At Baylor 2020 and 2022. at Tech in 2021.
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At Baylor 2020 and 2022. at Tech in 2021.
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At least it's in Ruston (from what I'm hearing).
2020? I'll believe we're playing them when I see it on the 2020-22 schedule posters.
2-for-1 is about as good as we can hope for I guess. Just thankful its not a away-and-done.
Who will HD pull for???
2020 is a long ways away. I wouldn't get my hopes up just yet. We still haven't played Miss State at home as promised and we all know what happend to the BYU game.
I like the part about having our home game in the middle. It would be even better to have it first, but I understand why Baylor would not do that. Hope they don't have a "side agreement" to play the game in Shreveport.Quote:
Originally Posted by zharkins
Is this the first contract by our new AD or just the first one that one our BBB readers have discovered and broken?;)
If Miss St in Ruston does not happen it will be because they buy it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSDAWG
We had a bird in the hand with the BYU game in Ruston, but Dykes was more worried about his future than getting us a good game in Ruston. He is the one who nixed the BYU game.
We put these games off way into the future and they rarely seem to come to fruition. Allowing Miss State to buy it out defeats the purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
It's too early to judge. It's good that we got a home game against Baylor, but we don't know what we sacrificed yet. We have no idea what the financial details are. Typically, 2-for-1s are bad deals. We'll have to wait and see with this one. Remember, the JUCO scheduled a home-and-home with Baylor, not a 2-for-1.Quote:
Originally Posted by zharkins
What happened to the BYU game? The last LaTechSports announced was that the BYU home-and-home was postponed to later dates TBD. Nothing since.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSDAWG
McClelland's first scheduling move was to push back the 2014 return game to UNLV to the 2020 season.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
McClelland's second scheduling move was the Southern game, which we are reportedly paying SU almost 2.5x the guarantee we paid NWST.
I think this would be his third scheduling move.
Yes on the first part. We never got the home games from our 2-for-1 deals with Clemson or Texas A&M.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSDAWG
However, there's nothing we can do if Mississippi State wants to buy out of the game in Ruston. They pay the buyout money from the contract (likely ~$300K) if they don't want to play in Ruston, and that's it. Remember BVDV pissed off Mississippi State a few years ago when we bought out of a game at the last minute leaving MSST in a scheduling bind.
Exactly!! If NLULM can get a home and home, then we have to be able to. I see it as a fail no matter if it actually happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
According to JFord, We get $500,000 for the third game.
Thanks Kim!
https://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/...ing-philosophy
It's a pay-day game in 2020 ($500k), then 1-for-1 in 2021/2022
This will be a great game for a Duck Commander/Camo promotion.
Ugh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool Hand Clyde
I guess we can invite Phil for his second visit to campus since the 1960s or whatever.
Most of us knew the BYU series would never happen. BYU needed us and Dykes said no.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSDAWG
That was BVDV talking for LaTechSports.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
I said his first contract. I've acknowledged several times that Southern was his 1st contract. The "wink" emoticon was a give away that THE BBB beat LaTechSports and other Tech "news" sources to the punch.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Where were these sources in October when the contract was signed?Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
It is interesting that the ESPN story notes that ESPN actually filed a public records request to get the info and the contract was signed back in October. I wonder if the series had been in the works or if TMc came in with guns blazing to set up big opponents at the Joe. It also begs the question of what else we may have set up that hasn't been announced yet.
I got a text from a friend who got the Brett McMurphy tweet. JFord posted it on his site 10 minutes before I posted it here. I'm guessing he has known about it for a while and was asked not to say anything. THE BBB rarely, if ever, beats JFord to the punch....unless it actually involves punching.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
I want to say that he was also working on getting a deal done with an SEC team for a home-and-home series.Quote:
Originally Posted by zharkins
10 year home & home series with northeast beginning in 2016.
Inn Ell Yoo! Woo woo woo!
Oh gosh! Did I really spell "payed" like that? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
Here's what really ticks me off about the BYU deal... If you really cancelled the series, just tell us! Don't tell us that you postponed it to a later date TBD and then not follow up on it.
eg. the 2-for-1 with Cal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Played games in 97 and 07, and then it just disappeared.
Another important thing that we don't know: How does McClelland plan on completing those 2020-22 schedules? If we still need two money games per year to balance the budget, that means three SEC/Big 12 opponents on those schedules. Given the drastic decline in contributions and sponsorship revenue in McClelland's first year and the State's slashing of higher ed funding, I'm not expecting our AD to schedule less than two money games per year any time soon.
http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.6080...659955&pid=1.7Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Yes. Back in August, McClelland told the Shreveport media that he was working on a home-and-home contract with an SEC school.Quote:
Originally Posted by TechAlum05
If they're all SEC fans, does that count?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/attac...5&d=1422662072
Keep in mind that single money games are now going for about $1.2 million and climbing.Quote:
Originally Posted by GermDawg
It looks like this deal is probably good for our fans, but we'll have to wait and see how McClelland (if he's still our AD in the 2020s) will make our budget work with our schedules.
In 2020, we now have two road games scheduled (at UNLV and at Baylor) with only a $500K guarantee. That leaves one money game to be scheduled for a HUGE payout (see Bama) and likely one FCS home game to meet the NCAA requirement of at least five home games.
In 2021 and 2022, we'll likely need two money games each year in addition to each of the Baylor games. In 2022, that likely means three road games at SEC/Big 12 opponents. Odds McClelland is still our AD in 2022?
This is fantastic. It's a home run for LA Tech. We get paid 500K for the first game, and get a home game next.Quote:
Originally Posted by GermDawg
Playing in Waco is not a bad deal for LA Tech fans either. Waco is an easy 4-hour car drive for most fans coming over from Louisiana. And even closer for those of us LA Tech fans already living in Texas. We should be able to draw a very good LA Tech crowd to Mclane Stadium. This could really help our Texas recruiting as well.
So you think that our 31 year-old AD may be worth something?Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
LA Tech should be able to MAKE big money with Baylor coming to Ruston in 2021. We'll probably have to bring in some temporary stands, etc.... to take the numbers up to 35K+.......but that HOME game could be worth between $1.2 and $1.5M, depending on what we charge ($45 or $50) per ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
That's funny. Or just sad. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by jellidawg
Can we at least agree that T-Mac will have to do MORE than schedule just one football series to prove he's "worth something" as a Div 1 AD?
I was just joshing you. I agree that scheduling this one series is not worthy of a raise.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
For this reason and this alone, I am calling fail. If nlulm can get a home and home, then we can. If we can't, we have piss poor negotiators.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Buffalo just finished two home-and-homes (not 2-for-1s) with Baylor:Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
- 2007 at Buffalo and 2010 at Baylor
- 2013 at Baylor and 2014 at Buffalo
a body bag game is a body bag game is a body bag game. none of us are talking about the possibility of winning, just how much we will make
Further proof that we are considered junior high by our peers. No one takes us seriously. Until we warrant and demand it, I expect the same I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Apples and oranges. I would argue that scheduling Baylor in football today is much more difficult to do than when NLU first scheduled them back in 2008 or '09. Baylor has come a long way in the last 6 or 7 years. The Bears are a consistent Top 10 football program now, with back to back Big XII football championships now. That wasn't the case back when NLU scheduled 'em. No way this is a "fail", unless you're just looking for something to bitch about.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
See my previous posts. Apples and oranges. You guys have got to quit being so myopic. This is 2015, not 2007. Also, from a recruiting perspective, scheduling Baylor in football makes a lot more sense for LA Tech than it does for Buffalo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
You posted it on our public forum. The one than all the peon posters see. Those of us who've kissed the ring knew about this series weeks ago, but didn't need to pull an announcement out of a body orifice just to win the contest that only exists for those who want to be like us. Would you like to be in the club? It will cost you MUCH more than you pay to get second hand info on BTB.:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by zharkins
So you think there is a chance?Quote:
Originally Posted by counselingdawg
BYU didn't make the cut to get into the Big XII, which is why we aren't playing them. We got the home and home with Baylor as we will have with all of our conference opponents starting in 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
They beat us out of a minimum $250,000 dollars...
Not a fan of 2 for 1's with anyone.
Puts a HUGE hole in the budget those 3 years
This^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
And, if the P5 are so in need of quality opponents going forward, shouldn't we be in the driver's seat to demand a home and home with a massive buyout?
wish Tech could get a series w/ TCU scheduled
If a tree falls in the woods..... :icon_razz:Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
Do you think Baylor will generate the sale of more tickets than the Ms State game? It better because that Ms State showing was not good and if history repeats itself we are in for a big hit financially.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
This is not a 2 for 1... it's a pay day and a 1 for 1Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
You're playing semantics. It's a 2-for-1 with a small payout.Quote:
Originally Posted by GermDawg
You must be one of those who has forgotten why it was not a good showing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Exes&Ohs
- hurricane
- Dooley refused to sell tickets at an affordable price.
So I m a peon is what you are saying? What section do you sit in?Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
It's called sarcasm. The laughing emoticon is the tell all. I'm not difficult to find though. Send me a PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleDDawg
No it's actually 2 contracts, a one and done and a 1-for-1. Let's look at it from another angle,Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Baylor called wanting a one-and-done money game, for X amount of dollars (above 500k).
McClelland said, well do a one-and-done for 500k and a separate 1-for-1 deal starting at Tech the year after the one-and-done.
IMO that's a great deal he worked for us, if we take Baylor to the wire(or beat them) they still have to come play in Ruston or pay big $$$ to cancel the entire 1-for-1 contract.
No way! I want this discussion public so that all the "peons" can participate.
Have you seen my avatar?Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleDDawg
Not to argue but you are suggesting $45 - $50 tickets. What was Dooleys unaffordable price?Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
I think you can answer that question. What's your point?
It's called a 2-for-1. It's a 3-game package deal. That's how they are done. Just like our Mississippi State 2-for-1 deal was done with a small payout for one of the games.Quote:
Originally Posted by GermDawg
McClelland commented on an series that hasn't even been announced by Tech or Baylor???
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Exes&Ohs
I wonder what the buy-out level is?
With the guarantee being only $500k - my guess is less than $300k
My guess is we play one game in Waco and the other two are bought out for less than the $500k
Pretty much what happened with the Clemson 2 for 1 deal wasn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
And the Texas A&M 2-for-1.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
Its a frickin shell game. We give them a discount on the first and they buyout the promise of a homegame. Gimme a break. I won't be excited until I'm in the Joe staring at Green and Gold Baptist.
Wasn't the last 2 for 1 with A&M the one with the series beginning in Shreveport?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Right on point -Quote:
Originally Posted by KSDAWG
Not even a half-way decent deal unless ALL the games are played
Odds are we play a ONE off at an A-5 school for less than $700k
Can a "no buyout" clause be put in the contract?
The last Texas A&M 2-for-1 started in College Station in 2006. A&M was supposed to play the one in Shreveport in 2009, but A&M bought out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
I would prefer a home and home with SMU and Houston. No money exchanged just football. I love the prospect of having Baylor here but at what cost and in what kinda bind are we putting ourselves in on blind guarantees that deep down we know won't happen?
What are the details of the Series that began in Shreveport?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
No, that was a hypothetical conversation between Baylor/McClelland, man this offseason is going to be rough, I thought with the good showing in FB, BB faring well, and SEZ completion; there'd be a little relief to the negativity but suddenly McClelland has a target on his back...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Most of the one's who KNOW what's going on have been underwhelmed at best with his management style...Quote:
Originally Posted by GermDawg
Still a lot of the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing coming out of that department
He is entering his second year, so I will be interested to see where we stand come this time next year
My biggest issue is on the academic side of the equation with the support staff - especially after the near bowl fiasco
Even though the school hasn't released it, we lost our best guy to Georgia Southern for a mere $20k increase and it appears we are going CHEAP again and double task load on the existing skeleton staff...
So call it negative or whatever but it is what it is...
We paid Texas A&M $200K to come to Shreveport in 2012, and they will pay us $200K to go to College Station in 2016.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
I'm not targeting McClelland. I already said this is probably good for our fans, but I'm withholding judgment because it's too early to tell exactly how this deal will work out. All I'm doing is adding some info we do know and stating what we don't know to put some perspective on the situation so everyone can decide for themselves. You decided to take the simple info I posted about Buffalo to start an argument with semantics.Quote:
Originally Posted by GermDawg
OK so start a thread on those issues, or general Ath. Dept. concerns, the activity of shooting down everything he does because of issues in other areas comes off as petty and makes it seem like a personal vendetta. This isn't a bad deal, and to poo-poo it because he's not performing well in other areas does no one any good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
Is it a good deal?
Looks great from a distance but looks more like a butter-face to me when you get up close
Personally I feel we got WELL below market for our services and as much as I wanted Southern here, it appears we grossly overpaid for that game...
You are a numbers guy - do the ciphering and convince me otherwise
Maybe some are but the people I am talking to are looking forward to not being invited back to Baylor for another 25 years after we kick that ***!! We are already giving our boss heck about this game. Honestly, it is a win win situation for them. Art Briles will be gone (one way or another) before this game arrives.Quote:
Originally Posted by counselingdawg
Hmmm.... So we hire a 31 yr. old AD on the cheap and wonder why he can't change the culture of mediocrity at LA Tech/La Tech that has existed for a long time. Talk about expectations! Hell, I remember threads where we were ecstatic because Dooley actually used a power washer on the facilities. Now we are talking to a Top 10 team about a series......The left hand hasn't given a damn about the right hand since our current AD was in grade school. Red dot away!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
It could, but it won't be signed. No reason for any school with money to sign something that money can't get them out of. I would love to see contracts with outrageous buyouts. I would love to see coaching contracts that require home games from schools that hire our coaches away. I would love to just see contracts across the board that have to be honored. Will never happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by T1
Then he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
I know a guy who could straighten out the academics. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
Yep!Quote:
Originally Posted by boxerdog
I know an English teach who can straighten out your Longfellow.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxerdog
Not sure to whom you are referring, but they went the "gal" route.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxerdog
I would assume it is a female!Quote:
Originally Posted by Soonerdawg
Really? Who is she?Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick
She was AD for Neosho County Community College, Amber Burdge. Info found here:Quote:
Originally Posted by boxerdog
http://www.chanute.com/sports/articl....html?mode=jqm
I refuse to get excited about a home game with a decent ooc until I am parking my truck and walking up to the gate.
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick
There's your problem right there, you should be parking your truck, and tailgating for a few hours then walking up to the gate.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by GermDawg