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I'm a gun owner, but not a gun enthusiast. I'm generally supportive of 2nd Amendment rights, but I'm deeply concerned about what seems to be the increasing frequency of horrific gun violence in the US.
So what's the answer? How do we, as a society, get a handle on the senseless shootings while preserving the rights of citizens to bear arms?
I'm asking this in earnest. Please respond without name-calling (eg. libtards, gun-nuts, teabaggers, etc).
It seems to me that more and more of the citizens of this country are embracing evil.
I don't have the actual numbers to back up my guess, but I think it just seems like it's happening more because of social media. 10 years ago, events like these would be a minor blip on the 5:00 evening news.
I think I found the numbers: "Murders committed with a gun dropped 39 percent to 11,101 in 2011, from a high of 18,253 in 1993, according to the report. Other crimes committed with guns were down even more sharply — from 1.53 million in 1993 to 467,300 in 2011, a drop of 70 percent, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics."Quote:
Originally Posted by ITdrummer
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...ort-finds?lite
I think it's a multi level problem but most of it boils down to the loss of respect for human life. When I'd get my a$$ kicked as a youngun, it usually ended and was over with. Most times we'd shake hands and go about our business. Now kids want to shoot you for any perceived infraction. The solution to this problem is be at least equally armed if not more so. Notice most of the gun violence is in gun free zones with the exception of Chicago and other large slums.
This chart shows it is increasing, but still not at 1993 levels:
http://www.bloomberg.com/image/icucI_sYACFM.jpg
Yep. We're just more acutely aware of each event like this due to social media prevalence. Also, I would submit that people so inclined to commit such heinous acts as the one in Virginia today know that social media gives them a platform to make their point, whatever it may be.Quote:
Originally Posted by T1
To me, events like the one today just reek of pure selfishness and lack of regard for other people and human life in general. Think back to the kid that shot up the college party. I'm sure there are more just like it I'm not thinking of right now, but the point is, these types of unfathomable acts are committed by people who haven't gotten their way in life and can't reconcile that with it perhaps being, at least partly, their own fault. They perceive that it's always someone else that's responsible for the bad things happening to them. Call it a symptom of a society that gives out participation awards and wants everyone treated like a special f'ing snowflake so no one's feelings get hurt.
When people aren't conditioned to getting their feelings hurt and not getting their way in life, things like today happen. Just my 1/50th of a dollar.
It is violence...period. Labeling it "gun" violence implies the act of violence would not occur if the person had not had a gun. That may be the case in certain situations, but most nut jobs will find a way to act out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
No solutions. It is the world we live in.
That's a good point. But a bat or even a knife is less likely kill you. Most other lethal weapons require the assailant to be in the victim's immediate proximity. This proximity can allow a victim to dodge or block or run or otherwise defend their person.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
So yes, violent people are going to do violent things. But a ranged weapon, especially one as powerful & accurate as a modern firearm, makes a violent person substantially more likely to KILL you.
That may prove to be the case. But I'm not there yet.Quote:
No solutions. It is the world we live in.
Did this guy actually commit a PC "hate crime"? Is this why Obama and his minions are quiet right now about this one? Yes I know that all crime is a hate crime. And will we actually see more of this as Obama would love nothing more then to use an all out race war as an excuse for a 3rd , 4th and 5th term
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNXavo4UYAAo6tC.jpg
KILLER WANTED 'RACE WAR'
Danggit Tyler. Could you NOT do that, just once?
Remember that the point of the 2nd is not so I can own a gun, specifically, but to prevent a tyrannical government (in part at least). That must be considered.
Also, in general we have more gun deaths for the same reason we have more automobile deaths: there are more guns and more cars than there used to be, and there are more of them here than in most other countries.
TWSSQuote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
Well played.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
The only reason it was added.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
If we could only do away with the 2nd amendment...things would be okay - says CNN and NBC.
I disagree one on one. A person can produce a knife, move 20 feet, and kill you in less time than it takes to draw a gun. A gun is a tool that when misused can kill more and faster. Although, if a person slams a car into a large crowd, it would likely kill more than one could with most firearms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
This is somewhat misleading when you are talking about gun violence. About half of gun related deaths (15k or so) are suicides and your previous post shows the number of murders to be in the 11k range.Quote:
Originally Posted by T1
So many factors at play.
People not educated in handling firearms are handling firearms. Economic troubles lead to acts of desperation and guns are accessible even to the impoverished. People feel they aren't being heard and feel "forced" to make themselves heard. Crime creates buzz and ratings, so it will be reported.
That is probably a very shallow observation and not a great contribution to the discussion, but those are just my thoughts. Seems to be a perfect storm of conditions leading to a crazy, violent time.
Now here is violence and a hate crime in Maine not being talked about in the media or by Nobama. They are refusing to name them as Muslim nor Somolia as their country of origin.
SLAIN CHRISTIAN'S HEAD ALLEGEDLY BASHED BY MUSLIM 'REFUGEES' in Maine.
Blood-splattered Bible found lying next to victim
Published: 1 day ago
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/slain-chr...VL4vkyteTC1.99
http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/slain-chr...slim-refugees/
I absolutely agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Built4Speed
Simply put, the pussification of this country is ruining it.
That's a good point. But the way the Democrats talk, I was still expecting to see a hockey stick graph of gun violence going way up recently and that's just not happening. All firearm deaths (including suicide) has been stable since the beginning of the graph in 1979. I wish I could find a graph covering the past 200 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by DelhiDawg
The liberals, democrats, and muslims are shameless in their "jumping on" a violent act and using it to promote their cause. They are the worst kind of human beings.Quote:
Originally Posted by T1
Please stop trying to derail the thread. You're doing it on purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
You won't learn this from watching CNN or MSNBC, but if this guy had been checked properly according to the current laws he would not have gotten a gun (or ammo). Reckon why they used a different set of rules when approving him?
Point taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by RhythmDawg
You lead me to another thought ...
We seem to have accepted that traffic fatalities are an unfortunate side effect of a society dependent on automobiles, but that the benefits outweigh the costs. Should this also be our attitude regarding firearms?
maddawg hinted at this above, but I still don't think its the right position for either cars or guns.
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Originally Posted by Champ967
Morality can't be legislated. Making sure somebody takes their "happy pills" can't be legislated.
Another interesting chart showing that homicides do not decrease once guns are taken away. Look at the big spike after guns were banned!
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1QwAfQTAzo...0,+5.45+PM.png
No, but the effects of immorality can be managed, minimized, & mitigated.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
This may even be an operational definition of law & justice.
As I stated above, there are laws in place that are not being observed for certain individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
Not without the government and people also accepting that every "bad" -ism or -ist will be necessary to control the population to "stop" the "horror and violence."Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/27/...ter-arguments/
As I was typing this I got a text from my brother at Mississippi State - active shooter on campus, he's locked in a classroom. Prayers please!
Shooter in custody now
possibly multiple shooters though.Quote:
Originally Posted by rmc020
Just saw that the all clear was issued. Classes resuming at 2 PM, no reports of any injuries.
Apparently there are a few conflicting reports. Hopefully all is well though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Built4Speed
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Originally Posted by Blue Dawg's Brother
I read about Switzerland's gun situation years ago and never checked to see if the statements were true.
They definitely present a different perspective on the effects of gun training and gun ownership by the populace, and this from a country that is historically neutral as a military power.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/switzerland.asp
I'd like to see the percentage of gun-related deaths in the inner cities versus the rest of the country. I did some bing-ing and couldn't find it.
Along those lines, it would be interesting to see the numbers comitted by those using a legally held and registered firearm versus non-registered firearms.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJDAWG
That's because "they" don't want you to find it. The PC jig would be up.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJDAWG
Simply put, I think it is because our society has become so PC that the real problems of society can't even be discussed because if you try you are ridiculed and demonized. When you can't honestly even state the real problems, they sure as hell can't be solved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
Hammer.....meet nail head.Quote:
Originally Posted by stodgdog
What does that mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Hit the nail on the head, sorry, trying to be clever. Failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by stodgdog
Got it. I'm slow tonight. Past my bedtime. Friday nights aren't what they used to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Another "hate crime" that will get little attraction by the liberal double standard press or Obama and his dems.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNkndnZWwAAlvaa.jpg
GUNNED DOWN AT GAS STATION...
TX deputy killed 'execution-style' while fueling patrol car...
When Goforth fell to the ground, the gunman stood over him and shot him some more, authorities said. He died at the scene.
"He was literally gunned down in what appears to be an unprovoked, execution-style killing," Hickman said. "I have been in law enforcement for 45 years, I have never seen anything this cold-blooded."
You know what's wrong with the world todayQuote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
People done gone and put their Bible's away
They're living by the law of the jungle not the law of the land
The Good Book says it so I know it's the truth
An eye for and eye and a tooth for a tooth
You better watch where you go and remember where you been
That's the way I see it I'm a Simple Man
Yes one just might be or worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
Psalm 53:1
The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God,”
They are corrupt, and have committed abominable injustice;
There is no one who does good.
Proverbs 28:5
Evil men do not understand justice, But those who seek the Lord understand all things.
All Lives Matter!!! And all crime is a "hate crime". Again where are the hypocrites Obama, Jessie Jackson, Rev Sharpton and the DEMS on this "hate crime".Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Pictured: Serial criminal charged with capital murder after 'executing Houston cop in gas station ambush' as sheriff blames 'out of control' Black Lives Matter movement for his death
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...0889590139.jpg
- Darren Goforth, 47, was gunned down from behind at Chevron station
- Killer approached him from behind, said nothing, and shot him dead
- Police say the man kept firing into Goforth's body after he fell
- Shannon J Miles was arrested by Harris County Deputies on Friday night
- He is being held in Harris County Jail and is facing capital murder charges
- SHARE PICTURE
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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...0889573044.jpg
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Killed: Darren Goforth, 47, was gunned down from behind as he filled his patrol car with gas in Houston, Texas, Friday night. Shannon J Miles (right) was arrested and is now facing capital murder charges
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...0859418492.jpg
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Shot from behind: Goforth, right, was killed at a Chevron station on the outskirts of Houston. He was a married and had two children
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3kGFHiKia
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3215006/Sheriffs-deputy-fatally-shot-Houston-pumping-gas.html
TT -- please stop hijacking the thread.
You have a dozen other threads on which to post your inflammatory articles.
You know he can't help himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
Tough question without an easy solution. Bring back the duel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967