Is Tech considering opening a law school in Shreveport? How about a school of podiatry or school of optometry?
We should be increasing our presence in Shreveport if we ever hope to take over LSUS.
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Is Tech considering opening a law school in Shreveport? How about a school of podiatry or school of optometry?
We should be increasing our presence in Shreveport if we ever hope to take over LSUS.
We will never be allowed to do anything of the sort.
Something like that would take a LOT of money. It would be awesome, but not sure it's what we need to focus on right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by counselingdawg
Louisiana Tech School of Optometry in Shreveport was proposed as part of the merger deal a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by counselingdawg
The next programs I would like to see Tech add are aerospace engineering and petroleum engineering. It wouldn't take much to add either program because we already offer all of the core classes, and with our increasing enrollment, we should have no trouble getting enough students to enroll. I know we lose top students in our region to other schools because we don't offer those two degrees.
Didn't we purchase an old Christus building in Shreveport?
No - There were rumors that we were going to, but it never happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Pet. Engineering :thumbsdown: we had it and rightfully got rid of it; it's a pigeonhole engineering degree, a ChemE or MechE get the same job and when oil/gas drops have more prospects. ULL has it and the connections to O&G and don't think we would compete very well with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
I can agree with aerospace, especially with our Aviation department.
We do have a location (other than Barksdale) in SBC.
http://coes.latech.edu/louisiana-tec...r/location.php
+ Air Force ROTC and aviation management. Students from Louisiana who major in aerospace engineering get in-state tuition at out-of-state colleges because no school in Louisiana offers it. We lose a lot of top students each year because of that. The curriculum is pretty similar to mechanical engineering, and ME is by far Tech's most popular engineering program. Aren't we a center of excellence in unmanned aircraft systems or something like that? It'd also be the easiest to get approval for because of Louisiana's "no duplication" policy. There would probably be a lot of research grant opportunities that would come with an aerospace program.Quote:
Originally Posted by GermDawg
Aerospace engineering is very much like petroleum engineering in that it is a niche. Engineering itself is cyclical enough but petroleum and aeorspace engineers don't have the versatility that mechanical and chemical engineers have.
Same with biomedical, nanosystems, and cyber. So what? The point is Tech is trying to grow enrollment, but Tech is losing top students in our region to other schools because we don't offer those engineering programs. Those "niche" degrees are still probably better than 95% of the degrees that Tech offers. I'm pretty sure aerospace would offer big research grant opportunities. I think it's in Tech's best interest to be the all-encompassing engineering school in the Louisiana-Arkansas-Mississippi-East Texas region. Programs like podiatry and optometry aren't really good fits for Tech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
I agree that we should offer the petroleum and aerospace programs if there is a big enough demand. We had petroleum engineering when I was there but it was slowly dying for lack of students. I thought they added aerospace after I left, but I am not sure. Obviously we are not losing a lot of students or they wouldn't have dropped the program(s). Do we still offer agricultural engineering?
During one of the 2003 gubernatorial debates the question was posed if Louisiana should have a public law school in north Louisiana. BOTH Jindal and Blanco giggled (literally giggled) and pretty much said we have plenty of law schools for Louisiana down here. If everything north of Opelousas was flattened by an asteroid Baton Rouge wouldn't notice for at least a week. I don't see a law school happening anytime soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by counselingdawg
Need to get the N. Louisiana delegation on board to support it, they've made lots of things happen when unified. As much as S. Louisiana gets the publicity they're severely fractured and can't agree so lots of stuff is mired in the politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
But all of the N. La. politicians are LSU Wannabees. I sometimes wondered about former State Senator Bill Jones, but don't really know. He was a classmate of mine. Of course his dad and brother were both LSU grads. I assume he also went to law school at LSU. I never really heard much from or about him after graduation. I do remember him campaigning at a Tech football game, though.
He was named one of our distinguished alum of the year in 2011. He only served 1 term as senator. Word was he got cross ways with a person who is all about LaTech and was not re-elected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
I think if we ever wanted to have a Tech Law school, we'd need to have a sizable amount of private funding before we went public with it.
I also think it should be in Shreveport - maybe the old Federal Courthouse Louisiana College was trying to use.
This is where we should be spending our money. Not on upgrading football stadiums and coaches pay.
Thanks for your input Dan. You were great for athletics.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by counselingdawg
A law school would be nice but with Lousiana Law being so different it wouldn't attract many, if any, out of state students. A med school would be much more prestigious. However, getting one would be impossible.
It seems that podiatry or optometry would be far more attainable than medicine.
Podiatry and optometry both seem bush league. Something that any local JUCO could offer. Nursing is more prestiguous than either. Too bad we can't get the BS degree for our program.
But they can't. If Tech students want to study optometry they have to go a good ways off to do it (Birmingham or Nashville). I don't know as much about podiatry, but these are professional degrees that will see increased patient loads as you old boomers start to fall apart. 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
This old boomer has never seen a podiatrist and I started wearing glasses long before I was old. Instead of podiatry why not offer a degree that physician's assistants get. I believe it is sort of like a masters in nursing. Maybe even more advanced. I have seen my family doctor's PA and she was very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Lack of a law school and medical school are the only things that makes us different from SEC schools.
The issue with Law and Medicine is the same with PA school...LSU offers them. Medicine and PA, along with PT and OT are offered less than an hour from Tech's main campus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
If we want a professional school, we'll have to think outside the box.
Here are the current (according to Wikipedia) optometry schools:
There are 23 American educational institutions offering the Doctor of Optometry degree. However, many new schools are currently preparing new programs.[44]And here are the podiatry schools:
- AL: University of Alabama at Birmingham [45]
- AZ: Midwestern University Arizona College of Optometry Glendale, Arizona
- CA: University of California, Berkeley [48]
- CA: Southern California College of Optometry [49]
- CA: Western University of Health Sciences [46]
- FL: Nova Southeastern University [50]
- IL: Illinois College of Optometry [51]
- IL: Chicago College of Optometry[47]
- IN: Indiana University [52]
- KY: University of Pikeville - Kentucky College of Optometry[48]
- MA: New England College of Optometry [53]
- MA: Massachusetts College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences [54]
- MI: Michigan College of Optometry at Ferris State University [55]
- MO: University of Missouri at St. Louis [49]
- NY: State University of New York in New York City [56]
- OH: The Ohio State University [57]
- OK: Northeastern State University [50]
- OR: Pacific University in Portland, Oregon [58]
- PA: Pennsylvania College of Optometry [51]
- PR: Interamerican University of Puerto Rico, School of Optometry [59]
- TN: Southern College of Optometry [60]
- TX: University of Houston [61]
- TX: University of the Incarnate Word [62]
Arizona School of Podiatric Medicine Midwestern University Glendale, Arizona 2004 [1]
Barry University School of Podiatric Medicine Barry University Miami Shores, Florida 1985 [2]
California School of Podiatric Medicine Samuel Merritt University[a] Oakland, California 1914 [3]
Des Moines University College of Podiatric Medicine and Surgery Des Moines University Des Moines, Iowa 1980 [4]
Kent State University College of Podiatric Medicine Kent State University[b] Independence, Ohio 1916 [5]
New York College of Podiatric Medicine independent New York City 1911 [6]
Temple University School of Podiatric Medicine Temple University[c] Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 1963 [7]
Western University College of Podiatric Medicine Western University of Health Sciences Pomona, California 2009 [8]
Dr. William M. Scholl College of Podiatric Medicine Rosalind Franklin University[d] North Chicago, Illinois 1912 [9]
By less than one hour I guess you mean Shreveport. The only way Tech could get a Law or Medical School would be to have all of the legislators from Alex northward to be Tech graduates-backers. Of course any Louisiana legislator who is a lawyer is probably an LSU Law School graduate (I guess there are a few Tulane graduates but for us they wouldn't be much help either). Another problem is that all, I'm not even sure the majority, of Tech graduates are Tech backers.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I vote for the School of Optometry.
Over the foot doctors. Hey, I know, lets get a college for chiropractors. Where is the nearest one of those. There is one near by here in Pasadena (Texas that is).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tech77
Bush league is a bit too harsh, but I agree neither are real doctors. And neither carries much prestige, nor near the clout of med or law schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
But most importantly, neither of those professional schools really fit Tech's mission or vision, and neither would be able to be offered in Ruston.
Tech needs more doctoral degrees offered, more doctoral degrees granted, and more research funding to reach the top SREB and Carnegie classifications.
Professional degrees like Podiatry and Optometry do not count as doctoral degrees by those institutions, and thus wouldn't do much to advance Tech's standing in the world.
I agree whole heartedly with you about the doctoral degrees, Dawg06. Georgia Tech doen't have medical or law schools (Texas Tech does but it's way up there in the panhandle by itself and they probably need them there) and it's still a prestigious school.
We'll, I think Tech granting "real doctor" degrees is highly unlikely. Graduating high earning professionals seems like a good plan.
Hey, what about a Financial Planning degree ala Texas Tech. There will be a HUGE need for planners as old brokers are retiring.
D06, do you mean "real doctor" degrees or PhDs?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
We need a lot more PhDs. I think a big benefit would be more collaboration with high tech industries. We've got some of this already. But we need a lot more.
Yes. I'm talking PhDs or equivalent. That's what Tech needs to move up in the world. Professional degrees don't help us meet our ultimate goals (unless we are talking MD or JD, neither of which have a chance of happening).Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
New programs get approved by the State of Louisiana when:
1. Startup costs are slim to none.
2. There is workforce demand.
3. There would be no duplication (unless you are LSU).
Those professional programs mentioned would have astronomical startup costs that our state would in no way approve or fund in the higher ed environment we've been living in for the past decade, and that's not changing in the foreseeable future. Even though there may not be duplication for some of those professional programs in Louisiana, I don't think there is workforce demand for them.
Carnegie Doctoral Universities: Includes institutions that awarded at least 20 research/scholarship doctoral degrees during the update year (this does not include professional practice doctoral-level degrees, such as the JD, MD, PharmD, DPT, etc.).
SREB Four-Year 1: Institutions awarding at least 100 doctoral degrees that are distributed among at least 10 CIP categories (2-digit classification) with no more than 50 percent in any one category.
Louisiana Tech Doctoral DegreesLouisiana Tech Doctoral CIP 2-Digit Classifications
- Doctor of Philosophy in Computational Analysis and Modeling (119999)
- Doctor of Education in Educational Leadership (130401)
- Doctor of Philosophy in Engineering (140101)
- Doctor of Philosophy in Biomedical Engineering (140501)
- Doctor of Philosophy in Molecular Science and Nanotechnology (300101)
- Doctor of Philosophy in Counseling Psychology (422803)
- Doctor of Philosophy in Industrial/Organizational Psychology (422804)
- Doctor of Audiology (510202)
- Doctor of Business Administration (520201)
Optometry and podiatry both have a CIP classification of 51, the same classification as the audiology doctorate Tech already offers.
- 11
- 13
- 14
- 30
- 42
- 51
- 52
Tech needs to add 3 doctoral degrees that don't fall under those 7 classifications we already offer.
In the meantime, Tech needs to add undergraduate degrees in aerospace engineering and petroleum engineering. :)
Do we need to add more programs or graduate more PhDs? I could see specializing in the Engineerings - lots of places have PhD:EE, ME, CE, etc. I think we also need to double down on Materials Science and Nanotech PhDs. The current PhD MSNT isn't fantastic (though still good) and its geared more towards biologists.
Increasing the raw number of PhDs awarded is a function of our ability to attract and cultivate top talent. It feeds back into the reputation of the university and also the surrounding area if those graduates stay and build high-tech companies in Ruston. Not to mention it bumps us up the list in any ranking you pick.
I think AAU membership should be at the top of every list and memo in Wyly. I don't think we'll ever really achieve it but we need to be attacking that goal. To do that we need to significantly increase our research effects. PhDs are a big part of that.
We need both. We need to at least double our PhDs granted and add at least 3 more doctoral degrees from different CIP categories. But we can't have more than 50% of our doctoral degrees granted in engineering. At commencement Dr. Guice said that Tech granted over 50 doctoral degrees this year, our most ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
Forget AAU. AAU doesn't have achievement benchmarks to gain admittance. It's just a snobby club.
Fantastic! Keep climbing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
But if you're gonna be in a snobby club, thats the one to be in ;)
I really will keep harping on local high tech companies. That is absolutely key imo. I think we're on the right path.
It looks like these are our options of CIP classifications to add PhDs to count toward improving our SREB classification.
15 Engineering Technologies and Engineering-Related Fields (Nanotechnology?)
26 Biological and Biomedical Sciences (Biotechnology?)
27 Mathematics and Statistics (Applied Mathematics?)
40 Physical Sciences (Materials Sciences?)
45 Social Sciences (Economics?)
This sounds like a great wish list. I'd vote for these.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
I know it's not all about finding jobs, but, in 2014, 10-year projected job growth for podiatry was 14%, optometry was 27%, and financial planning was 30%. In contrast, 5.1% of PhD's in engineering had academic jobs lined up at the time of graduation (2011). It's slightly better for physical sciences at 9.1%. Overall, less than 20% of PhD's in ALL FIELDS land academic positions. Sure, there are other things you can do with a PhD, but it seems odd that our funding and prestige numbers are tied to metrics that don't seem supported by the market.
Feels a lot like a bubble that's getting ready to burst.
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Unfortunately Louisiana can't keep college grads in state much less high school grads who have no other sources for career training.
The demographics are different up there, but this is the way it should be done in every state...
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/o...hope.html?_r=1
The problem when I graduated was that almost all of the jobs for chemical engineers were around New Orleans/Baton Rouge or Lake Charles unless you wanted to work in the stinking paper mills. I did not want to work in any of those places. My brother took a computer type for a geophysical job in Shreveport, but he knew the location was temporary and was transferred to Houston within six months. I know at least half of my chemical engineering 1969 classmates took jobs in Texas.
podiatrists have an extremely difficult curriculum that is as long as medical school. they are not physicians, but definitely upper case doctors.
There is not a law school in the state north of Baton Rouge. How do we know we can't get one in North Louisiana if we don't try.
PhD in Urban / Regional PlanningQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
PhD in Public Admin or DPA (public sector equivalent of DBA)
PhD in Philosophy and/or Religious Studies
PhD in Public History / Museum Studies / Historic Pres
I do not believe any of these programs are represented in Louisiana.
Interesting
http://www.thenewsstar.com/story/new...ool/417877001/
"Med school" is intentionally misleading, of course, as is the inaccurate implication that NLU has any jewels in their academic crown at all.
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The Louisiana Board of Regents today approved the application for licensure submitted by New York Institute of Technology to operate a College of Osteopathic Medicine at the University of Louisiana Monroe. NYIT is a private, not-for-profit institution of higher education with domestic campuses in New York (Manhattan and Old Westbury, Long Island) and Arkansas. NYIT and ULM have a nonbinding Memorandum of Understanding through which the two entities are exploring establishing a Monroe site of New York Institute of Technology College of Osteopathic Medicine (NYITCOM) on the ULM campus. More information will be released soon.
Osteopaths are considered every bit the equal of mds.Their medical schools are virtually the same as other medical schools. So while we come up with all the reasons we can't do anything they have outmaneuvered us.
Not really. This school will be competing with Caribbean med schools for students. The only students who will go there are ones who can't get in to real med schools or public DO schools. They will always carry a negative stigma with them as satellite DOs plus non-competitiveness for decent residencies as well as unbelievably huge debt loads of possibly over $700,000 per student unless their parents shell out $320,000 for them to be debt-free. With a primary care focus of the school really out of necessity due to lack of other options, those poor students will be paying on their debt until they retire, if they ever can. Only a fool would attend that school.Quote:
Originally Posted by counselingdawg
And it's not ULM's osteopathic school, and they won't be ULM students nor get ULM degrees. It's a private, remote satellite campus of a DO school headquartered in New York. ULM is simply serving as host. It will benefit the Monroe economy by bringing in 400 students to spend student loan money, but I'm not sure how it benefits ULM other than giving them the opportunity to spread fake news.
Yeah, doctors through history have felt the same way about chiropractors and optometrists. Seems some of them do quite well . . . . regardless where they got their degree.
Time will tell. If nlulm went for a Masters in Nursing, that would have major impact. UTSA is doing quite well with our Louisiana BSNs in getting their masters in Texas.
That was my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Yep. No thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Yeah. Also from that article, "The direct financial benefits for ULM will be minimal." Bruno is simply hoping that by spinning out fake news that ULM has a med school will somehow boost their enrollment and academic reputation. Any student who would choose ULM for that reason is too stupid to make it at Tech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
Then the NYITCOOM students will utilize ULM's resources like the fitness center, library, dining facilities, health unit, parking, admin's time and effort, etc. at the expense of actual ULM students.
They'll just have a handful of basic science professors in Monroe. Most of their lectures will be teleconferenced from the flagship campus in New York. Their limited staff in Monroe will pretty much just be a few assistants/coordinators/library helpers/financial aid reps/registrar. They only employ 51 people in Jonesboro, and that includes several standardized patients who'll work only a couple days per month.
http://ulm.edu/news/2017/630-ulm-mc-...a-program.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by counselingdawg
Ask, and ULM will pretend to give it to you.
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/story...pus/472965001/Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Quote:
he Christus Schumpert St. Mary Place campus soon will aid LSU Health Shreveport in furthering its mission of education, patient care and research.
Christus Health Northern Louisiana and LSU Health representatives announced Wednesday plans for the campus to open as an integrated health care campus.
I get that this article is about Bipsy, but cmon!
https://www.ktbs.com/news/the-arkla-...9c8197fc9.html
La Tech is in the title, for crying out loud.
Of course they were just making a play on the Ark - La - Tex. I did the same with my screen name here with a play on Houston Texan. But it would have helped to put hyphens between all three or none at all.
Of course. Just thought it was funny that in an article about North Louisiana tech sector, with a headline with La Tech in it, not a single mention of Louisiana Tech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
Glad we didn't purchase it. Apparently Christus will give it and $6.5 million to take it off their hands!Quote:
Originally Posted by sportdawg