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I know some will play the racist white nationalist card and other will tell us what good conservatives the RINOs are, but at this point Ted Cruz is the only one who is safe from Bannon's wrath. I love this and anybody who was SICK of the GOP before Trump should be as well...
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/08/politi...ces/index.html
Sic'em!!Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Kind of disturbing how you guys support deranged sociopaths.
You bitQuote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
How did Bannon’s guy lose when Sessions got what? 97%
I'm sure that's a snide remark, but just in case...as a registered Republican who has lived in Alabama since 2005, Moore was by far the worst candidate I've seen in my time in this state before all the scandals came out. Sessions ran unopposed in 2014. I could not vote for him yesterday, and if I were to make the same decision tomorrow knowing the result I would do the same thing again.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Moore may not hold the honor for long, though. Our incumbent state auditor may be the worst candidate next time he comes up for election.
Good stuff here: 6 Big Lessons From Roy Moore's Huge Alabama DisasterQuote:
Originally Posted by Ben Shapiro
Trump knew Moore was a bad candidate, he supported Strange in the republican runoff.
I read Breitbart regularly and I identify with a lot of Bannon's politics, but its gotten to the point where he has become a demagogue. The Roy Moore election was a total cluster and I was physically ill watching the returns last night. The only saving grace is that Jones will have to vote conservative to stay viable.
He supported two candidates...both lost. A sign of things to come?Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
I know that's what you hope for (bad things), but he is not a politician. Sometimes politics overrides reason, like when so many of our otherwise conservative voters in Louisiana voted for that idiot lying governor we have instead of a proven conservative with baggage.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
You know? I think maybe you don't know as much as you think. I have hoped for a long time that Trump would begin to govern in a way that would further conservatism. I have predicted that he will not. He has not and I see no sign that he will. Bannon and his ideology is cancerous and it will be detrimental for our nation. He bastardizes conservatism in order to push nationalistic populism. He needs to be excised like the tumor he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Whether he's a politician or not is of no consequence. He's got the highest political office in the land. What many love so much about him has been an incredible negative in terms of actually putting policy in place. If he relents, perhaps, there's a future for a conservative opposition party. Should he double down, the dems will own the public discourse.
He won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSDAWG
Jones is a sitting duck provided that the republicans don't rely on Bannon to pick his opponent the next go round. Hopefully this populist experiment will be over by that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Define conservatism.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
From where I sit, I see someone who is at least as conservative as Reagan was, If you say his trade policies are not conservative because they are not "free trade", I would counter that it is impossible to have truly free trade unless it exists on both sides of the trade. Being an American, I want the market to determine who wins and who losers, not the Government via massive trade deals that promote some American businesses and handcuff others.
Also, the decline of our manufacturing base under "free trade" deals has left us vulnerable militarily. I don't ever want to have to depend on a foreign entity to provide America with military hardware should we need it. Even International Harvester produced M1 Garands during WW2.
Conservatism = what then? People throw that word out like it's some sort of holy grail, but it seems to mean different things to different people. By attacking "nationalism" do you mean to imply that conservatism embodies "globalism"? Is it possible to be a "global" conservative?
Conservative traits: Strong national defense, limited government, low taxation, the belief in American exceptionalism, equal justice for all, free trade, free enterprise and equal opportunity. If the repubs of yesterday are the conservatives, I don't want anything to do with them. They talk a lot and pontificate about their ideas, but they do nothing. They quickly sell out all of those conservative values for favorable treatment by a press that hates them.
Gosh yes. Let's get back to the party of John McCain and Mitt Romney where conservatism was king.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
What JL seems to really want...losing to democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Very good posts!!!! That's one of the best post that I have ever read on this board. I don't believe johnny knows what a conservative or nationalist is, but, I am quite sure he's a closet democrat.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Trumpian GOP traits: Weak national defense by alienating allies and provoking hostile adversaries while sharing state secrets with Russia, government by tweet and threat, low taxation and massive debts, the belief that America is broken, equal justice for all except women, blacks, Hispanics and Muslims, free trade unless you can make something cheaper than us.
Quite the contrast. And apparently the new GOP trend is to select candidates that are truly terrible people to boot.
bullseye!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by guisslapp
Haha! Like a senatorial seat that hasn’t gone blue in 20 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
The losing is just beginning. We’re losing bigly...but as long as we’re zinging Anderson Cooper on Twitter, y’all feel like you’re winning.
But here’s Trump’s genius, literally nothing he could do would ever get his supporters to question him. It’s always somebody else’s fault. Bungle legislation? Blame the swamp. Grab em by the pussy? Liberal media. Additional trillion in debt? Crooked Hillary.
And it should be acknowledged that in the very state that was the primary battleground for black civil rights, black voters turned out in force to save Alabama from further disgrace and save the Republican Party from itself. Helluva job!
This contest wasn't about race or policy issues based at all. Just 30+ years ago she said-he said allegation based. So if blacks came out in force it was steeple based due to Obama's calls. Besides, it was republicans that didn't vote for Moore that won it for the liberals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Do you need a list of the good things that have happened that would not have happened with Clinton? She lost and you sound like you did too.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Trump isn't conservative on trade...you're right. I wish we had stronger manufacturing too. What has Trump done to fix that so far? His stated plan is only going to raise prices astronomically and his big business donors will never allow it anyway, so, like you've mentioned earlier, it's all talk and no action.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
What do you mean by globalism? Conservative thinkers have long believed that capitalism should have a global impact and that it was the surest way to insure a solid national defense because when a country stands to lose economically by going to war, they usually find other options. In my critique of Bannon, I should've called him a nativist. Much of our current nationalism is misguided, but nativism is straight up unamerican.
On the strong national defense, Trump talks big and makes us less safe. People love the tough guy act, but what is it accomplishing?
Trump isn't leading on tax. Are some folks rates going down? Yes, just as our national debt goes up. Where do you think that will lead us? More taxes and state dependency. Trump is NOT a fiscal conservative.
So, he's not a fiscal conservative, a foreign policy conservative, or a social conservative.
He's trying to redefine conservatism and I hope he fails at that. Opposition to liberal ideology will be weaker if he does.
He's terrible at governing, but he's great at branding and ensuring that anything that goes wrong is someone else's fault...so his redefinition campaign has a good chance to succeed. That's when the losing bigly really starts.
Nothing on that list wouldn't have been accomplished by literally any of the other 17 candidates. I sound like I lost because conservatism lost. You lost too, you just don't know it yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Well, I am glad you can see exactly what would happen if any of the other 17 candidates would have won. If anything would have been accomplished at all it would have been quite a departure from all post-Gingrich republicanism.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Obamacare exists because republicans did nothing. They did nothing to solve the issues related to healthcare for a big minority of the population, so when the dems took control they shoved through a plan that destroyed healthcare for everyone. The republicans have done NOTHING to fix that, either. They do NOTHING. Conservatives my a$$.
Gosh, I wish we were winning like we were when Romney and McCain were running for president. I wish we were enjoying the "compassionate conservatism" that saw GW Bush acknowledge an issue created by the dems, do nothing to fix it (NO LEADERSHIP) and allow the financial crisis to happen.
I like Trump a bit more every day. He is a guy that actually fights back and pushes these great "conservative" icons to do SOMTHING/ANYTHING.
You obviously hate Trump. Well, good for you. And like all the other Trump haters you create this straw man and throw darts at it and then say "therefore, as you can see" as if you explanation explained anything. I only see what has happened since he was elected with the reversal of executive orders designed to cripple our economy, pushing a pro-military budget, pushing reduced tax rates on corporations to bring them back to America (even you dems thought this was a good idea until Trump proposed it), moving to de-politicize government bureaucrats and trying to enforce existing federal immigration laws.
He tweets and is a brash New Yorker. Big deal. As much as I cringe sometimes at his tweets, I revel in the fact that he is not versed in meaningless politispeech. If he does nothing more than save the Supreme Court, shake up the bureaucrats and undo the stain of the Obama presidency (by reversing all of the overreaching executive orders), he will be a successful president.
There are many executive orders the RINOs would not have rescinded.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
This is so true. And one who would have done so - Ted Cruz - would have been attacked by the media and these great republicans in the same manner Trump is being attacked now. Everyone who thinks the media would have accepted and blessed any repub president is blind to the bias that has happened every time a one is elected. And anyone who thinks a real conservative would have fared better just needs to look at how the repub establishment went after the tea party (the very thing that gave them their majority, and likely the reason Trump was elected this go around).Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
If the establishment republicans actually start representing the people that sent them to Washington (and not just talking about it every election cycle), they don't ever have to fear another Trump being elected.
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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
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Originally Posted by PawDawg
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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Hahaha!
I couldn't have set it up better. Perfect Trumpism. As long as you tell me what I already thought, you're exactly right. Anything that disagrees is fake news or just stated out of hate.
You never have to engage in an argument...and thus, you never have to lose one.
At this, Trump is brilliant. Of course, you guys are getting played and loving every minute of it.
Even if you love Trump and his ideas, you have to admit that he's done a crappy job of building consensus around his ideas. How many converts does he have? You'll no doubt respond that it's just because he's not a politician. Well, if not being a politician makes him ineffective, what has he accomplished?
And there's the straw man again.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Predictable.
We don't need to engage in an argument because you (think you) have both sides covered.
So you believe Obama was perfect and worship the ground he walks on (or the toilet seat he sits on that Trump should not be allowed to clean, according to the USA Today).Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Well, that is just like you liberal dems.
There, I argued like you. I took one piece of your thought, assigned to it whatever meaning I wanted, then argued with it as if you had said it. I was a little light on the ridicule and indignation, however. I promise to get better.
Did he campaign on "building consensus"? No! He was elected BECAUSE he didn't promise to "build consensus". That is such a fake RINO term.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
BTW, your boy Rubio is balking on the tax bill. He is demanding a larger refund to those who don't pay taxes.
I can see why you would hope so, but you're mistaken. How about you engage with what I wrote about conservatism? Or better yet, engage the article I linked.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
A Trump supporter having a low ridicule tolerance is incredibly rich.
He ran on making America great again. So far, all he's done is rescind executive orders and appointed a SCOTUS judge...things any of his primary opponents would've done. If he doesn't increase his current levels of support (call it whatever you like), how is he going to get reelected? How is he going to create an environment where a majority of voters (something he didn't get the first time around) buy into his vision for America?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Are you guys really so short sighted to believe that Trump can just tweet and muddle his way through procedure and actual lasting change will be achieved?
I know you're not...so what gives?
No way his opponents other than Cruz wold have rescinded or issued the executive orders he has addressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
The support he had is still there plus some. The only way he can lose is if the democrats can get out the black vote.
Plus who? You actually believe he can only lose if the minorities come out and vote? What do you think about what he's done to keep them home?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
What if, just like in Alabama, evangelicals don't show up like they did in 2016? You saw that evangelical turnout was low in Alabama and the margin of victory was the write in right?
No you are wrong. Many of those who ran against him are in Congress and not doing a damn thing including building a wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
You think evangelicals are turning away from Trump? Seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Who would’ve predicted that they’d stay home in Alabama?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
They don’t have to turn away, they just have to stay home. As the act continues to wear on, I certainly think his support won’t be as strong in 2020...if he sticks around that long.
What happens if the Dems run Cory Booker?
Why would evangelicals support a candidate that throws his support behind a pedophile?
Ya know what, I think the problem here is that we are dealing with people that were born in the 1980s or after.
I remember this same kind of stuff being said about Reagan, except Reagan was viewed as MUCH more dangerous to the US and Republican party than even Trump. The consensus was that Reagan was going to start WW3 (and nuclear Armageddon) because he was just a clown cowboy, dimwit B-movie actor and he was not to be trusted. His tax cuts were to done to favor the rich corporate fat cats, and that same dialogue continued after they supercharged the economy. Most of the republican party could not stand to be in the same room with him.
All these accolades that are being heaped on Reagan these days were most certainly missing when he occupied the oval office. Same for Bush 1 and Bush 2, although they were popular with establishment republicans.
In 20 years they'll be saying "at least Trump..." about some other republican politician, and I guess you have to live through enough of that to understand what is going on.
Some time during the 1960s the media stopped being idealistic (they were liberal idealogues at that time) and started being partisan. Someone who has not been around that long would not see that, because that is all they have seen.
I think I will stop trying to insert logic here and just let time do the job it is supposed to do.
I didn't predict they would stay home in 'bama, but I knew they were not engaged. I would not have been had I been a voter. The guy made me ill before the fake news about the 14 year old became the mantra. That's all it took to turn the bible thumpers away, just as it did with Vitter vs. Edwards except our voters were just total dumb asses for favoring Edwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
BTW, I told you blacks would not get out and vote for Clinton. You did not believe me.
I don’t recall us discussing that. I doubt I said they’d show up for her like they did for BHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
You still haven’t told me who “plus some” is.
You need to stick to preaching out of the Bible, you're totally lost on politics. You don't even know the difference between a democrat and a muslim.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Interesting how Republicans don’t trust women.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
My grandfather had a saying about assumptions that comes to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by DONW
So now that Moore lost, and the swamp got their guy, Al Franken is now not going to resign. At least that's the word tonight.
Guess that means the Repubs keep the moral high ground and the 'craps get to be the party of woman-abusers....which they are.
BTW, I don't really believe that either political party occupies any moral high ground, on any issue! But, that's the game they are playing.
Black women get to claim the high ground in Alabama. The republicans voted for him, at least those that voted.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Bullshit! blacks ALWAYS vote for the 'craps, usually 95%+. No change whatsoever in this election. No, the difference was the 23,000 write-in votes by Republicans for someone else. And yes, the number of usual (R) voters who stayed home. You need to stop your goofy crap on this forum. Perhaps there are other boards out there where ignorant people buy your sack of lies, but not here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
In the long run, this result actually helps the (R) brand (and it needs all the help it can get). Doug Jones will play absolutely no role in changing things in DC. Will have zero effect.....well actually, he has already had a POSITIVE effect. His election, and seating in January, got us past the Corker-Rubio road block of this tax reform bill. Thanks!
But they turned out the vote in Obama numbers and actually voted more for Jones (98%) than Obama (95%). Remarkable for a special election during the holidays.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Bannon is back in the news. Trump seems to have rounded on him. More #FakeNews?
Trump and Bannon are made for each other.
I care zero about Bannon. Would not even know who he was if the media had not been pointing him out for a whole year leading up to the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I only care that Trump is president and Hillary/Huma is not. This is good for America, and America and Trump go well together.
Blah, blah, blah...
meanwhile in the real world. The Stock Market hit 25K. It's gone from below 20K to record highs, thanks to Trump. The wall on our southern border is going up. N. Korea crapped its pants, thanks to a real POTUS again, and is seeking talks with S. Korea. The freedom-loving people of Iran are emboldened now that that piece of crap, obummer, is no longer holding America hostage.
My CPA says I'm gonna really like the new taxes.....well, since I have never met a tax I liked, I think he's exaggerating a bit! Still, it's better than it was. (all you anti-Trumpers be sure to write a check back to the US Treasury since I know you don't want anything to do with our great prez, President Trump. Don't be a hypocrite and keep your tax cut.)
The economy is roaring to life. Already in 12 months we've realized more economic gain than the previous 9 years combined. Yes, that's 8 years of the worst prez in history, and GWB's last year.
We are finally standing up to the thugs in the UN. I say defund the whole hive of evil-doers.
Etc...
Things are looking up for long-time suffering, decent Americans.
Trump to Kim Jong-un: "My button is bigger than your button and my button works."Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Gotta love it!
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All forms of media trying all they can to damage Trump to no avail. He will be the ultimate "Teflon President" as fake news rolls off him like water off a duck. Trump should sue.
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Trump has now turned on Sessions?
That happened when Sessions recused himself from the Russia investigation leading to an independent investigator.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Naming Sessions as AG was a huge mistake. Yes, that is on Trump, he blew that one. But Trump is also a no nonsense type leader. He rectifies mistakes he has made, so I expect to either see Sessions put on big boy pants and get to work, or we'll see a new AG soon.
Part of the problem hindering Sessions is he is part of the swamp. The old guard has him on a short leash, such that he is not doing what Trump wants him to. That changes or out the door he goes!
Yep, all you have to know is how much respect he gets from both sides of the isle to know he has always been part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
“No nonsense” - lol. I have never seen nonsense at this level before.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
So you chose to ignore it up until the last year then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Bannon is out at Breitbart.
Good as he's gone off his rocker.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Was he ever on it?Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Very old news. Surely you're not just hearing about this? Trump has wanted to fire Sessions since the day he recused himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin