Start Westin Elliot Now!

The team is imploding under Holtz’s failing leadership (if you can really call it leadership). J’Mar is ruined, seriously. He’s been coached down to uselessness. I hate to say that but it’s blatantly obvious. I’ve never seen a QB look around and behind him as much as he does. His eyes are not down field. He has no confidence anymore. The only down field completions today were pure luck.

I’m not sure Elliot could do any better but I want to see him give it a try. Maybe he’d ignore Holtz and play to achieve, play to make something happen. Tech needs a leader on the field since there isn’t one on the side line (normally that would be the head coach).

J'Mar just needs to play and not worry if he gets chewed out by Holtz for running over a DB.

Blame Holtz if you like, but J’Mar sucks plain and simple. Time for a change.

past time, WAY past time :icon_roll:

We don't have a 5th year senior power 5 QB transfer on our roster this year. I'm fine with trying another QB, but our problems go much deeper than who the QB is.

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Originally Posted by hambone29

Blame Holtz if you like, but J’Mar sucks plain and simple. Time for a change.

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J'Mar is starting because Holtz thinks he was and is our best option. I think I'll blame Holtz.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

J'Mar is starting because Holtz thinks he was and is our best option. I think I'll blame Holtz.

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Who will you blame if it turns out that Holtz is Right? With the same play calls, same number of dropped passes, and the same OL, I don't think it would matter who the QB is.

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Originally Posted by Kodawg

Who will you blame if it turns out that Holtz is Right? With the same play calls, same number of dropped passes, and the same OL, I don't think it would matter who the QB is.

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I think I'll blame Holtz...

Latech	3-G	at Nt07	Timeout LATECH, clock 00:46.
Latech	3-G	at Nt07	Smith, J'Mar rush for 7 yards to the NT0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 00:39.
			BARNES, J. kick attempt good.
			LATECH 17, North Texas 7
			Drive: 9 plays, 80 yards, TOP 02:20
			BARNES, J. kickoff 65 yards to the NT0, touchback.
Nt	1-10	at Nt25	NORTH TEXAS drive start at 00:39.
Nt	1-10	at Nt25	FINE, Mason pass complete to GUYTON, Jalen for 6 yards to the NT31, out-of-bounds.
Nt	2-4	at Nt31	FINE, Mason pass complete to DARDEN, Jaelon for 25 yards to the LATECH44, 1ST DOWN NT (Lewis, Darryl).
Nt	1-10	at Latech44	Timeout North Texas, clock 00:25.
Nt	1-10	at Latech44	FINE, Mason pass incomplete to GUYTON, Jalen (Robertson, Amik).
Nt	2-10	at Latech44	FINE, Mason pass complete to LAWRENCE, M. for 6 yards to the LATECH38 (Robertson, Amik;WASHINGTON, D.).
Nt	3-4	at Latech38	Timeout North Texas, clock 00:12.
Nt	3-4	at Latech38	FINE, Mason rush for 7 yards to the LATECH31, 1ST DOWN NT (Spencer, Trey).
Nt	1-10	at Latech31	Timeout North Texas, clock 00:07.
Nt	1-10	at Latech31	MOORE, Trevor field goal attempt from 48 GOOD, clock 00:00.

Westin better be able throw while running - o-line hasn't protect the QB consistently all year nor been able to open up running lanes fir our backs. The absence of a consistent running game & inability protect the QB has been the primary problem. JMar has struggled for sure but hard to find any rhythm while constantly improvising & no running game fir balance. My guess is Westin will follow the others that exited since it appears Holtz is locked in to Smith.

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Westin better be able throw while running - o-line hasn't protect the QB consistently all year nor been able to open up running lanes fir our backs. The absence of a consistent running game & inability protect the QB has been the primary problem. JMar has struggled for sure but hard to find any rhythm while constantly improvising & no running game fir balance. My guess is Westin will follow the others that exited since it appears Holtz is locked in to Smith.

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J'Mar lacks time, but he can't make the reads or the throws even when he has time. He missed on several easy passes yesterday.

Lacking a consistent running game? Boston Scott has proven repeatedly to be our best option, but is still not the starter. Our HC is determined to run the stupid delayed hand off and run outside the tackles. We are negative yardage on both for the season. The "diamond package" worked for a TD yesterday. We never went back to it again.

Our HC lost the game yesterday.

Holtz letting someone else call the plays will help us a lot more than changing the QB.

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Originally Posted by Fire Skip Holtz

Holtz letting someone else call the plays will help us a lot more than changing the QB.

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Who the reject he hired to be his eyes in the sky?

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

J'Mar lacks time, but he can't make the reads or the throws even when he has time. He missed on several easy passes yesterday.

Lacking a consistent running game? Boston Scott has proven repeatedly to be our best option, but is still not the starter. Our HC is determined to run the stupid delayed hand off and run outside the tackles. We are negative yardage on both for the season. The "diamond package" worked for a TD yesterday. We never went back to it again.

Our HC lost the game yesterday.

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I agree. Also when things were going well with the Diamond package with Scott and McKnight, he put a banged up Craft in thr mix. He should have sat him out. Holtz messed up a good thing that was working for him.

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Originally Posted by Fire Skip Holtz

Holtz letting someone else call the plays will help us a lot more than changing the QB.

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That is not going to happen. Holtz 100% believes in conservative "just get another FG" offense and conservative "prevent" defense. Any risk-taking coaches will not last long on his staff. It has to be demoralizing to assistant coaches and players.

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I agree. Also when things were going well with the Diamond package with Scott and McKnight, he put a banged up Craft in thr mix. He should have sat him out. Holtz messed up a good thing that was working for him.

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He ran the diamond package for the first TD in the first half. Craft went back in in the second half in some other type package that didn't work. In the first half we scored with Tucker, McKnight, and Scott.

Latech	1-10	at Latech48	Start of 2nd quarter, clock 15:00.
Latech	1-10	at Latech48	MCKNIGHT, K. rush for 8 yards to the NT44 (JENKINS, Eric).
Latech	2-2	at Nt44	Tucker, Israel rush for 4 yards to the NT40, 1ST DOWN LATECH (EJIYA, E.J.).
Latech	1-10	at Nt40	MCKNIGHT, K. rush for 6 yards to the NT34 (JENKINS, Eric).
Latech	2-4	at Nt34	Smith, J'Mar pass incomplete to BONNETTE, R..
Latech	3-4	at Nt34	MCKNIGHT, K. rush for 2 yards to the NT32 (HAMILTON, L.).
Latech	4-2	at Nt32	Smith, J'Mar pass complete to BONNETTE, R. for 28 yards to the NT4, 1ST DOWN LATECH.
Latech	1-G	at Nt04	Scott, Boston rush for 4 yards to the NT0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 12:17.
Latech	1-G	at Nt03	PENALTY LATECH false start (CARPENTER, S.) 5 yards to the NT8.
			BARNES, J. kick attempt good.

Firing Baker would be nice. Do we ever play freaking defense

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I think I'll blame Holtz...

Latech	3-G	at Nt07	Timeout LATECH, clock 00:46.
Latech	3-G	at Nt07	Smith, J'Mar rush for 7 yards to the NT0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 00:39.
			BARNES, J. kick attempt good.
			LATECH 17, North Texas 7
			Drive: 9 plays, 80 yards, TOP 02:20
			BARNES, J. kickoff 65 yards to the NT0, touchback.
Nt	1-10	at Nt25	NORTH TEXAS drive start at 00:39.
Nt	1-10	at Nt25	FINE, Mason pass complete to GUYTON, Jalen for 6 yards to the NT31, out-of-bounds.
Nt	2-4	at Nt31	FINE, Mason pass complete to DARDEN, Jaelon for 25 yards to the LATECH44, 1ST DOWN NT (Lewis, Darryl).
Nt	1-10	at Latech44	Timeout North Texas, clock 00:25.
Nt	1-10	at Latech44	FINE, Mason pass incomplete to GUYTON, Jalen (Robertson, Amik).
Nt	2-10	at Latech44	FINE, Mason pass complete to LAWRENCE, M. for 6 yards to the LATECH38 (Robertson, Amik;WASHINGTON, D.).
Nt	3-4	at Latech38	Timeout North Texas, clock 00:12.
Nt	3-4	at Latech38	FINE, Mason rush for 7 yards to the LATECH31, 1ST DOWN NT (Spencer, Trey).
Nt	1-10	at Latech31	Timeout North Texas, clock 00:07.
Nt	1-10	at Latech31	MOORE, Trevor field goal attempt from 48 GOOD, clock 00:00.

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Yep, that was really a head-scratcher final minute in the first half. The defense literally gave up a FG to prevent a TD. One of the stupidest defensive series I've ever seen.

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Firing Baker would be nice. Do we ever play freaking defense

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Defense is not the problem. If the offense would have scored TD's on the FG drives, UNT's score still would be the same, and we would have scored 12 more points (16 if you count in the missed FG), thus making the final 35-24 or 42-24 Tech. The QB is the primary problem. The OL is not doing it's part, but when a QB sits back and reviews the field for a LONG time, then tries to run, get sacked or throws a stupid pass..........there's your problem.

Baker is just doing what the head coach tells him to do. If he doesn't he will be "moving on to pursue other opportunities".
This is not the only sport at Tech where the HC is a micromanager to the overall detriment of the program.

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Originally Posted by DogsWin

Baker is just doing what the head coach tells him to do. If he doesn't he will be "moving on to pursue other opportunities".
This is not the only sport at Tech where the HC is a micromanager to the overall detriment of the program.

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Unless Skip was talking to him on the mic, Baker and him were not around each other majority of the game. I only saw Skip get in the huddle only a few times.

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Originally Posted by DJDAWG

Yep, that was really a head-scratcher final minute in the first half. The defense literally gave up a FG to prevent a TD. One of the stupidest defensive series I've ever seen.

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I will blame Holtz for not running the game clock down under 30 seconds instead of calling timeout at 46 seconds before the TD run. Taking another 15-20 seconds off the clock would have forced North Texas to push the pace to even get a FG attempt before halftime.

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I will blame Holtz for not running the game clock down under 30 seconds before calling the timeout before the TD run. Taking another 15-20 seconds off the clock would have forced North Texas to push the pace to even get a FG attempt before halftime.

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And if the the 3rd down play doesn’t result in a TD, we kick another FG?

We went into our vaunted prevent defense with 39 seconds left in the half. Had there been just a little more time, they would have scored a TD to end the 1st half.

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Who the reject he hired to be his eyes in the sky?

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No, Tim Rattay. If Holtz would have promoted Tim to OC and not hire that reject, Tim would have gotten Holtz hired away.

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No, Tim Rattay. If Holtz would have promoted Tim to OC and not hire that reject, Tim would have gotten Holtz hired away.

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Too Funny :laugh:

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And if the the 3rd down play doesn’t result in a TD, we kick another FG?

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We are talking about what our coach did/didn't do before the 3rd down play. He was in control of the clock not what actually happened on 3rd down.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

J'Mar lacks time, but he can't make the reads or the throws even when he has time. He missed on several easy passes yesterday.

Lacking a consistent running game? Boston Scott has proven repeatedly to be our best option, but is still not the starter. Our HC is determined to run the stupid delayed hand off and run outside the tackles. We are negative yardage on both for the season. The "diamond package" worked for a TD yesterday. We never went back to it again.

Our HC lost the game yesterday.

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No doubt!

Didn't want to come on the board today! But, I like the title of this thread! Pretty sure I herd the quote before recently, "What you got to LOSE"

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Who will you blame if it turns out that Holtz is Right? With the same play calls, same number of dropped passes, and the same OL, I don't think it would matter who the QB is.

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BS. It matters. I watched J'Mar very, very closely yesterday. He's gotten much worse since Week 1 instead of better. J'Mar is far too slow handing the ball off. He looks directly at the ball carrier after making a handoff to a RB (instead of carrying out a fake, or faking a pass), and he still holds the football FAR TOO LONG when attempting a pass. Several times yesterday he had receivers wide open, but he waited another 3-5 seconds before finally throwing the pass to them. At that point, it's too late. The opposing DB had recovered, or the WR had simply run out of pattern. It's pathetic. It pains me to say it, but J'Mar is a terrible QB. This team will go no where with him at the helm.

I think it's mental with J'Mar. Early this season J'Mar was tagged as a "turnover machine" by many because he was careless with the football and repeatedly turned the ball over. Now he has stopped the turnovers, but he appears to be overcompensating. That's why he's holding the ball too long. Instead of throwing on pattern, he's waiting (too long) until a receiver is wide open before even thinking about throwing the ball. Look at his stats. J'Mar had a lot of turnovers early in the season, but also a lot of big plays. Now he's completely stopped the turnovers, but he's also making no big plays. He's such a head case...

Let's fire Holtz today and turn it over to the guy that ran the most exciting offense in Tech history. I bet he remembers a lot of the plays he ran. We know that Holtz is not going to let somebody else call the plays, so, our team will be better off without him, even if we're short one assistant coach. The time has come to promote Tim Rattay to HC. We will lose more money by keeping Holtz as the head coach than we will by paying him off. Fans are not going to come see the crap that we saw on the field yesterday. Unless you're a huge Jonathon Barnes fan, you're not going to like our games. And, he's been known to miss a few field goals and even extra points.

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He ran the diamond package for the first TD in the first half. Craft went back in in the second half in some other type package that didn't work. In the first half we scored with Tucker, McKnight, and Scott.

Latech	1-10	at Latech48	Start of 2nd quarter, clock 15:00.
Latech	1-10	at Latech48	MCKNIGHT, K. rush for 8 yards to the NT44 (JENKINS, Eric).
Latech	2-2	at Nt44	Tucker, Israel rush for 4 yards to the NT40, 1ST DOWN LATECH (EJIYA, E.J.).
Latech	1-10	at Nt40	MCKNIGHT, K. rush for 6 yards to the NT34 (JENKINS, Eric).
Latech	2-4	at Nt34	Smith, J'Mar pass incomplete to BONNETTE, R..
Latech	3-4	at Nt34	MCKNIGHT, K. rush for 2 yards to the NT32 (HAMILTON, L.).
Latech	4-2	at Nt32	Smith, J'Mar pass complete to BONNETTE, R. for 28 yards to the NT4, 1ST DOWN LATECH.
Latech	1-G	at Nt04	Scott, Boston rush for 4 yards to the NT0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 12:17.
Latech	1-G	at Nt03	PENALTY LATECH false start (CARPENTER, S.) 5 yards to the NT8.
			BARNES, J. kick attempt good.

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And after Boston Scott scored his TD on that pitch play out of the Diamond package, we never ran that same play again all day. You can't make this stuff up.

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And after Boston Scott scored his TD on that pitch play out of the Diamond package, we never ran that same play again all day. You can't make this stuff up.

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Skip's biography: https://www.amazon.com/How-Lose-Batt.../dp/0060760249 (great book btw)

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BS. It matters. I watched J'Mar very, very closely yesterday. He's gotten much worse since Week 1 instead of better. J'Mar is far too slow handing the ball off. He looks directly at the ball carrier after making a handoff to a RB (instead of carrying out a fake, or faking a pass), and he still holds the football FAR TOO LONG when attempting a pass. Several times yesterday he had receivers wide open, but he waited another 3-5 seconds before finally throwing the pass to them. At that point, it's too late. The opposing DB had recovered, or the WR had simply run out of pattern. It's pathetic. It pains me to say it, but J'Mar is a terrible QB. This team will go no where with him at the helm.

I think it's mental with J'Mar. Early this season J'Mar was tagged as a "turnover machine" by many because he was careless with the football and repeatedly turned the ball over. Now he has stopped the turnovers, but he appears to be overcompensating. That's why he's holding the ball too long. Instead of throwing on pattern, he's waiting (too long) until a receiver is wide open before even thinking about throwing the ball. Look at his stats. J'Mar had a lot of turnovers early in the season, but also a lot of big plays. Now he's completely stopped the turnovers, but he's also making no big plays. He's such a head case...

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Also, we simplified things using the clap cadence (which everyone is doing) than the traditional vocal snap count.

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Firing Baker would be nice. Do we ever play freaking defense

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Defense is NOT the problem

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Defense is NOT the problem

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The Defensive players are not the problem, the calls that are made is where the problem is. Skip makes out like he lets BB make his own defensive calls, not sure, but if BB is making that same prevent call every game on his own, maybe he does need to go. A good DC would have some decent talent to work with if he came in now.

Overall the defense has played well. But, yeah, at times the coaches mess things up. That closing 39 seconds of the 1st half is a good example. UNT, their QB Fine, was not handling our pressure very well. But, when we only rushed three Fine did fine. Should have blitzed every play. Not all-out wreckless blitzes, but ones with purpose, and mixing it up with different kinds of blitzes. But, we dropped back and gave them 3 points. And even after we missed the long FG...with 2:30 left, we had no choice at that point but to bring it! We needed to stuff them for a quick 3 and out, and if they burned us for a TD...well then, it's 31-23 still a one-possession game and we have a chance. Instead we played soft and they ran that same damn play off left tackle...

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BS. It matters. I watched J'Mar very, very closely yesterday. He's gotten much worse since Week 1 instead of better. J'Mar is far too slow handing the ball off. He looks directly at the ball carrier after making a handoff to a RB (instead of carrying out a fake, or faking a pass), and he still holds the football FAR TOO LONG when attempting a pass. Several times yesterday he had receivers wide open, but he waited another 3-5 seconds before finally throwing the pass to them. At that point, it's too late. The opposing DB had recovered, or the WR had simply run out of pattern. It's pathetic. It pains me to say it, but J'Mar is a terrible QB. This team will go no where with him at the helm.

I think it's mental with J'Mar. Early this season J'Mar was tagged as a "turnover machine" by many because he was careless with the football and repeatedly turned the ball over. Now he has stopped the turnovers, but he appears to be overcompensating. That's why he's holding the ball too long. Instead of throwing on pattern, he's waiting (too long) until a receiver is wide open before even thinking about throwing the ball. Look at his stats. J'Mar had a lot of turnovers early in the season, but also a lot of big plays. Now he's completely stopped the turnovers, but he's also making no big plays. He's such a head case...

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Every chance you get, look directly into the face of J'Mar, he has that deer in the headlight, lights are on-nobody home look, it is scary. I saw that several weeks ago and said I was very afraid J'Mar was going to be a mental case, I did not want him to be but that was my fears.

Some guys do great in practice, but when the game is on, some overthink things, some panic and cannot think at all, And game-time is just too much for some. One of the key things that you noticed and many others have noticed is his tendency to lock on his receiver, usually that gets better as a QB matures, He has gotten worse. The locking on is even drawing comments from outside people.

I would like to see J'Mar turned loose for one quarter, tell him to call his own plays, does not matter if he throws interceptions, fumbles, or runs like a running back, nothing matters. That would tell us a lot and I think Rattay could give him some guidance on that, J'mar would either shine or we could then move on.

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Every chance you get, look directly into the face of J'Mar, he has that deer in the headlight, lights are on-nobody home look, it is scary. I saw that several weeks ago and said I was very afraid J'Mar was going to be a mental case, I did not want him to be but that was my fears.

Some guys do great in practice, but when the game is on, some overthink things, some panic and cannot think at all, And game-time is just too much for some. One of the key things that you noticed and many others have noticed is his tendency to lock on his receiver, usually that gets better as a QB matures, He has gotten worse. The locking on is even drawing comments from outside people.

I would like to see J'Mar turned loose for one quarter, tell him to call his own plays, does not matter if he throws interceptions, fumbles, or runs like a running back, nothing matters. That would tell us a lot and I think Rattay could give him some guidance on that, J'mar would either shine or we could then move on.

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The really scary thing, if you can see it the coaches do too and they still don't put the backup QB in. At this point, if the backup gave us a better chance he would be playing.....

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At this point, if the backup gave us a better chance he would be playing.....

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Why do you believe that? He still has Craft starting at RB instead of Scott.

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Why do you believe that? He still has Craft starting at RB instead of Scott.

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Scott had 16 carries yesterday, Craft had 8....Does it matter who is on the field at RB for the opening snap?

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Scott had 16 carries yesterday, Craft had 8....Does it matter who is on the field at RB for the opening snap?

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Yes it does. Had Craft not gotten hurt, they would have had equal carries, but unequal yardage...AGAIN.

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Yes it does. Had Craft not gotten hurt, they would have had equal carries, but unequal yardage...AGAIN.

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You sure? Scott's ypc was 4. Craft's was 3.75. Not much difference yesterday.

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You sure? Scott's ypc was 4. Craft's was 3.75. Not much difference yesterday.

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Whatever. Your Skip crush is messing up your ability to see who the best RB is. It's not even close.

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Whatever. Your Skip crush is messing up your ability to see who the best RB is. It's not even close.

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No crush on Skip. I can remember everyone wanting J'mar to start after the Arkansas game last year.... I have more confidence in Skip's talent evaluation than yours.

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The really scary thing, if you can see it the coaches do too and they still don't put the backup QB in. At this point, if the backup gave us a better chance he would be playing.....

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You obviously don't know and understand Coach Holtz. He's very hard-headed to a fault. Even the USF fans warned us that Holtz would go down with the ship before he admits that he made a personnel mistake.

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No crush on Skip. I can remember everyone wanting J'mar to start after the Arkansas game last year.... I have more confidence in Skip's talent evaluation than yours.

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That would be a H-U-G-E mistake. I would trust PD's talent evaluation LONG before I would Holtz's. Same for some others on this board too.

People like you honestly believe coaches are infallible. That's just foolish. Many coaches get fired every year because they aren't.

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You obviously don't know and understand Coach Holtz. He's very hard-headed to a fault. Even the USF fans warned us that Holtz would go down with the ship before he admits that he made a personnel mistake.

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We are not very good at QB obviously.....J'mar is probably our best option. Yes that sucks, but that's how it is.

J'Mar has regressed. That's coaching.

The coaching won't improve with a new QB. Maybe Holtz is stubborn. Maybe Elliot can't make half the throws...maybe both.

Either way, you won't see Elliot unless J'Mar gets injured.

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We are not very good at QB obviously.....J'mar is probably our best option. Yes that sucks, but that's how it is.

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I don't believe that. Or, at least we certainly don't know that for sure. We haven't been given the opportunity to see Westin Elliot, except for the one (1) 93 yard TD drive he executed perfectly against Mississippi Sate. There was certainly nothing about that drive that indicated he should be backing up what I saw yesterday.

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J'Mar has regressed. That's coaching.

The coaching won't improve with a new QB. Maybe Holtz is stubborn. Maybe Elliot can't make half the throws...maybe both.

Either way, you won't see Elliot unless J'Mar gets injured.

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Everyone's all-star is the QB coach.....If we're gonna blame the DC for the defensive problems...

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Everyone's all-star is the QB coach.....If we're gonna blame the DC for the defensive problems...

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If it's true, it's true.

Do you think J'Mar has regressed?

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Everyone's all-star is the QB coach.....If we're gonna blame the DC for the defensive problems...

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Some have defended Tim, I am not sure myself, but I do know Tim was QB who called his own plays and had a great football IQ. Now, maybe all of that does not translate into good coaching, maybe some blame lies with Tim, and if it doesn't, Rattay is still not going to throw anyone under the Bus. Most of us hold Tim in high regard, but we know he is not infallible, we have to face it until we know different, Tim could be responsible for some of this.

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If it's true, it's true.

Do you think J'Mar has regressed?

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I don't know. Everyone on here proclaimed him to be a stud after the Arkansas game last year. Holtz said, hold up and started Higgins the rest of the year. Holtz brought us Sokol and Driskell, stayed with Higgins....J'mar is athletic and has potential, the game hasn't slowed down for him yet.

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I don't know. Everyone on here proclaimed him to be a stud after the Arkansas game last year. Holtz said, hold up and started Higgins the rest of the year. Holtz brought us Sokol and Driskell, stayed with Higgins....J'mar is athletic and has potential, the game hasn't slowed down for him yet.

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That's it? That's all you got? :laugh: Thank you, Captain Obvious!! :laugh:


God help you if you ever have to make a decision about something material.

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That's it? That's all you got? :laugh: Thank you, Captain Obvious!! :laugh:


God help you if you ever have to make a decision about something material.

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Well if you want the truth, no, I don't think he has regressed. He's not very good....but still better than the other choice Elliot. The two guys that could have challenged for the position quit and went elsewhere because they were not competitors.

It won't matter who the coach is with J'Mar. Having played the position, I can tell you exactly what his problem is: if his first read is not open, he looks at the oncoming rushers instead of keeping his eyes downfield to go to his 2nd and 3rd progression. And while this almost certainly is the result of having an OL that is the equivalent of a wet paper towel, the simple truth is that the QB's job is to hang in the pocket as long as he can... and even take the hit when necessary.

At this point, J'Mar has been hit too many times and now has "happy feet" because (and rightfully so) he has no confidence in his O-line. This is why, other than some errant passes in recent weeks, J'Mar looks fairly solid when throwing the ball within 2-3 seconds. But when his first read is not open and he has to hold onto the ball any longer than 3 seconds, you will notice he starts dancing in the pocket and will start running around like a chicken with its head cut off... like he's trying to get out of a car that's on fire. Bottom line is, the "toughness" needed to stand in the pocket, go through the reads, and deliver an accurate pass when you know you're going to get hit is not "learned." Some guys have it and some guys don't. And for the record, I never did... which is why I know it when I see it.

And while there are things we could do to simplify the passing game and get J'Mar out of the pocket, I don't think we'll ever see them due to the consistent hard-headedness on our sideline.

It’s not all that complicated. Everybody with any football sense saw it unfolding play by play on the field and have defined it very accurately in a great many of the posts since the UNT loss. Holtz is and has been coaching his team to effortless unimaginative loses and will continue to do so. He is the team’s single greatest weak link.

I believe what I’m seeing is a coach who has no confidence in his players’ abilities to win on their athleticism or their football brains, so he is coaching a very very conservative game scheme to minimize any potential errors in hopes that the football gods will have a few wins fall his way. That obviously hasn’t been happening.

I honestly don’t expect to see any changes for the remaining games, the players are not going to get football smarter or any more physically capable, so Holtz is going to continue his conversative approach. The only way he’ll do something different is if some team starts to beat the snot out of Tech. Then he’ll be forced to open things up and just go for it.

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It won't matter who the coach is with J'Mar. Having played the position, I can tell you exactly what his problem is: if his first read is not open, he looks at the oncoming rushers instead of keeping his eyes downfield to go to his 2nd and 3rd progression. And while this almost certainly is the result of having an OL that is the equivalent of a wet paper towel, the simple truth is that the QB's job is to hang in the pocket as long as he can... and even take the hit when necessary.

At this point, J'Mar has been hit too many times and now has "happy feet" because (and rightfully so) he has no confidence in his O-line. This is why, other than some errant passes in recent weeks, J'Mar looks fairly solid when throwing the ball within 2-3 seconds. But when his first read is not open and he has to hold onto the ball any longer than 3 seconds, you will notice he starts dancing in the pocket and will start running around like a chicken with its head cut off... like he's trying to get out of a car that's on fire. Bottom line is, the "toughness" needed to stand in the pocket, go through the reads, and deliver an accurate pass when you know you're going to get hit is not "learned." Some guys have it and some guys don't. And for the record, I never did... which is why I know it when I see it.

And while there are things we could do to simplify the passing game and get J'Mar out of the pocket, I don't think we'll ever see them due to the consistent hard-headedness on our sideline.

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Exactly! It goes back to the coaches......Holtz and Rattay. They need to go to plan b, c, d and e if necessary. Roll him out and let him work outside the pocket. By the way, I played the QB position, and I stunk. It's a hard position to excel at, and it is a head job. I believe I had the smarts and the instinct, but not the physical abilities to make it all happen. The current QB has the physical abilities, but lacks some of the intangibles to make him successful.

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It’s not all that complicated. Everybody with any football sense saw it unfolding play by play on the field and have defined it very accurately in a great many of the posts since the UNT loss. Holtz is and has been coaching his team to effortless unimaginative loses and will continue to do so. He is the team’s single greatest weak link.

I believe what I’m seeing is a coach who has no confidence in his players’ abilities to win on their athleticism or their football brains, so he is coaching a very very conservative game scheme to minimize any potential errors in hopes that the football gods will have a few wins fall his way. That obviously hasn’t been happening.

I honestly don’t expect to see any changes for the remaining games, the players are not going to get football smarter or any more physically capable, so Holtz is going to continue his conversative approach. The only way he’ll do something different is if some team starts to beat the snot out of Tech. Then he’ll be forced to open things up and just go for it.

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You just may see that happen this weekend. We will see if, or when, it does how Holtz reacts. I'm not optimistic.

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It won't matter who the coach is with J'Mar. Having played the position, I can tell you exactly what his problem is: if his first read is not open, he looks at the oncoming rushers instead of keeping his eyes downfield to go to his 2nd and 3rd progression. And while this almost certainly is the result of having an OL that is the equivalent of a wet paper towel, the simple truth is that the QB's job is to hang in the pocket as long as he can... and even take the hit when necessary.

At this point, J'Mar has been hit too many times and now has "happy feet" because (and rightfully so) he has no confidence in his O-line. This is why, other than some errant passes in recent weeks, J'Mar looks fairly solid when throwing the ball within 2-3 seconds. But when his first read is not open and he has to hold onto the ball any longer than 3 seconds, you will notice he starts dancing in the pocket and will start running around like a chicken with its head cut off... like he's trying to get out of a car that's on fire. Bottom line is, the "toughness" needed to stand in the pocket, go through the reads, and deliver an accurate pass when you know you're going to get hit is not "learned." Some guys have it and some guys don't. And for the record, I never did... which is why I know it when I see it.

And while there are things we could do to simplify the passing game and get J'Mar out of the pocket, I don't think we'll ever see them due to the consistent hard-headedness on our sideline.

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Exactly, he probably played in a high school system where the coach told him where to throw the ball, or he had the athletic ability to make a play....It happens with a lot of great high school Qb's ( Brandon Harris).

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You just may see that happen this weekend. We will see if, or when, it does how Holtz reacts. I'm not optimistic.

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Well, we saw how he reacted in the MS State game, he let Wesson take one drive basically when the game was well out of hand before then. Wesson should have at least played the entire fourth Quarter.

Does anyone remember when Luke Mc got his red shirt pulled in the Miami game? That was HC Jack Bicknell, and I think Luke was his third QB to try in that game. Even Jack Bicknell had enough sense to know when a QB is just too bad to leave in.

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Well, we saw how he reacted in the MS State game, he let Wesson take one drive basically when the game was well out of hand before then. Wesson should have at least played the entire fourth Quarter.

Does anyone remember when Luke Mc got his red shirt pulled in the Miami game? That was HC Jack Bicknell, and I think Luke was his third QB to try in that game. Even Jack Bicknell had enough sense to know when a QB is just too bad to leave in.

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Exactly, if there is a better replacement on the roster, he would be playing.

I guess that having someone else call the plays is totally out of the question?

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Well if you want the truth, no, I don't think he has regressed. He's not very good....but still better than the other choice Elliot. The two guys that could have challenged for the position quit and went elsewhere because they were not competitors.

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Now why do you say that about Elliot? Serious question....what do you know about Elliot that we don't?

I'm not saying you are wrong, but the only time we saw Elliot play this season he looked like Payton Manning driving his team 93 yards down the field to score a TD pass on an SEC defense. So us average fans have seen NOTHING to indicate he can't play AT LEAST as well as the train-wreck known as J'Mar Smith. Just saying.....

Please save you criticism of "the two guys" who transferred, because right now they both look like geniuses. They knew Holtz was making a terrible, terrible decision by promoting J'Mar, and they knew he wouldn't be fair with them. Knowing what we know now about J'Mar's talent (or lack thereof), their transfers make total sense now.

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Now why do you say that about Elliot? Serious question....what do you know about Elliot that we don't?

I'm not saying you are wrong, but the only time we saw Elliot play this season he looked like Payton Manning driving his team 93 yards down the field to score a TD pass on an SEC defense. So us average fans have seen NOTHING to indicate he can't play AT LEAST as well as the train-wreck known as J'Mar Smith. Just saying.....

Please save you criticism of "the two guys" who transferred, because right now they both look like geniuses. They knew Holtz was making a terrible, terrible decision by promoting J'Mar, and they knew he wouldn't be fair with them. Knowing what we know now about J'Mar's talent (or lack thereof), their transfers make total sense now.

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Not to mention, classless Mullens put his first string back in.

I dont have any idea if Elliot is any better based on that drive.

What I do know is that we are on a sinking ship and I'm checking every life raft.

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Not to mention, classless Mullens put his first string back in.

I dont have any idea if Elliot is any better based on that drive.

What I do know is that we are on a sinking ship and I'm checking every life raft.

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I agree with your post above 100%.

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Exactly, if there is a better replacement on the roster, he would be playing.

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How do we know that?

I think Skip is too hardheaded to try anyone else, and I keep hearing we are playing our best, where is all this inside information coming from? You may have a good source, I don't know, but until Elliott or someone else steps out on that field and proves they are worse than J'Mar, I don't think anyone can make the assumption we are playing our best.

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How do we know that?

I think Skip is too hardheaded to try anyone else, and I keep hearing we are playing our best, where is all this inside information coming from? You may have a good source, I don't know, but until Elliott or someone else steps out on that field and proves they are worse than J'Mar, I don't think anyone can make the assumption we are playing our best.

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Why would any coach worth a damn not play their best? Y'all think we are playing daddy ball? Is J'mar's family wealthy?

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Why would any coach worth a damn not play their best? Y'all think we are playing daddy ball? Is J'mar's family wealthy?

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Because Skip already decided what he wants to do. We have 5 seasons of proof that once he makes a decision, he doesn't budge, no matter the evidence. Unless JMar gets hurt, something I do NOT want to happen, he's starting.

Hell, even when Craft got hurt Skip didn't care and played him anyway.

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Why would any coach worth a damn not play their best? Y'all think we are playing daddy ball? Is J'mar's family wealthy?

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Scott is better than Craft.

It's about control with Holtz. He makes his mind up that his is right and keeps doing stupid crap like the delayed hand offs and running outside the tackles. It hasn't worked all year, but he thinks it should work so he keeps doing it. Have you seen his horrible special teams for the past five years? Typical Holtz, "do it my way".

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Why would any coach worth a damn not play their best? Y'all think we are playing daddy ball? Is J'mar's family wealthy?

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Sorry folks, but that post reads like it was written by someone who has a PERSONAL stake in this issue. :laugh: He seems to be taking some of this a little too personal. Does anyone know the identity of eagle2180? (I'm guessing he won't identify himself.)

LOL! I can assure you I have zero affiliation with J'mar.

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LOL! I can assure you I have zero affiliation with J'mar.

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Or Skip Holtz!

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Sorry folks, but that post reads like it was written by someone who has a PERSONAL stake in this issue. :laugh: He seems to be taking some of this a little too personal. Does anyone know the identity of eagle2180? (I'm guessing he won't identify himself.)

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There is actually someone in McKinney,Tx that knows my identity......

Skip has already said he's not pulling his "young" "future rock star" QB because it would hurt his "confidence." In the spring Skip determined J'Mar would be his guy for the next 3 years, and he's not changing his mind. That's why Price and Jack transferred, because J'Mar was the anointed one.

However, J'Mar is not young. He's 21 years old in his 3rd season in the same system. He's not a 17-year-old Isham. And it's obvious J'Mar's confidence has long been shot weeks ago. He has no more confidence left to lose at this point. Skip's strategy obviously isn't working. Why not try something else like trying to light a fire under J'Mar's butt by sitting him for a couple series to see what Westin can do and to see if J'Mar responds positively with determination?

Some guys are gamers, and some guys aren't. Is J'Mar like a young Higgins, a future MVP who just needs more time to develop? Or is J'Mar like Brandon Harris, an overhyped guy with a great skillset who just doesn't have what it takes to put it all together in game situations? We don't yet know the answers to those questions regarding J'Mar, and Skip will likely never give Elliot an opportunity to show what he can do in real game situations unless J'Mar gets hurt. So here we are with a struggling QB and a mystery backup.

The only way we'll see another QB on the field this season will be if J'Mar gets hurt and can't play or Holtz is fired. Holtz will not change QBs.

Just wanted to mention I played QB on a flag-football team, and I was pretty good. Even if I do say so myself :icon_roll:.

As for Smith his weaknesses are so obvious that even casual football fans can see he sucks. One of his many flaws is he doesn't step up in the pocket when the rush is collapsing the pocket from the sides, which happens most of the time. Watch what real QBs do....and not just Drew Brees or Tom Brady....but any decent QB. They'll step up toward the LOS and allow the rush to go past them. This gives a QB the time he needs to complete his reads, and/or take off for a gain. Not Smith! he turns tail and runs away from the LOS at the first sign of trouble and then he's forced to be throwing on the run and off his back foot. That is everything a QB is taught NOT to do!

Smith is no QB....period.

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Skip has already said he's not pulling his "young" "future rock star" QB because it would hurt his "confidence." In the spring Skip determined J'Mar would be his guy for the next 3 years, and he's not changing his mind. That's why Price and Jack transferred, because J'Mar was the anointed one.

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- EXACTLY. And both Price and Abraham KNEW they were better QB's than J'Mar. So they left.

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However, J'Mar is not young. He's 21 years old in his 3rd season in the same system. He's not a 17-year-old Isham. And it's obvious J'Mar's confidence has long been shot weeks ago. He has no more confidence left to lose at this point. Skip's strategy obviously isn't working. Why not try something else like trying to light a fire under J'Mar's butt by sitting him for a couple series to see what Westin can do and to see if J'Mar responds positively with determination?

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First J'Mar looks 30 years old. Seriously, I'm not kidding here. He looks every bit of 30. Nevertheless, I recommended benching J'Mar for a series or two all the way back as early as the Miss St game. This should have been done in Week 2, or 3 or 4, so he could see the game from a different vantage point. Now it's too late. He's locked into a bunch of bad habits. They need to just bench him for the season now, and give somebody else some playing time while J'Mar "heals". ;)

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Some guys are gamers, and some guys aren't. Is J'Mar like a young Higgins, a future MVP who just needs more time to develop? Or is J'Mar like Brandon Harris, an overhyped guy with a great skillset who just doesn't have what it takes to put it all together in game situations? We don't yet know the answers to those questions regarding J'Mar, and Skip will likely never give Elliot an opportunity to show what he can do in real game situations unless J'Mar gets hurt. So here we are with a struggling QB and a mystery backup.

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J'Mar Smith = Brian Stallworth. For those of you who don't remember Stallworth, he was by far the best athlete on LA Tech's team back in 1999 & 2000. He was the strongest player on the team, and could bench 500lbs multiple times. He was also the heir apparent to Tim Rattay's QB throne, and actually DID THROW Tech's final TD pass to Sean Cangelosi that beat Alabama 29-28 back in 1999.

Everyone raved about the underclassman Stallworth, and said he had a very bright future as Tech's starting QB for the coming years. But when it came time to be Tech's starter in the year 2000, Stallworth was awful and played turtle. He was so bad at QB, Bicknell yanked the red shirt off of prized QB recruit Luke McCown in game 4 or 5, and Stallworth transferred out.

I feel like we're watching a rerun of LA Tech's 2000 football season. Except this time, there's no Luke McCown to yank a red shirt off of. And this time, the coach is too hard headed to even try another QB.

That was a televised Miami game when JBIII burned Lukes Red Shirt, I believe Luke was his third QB to try that game. Luke made some good plays that day and garnered a lot of good comments and respect from the commentators and media. Not every game was televised back then and that one just so happened to be.

Does anyone remember who that #2 QB was that day?

I think it was Causey.

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Why would any coach worth a damn not play their best?

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Sabotage. Point-shaving. Conspiracy.

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Sabotage. Point-shaving. Conspiracy.

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You are starting to win me over.

Speaking of Wes Elliot. I heard it said at the game and then again today on Fox's show. Was Elliot a walk-on?

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- EXACTLY. And both Price and Abraham KNEW they were better QB's than J'Mar. So they left.



First J'Mar looks 30 years old. Seriously, I'm not kidding here. He looks every bit of 30. Nevertheless, I recommended benching J'Mar for a series or two all the way back as early as the Miss St game. This should have been done in Week 2, or 3 or 4, so he could see the game from a different vantage point. Now it's too late. He's locked into a bunch of bad habits. They need to just bench him for the season now, and give somebody else some playing time while J'Mar "heals". ;)



J'Mar Smith = Brian Stallworth. For those of you who don't remember Stallworth, he was by far the best athlete on LA Tech's team back in 1999 & 2000. He was the strongest player on the team, and could bench 500lbs multiple times. He was also the heir apparent to Tim Rattay's QB throne, and actually DID THROW Tech's final TD pass to Sean Cangelosi that beat Alabama 29-28 back in 1999.

Everyone raved about the underclassman Stallworth, and said he had a very bright future as Tech's starting QB for the coming years. But when it came time to be Tech's starter in the year 2000, Stallworth was awful and played turtle. He was so bad at QB, Bicknell yanked the red shirt off of prized QB recruit Luke McCown in game 4 or 5, and Stallworth transferred out.

I feel like we're watching a rerun of LA Tech's 2000 football season. Except this time, there's no Luke McCown to yank a red shirt off of. And this time, the coach is too hard headed to even try another QB.

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Stallworth didn't get benched, he got injured. I think he got injured in the 3rd game against Stephan F Austin and it was a season ending injury.

Move J’Mar to reserve linebacker and let CeeJay Powell play QB, adopting Georgia Tech’s playbook. It’d work with our plethora of running backs/fullbacks

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Speaking of Wes Elliot. I heard it said at the game and then again today on Fox's show. Was Elliot a walk-on?

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This is the point that most people are too blind in their anger at J'Mar to remember. Westin Elliot joined our football team as a walk-on after spending one season as a backup at a junior college. He was a full qualifier who had no offers out of high school. He had no offers out of junior college. He was a tall, lanky project who might one day become a decent QB, but most likely was just going to be a practice arm for his career. I'm not trying to disparage him. I don't know him personally. But when you take a juco QB as a walk-on, that's usually the case.

The situation that he joined quickly became different, as two of the QBs ahead of him transferred out and he found himself put on scholarship as the primary backup. He's not ready. He probably won't ever be ready. But he's the only other QB who's not redshirting (unless you count Belton, who's listed as a WR/QB). If he had shown that he was ready to play during practice, I'm pretty sure he would be playing at this point. But you guys want to just throw him to the wolves because J'Mar isn't what we thought he was going to be.

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That was a televised Miami game when JBIII burned Lukes Red Shirt, I believe Luke was his third QB to try that game. Luke made some good plays that day and garnered a lot of good comments and respect from the commentators and media. Not every game was televised back then and that one just so happened to be.

Does anyone remember who that #2 QB was that day?

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Miami wasn't Luke's debut. It was a road game against Tulsa. I was at that game. Maxie Causey was ineffective, and they took the redshirt off of Luke. The rest, as they say, is history. We didn't play Miami until four weeks later, a week after playing at Auburn. Luke made both of those games way more competitive than they should have been.

It is quite possible I was wrong:)

The Miami game just sticks in my head as the one for some reason, of course I have slept a lot since then. Luke did make us competitive, maybe the Miami game is where he set a team or stadium record for most passing attempts? Something makes that game stand out, just not sure.

Since we are all trying to remember things, and you seem to have a better memory than mine, didn't Stallworth transfer out that year to an FCS?

I though it was the K State game. I was there but really don't remember that. I do remember telling one of the K State fans that Stallworth was the one who threw the winning TD pass against Alabama the year before. Also remember it was 126 degrees in the stands.

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This is the point that most people are too blind in their anger at J'Mar to remember. Westin Elliot joined our football team as a walk-on after spending one season as a backup at a junior college. He was a full qualifier who had no offers out of high school. He had no offers out of junior college. He was a tall, lanky project who might one day become a decent QB, but most likely was just going to be a practice arm for his career. I'm not trying to disparage him. I don't know him personally. But when you take a juco QB as a walk-on, that's usually the case.

The situation that he joined quickly became different, as two of the QBs ahead of him transferred out and he found himself put on scholarship as the primary backup. He's not ready. He probably won't ever be ready. But he's the only other QB who's not redshirting (unless you count Belton, who's listed as a WR/QB). If he had shown that he was ready to play during practice, I'm pretty sure he would be playing at this point. But you guys want to just throw him to the wolves because J'Mar isn't what we thought he was going to be.

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Close but not exactly. Elliot initially committed in early May as a preferred walk-on who Skip promised a scholarship as soon as one came available. He just had to wait for someone to transfer. By the time he enrolled in summer school, he had the scholarship that Skip promised.

He didn't get to start at his high school until his senior season when most DI schools already had their QB commits.

The QB he was backing up at Blinn was a UCLA transfer until the UCLA guy got hurt midway through the season, which gave him an opportunity to start.

He had several DII offers out of high school but chose to go juco instead. Then out of Blinn, he chose Tech over scholarship offers from Boise State, North Texas, and UTEP, and a preferred walk-on offer from South Carolina.

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It is quite possible I was wrong:)

The Miami game just sticks in my head as the one for some reason, of course I have slept a lot since then. Luke did make us competitive, maybe the Miami game is where he set a team or stadium record for most passing attempts? Something makes that game stand out, just not sure.

Since we are all trying to remember things, and you seem to have a better memory than mine, didn't Stallworth transfer out that year to an FCS?

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Luke did set a record for most passing attempts during that game. He went 42-for-72 for 418 yards with 3 TDs and 3 INTs. A week earlier at Auburn he set the school record for most completions in a game, going 47-for-65 for 433 yards with 4 TDs and 2 INTs. After those two games, I think all of us thought Luke would challenge Rattay for the greatest QB in school history. Unfortunately, in my opinion, he regressed his final two years. (Of course, it didn't help that he didn't have the same type of playmakers, and Ryan Moats also turned in two of the three best seasons in school history.)

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I though it was the K State game. I was there but really don't remember that. I do remember telling one of the K State fans that Stallworth was the one who threw the winning TD pass against Alabama the year before. Also remember it was 126 degrees in the stands.

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Honestly, I lost track of Stallworth after that year. I was at the K-State game, complete with my "Stallworth for Heisman" poster. It was a miserable start to the season, and things got worse from there. If he did transfer, there's no record of him taking a snap after the 2000 season. This story, however, has him at Central Arkansas in 2001. This 2002 preview of UCA says that Stallworth was one of two QBs for the Bears in 2001.

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Close but not exactly. Elliot initially committed in early May as a preferred walk-on who Skip promised a scholarship as soon as one came available. He just had to wait for someone to transfer. By the time he enrolled in summer school, he had the scholarship that Skip promised.

He didn't get to start at his high school until his senior season when most DI schools already had their QB commits.

The QB he was backing up at Blinn was a UCLA transfer until the UCLA guy got hurt midway through the season, which gave him an opportunity to start.

He had several DII offers out of high school but chose to go juco instead. Then out of Blinn, he chose Tech over scholarship offers from Boise State, North Texas, and UTEP, and a preferred walk-on offer from South Carolina.

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This story by Sean Isabella does not say he had scholarship offers from those schools. He said they "talked scholarships." That's not an official offer, just like we didn't give him an official offer.

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This story by Jimmy Watson does not say he had scholarship offers from those schools. He said they "talked scholarships." That's not an official offer, just like we didn't give him an official offer.

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That was written by Sean. Wording is vague.

This article says "Elliott picked Louisiana Tech over an opportunity at North Texas. He said that Boise State, Washington State and South Carolina also showed interest." http://www.mrt.com/aboutus/article/COLLEGE-FOOTBALL-Former-MCS-QB-heading-to-11186714.php

Sounds like a similar offer from UNT. Wording is vague again.

Regardless, he's not some intramural star who just showed up at walk-on tryouts and made the team. Tech recruited him and landed him over other programs that also wanted his services. He's been on scholarship here from Day 1 and threw a TD pass against Mississippi State his one opportunity he's been given.

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Close but not exactly. Elliot initially committed in early May as a preferred walk-on who Skip promised a scholarship as soon as one came available. He just had to wait for someone to transfer. By the time he enrolled in summer school, he had the scholarship that Skip promised.

He didn't get to start at his high school until his senior season when most DI schools already had their QB commits.

The QB he was backing up at Blinn was a UCLA transfer until the UCLA guy got hurt midway through the season, which gave him an opportunity to start.

He had several DII offers out of high school but chose to go juco instead. Then out of Blinn, he chose Tech over scholarship offers from Boise State, North Texas, and UTEP, and a preferred walk-on offer from South Carolina.

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Say what you will, but Westin Elliott gets rid of the football QUICKLY....very quickly. Watch this video from his high school days. Elliott never holds the ball more than 2 or 3 seconds, and he will throw to a pass pattern.....meaning, he doesn't wait for his receiver to get WIDE OPEN before throwing the football. He'll throw it to where the WR is going. This "quick release" is what we witnessed on his long 90+ yard TD drive against Miss Stat in his one appearance.

I'm not saying Elliott will be All-World. He may turn out to be awful. But after the way J'Mar has disappointed, Elliott deserves every bit of the same chance that J'Mar got.

https://247sports.com/player/westin-elliott-81884

Hudl has videos of him in JC and he runs a very similar offense. In my watching him he makes the same throws J'mar does . We need a spark and he and Boston get my vote.

It doesn't matter if we pulled him out of a cardboard box in an alley, or if we out bid Alabama for him. All things being equal with the line and RB's he can't overthrow or skip more balls off the ground into the receivers and backs than J'mar has this season.

I defended J'Mar early in the season because play calling from the staff has been an issue before this year at times, and it was going to happen again. Playing calling is still part of the issue, but he hasn't progressed at all, and he isn't going to suddenly turn it around in game 10. Give the other kid a shot, and if he does the same or better with all the injuries at least you know what you have, and you decide you can make it work with them next year or you know you have to go get somebody for next year whether it is a freshman or a JC transfer.

Losing against UTSA, FAU, and possibly UTEP doing the exact same thing as now is only going to drive more people away, and not going help prepare for next season.

Skip gets a bad year based off the prior success to this point, BUT he gets one! We can't afford to stick with people on a downhill slide like we have in the past. There have to be changes to the staff and to game management after this season. He won't change from here till the end of the season.

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Originally Posted by theprofessor

Luke did set a record for most passing attempts during that game. He went 42-for-72 for 418 yards with 3 TDs and 3 INTs. A week earlier at Auburn he set the school record for most completions in a game, going 47-for-65 for 433 yards with 4 TDs and 2 INTs. After those two games, I think all of us thought Luke would challenge Rattay for the greatest QB in school history. Unfortunately, in my opinion, he regressed his final two years. (Of course, it didn't help that he didn't have the same type of playmakers, and Ryan Moats also turned in two of the three best seasons in school history.)



Honestly, I lost track of Stallworth after that year. I was at the K-State game, complete with my "Stallworth for Heisman" poster. It was a miserable start to the season, and things got worse from there. If he did transfer, there's no record of him taking a snap after the 2000 season. This story, however, has him at Central Arkansas in 2001. This 2002 preview of UCA says that Stallworth was one of two QBs for the Bears in 2001.

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Stallworth had a decent year with UCA (playing for Clint Conque). I think I remember him getting to play in one of those FCS all-star bowls (the cactus bowl maybe).

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Originally Posted by HogDawg

Say what you will, but Westin Elliott gets rid of the football QUICKLY....very quickly. Watch this video from his high school days. Elliott never holds the ball more than 2 or 3 seconds, and he will throw to a pass pattern.....meaning, he doesn't wait for his receiver to get WIDE OPEN before throwing the football. He'll throw it to where the WR is going. This "quick release" is what we witnessed on his long 90+ yard TD drive against Miss Stat in his one appearance.

I'm not saying Elliott will be All-World. He may turn out to be awful. But after the way J'Mar has disappointed, Elliott deserves every bit of the same chance that J'Mar got.

https://247sports.com/player/westin-elliott-81884

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here is J'Mar's highschool highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB6XJ4BCx6c

http://www.hudl.com/profile/3433043/elijah-walker Elijah Walker

Eric London Caldwell Parish class of 2018 no offers as of now
Mark Laird- why didn't anyone make an offer
Trent Taylor- Late offer
Quinn Graves- don't think he had an offer.
Hunter Lee walk on- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lZEAeAZn_E

I've spent way more time than i should have trying to gather my thoughts to make a post here. My feelings are still that of one that questions the coaching staff. I've just watched enough of people that didn't get offer and highlights of J'Mar to know that even getting an offer from Tech was a poor decision. Sure he has an arm but that's where it ends.

(I base my thoughts for this post on the videos above and not what has happens this season.)

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Originally Posted by DallasDog

Skip gets a bad year based off the prior success to this point, BUT he gets one! We can't afford to stick with people on a downhill slide like we have in the past. There have to be changes to the staff and to game management after this season. He won't change from here till the end of the season.

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Bad years we can handle. Nothing Tech fans are strangers to.

The problem this year is the way we were bad. Intentional choices made us this way. Previous years we had the talent to win, and even then Skip had the same problems. Just this year the emperor has no clothes, and he has nothing to hide behind. Thats why I don't think it's that he gets a bad year- I think he's had 5 bad years but was able to stumble into wins regardless due to 1) the talent we had 2) and the atrociousness of CUSA. Both of those things are gone this year.

Edit: And it's just now looking back that his ballessness is more obvious, to me at least.

Yep, start Elliott. In my opinion, these last three games are just practice for next year. No, I haven't given up on the Dawgs!!! I'll be there for the last two home games and yelling for them as always. But, it is what it is!