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Yikes. That should give us another W.
There is an epedemic in basketball. I still think an uptempo identity would buffer us from this.
I don't know man. I'm thinking coaches have to start learning how to rebuild a team almost every season.Quote:
Originally Posted by skilldawg
Looks like that is where college basketball is headed. Yuk!Quote:
Originally Posted by boxerdog
Does all of that happen if the coach never left?
Why isnt that considered part of the problem? Coaches leave for better opportunities AFTER convincing kids/families to come play with them...but we think the problem with college sports is players leaving for better opportunities? Im confused.
Coach can be on the bench right away at his new gig...but the kids who have to leave MTSU because coach left them...have to sit out a year. Yeah...its the kids who are the problem.
Good point. Seems like everybody's always looking to upgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-n-Pony
Exactly. Except the coach is looking to upgrade from a situation that HE created. Coach Kermit lamenting the fact that this year will be rebuilding year at MTSU. Well...whose fault is that??Quote:
Originally Posted by boxerdog
He wanted to upgrade while his stock was high because he didnt believe repeated success was possible because of HIS recruiting. But if a kid tries to change his scenery for whatever reason...we assail the kid's character. Its bass ackwards to me.
I'd say most athletes are looking to upgrade from the situation they helped create as well. Nevertheless, coaches usually have tangible guarantees that incentivize their leaving whereas athletes do so out of prospective accomplishment. Many end up not upgrading afterall.
The biggest problem is that the players need to make their decisions based on something more than simply the current coaching staff. Everybody knows coaches are TEMPORARY at almost any school. With very few exceptions (Duke, UNC, etc...) coaches come and go. They always do. It's a by-product of the business. So no player should be surprised when a coach leaves their chosen school for professional reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-n-Pony
Almost all of us here on BB&B chose to attend LA Tech for one reason or another. But most of us didn't choose to transfer to another school every time a key teacher or professor left LA Tech's staff for another school. I know it's a little different for us, but it's still silly for some of these kids to be so much more in love with a coach than the institution.
Fact is, very, very few --if any-- of these kids will end up in the NBA. And if you are good enough to be drafted into the NBA, you're also good enough to play for the new coach just like you did for the old one.
Over the past 15-20 years these young men have been coached not only to learn the game, but to believe they are bigger than the game. The problem is with the system preceding college. Not high school or college.
I'd say Stapleton was a prime example of what that system does to a player.
True. I dont want to take all the responsibility from the player. I just think the rules should be similar for the player and coach. And kids pour most of their childhood working to get the skills necessary to get scholarship offers. Of course they want to play and not sit the bench. The reason many of them leave when the coach leaves is because the new coach coming in is charged with winning and winning now. He can be loyal to kids he had no part in recruiting, or put his faith in his own guys that he brings in. Which means the current guys will be ass out. Can you blame the coach for doing that or the kid for leaving?And its not about the NBA...there are hundreds of players who end up overseas or the G-league...and are happy as hell just to still be playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Thats part of the problem. The other part is the dishonesty in recruiting. If coaches were honest in their living room conversations, expectations would be better set and disappointment more easily avoided. Instead...they tell the kid all the things they THINK they want to hear just to get them on campus...even though they have little to no intention of fulfilling those promises.Removing the xfer penalty will make coaches be more accountable for their words. Much like ending prohibition helped end the mob...I think that will go a long way in helping to ease the xfer craze. Because now if a coach told a kid, "we're pretty stacked at your position for the next year or so...but if you work hard theres a good chance you earn meaningful minutes as a soph/jr"....now they HAVE to sell the institution/program more. And the kid will have realistic expectations the moment he steps on campus and wont be disappointed when he doesnt get 25mpg as a frosh like coach told him he would.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
So true. Entitlement the likes of the Clintons and "Deep State". :DQuote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I thought that if a coach left, players could transfer without penalty.
I believe that only works for signeesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
I did as well DD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
Man, so good to see you post again! Hope all is well.
When a new coach comes in, let anybody who wants to go, go. Don't recruit them to stay, don't make promises, let the kids transfer. Take your lumps in year 1. If you can recruit you will have it reloaded in year 2, setting up solid year 3 and 4. Load the roster with the new coach's guys. Get your stuff in place and don't be held back by the last guy regardless of his success or failure. The culture changed and colleges need to adapt.
Somewhere down the line the players and their handlers decided it would be best to just skip the free education part of the SIGNED letter of intent. It's like the word "decommit" which isn't a word.
Somewhere down the line the NCAA decided it was in their best interest to make the NLIs one-sided non-compete clauses.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Nothing has changed about the NLIs. They are not one sided. The athlete gets a free education to play ball which is worth THOUSANDS of dollars. NLI's are not unilateral.
If people use it, and the meaning is generally understood, how is it not a word?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Think about it. One can't uncommit or decommit. They can be a liar or dishonest or lazy or irresponsible, but decommit is not the word for any of those things. Simply put, if one thinks he can decommit, he was never commited.
"Irregardless" of what PD says, let's just decide that "decommit" is a word. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
It should be called Renege, because that is what it is.
https://memeguy.com/photos/images/af...word-38944.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Nothing has changed about the NLIs. The athlete gets a free education to play ball which is worth THOUSANDS of dollars. NLI's are not unilateral.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-n-Pony
So anyone that’s had a divorce is either a liar, dishonest, lazy or irresponsible? I guess so.
Not always both parties. It's likely that one spouse was one of the above or maybe they were just NEVER committed to each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dixonfor6
Kid signs NLI. If the school decides they dont want kid...they are free to release him with no penalty. If the kid decides he doesnt want the school...1 year penalty. Seems pretty unilateral to me. And this may come as a shock to all the grads here, but college isnt for everyone (and Im not just talking athletes). Some dont care about or need the education. Right or wrong...they want to play ball. And they should have the same flexibility as the universities do. I dont think that is asking too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I still say the easiest fix is for the NBA to adopt the MLB model -Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-n-Pony
You want to play pro ball and get paid - enter your name in the draft after your senior year in high school, if you decide to go to college you are ineligible for the draft until after your junior class where you can then be draft eligible and if you don't sign you have the option to return your senior year...
For all sports - you should have one "free" transfer if you meet certain requirements - coach leaves/fired, family issue, etc - I don't like the clearing house approach though - I think it should be at the conference level
Thats a much better option than what we have now. And its a good compromise so it should be an easy fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
The most unlikely solution...1 free xfer without penalty. Enter the draft and if you dont sign with agent and dont get drafted...you can return to college. If your school no longer has available scholly...you can xfer, but if its your 2nd xfer you have to sitout a year.
Kids like Trevon Duval at Duke. Wasnt NBA ready...wasnt drafted...but HAD to leave Duke because of incoming class. If it were REALLY about the education and the kids...he should be able to return to school and xfer wherever he can find a home.
Something like this makes way to much sense for the NC double knuckleheads to go for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
It's not the NCAA -Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
It's the NBA - their CBA controls when and what age a player becomes draft eligible
The only thing the NCAA controls is the transfer issue
Ahha