+20.5 at Miss State

What do y'all expect out of us? Define a moral victory, because that's the best we can hope for...

No injuries would be nice. We won't pick up much of a paycheck for this one thanks to you know who. Happy hoco Bulldawgs (we are the Bulldogs).

Wouldn't touch this game either way with somebody else's money.

I agree boxer, which Tech team shows up is a complete mystery.

Which team can keep in inside the spread? The one at lsu 2nd half?

This defines the problem I have with this years team. We've had several teams in the past where I just KNEW we had the talent and a real shot at beating a P5 school. This year ain't it.

I think the offense will show up very late to the party, and leave all the dirty work to the defense. After going down big early (24-7?), the Dogs will fight back to dress up the score a bit, but still lose 38-17.

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Which team can keep in inside the spread?

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Heck, they are about as unpredictable as we are. We tend to play better on the road. Scrambling qb's also kill us. Who knows?

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This defines the problem I have with this years team. We've had several teams in the past where I just KNEW we had the talent and a real shot at beating a P5 school. This year ain't it.

I think the offense will show up very late to the party, and leave all the dirty work to the defense. After going down big early (24-7?), the Dogs will fight back to dress up the score a bit, but still lose 38-17.

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Holtz needs to take his shots early. If we would stick with the running game we could stay in the game. Holtz and staff don’t understand how to shorten the game. Run the ball and play defense. We run the ball for positive yards on one down and then we empty the backfield for the other two downs and punt! Throwing the ball 2 out of 3 downs does not shorten the game. The reason our games are so damn boring! Dancy is a beast, run him 30 times a game.

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This defines the problem I have with this years team. We've had several teams in the past where I just KNEW we had the talent and a real shot at beating a P5 school. This year ain't it.

I think the offense will show up very late to the party, and leave all the dirty work to the defense. After going down big early (24-7?), the Dogs will fight back to dress up the score a bit, but still lose 38-17.

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I'll be at that game, to support our dawgs, but I think you just hit the nail on the head!

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This defines the problem I have with this years team. We've had several teams in the past where I just KNEW we had the talent and a real shot at beating a P5 school. This year ain't it.

I think the offense will show up very late to the party, and leave all the dirty work to the defense. After going down big early (24-7?), the Dogs will fight back to dress up the score a bit, but still lose 38-17.

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Ah the LSU game.

If we get that J’Mar back, lets hope the WRs dont get butter fingers in the first half and we might just have a game.

We will not run the ball against Moo State. Their defense is stout. We won't....not that we couldn't...if we had offensive coach(es) who understand traps and other misdirection options. As it is, with our 5th grade running attack, we'll get chewed up.

Fitz will enjoy a huge day...200 yards rushing...and a like number passing, account for 4 TDs and we'll get hammered. HD's 38-17 prediction is a best case scenario, I'm afraid. It'll probably be worse.

In our history this is a game where we would sneak up on someone a pull off a big victory. Their QB play is up and down wth many fans of their program wanting to see a change. That eing said this is a game that Tech does not win anymore and I think we willl lose his weekend.

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In our history this is a game where we would sneak up on someone a pull off a big victory. Their QB play is up and down wth many fans of their program wanting to see a change. That eing said this is a game that Tech does not win anymore and I think we willl lose his weekend.

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I can only recall the Alabama win in 99. Did Tech beat more Top 25 teams on the road that I'm forgetting about?

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I can only recall the Alabama win in 99. Did Tech beat more Top 25 teams on the road that I'm forgetting about?

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Not that I remember, but we’ve had some close ones. Another Bama game that we nearly won and one at Auburn come to mind.

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Not that I remember, but we’ve had some close ones. Another Bama game that we nearly won and one at Auburn come to mind.

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Perhaps Navy in 2016 (neutral site... with an asterisk since the Top 25 wasn't re-populated after their loss in their last game). Stretch, I know.

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Perhaps Navy in 2016 (neutral site... with an asterisk since the Top 25 wasn't re-populated after their loss in their last game). Stretch, I know.

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And #22 Fresno in 2005. Looking through the schedules we've had, we haven't played very many ranked opponents.

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And #22 Fresno in 2005. Looking through the schedules we've had, we haven't played very many ranked opponents.

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We have usually played one or two ranked opponents every year. That usually being a road game at some P5. This year we have that scenario twice, at LSU and at Moo State.

Beating Bama in '99 is the only win in such a game we have. Yes, we beat a ranked Fresno at home. We have battled some ranked teams, on the road, before. Took Auburn into OT, lost to a ranked Auburn 16-14 on a last second FG, but we have also been plastered by ranked teams too.

The bigger point is, in the past, we have felt we've had a chance going in to games like this. But, I don't think anyone but a delusional Sunshine Pumper realistically gives us a chance. However....I always hold out that one in 300 million chance, same odds as winning the lottery, that we can pull one out. ODU beat Vah Tech! Appy State beat Michigan! So, who knows? Just show up, do the best you can, and maybe the football gods will have a sense of humor and we'll shock the world!

We'll play loose. We play way better when we play loose. Their O is about as inconsistent as us...if they sputter, we could certainly cover a 20.5 point spread. If you wanna bet on Tech, do it now. I think the line will move our direction.

I would be pleasantly surprised if we were still in the game at halftime. Our offense will get smothered all game. JMar will melt and eventually the score gets ugly. Fitzgerald has been very inconsistent but I'm guessing they will have a run/pass balance for about 450-500 yds of total offense to our
250 yds.

Based on the way MSU has played this year, there is no reason we shouldn't be able to make this a game, but based on how we have played I just dont see it. I think State covers 41-13

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We have usually played one or two ranked opponents every year. That usually being a road game at some P5. This year we have that scenario twice, at LSU and at Moo State.

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4 of the last 6 seasons have had 0 top 25 opponents (unless you count post play against Navy which would make it 3 of the last 6).

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4 of the last 6 seasons have had 0 top 25 opponents (unless you count post play against Navy which would make it 3 of the last 6).

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Excuse D80. He looks at polls that are insignificant :icon_razz:

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We have usually played one or two ranked opponents every year. That usually being a road game at some P5. This year we have that scenario twice, at LSU and at Moo State.

Beating Bama in '99 is the only win in such a game we have. Yes, we beat a ranked Fresno at home. We have battled some ranked teams, on the road, before. Took Auburn into OT, lost to a ranked Auburn 16-14 on a last second FG, but we have also been plastered by ranked teams too.

The bigger point is, in the past, we have felt we've had a chance going in to games like this. But, I don't think anyone but a delusional Sunshine Pumper realistically gives us a chance. However....I always hold out that one in 300 million chance, same odds as winning the lottery, that we can pull one out. ODU beat Vah Tech! Appy State beat Michigan! So, who knows? Just show up, do the best you can, and maybe the football gods will have a sense of humor and we'll shock the world!

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we beat Miles his last year before moving to LSU ---- call me a REALISTIC sunshine pumper -- I knew from day one that we were desparate for money so we would play 4 $$$ games --Dooley insisted on 2- no more than that -- I assume an SEC team will wear us out with depth -- as a sun shiner I expect to lose some games and move on. I was in Florida when the beat us about 77-0 and they threw 50 yard TD on last play. At game in Huston dome when their QB set passin TD record - sportsdawg and my other sons were on field -disaster BUT we had a heck of a season and tied Maryland in I Bowl.

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we beat Miles his last year before moving to LSU ---- call me a REALISTIC sunshine pumper -- I knew from day one that we were desparate for money so we would play 4 $$$ games --Dooley insisted on 2- no more than that -- I assume an SEC team will wear us out with depth -- as a sun shiner I expect to lose some games and move on. I was in Florida when the beat us about 77-0 and they threw 50 yard TD on last play. At game in Huston dome when their QB set passin TD record - sportsdawg and my other sons were on field -disaster BUT we had a heck of a season and tied Maryland in I Bowl.

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I am with you on this. I don't think our chances are very good at MState, unless we just catch fire on offense. If we lose, though, we will be 6-3 and I will expect to keep winning after that! Don't take my "sunshine" post as believing we will lose. No matter how bad we have been playing, I ALWAYS expect to win!

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I can only recall the Alabama win in 99. Did Tech beat more Top 25 teams on the road that I'm forgetting about?

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I wasn't really thinking only in terms of "Top 25 teams on the road". I was thinking more about BCS/P5 teams. We have won several of those games over the years. Under Skip we do not fair well in those games only one win early in his tenure against a team who finished with a losing record. But we lost some very winnable games against P5 opponents.

But I understand your line of thinking, "we suck and we have always sucked." We are having another nice season this year, but with a couple of tweaks we could be mentioned with the UCF's, USF's and Houston's of the college football world.

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I wasn't really thinking only in terms of "Top 25 teams on the road". I was thinking more about BCS/P5 teams. We have won several of those games over the years. Under Skip we do not fair well in those games only one win early in his tenure against a team who finished with a losing record. But we lost some very winnable games against P5 opponents.

But I understand your line of thinking, "we suck and we have always sucked." We are having another nice season this year, but with a couple of tweaks we could be mentioned with the UCF's, USF's and Houston's of the college football world.

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That's not my line of thinking. I was just stating the facts that Tech doesn't do well against Top 25 teams. We can hold our own against pretty good P5 teams (as has Skip), with the occasional win (like Skip), but we've only beat 1 ranked P5 team (Alabama in 1999).

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That's not my line of thinking. I was just stating the facts that Tech doesn't do well against Top 25 teams. We can hold our own against pretty good P5 teams (as has Skip), with the occasional win (like Skip), but we've only beat 1 ranked P5 team (Alabama in 1999).

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We can hold our own against pretty good P5 teams (as has Skip) You mean the 2016 game against 7-6 Arkansas? And, the 2017 game against South Carolina? Any other games where we "held our own against" good P5 teams.

with the occasional win (like Skip) You must mean the win against 6-7 Illinois. I think that's his only win against a P5 team. His record is 1-10 against the P5. This includes losing to 4 loses to teams that finished with losing records, including a blow-out loss to a 3-9 NC State team. I suppose when your record is 1-10 you dress it up anyway you can.

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We can hold our own against pretty good P5 teams (as has Skip) You mean the 2016 game against 7-6 Arkansas? And, the 2017 game against South Carolina? Any other games where we "held our own against" good P5 teams.

with the occasional win (like Skip) You must mean the win against 6-7 Illinois. I think that's his only win against a P5 team. His record is 1-10 against the P5. This includes losing to 4 loses to teams that finished with losing records, including a blow-out loss to a 3-9 NC State team. I suppose when your record is 1-10 you dress it up anyway you can.

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Double OT loss at Kansas State (6-7). Skip won several games over Top 25 teams when he was at ECU. He beat Notre Dame on the road when he was at USF. He's proven to be a decent coach in his career. Not great, but not bad either.

Are we getting a paycheck to go to Starkville? How much?

7-6 Arkansas with a backup QB.
South Carolina. Kansas State. All pretty mid-level, all held our own.

Most of the worst came in the first year. We havent played a BAD P5 team since that year. 2012 and 2013 were full of BAD P5 teams.

Skip’s win over the Illini is far better than any P5 win Dykes got in 2011 or 2012. If you want those wins, lets schedule more trash P5s.

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Skip’s win over the Illini is far better than any P5 win Dykes got in 2011 or 2012. If you want those wins, lets schedule more trash P5s.

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our AD says they won't play us. Says they are scared. The "big money" folks believe that horse crap

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our AD says they won't play us. Says they are scared. The "big money" folks believe that horse crap

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We've had easier schedules since the Bicknell days. We used to play #2, #5, and #17 in the same year. We don't see much of that anymore.

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We've had easier schedules since the Bicknell days. We used to play #2, #5, and #17 in the same year. We don't see much of that anymore.

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Double OT loss at Kansas State (6-7). Skip won several games over Top 25 teams when he was at ECU. He beat Notre Dame on the road when he was at USF. He's proven to be a decent coach in his career. Not great, but not bad either.

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Oh if you want to count losses to teams with losing records, yeah Skip has a few of those.

If Skip was so great at ECU and USF, let's see if they will take him back. Here is a link to the USF board. https://www.thebullspen.com/

Let me know how that goes. :laugh:

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our AD says they won't play us. Says they are scared. The "big money" folks believe that horse crap

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I don't think we scare too many of the big boys anymore. We are 1-10 under Skip against the P5. Much more of this and we are going to start becoming homecoming opponents. I mean we are a cheap opponent and a sure win.

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Oh if you want to count losses to teams with losing records, yeah Skip has a few of those.

If Skip was so great at ECU and USF, let's see if they will take him back. Here is a link to the USF board. https://www.thebullspen.com/

Let me know how that goes. :laugh:

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You are trying to change the conversation. The original conversation was "holding our own against P5 teams."

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Oh if you want to count losses to teams with losing records, yeah Skip has a few of those.

If Skip was so great at ECU and USF, let's see if they will take him back. Here is a link to the USF board. https://www.thebullspen.com/

Let me know how that goes. :laugh:

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Bet ECU would love him right now.

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You are trying to change the conversation. The original conversation was "holding our own against P5 teams."

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Huh? Here is your post from earlier.

We can hold our own against pretty good P5 teams (as has Skip), with the occasional win (like Skip), but we've only beat 1 ranked P5 team (Alabama in 1999).

As you can plainly see you are the one who made the statement that Skip can hold his own against pretty good P5 teams. Then you start listing close games against teams with losing records, holding them up as pretty good teams. So how did I change the subject?

When debating a point with someone, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

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You might be right, but that AAC East where ECU plays is loaded with teams from the old Big East. Not so sure your boy Skip would be very successful coaching in that conference.

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But I am sure we are both in agreement that USF wouldn't take him back, right?

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I am with you on this. I don't think our chances are very good at MState, unless we just catch fire on offense. If we lose, though, we will be 6-3 and I will expect to keep winning after that! Don't take my "sunshine" post as believing we will lose. No matter how bad we have been playing, I ALWAYS expect to win!

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For now, you can be tagged a "Partly Cloudy" Pumper!

Who did this BVDV or our current deal maker? This weekend would be the "second part"? Will our beat writer be able to figure out this series and ask our AD why we got such a crappy deal?

In 2015, Tech received $700,000 for a trip to Kansas State and $500,000 to play at Mississippi State. The lower amount to play at Mississippi State stems from an agreement that amounted to a three-game series with a game guarantee and a home-and-home series with no money exchanged. The first part of the home-and-home series comes in 2017 when Tech hosts Mississippi State on Sept. 9.

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For now, you can be tagged a "Partly Cloudy" Pumper!

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Not in champ110's case, he's a "Partly Sunny" Pumper. The glass is always half full with him.

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Huh? Here is your post from earlier.

We can hold our own against pretty good P5 teams (as has Skip), with the occasional win (like Skip), but we've only beat 1 ranked P5 team (Alabama in 1999).

As you can plainly see you are the one who made the statement that Skip can hold his own against pretty good P5 teams. Then you start listing close games against teams with losing records, holding them up as pretty good teams. So how did I change the subject?

When debating a point with someone, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

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Does it matter? Tech can’t beat a ‘good’ P5 team this century no matter who the coach is. He’s been able to hang with the mediocre-decent ones. He has beaten one. The one he beat has a losing record because they lost to us. Starting with the 2014 season, the only ones with losing records he has lost to are Texas Tech and Kansas State (lost to Arkansas in a bowl.) The rest are;

2014: Auburn (8-5), Oklahoma (8-5)

2015: MissState (9-4)

2016: Arkansas (7-6)

2017: SouthCar (9-4), MissState (9-4)

2018: LSU (7-1)

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Bet ECU would love him right now.

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Then why don’t they hire him?

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Then why don’t they hire him?

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He'd be gone if somebody wanted him.

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The point, which I am sure you probably got, is that they stink.

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Who did this BVDV or our current deal maker? This weekend would be the "second part"? Will our beat writer be able to figure out this series and ask our AD why we got such a crappy deal?

In 2015, Tech received $700,000 for a trip to Kansas State and $500,000 to play at Mississippi State. The lower amount to play at Mississippi State stems from an agreement that amounted to a three-game series with a game guarantee and a home-and-home series with no money exchanged. The first part of the home-and-home series comes in 2017 when Tech hosts Mississippi State on Sept. 9.

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Why even bother to go?

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I don't remember who set this up. Whoever it was, it was a HORRIBLE deal and we have "very negative posters" pointing it out when it happened. We also had future BTB (the positive ones) who said it was a great deal.

Now do that math an tell us how great it was.

I’m with Blue, why bother going?

It's Tuesday in Game Week. It's the day "hope springs eternal."

Moo State is good. We know that. They are one of the best 2, or best 3, given UAB is actually as good as they appear to be, we will play this year. Their strength is defense, which I think is actually, talent-wise, the best defense we will see this year. Better than LSU's and better than UAB's. Moo State's problems have been on the offensive side. In the LSU game, which they lost 19-3, their D stymied LSU, but they got no help from their offense, and the D was constantly put in a predicament, and eventually wore down.

So, no, I don't expect our unimaginative offense to somehow overcome State's defense and win this game. Yes, it would be nice for us to try on offense...a little. Some new wrinkles. Something different. Something none of us have seen before out of Holtz. But, alas, this is Holtz, so perish that thought. The best we can hope for...and I hate to say this...is business as usual from Holtz/Smith on offense. No turnovers....no 90-yard fumbles....no bonehead plays on offense, or in special teams. The offense has to make some plays, yes. Can't afford a bunch of 3 and outs, or even a great effort from our D will not pay off, they will wear down. Can't miss FGs. Can't have lousy 20 yard punts.

Defense. Really simple, to spring the upset we need the Frisco defense to show up. A couple of defensive TDs, forcing turnovers to set up our offense, and a turnover to thwart a State scoring drive will be enough for us to win this game. State is pathetic on offense. Their best weapon, almost their only weapon, is Fitz's running. He's horrible as a pocket passer. Need a spy, or spies, on him every play. Do NOT let him beat us with his running. Even if that means he enjoys more success thru the air, that's a tradeoff we need to make.

Do not blitz! That will force him out of the pocket and then it's all bets off. Nope! contain him. Keep him in the pocket. Led by Ferguson our DL is good enough to get some pressure on him when in the pocket. Let that be enough. CONTAIN HIM!

IF all of that happens, it will be a close, competitive, defensive battle in the 4th qtr. Then we'll have our "puncher's chance" to pull it out.

I'd take Miss State at 20.5 points. No way this one is even close. We're gonna get cremated.

J'Mar freaks out because he can't have his 6+ seconds in the pocket. We get creamed. 45-10

Not even close. MSU blitzes relentlessly, knowing Tech's QB cannot read the blitz and doesn't know the hot routes or can't figure them out quickly enough.

Gonna be brutal. Remember last time, their coach will not let up.

I hope Skip won’t get our Rbs “killed” with his Qb draw plays

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I'd take Miss State at 20.5 points. No way this one is even close. We're gonna get cremated.

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Not even close. MSU blitzes relentlessly, knowing Tech's QB cannot read the blitz and doesn't know the hot routes or can't figure them out quickly enough.

Gonna be brutal. Remember last time, their coach will not let up.

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Last year their coach was Dan Mullen, he is now the head coach at Florida. Their new coach is Joe Moorhead, they also have a new OC (Luke Getsy). Hopefully the result will not be like last season.

As long as we havent had it circled on our calendar.

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Kam McKnight is the closest rb we have to this.

I just heard this afternoon that J'Mar Smith changed his jersey number. Did anyone else hear about this yet? Apparently its true. He changed it from #8 to #3 and out. :laugh:




That one is courtesy of DFIH this morning.

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I just heard this afternoon that J'Mar Smith changed his jersey number. Did anyone else hear about this yet? Apparently its true. He changed it from #8 to #3 and out. :laugh:

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What is up with Smith's jersey any way? The back around the name looks weird! "3 and out" is definitely appropriate!

They seem to have strengths where we have deficiencies. But winning games can create a weird animal. I expect a brawl.

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They seem to have strengths where we have deficiencies. But winning games can create a weird animal. I expect a brawl.

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I have no idea what to expect. Is the OLine healthy again or are we still missing a few bodies?

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I have no idea what to expect. Is the OLine healthy again or are we still missing a few bodies?

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I'm not sure. I really don't know what's going to happen either and I definitely wouldn't place a bet either way.

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I'm not sure. I really don't know what's going to happen either and I definitely wouldn't place a bet either way.

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If the OLine is healthy, I think we make a game of it.

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What is up with Smith's jersey any way? The back around the name looks weird! "3 and out" is definitely appropriate!

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Yeah, I know, Smith's jersey is like everything else about him...just not quite right.

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Last year their coach was Dan Mullen, he is now the head coach at Florida. Their new coach is Joe Moorhead, they also have a new OC (Luke Getsy). Hopefully the result will not be like last season.

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Ok, thanks for the correction.

+23 now

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If we had another coach, I'd be tempted to place a bet with +23. But then again, if we had another coach the line would be nowhere near +23.

Maybe I'm viewing this through rose-colored, or royal blue-colored, glasses but I just don't think we're gonna get blown out. The defense has been doing a good job, and I think we'll bottle up the very mediocre Moo State offense. Just have to contain Fitz. If our O doesn't kill us....remember last year we had numerous turnovers, a 90 yard fumble return for a TD by them, that was at least a 10-pt swing, we had that 90 yard fumble, which took at least 3 pts off the board for us. And we didn't contain Fitz at all who ran all over us.

I just think if the Dawgs, all three units, play well, don't help the other guys, we'll be right there in the 4th qtr. We might be down 10 pts or so, but still, you have a "puncher's chance" to pull out a win. Smith could heave a long ball down field and one of our WRs makes a play....TD! And we know our defense is very capable of scoring, with pick-6's and such.

In our two losses this year, we got out-defensed. Moo State, I think, is better on defense than both LSU and UAB. But! they both have better offenses. Stop Fitz from running, and Moo State is stymied.

Or maybe I am just being silly and we'll get smoked 52-6.

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Maybe I'm viewing this through rose-colored, or royal blue-colored, glasses but I just don't think we're gonna get blown out. The defense has been doing a good job, and I think we'll bottle up the very mediocre Moo State offense. Just have to contain Fitz. If our O doesn't kill us....remember last year we had numerous turnovers, a 90 yard fumble return for a TD by them, that was at least a 10-pt swing, we had that 90 yard fumble, which took at least 3 pts off the board for us. And we didn't contain Fitz at all who ran all over us.

I just think if the Dawgs, all three units, play well, don't help the other guys, we'll be right there in the 4th qtr. We might be down 10 pts or so, but still, you have a "puncher's chance" to pull out a win. Smith could heave a long ball down field and one of our WRs makes a play....TD! And we know our defense is very capable of scoring, with pick-6's and such.

In our two losses this year, we got out-defensed. Moo State, I think, is better on defense than both LSU and UAB. But! they both have better offenses. Stop Fitz from running, and Moo State is stymied.

Or maybe I am just being silly and we'll get smoked 52-6.

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Yeah, but the two bolded statements are what give me the heebie jeebies!

I predict our offense will struggle most of the time and MSU's will not struggle as much as ours. It will be frustrating and we will complain about the QB and the coach win or lose. :)

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If we had another coach, I'd be tempted to place a bet with +23. But then again, if we had another coach the line would be nowhere near +23.

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My thoughts are the same as they were before the LSU game. Don't think we have much of a shot to win, but we'll cover.

Unless we have an offense performance 400+ yards we will get rolled. Our most productive game offensively I believe was against LSU, our defense is playing well, but they will tire if they stay out there all night because our offense is 3 and out over and over. That field position will start leading to points later in game as well because they will be defending against the short field and a mobile QB.

Fitz has not been the same since injury. If Jaylon gets to him early, it could affect his whole game.

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Fitz has not been the same since injury. If Jaylon gets to him early, it could affect his whole game.

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Did you see or hear about his game last week against A&M? Over 300 yards passing and rushing, 4 TD's. He was a freakshow. I hope you are right about Jaylon getting to him or at least in his head. Perhaps he will go back into his slump this week, but I bet he is pretty confident. Either way I do not see a repeat of last years blowout.

I can't predict a score against the dogs, but I hope we are all very very surprised with a positive outcome this weekend. That would put a much needed spark of excitement(Ok a fire) back in the season. People like to watch exciting teams- and our fans expect that from our years of high flying offenses. Jaylon's sacks are the most exciting thing for TECH fans these days- and he is fun to watch.

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Did you see or hear about his game last week against A&M? Over 300 yards passing and rushing, 4 TD's. He was a freakshow. I hope you are right about Jaylon getting to him or at least in his head. Perhaps he will go back into his slump this week, but I bet he is pretty confident. Either way I do not see a repeat of last years blowout.

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Fitzgerald reminds me of Colon Pumpernickel ( Colin Kaepernick) when he runs. Huge long strides. I watched most of that game, and he was outstanding.

I haven’t watched, but how did A&M fare against other good competition? Just trying to understand if MSU played that much better or if A&M is not very good.

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Fitz has not been the same since injury. If Jaylon gets to him early, it could affect his whole game.

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He looked good vs. aTm.

My head tells me this one gets ugly. Heart always hopes I'm wrong.

35-14 them and much weeping and gnashing of teeth on BB&B.

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35-14 them and much weeping and gnashing of teeth on BB&B.

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There will be anyway.

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There will be anyway.

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Win or lose.

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Win or lose.

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And I am chief among sinners.

Up to 24. Vegas knows.

Yeah, I’d put my money on MSU. Running QBs can really hurt us.

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Sometimes.

Well, apparently there won't be whining, gnashing of teeth, and griping after we lose to Moo State. Everyone seems to think we're gonna get donkey-stomped, so when something happens you expect, what's there to complain about? The Sunshine Pumpers will be thrilled getting hammered, reminding us we are 6-3, bowl-bound!, so shut up and enjoy the ride. The realists will be....real, saying, well, this was expected, what's the use of griping?

I was trying to channel some positive vibes, posting how we could actually compete, and then who knows...funnier things have happened. But, after reading post after post all predicting a 3 TD beat down, I'm done.

To Dawg80's point, I think the bolded part below says it all for me.

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This defines the problem I have with this years team. We've had several teams in the past where I just KNEW we had the talent and a real shot at beating a P5 school. This year ain't it.

I think the offense will show up very late to the party, and leave all the dirty work to the defense. After going down big early (24-7?), the Dogs will fight back to dress up the score a bit, but still lose 38-17.

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Heart says- just relax and enjoy, it’s just a pay to play game

Head says- Wait a hot minute... who negotiated this crap deal?

If we keep it 3 TD’s or less, I’m ecstatic!!

I am the Sunshine Pumper and OMG they love to misrepresent me== I saw us beat Alabama twice live--I saw us beat Ole Miss ( the fans bailed at half time ) But I was at the Florida game when we lost 77-0 and Houston with my sons on sideline when we were destroyed BUT THOSE DAYS ARE GONE!! as the most ridiculed Sunshiner ( which I am proud of) I expect a game similar to Texas AM in Shreveport , I did not bail at halftime . The Poinsetta Bowl vs TCU etc--- I have never missed a bowl in 50 years and pretty goofy to say us die-hards are "thrilled to be hammered" -- we pumpers expect us to be competitive and outgrew the getting hammered $$ game mentality--- THIS IS FOR THE CASUAL readers of BBB -- its about 8-10 Vampires who dislike Pumpers who refuse posting negative because we we have seen our program facilities, talent and days of UT Arlington, Mcneese,behind us ... So get this right -- I do not expect to be hammered and sure as heck believe LSU is better than Miss State and I took Tech and 23 -- believe in our Defense and hopefully we get our running game going.

inference we happy with 6-3?? hell no! we expect to be at 9 wins and a bowl -- yeah, Southern miss is 34 wins and 15 losses against Tech lifetime but I watched Charlette embarrass them last nite on youtube --QB thew several picks and fumble -

I am like that proud father who sees more good in their kids and grandkids , yeah I see the faults in them but I see more good --LIFE is so much happier that way -- I will not put Go Dogs because HOGDAWG does not like that ... but he does like "gotta love it" from Dave like I do ...

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Heart says- just relax and enjoy, it’s just a pay to play game

Head says- Wait a hot minute... who negotiated this crap deal?

If we keep it 3 TD’s or less, I’m ecstatic!!

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I am the Sunshine Pumper and OMG they love to misrepresent me== I saw us beat Alabama twice live--I saw us beat Ole Miss ( the fans bailed at half time ) But I was at the Florida game when we lost 77-0 and Houston with my sons on sideline when we were destroyed BUT THOSE DAYS ARE GONE!! as the most ridiculed Sunshiner ( which I am proud of) I expect a game similar to Texas AM in Shreveport , I did not bail at halftime . The Poinsetta Bowl vs TCU etc--- I have never missed a bowl in 50 years and pretty goofy to say us die-hards are "thrilled to be hammered" -- we pumpers expect us to be competitive and outgrew the getting hammered $$ game mentality--- THIS IS FOR THE CASUAL readers of BBB -- its about 8-10 Vampires who dislike Pumpers who refuse posting negative because we we have seen our program facilities, talent and days of UT Arlington, Mcneese,behind us ... So get this right -- I do not expect to be hammered and sure as heck believe LSU is better than Miss State and I took Tech and 23 -- believe in our Defense and hopefully we get our running game going.

inference we happy with 6-3?? hell no! we expect to be at 9 wins and a bowl -- yeah, Southern miss is 34 wins and 15 losses against Tech lifetime but I watched Charlette embarrass them last nite on youtube --QB thew several picks and fumble -

I am like that proud father who sees more good in their kids and grandkids , yeah I see the faults in them but I see more good --LIFE is so much happier that way -- I will not put Go Dogs because HOGDAWG does not like that ... but he does like "gotta love it" from Dave like I do ...

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Does this mean you are taking Tech and 24?

We lost to UF 77-0? What year was that? (yes, look it up...) I was there for the 60-0 loss to UH, with Andre Ware at QB.

Who bailed at halftime of the aTm game? I assume you mean the 2012 game. I didn't even bail on that 60-0 game...I stayed until the clock read 0:00. In fact, I have "bailed" just one time EVER on Tech, and that was a MBB game at Centenary when we had Tiger and G and Zach Johnson and managed to get drilled by the Gents, and I had had enough and walked out with less than 2 mins on the clock, the Dawgs down by about 12 pts. That's it. Have never left early at a Tech football game...never. Back to that MBB game, I feel bad about it till this day. I was frustrated, yes, but shouldn't have quit on the Dawgs.

To me Sunshine Pumpers = Flamers and neither have any credibility. Things are neither "all great" or "all horrible." I prefer Realists who call a spade, a spade. When a Realist heaps praise they mean it, because they are also quick to lay blame or level criticism. CREDIBILITY.

Florida 41-3 http://www.espn.com/college-football...meId=252530057
Florida State 66-3 http://www.winsipedia.com/florida-st...louisiana-tech

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Florida 41-3 http://www.espn.com/college-football...meId=252530057
Florida State 66-3 http://www.winsipedia.com/florida-st...louisiana-tech

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I went all the way back to 1950 and couldn't find a 0-77 game vs. UF. Maybe it was pre-WWII.

BTW, what I did notice, when Aillet was coach, with just a few minor tweaks, we played the exact same schedule (10 games) every year! Often in the same order, just switching sites, home/home. Man! scheduling was easy back then.

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as the most ridiculed Sunshiner ( which I am proud of)

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Just to clarify ...

You’re not the most ridiculed because you’re a sunshine pumper. You are ridiculed bc you always talk about what a great fan you are. (And, to a lesser degree, bragging about your wealth.)