Presidential Election 2020

Here we go...

Poll among Democrat voters, who do you support for the Dem nominee:

Joe Biden 26%
Bernie Sanders 18%
Beto O'Rourke 8%

and that's all I've seen, don't know what the rest of the results are. Yes! it's very early. But, it's not totally unusual, though such polls don't usually start until January after midterms.

Not surprising Biden has an early lead. He's a known commodity, an establishment guy, with name recognition. And! he would currently be president had he been the Dem nominee in '16. But, most likely, that was his chance and his time has past by. Crazy Bernie Sanders has a nice following, name recognition now, and a core of supporters, so he'll be a factor in the bid for the nomination, but, nah. I think, the guy sitting in 3rd is the Dems' best hope for 2020.

There's some talk of Krooked Killary running again. And, if she were to get the nomination, she would beat Trump in a rematch. But, I doubt...well, first, that she runs, but if she does, she'll get smoked in the primaries. I see her trailing the those three for sure...provided they run and make an effort, and probably being nosed out by another candidate or two. Meaning. if KKK runs, and sticks it out long enough, she'll be languishing in 5th or 6th place.

Trump will lose to Biden, KKK, and O'Rourke. He would probably hang on vs. Sanders, and against any of the other crazies out there likely to get the Dem nomination.

Joe Biden is dense, and a little creepy....but overall, he's a likable fellow. Kind of like Jimmy Carter, not a bad person, just totally out-to-lunch in policy, management, and governing matters. It would be close, but Biden would take the WH, due in large part to an anti-Trump vote. Like Trump was the beneficiary of the anti-Killary vote (myself included). Sanders is too radical and can not win an open national election. He would carry the really nutso places like Mass...maybe Vermont, Minnysoda, DC, and California, and not much else.

But...O'Rourke has positioned himself to be a truly viable, national candidate. I think, unless someone else emerges out of nowhere, the 2020 Presidential Election is his to lose. Don't do, or say!!! stupid things, and he's got it. The question is, can he build a national organization? No reason he can't UNLESS the Dem establishment decides it's not his turn and they get behind a Biden or a Warren, or some ditz like that. Even if they do, O'Rourke can still win the nomination, but it'll be a struggle, and he'll have to move so far to the left during the primaries that Trump would use that against him in the general election. If "Dem Nation" adopts O'Rourke as their guy, gets behind him, and all pull together, he's got it in a cakewalk.

Or! I could be dead wrong and it'll be Jeb Bush vs. KKK in 2020. :icon_roll:

For Beto or for worse...

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

For Beto or for worse...

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Maybe the only guy who could unify the establishment and the Bernie folks.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Maybe the only guy who could unify the establishment and the Bernie folks.

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And independents.

Don't forget CPL (Creepy Porn Lawyer), Spartacus and Hillary :laugh:

Oh CPL was arrested today for domestic violence against his estranged wife.. Wonder if CNN is going to have him back to ask him about these charges.. :icon_roll:

http://www.tmz.com/2018/11/14/michae...iels-attorney/

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Originally Posted by FriscoDog

Don't forget CPL (Creepy Porn Lawyer), Spartacus and Hillary :laugh:

Oh CPL was arrested today for domestic violence against his estranged wife.. Wonder if CNN is going to have him back to ask him about these charges.. :icon_roll:

http://www.tmz.com/2018/11/14/michae...iels-attorney/

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Obviously working on his resume to run as a Republican.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Obviously working on his resume to run as a Republican.

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Yeah, right, like Dems never commit domestic violence. You claim to be independent, but I don’t think you could move any farther left. You’re a discusting hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by Bulldawg81

Yeah, right, like Dems never commit domestic violence. You claim to be independent, but I don’t think you could move any farther left. You’re a discusting hypocrite.

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The Republican brand has a big nasty stain on it right now.

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Originally Posted by Bulldawg81

Yeah, right, like Dems never commit domestic violence. You claim to be independent, but I don’t think you could move any farther left. You’re a discusting hypocrite.

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You are a great poster. I've always enjoyed your stuff, but I have to ask my fellow Buffett fan...

Did you notice this? https://www.miamiherald.com/news/pol...221073375.html

I had to toss my JB 8 tracks and cassettes ;)

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

You are a great poster. I've always enjoyed your stuff, but I have to ask my fellow Buffett fan...

Did you notice this? https://www.miamiherald.com/news/pol...221073375.html

I had to toss my JB 8 tracks and cassettes ;)

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Yes, I don’t like his politics, but I try to separate politics and music. If I didn’t, my music choices would be very limited. Sometimes it does become difficult, though.

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Originally Posted by Bulldawg81

Yes, I don’t like his politics, but I try to separate politics and music. If I didn’t, my music choices would be very limited. Sometimes it does become difficult, though.

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Yeah, he went all Dixie Chick on us. Not sure why he felt the need to get emotional about the two guys who were the worst selection for the majority of his Florida fans. The guy needs to either check out his following or shoot them the bird like the Dixie Chicks did.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

The Republican brand has a big nasty stain on it right now.

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And the democrat brand doesn't?? If you were truly an independent like you "claim" you are, you would say both do.. but you don't.. that's why you have no credibility on this board.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Here we go...

Poll among Democrat voters, who do you support for the Dem nominee:

Joe Biden 26%
Bernie Sanders 18%
Beto O'Rourke 8%

and that's all I've seen, don't know what the rest of the results are. Yes! it's very early. But, it's not totally unusual, though such polls don't usually start until January after midterms.

Not surprising Biden has an early lead. He's a known commodity, an establishment guy, with name recognition. And! he would currently be president had he been the Dem nominee in '16. But, most likely, that was his chance and his time has past by. Crazy Bernie Sanders has a nice following, name recognition now, and a core of supporters, so he'll be a factor in the bid for the nomination, but, nah. I think, the guy sitting in 3rd is the Dems' best hope for 2020.

There's some talk of Krooked Killary running again. And, if she were to get the nomination, she would beat Trump in a rematch. But, I doubt...well, first, that she runs, but if she does, she'll get smoked in the primaries. I see her trailing the those three for sure...provided they run and make an effort, and probably being nosed out by another candidate or two. Meaning. if KKK runs, and sticks it out long enough, she'll be languishing in 5th or 6th place.

Trump will lose to Biden, KKK, and O'Rourke. He would probably hang on vs. Sanders, and against any of the other crazies out there likely to get the Dem nomination.

Joe Biden is dense, and a little creepy....but overall, he's a likable fellow. Kind of like Jimmy Carter, not a bad person, just totally out-to-lunch in policy, management, and governing matters. It would be close, but Biden would take the WH, due in large part to an anti-Trump vote. Like Trump was the beneficiary of the anti-Killary vote (myself included). Sanders is too radical and can not win an open national election. He would carry the really nutso places like Mass...maybe Vermont, Minnysoda, DC, and California, and not much else.

But...O'Rourke has positioned himself to be a truly viable, national candidate. I think, unless someone else emerges out of nowhere, the 2020 Presidential Election is his to lose. Don't do, or say!!! stupid things, and he's got it. The question is, can he build a national organization? No reason he can't UNLESS the Dem establishment decides it's not his turn and they get behind a Biden or a Warren, or some ditz like that. Even if they do, O'Rourke can still win the nomination, but it'll be a struggle, and he'll have to move so far to the left during the primaries that Trump would use that against him in the general election. If "Dem Nation" adopts O'Rourke as their guy, gets behind him, and all pull together, he's got it in a cakewalk.

Or! I could be dead wrong and it'll be Jeb Bush vs. KKK in 2020. :icon_roll:

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No way would beat Trump in 2022. Has Guisslapp finally gotten to you?

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Originally Posted by brtransplant

No way would beat Trump in 2022. Has Guisslapp finally gotten to you?

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I agree, no one can beat Trump for POTUS in 2022.

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Originally Posted by FriscoDog

And the democrat brand doesn't?? If you were truly an independent like you "claim" you are, you would say both do.. but you don't.. that's why you have no credibility on this board.

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And likewise Trump supporters have no credibility with independent-minded folks.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

And likewise Trump supporters have no credibility with independent-minded folks.

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Setting aside his rhetoric....if you can. I know it's really hard for anti-Trumpers, those suffering from TDS, to get past his mouth/tweets, because when I engage such folks in a discussion, it always comes back to that. I've mentioned I have a lot of FLAMING LIBERAL friends. I mean the most liberal-minded people you've ever met. And when the topic of Trump comes up, they roll their eyes, some mutter expletives, and then we get into POLICIES. No, they don't agree with all of his policies, mostly because they don't understand what they are. No! it's true. I find libs to be the most misinformed people you'll ever meet. But, setting that aside for a moment, even when I can get them to understand what his policy is, and they AGREE with it! they'll say, well, yeah, but he's mean-spirited! But, I say, that policy you agree with HELPS those YOU say he is being mean-spirited toward.

So, goosey, as the spokesperson (see, I said "person" not "man", I am so PC!) for the "independents" in America, er, "independent-minded folks" are there ANY, I mean, just ONE! policy proposed by President Trump that you agree with? One thing, as POTUS, if you were 100% honest, you would say: I agree with President Trump on that issue.

Let's start with that.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

And likewise Trump supporters have no credibility with independent-minded folks.

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Question for you since you live in TX too. Beto said in his campaign that wanted to transform Texas. He also stated he could support the elimination of ICE and also wanted to ban certain guns. Texas currently has no state income tax, very good schools and businesses around the country are coming to TX with headquarters. What's wrong with TX?

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Originally Posted by FriscoDog

What's wrong with TX?

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Too many socialists liberals if they thought Beno would make things better for Texas.

Open borders...more illegals is just what Texas needs.

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Originally Posted by FriscoDog

Question for you since you live in TX too. Beto said in his campaign that wanted to transform Texas. He also stated he could support the elimination of ICE and also wanted to ban certain guns. Texas currently has no state income tax, very good schools and businesses around the country are coming to TX with headquarters. What's wrong with TX?

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Taxes are a wash because our property taxes are so high. I don’t intend to retire here because it is stupid to pay that much tax in retirement.

Otherwise, Texas’s “blue” areas - the cities - are pretty good. Texas’s diversity is one of its strengths.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Setting aside his rhetoric....if you can. I know it's really hard for anti-Trumpers, those suffering from TDS, to get past his mouth/tweets, because when I engage such folks in a discussion, it always comes back to that. I've mentioned I have a lot of FLAMING LIBERAL friends. I mean the most liberal-minded people you've ever met. And when the topic of Trump comes up, they roll their eyes, some mutter expletives, and then we get into POLICIES. No, they don't agree with all of his policies, mostly because they don't understand what they are. No! it's true. I find libs to be the most misinformed people you'll ever meet. But, setting that aside for a moment, even when I can get them to understand what his policy is, and they AGREE with it! they'll say, well, yeah, but he's mean-spirited! But, I say, that policy you agree with HELPS those YOU say he is being mean-spirited toward.

So, goosey, as the spokesperson (see, I said "person" not "man", I am so PC!) for the "independents" in America, er, "independent-minded folks" are there ANY, I mean, just ONE! policy proposed by President Trump that you agree with? One thing, as POTUS, if you were 100% honest, you would say: I agree with President Trump on that issue.

Let's start with that.

Thanks.

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Sentencing reform.

See, that wasn't so hard.

We'll see Trump move to the left now. Not saying he'll become a lefty, just that he'll move toward the center, and a little left of center...which is to the left of where he's been policy-wise. He'll do that mostly because he's really Dem at heart, and also because as a businessman, he wants to get things done. Now that the Dems have the House...and Trump detests gridlock...he'll play nicer in the sandbox.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

See, that wasn't so hard.

We'll see Trump move to the left now. Not saying he'll become a lefty, just that he'll move toward the center, and a little left of center...which is to the left of where he's been policy-wise. He'll do that mostly because he's really Dem at heart, and also because as a businessman, he wants to get things done. Now that the Dems have the House...and Trump detests gridlock...he'll play nicer in the sandbox.

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I don't think so. Trump just threaten to shut the government down if his border wall doesn't get funded. Toss in the all the investigations the Democraps are planning in the House and I think some real fireworks are in store for us.

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Originally Posted by saltydawg

I don't think so. Trump just threaten to shut the government down if his border wall doesn't get funded. Toss in the all the investigations the Democraps are planning in the House and I think some real fireworks are in store for us.

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Good...shut down the government unless the wall is funded.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Taxes are a wash because our property taxes are so high. I don’t intend to retire here because it is stupid to pay that much tax in retirement.

Otherwise, Texas’s “blue” areas - the cities - are pretty good. Texas’s diversity is one of its strengths.

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You feel ok living in a blue area city? No thank you.

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Originally Posted by saltydawg

I don't think so. Trump just threaten to shut the government down if his border wall doesn't get funded. Toss in the all the investigations the Democraps are planning in the House and I think some real fireworks are in store for us.

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Did you say "democraps"? Salty, my man!

Well, I think Trump and the Repubs should ram home every legislative measure they can during this lame duck session. Yeah, the dems when in control of the purse strings (the House) can thwart a lot of it by defunding it. But!...and this is where I shutter....the GOPers need to be smart and attach the spending to things the Dems, and most Americans, want. Thus if the Dems attempt to nullify, say the wall, for instance, they have to also defund aid for immigrants. Tie it all together. If the Dems are still so bold to do that, then when the House passes a new bill that defunds the wall, but restores funding to illegals, the Senate and/or Trump can stop it. THUS! before the Dems defund the wall, make it clear what they are also defunding, and that funding will NOT be restored.

But, the GOP couldn't organize a bar-b-cue, so no way they could pull off such a complicated legislative strategy.

That's just me. I play hardball. I know the counter argument will be if the GOP does that they'll get blamed and it will affect the 2020 elections. But, so? Look at what just happened. The economy is booming, things for the average American hasn't looked this good since about 2006....yet! the GOP managed to lose the House anyway. If we're gonna lose elections anyway, might as well play hardball.

But, the counter counter-argument is the Dems will equally shoot themselves in the foot by instigating stupid investigations. If they do, they will throw away whatever gains they just made in the 2018 Midterms.

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

You feel ok living in a blue area city? No thank you.

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For the culture and good food and drinks. Red areas are lame and dull.

Karl Rove, on his website, has released a statistical analysis of the 2018 MT results. Based on post-election surveys of people who actually voted it boils down to this: 60% of Americans like Trump's policies, but don't like him. It comes down to his "mouth" and his Tweets, and his personality. This confirms what I've been saying for two years. It's all about his rhetoric. Some people voted AGAINST their own personal economic and social well-being just because they don't like how Trump comes across.

Rove was just on FOX this morning and he touched on the results of this study. Rove says unless Trump does a 180 on his "behavior" he, and the GOP, are toast in 2020. That's Karl Rove's perspective. Given that he has some experience in such political matters, I suggest Trump pay attention.

Given this....shows you how sensitive, and, IMO, goofy people are. Yeah, Trump's rants are tiring. It accomplishes nothing...well, it's actually counter-productive...but at the bottom line, who really cares? Well, I should phrase it as "why should anyone really care?" Now, because many voters don't like his personality THEY will be paying higher taxes, seeing healthcare costs trend up again, losing jobs, having many thousands of illegals swarming in and gobbling up resources, and all kinds of other bad things. Yeah....they really showed Trump, eh!

Rove is establishment and hates Trump. He voted for Hillary.

Rhetoric matters, because people can be be persuaded. Trumps words are dangerous and harmful. He chooses to press on wedge issues for his own perceived gain. He sews fear, distrust and division. He is a cancer. His policies don’t even matter.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Rhetoric matters, because people can be be persuaded. Trumps words are dangerous and harmful. He chooses to press on wedge issues for his own perceived gain. He sews fear, distrust and division. He is a cancer. His policies don’t even matter.

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No he counters the establishment and MSM. You and CNN believe the invasion is not an invasion. You SAY they are oppressed people who are looking for a better life. You actually know they will further disrupt and become socialist voters.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

No he counters the establishment and MSM. You and CNN believe the invasion is not an invasion. You SAY they are oppressed people who are looking for a better life. You actually know they will further disrupt and become socialist voters.

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That is nuts. These are people looking for a better life. They are not invading like an army with the goal of being socialist voters. They can’t even vote unless they become citizens. They aren’t coming here for the purpose of voting against Trump. Put the conspiracy theory crack pipe down.

I am glad Trudeau isn’t calling the Americans seeking asylum in Canada “invaders”.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/11/15/ame....google.com%2F

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

I am glad Trudeau isn’t calling the Americans seeking asylum in Canada “invaders”.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/11/15/ame....google.com%2F

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You're such a tweeb, so easily manipulated. Do I have to explain everything to you?

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Originally Posted by dawg80

You're such a tweeb, so easily manipulated. Do I have to explain everything to you?

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Explain what? All I ever ask you to explain is the source of your fake “facts” so I can look into them myself.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

That is nuts. These are people looking for a better life. They are not invading like an army with the goal of being socialist voters. They can’t even vote unless they become citizens. They aren’t coming here for the purpose of voting against Trump. Put the conspiracy theory crack pipe down.

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Your socialist pals are doing all they can to allow voting by non-citizens. You know it is already happening.

Burning American flags represents a desire to become a solid citizen for sure.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Your socialist pals are doing all they can to allow voting by non-citizens. You know it is already happening.

Burning American flags represents a desire to become a solid citizen for sure.

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Too much Hannity and Tucker for you, my friend.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

I am glad Trudeau isn’t calling the Americans seeking asylum in Canada “invaders”.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/11/15/ame....google.com%2F

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This doesn't help you.

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About 80% to 85% of the US asylum-seekers are of Haitian descent, according to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. And most of this group are American-born minors crossing the border with their immigrant parents.

"The vast majority of US citizens claiming asylum are minor asylum claimants who were born in the United States whose parents are citizens of another country," said Peter Liang, a spokesman for Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada.

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Originally Posted by JuBru

This doesn't help you.

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What do you mean?

Most of these posts should be on the 'immigration' thread...just saying.

This thread is about the already-starting 2020 POTUS campaign. I don't know why I find national politics so intriguing, but I do. It's probably my Louisiana upbringing, where it is said we have three passions: food, football, and politics (and in that order of importance!).

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Rhetoric matters, because people can be persuaded. Obama's, Hillary and Pelosi's words are dangerous and harmful. They choose to press on wedge issues for their own perceived gain. They sew fear, distrust and division. They are a cancer. Their policies don’t even matter.

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Fixed it for you as this is the way at least half of the country feels.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

What do you mean?

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Americans aren't seeking asylum in large numbers in Canada. Those are Haitians leaving due to the ending of their temporary protected status.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Most of these posts should be on the 'immigration' thread...just saying.

This thread is about the already-starting 2020 POTUS campaign. I don't know why I find national politics so intriguing, but I do. It's probably my Louisiana upbringing, where it is said we have three passions: food, football, and politics (and in that order of importance!).

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Immigration - legal and illegal - is going to be a big issue in the 2020 election.

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Originally Posted by JuBru

Americans aren't seeking asylum in large numbers in Canada. Those are Haitians leaving due to the ending of their temporary protected status.

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And?

Why isn’t Trudeau calling them invaders?

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Why isn’t Trudeau calling them invaders?

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Are they burning Canadian flags and looking for free handouts in Canada?

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Why isn’t Trudeau calling them invaders?

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He's part French frog don't ya know.

I was just wondering where all those dems were in the midterms who were bashing Roy Moore in Alabama during the special election.

Oh yeah...they were contributing to the Menendez campaign in Jersey.

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

I was just wondering where all those dems were in the midterms who were bashing Roy Moore in Alabama during the special election.

Oh yeah...they were contributing to the Menendez campaign in Jersey.

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For every Menendez (charges dismissed) the GOP has 3: Chris Collins (indicted, still charged), Duncan Hunter (indicted, still charged) , Steve King (White supremacist).

Thank you for bringing this up.

Democrats want the rich to pay their "fair share" of taxes. So Trump, as part of his tax cut, capped the deduction on state and local taxes to $10,000. That hit a lot of rich people, especially Democrats, making them pay more taxes. Right out the gate, Democrats, spearheaded by New Jersey reps, have already proposed repealing the cap and reinstating the full deduction so that their rich donors don't have to pay so much in taxes.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

And?

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In trying to point out Americans are leaving, they showed it's not Americans.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Why isn’t Trudeau calling them invaders?

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They aren't going in giant waves or caravans. And they aren't fleeing a bad situation or place.

And he is a loon.

And I get the general feeling from my Canadian acquaintances that Canada has a need for increased immigrants.

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Originally Posted by JuBru

In trying to point out Americans are leaving, they showed it's not Americans.
They aren't going in giant waves or caravans. And they aren't fleeing a bad situation or place.

And he is a loon.

And I get the general feeling from my Canadian acquaintances that Canada has a need for increased immigrants.

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They are US citizens. 2550 of them seeking asylum.

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Originally Posted by JuBru

Democrats want the rich to pay their "fair share" of taxes. So Trump, as part of his tax cut, capped the deduction on state and local taxes to $10,000. That hit a lot of rich people, especially Democrats, making them pay more taxes. Right out the gate, Democrats, spearheaded by New Jersey reps, have already proposed repealing the cap and reinstating the full deduction so that their rich donors don't have to pay so much in taxes.

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Maybe you don’t know this, but New Jersey is one of the most tax heavy states in the country. And it just isn’t their state income tax - it is across the board. The tax code rewrite disporportionately hits states like New Jersey. A good portion of the middle class in NJ pay over 10k in state taxes.

The tax windfall to the rich in the Trump plan was the cut in corporate taxes. Rich people make their money differently than the middle class. If you look at the trend over the past 30 years, an ever increasing share of profits are going to owners rather than workers. Wages are not keeping up with gains in productivity and that is one of the main forces that is driving the widening of the rich-poor gap, and the frustration that fed Trump’s rise to power.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

The tax windfall to the rich in the Trump plan was the cut in corporate taxes. Rich people make their money differently than the middle class. If you look at the trend over the past 30 years, an ever increasing share of profits are going to owners rather than workers. Wages are not keeping up with gains in productivity and that is one of the main forces that is driving the widening of the rich-poor gap, and the frustration that fed Trump’s rise to power.

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Leftist misinformation

You can't define "rich". It is a buzz word used by socialists. Middle class people own businesses as well and they are the backbone of MAGA. I know it's difficult to grasp, but they do. You ignore the fact that owners actually take the risks and own the businesses. Therefore they get to take the profits and use them the way they want. That includes a nice lifestyle, reinvesting in the business, and bonuses to valuable employees. All three have and are still happening with the tax cuts.

Unless you've ever actually taken the risk and owned a business you would not understand the above. You obviously favor government regulations and higher taxes. Check out your voting block. See how many jobs they create outside of the government.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Leftist misinformation

You can't define "rich". It is a buzz word used by socialists. Middle class people own businesses as well and they are the backbone of MAGA. I know it's difficult to grasp, but they do. You ignore the fact that owners actually take the risks and own the businesses. Therefore they get to take the profits and use them the way they want. That includes a nice lifestyle, reinvesting in the business, and bonuses to valuable employees. All three have and are still happening with the tax cuts.

Unless you've ever actually taken the risk and owned a business you would not understand the above. You obviously favor government regulations and higher taxes. Check out your voting block. See how many jobs they create outside of the government.

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"I've made the central focus of what I've been out talking about the fact that 90 percent of American workers don't own their own business. They're actually working for businesses and that Republicans better have a message that appeals to their place in the world today and their opportunity to rise in society," Santorum said on CBS’s Face the Nation on April 5, 2015.

What percentage of the “rich” do you think are business owners? I am going to guess that most of them aren’t working for others businesses.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

"I've made the central focus of what I've been out talking about the fact that 90 percent of American workers don't own their own business. They're actually working for businesses and that Republicans better have a message that appeals to their place in the world today and their opportunity to rise in society," Santorum said on CBS’s Face the Nation on April 5, 2015.

What percentage of the “rich” do you think are business owners? I am going to guess that most of them aren’t working for others businesses.

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Again, you can't define "rich". It is a convenient term to incite class warfare. Ironically, you'd fall into the "rich" category used by your own socialist views based on income and life style.

Nobody said the "rich" don't own the majority of the businesses, but you are ignoring the fact that your sliding scale for "rich" eliminates small business owners only when it is convenient. Those small business owners are at or below what is likely your own income and I don't believe your sliding scale of "rich" includes yourself or your income peers.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

For every Menendez (charges dismissed) the GOP has 3: Chris Collins (indicted, still charged), Duncan Hunter (indicted, still charged) , Steve King (White supremacist).

Thank you for bringing this up.

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Spoken like a true tribalist lemming. I guess thinking is not for everyone.

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

Spoken like a true tribalist lemming. I guess thinking is not for everyone.

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You have a problem with the facts I brought up? Republicans voted for people who are under indictment for fraud and a white supremacist. Shameless.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Again, you can't define "rich". It is a convenient term to incite class warfare. Ironically, you'd fall into the "rich" category used by your own socialist views based on income and life style.

Nobody said the "rich" don't own the majority of the businesses, but you are ignoring the fact that your sliding scale for "rich" eliminates small business owners only when it is convenient. Those small business owners are at or below what is likely your own income and I don't believe your sliding scale of "rich" includes yourself or your income peers.

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Rich is obviously a relative term but with the vanishing middle class, it will soon become an absolute term.

Why should business owners pay a lower tax rate than people who work for them? That is the question.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Maybe you don’t know this, but New Jersey is one of the most tax heavy states in the country. And it just isn’t their state income tax - it is across the board. The tax code rewrite disporportionately hits states like New Jersey. A good portion of the middle class in NJ pay over 10k in state taxes.

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They got the taxes they voted for.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Why should business owners pay a lower tax rate than people who work for them? That is the question.

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They don't. That just more misinformation you socialist put out there. They pay MUCH more in taxes than a salaried/bonused employee making the same income. They also take MUCH more in risks.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Rich is obviously a relative term but with the vanishing middle class, it will soon become an absolute term.

Why should business owners pay a lower tax rate than people who work for them? That is the question.

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Richness has very little to do with income. Wealth is a gauge of richness; income is a gauge of value to an entity. You can make very little and become "rich" if you are frugal enough.

Business owners can move their businesses wherever they wish, and they normally move to where it is most financially beneficial to them. New York made a bunch of concessions to Amazon to get their headquarters because it will be a net positive to the area. Perhaps you think they should have been run off and sent elsewhere because it's just not fair.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

You have a problem with the facts I brought up? Republicans voted for people who are under indictment for fraud and a white supremacist. Shameless.

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:laugh: Right..... and Democrat steeple voted for pure socialist Anti Americans, along with ISIS and Al-Qaeda supporters, baby haters and no borders pro-crime idiots.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

Maybe you don’t know this, but New Jersey is one of the most tax heavy states in the country. And it just isn’t their state income tax - it is across the board. The tax code rewrite disporportionately hits states like New Jersey. A good portion of the middle class in NJ pay over 10k in state taxes.

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I know what they're taxed. I also know their political leanings. They are the ones that want more stuff, until they see the bill. Point is, they can't have both. Any Democrats including any reduction of taxes (from whatever source) invalidates their entire social and economic platform.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Leftist misinformation

You can't define "rich". It is a buzz word used by socialists. Middle class people own businesses as well and they are the backbone of MAGA. I know it's difficult to grasp, but they do. You ignore the fact that owners actually take the risks and own the businesses. Therefore they get to take the profits and use them the way they want. That includes a nice lifestyle, reinvesting in the business, and bonuses to valuable employees. All three have and are still happening with the tax cuts.

Unless you've ever actually taken the risk and owned a business you would not understand the above. You obviously favor government regulations and higher taxes. Check out your voting block. See how many jobs they create outside of the government.

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This is unsustainable.

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

:laugh: Right..... and Democrat steeple voted for pure socialist Anti Americans, along with ISIS and Al-Qaeda supporters, baby haters and no borders pro-crime idiots.

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Maybe stop creating the conditions that cause Democrats to dig further into socialist principles?

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Originally Posted by JuBru

This is unsustainable.

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No it's been happening here for over 200 years. You are thinking of socialism

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

No it's been happening here for over 200 years. You are thinking of socialism

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Businesses are not operating today the same as 200 years ago. Mostly for the better, but they can do more.

Telling a company they should pay their employees more and executives less is not socialism. Telling them that investing in their people is investing in their business is not socialism. Telling them to treat all their employees as valuable members of their business is not socialism. All of it is good (better) capitalism.

Using the word "socialism" against everything isn't the hammer you think it is, especially when inapplicable.

Businesses do do that without the government mandates like the democrat socialist think are necessary. The same people who want government intervention LOVED NAFTA.

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Originally Posted by JuBru

Businesses are not operating today the same as 200 years ago. Mostly for the better, but they can do more.

Telling a company they should pay their employees more and executives less is not socialism. Telling them that investing in their people is investing in their business is not socialism. Telling them to treat all their employees as valuable members of their business is not socialism. All of it is good (better) capitalism.

Using the word "socialism" against everything isn't the hammer you think it is, especially when inapplicable.

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Who is this "telling" a company anything? Unless it's the shareholders STFU! No one else has ANY right to tell a company anything.

Now, that said, as a shareholder in various companies, and as a business consultant, I do advise companies to practice "causal marketing." It's good business. But, not because someone with zero stake in that company feels they are entitled to something.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Who is this "telling" a company anything? Unless it's the shareholders STFU! No one else has ANY right to tell a company anything.

Now, that said, as a shareholder in various companies, and as a business consultant, I do advise companies to practice "causal marketing." It's good business. But, not because someone with zero stake in that company feels they are entitled to something.

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All stakeholders, which is more than just shareholders.

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Originally Posted by JuBru

All stakeholders, which is more than just shareholders.

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No, again, it's only about the shareholders. But, as I just posted "casual marketing" is good business, and that addresses the stakeholders.

So! The Commie Repubic of California is trying to flex its political muscle to influence the democrap nomination for POTUS 2020. Saying Iowa and New Hampshire are "too homogenous" (code for: too white) and stating those two puny little states have too long held too much influence on the process, Cal's dems have slated their 2020 primary effectively FIRST. Beginning three weeks BEFORE the Iowa caucus, Cal Dem voters can cast votes in their primary.

This is a GREAT thing for we good Americans! The chances of the dems being saddled with a commie loon are far greater now. Trump can protect his hold on those midwestern states that put him over the top in 2016. Or at least...there's that hope now, when we had none before.

This twist will make the 2020 POTUS campaign a little more interesting.

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Originally Posted by JuBru

Maybe stop creating the conditions that cause Democrats to dig further into socialist principles?

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Maybe a nation of pure agnostics would accomplish that one.

POTUS Campaign 2020 is off and winging! In this case, extreme left-winging.

Pocahontas drinks a beer and announces she is running for prez. Will visit Iowa this week. The very lib guvnar of Washington, whose name I can't recall, also announced. Both of those campaigns are DOA.

But, as I've mentioned before, I find presidential politics fascinating. Oh, and now that California's primary will be early in the process. In fact, first! as I recall reading. That is a game changer for sure. Not sure why our Indian Princess is heading to Iowa, instead of California.

I am sure she has confidence in the vote buying power of her friend Nancy “Take your pill” osi.

Mitt throwing his hat in the ring?

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Mitt throwing his hat in the ring?

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OMG, not again!

He will be the darling of the media until the dems choose their representative, then they will turn on him and he will be looking foolish again. I would vote for Nancy Pelosi before I'd vote for that warm bucket of spit.

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

OMG, not again!

He will be the darling of the media until the dems choose their representative, then they will turn on him and he will be looking foolish again. I would vote for Nancy Pelosi before I'd vote for that warm bucket of spit.

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Yeah he is a loser. Should have won when he had the chance, but he decided he would be all PC and not upset Obama voters.

He really is what democrats were 30 years ago.

We get rid of "the flake" from Arizona and gain Mitt the Chitt. Fortunately, IF the GOP has any gonads at all, with a slightly larger margin, we don't have to worry as much about the fake conservatives like Susan Collins and the couple of others.

I don't think Romney will challenge Trump for the 2020 GOP nomination. If he still harbors WH ambition he's targeting 2024. He won't win it then either, but the ego and arrogance of these narcissistic politicians knows no bounds.

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Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow

OMG, not again!

He will be the darling of the media until the dems choose their representative, then they will turn on him and he will be looking foolish again. I would vote for Nancy Pelosi before I'd vote for that warm bucket of spit.

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Not me! I would NEVER vote for Pelosi! She is an enemy of the USA. A piece of slimy chit. Romney is a self-serving jerk. If it came down to a choice between those two....well, the country would be in deep doo-doo...I'd have to vote for Romney. The old "lesser of two evils" ploy.

But PLEASE, let's never let it come down (and it would be waaaaaaaaaay down too) to such a choice.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Not me! I would NEVER vote for Pelosi! She is an enemy of the USA. A piece of slimy chit. Romney is a self-serving jerk. If it came down to a choice between those two....well, the country would be in deep doo-doo...I'd have to vote for Romney. The old "lesser of two evils" ploy.

But PLEASE, let's never let it come down (and it would be waaaaaaaaaay down too) to such a choice.

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Yeah, I went too far. I would never vote for Pelosi.

I see some dem has introduced a bill to get rid of the electorial college. Won't that have to be done via Constitutional amendment? Except for New York and California (and maybe Illinois), which states would vote to destroy their power and give it to....well...New York and California? Another indication of someone suffering from TDS?

Just looked at the article again. It is worse than I thought. The idea is that the state's electorial votes would go to the winner of the most popular votes in the country no matter how the state's population voted. My God, are people really that stupid? Voting would cease in those states!

58,000 illegals have been voting in Texas, for at least the last 3 elections, we know of. Pennsylvania has 100,000 illegals registered to vote. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. It's as many of us have been saying, there IS voter fraud going on. And it might be worse than we had imagined.

On another note, campaign workers for the commie libs, for Warren et al, are asking to be paid $15/hour which is what the libs are running on. These workers also want benefits, such as healthcare. Of course, for Pocahontas, Sanders, and that lot it's always, "do as we say, not as we do."

And, a Democrap strategist is warning that if there are 20+ candidates for the 'crap nomination that will spread financial support thin, not allowing any candidate enough to mount an effective national campaign. I don't think that'll be problem as the lamestream media will provide plenty of free advertising for 'em all.

I am surprised things have started so slowly. There have only been a few to officially announce, and launch campaigns, and we are at the end of January, within two years of the election. The 2020 POTUS election is 21 months away. Primaries begin in less than a year.

I was wrong, or hadn't seen the final numbers. There are 95,000 illegals registered to vote in Texas.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

I was wrong, or hadn't seen the final numbers. There are 95,000 illegals registered to vote in Texas.

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Nope.

Keith Ingram, the state’s director of elections, wrote in the memo that the information on the number of non-citizens on voting rolls should be treated as “WEAK” matches, meaning county officials need to further investigate the cases.

Among the 95,000 registered voters who may be non-citizens, the number state officials said actually cast ballots in at least one election — 58,000 — also lacks context. The Texas Tribune reported the number covers elections from 1996-2018, a 22-year time span Paxton did not mention in his statement.

50,000 Texans became naturalized citizens each year and it was “highly suspect” that the memo took that into account.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/01...gn=trib-social

Yep.

They got caught and are now trying to cover it up.

I think Daddy Starbucks should run. We need more businessmen, outside the Swamp, to run.

I guess we are supposed to be okay and not want things fixed because of the amount of time covered by the stats provided? We are supposed to give BHO a pass for doubling the debt in 8 years, but chastise Trump for the debt going up $2tril while trying to get our economy back on track? Double standard much? I know Goosey claims he isn’t a BHO supporter, so surely he agrees there is a massive double standard.

Substitute just about any name in America for Trump and they won’t get near as much grief for the same actions, policies, or things that occur in society while they are in office.

I criticized BHO, so no double standard here.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

I criticized BHO, so no double standard here.

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That’s why I said you would agree about the double standard. You criticized BHO, but you are part of a minority group of people who don’t identify as conservative who also criticized BHO.

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

I criticized BHO, so no double standard here.

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I don't remember any of that. I recall you posting you wished you could have obummer's baby. Then go to NY where you can murder him/her the day before delivery was expected.

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Originally Posted by dawg80

I think Daddy Starbucks should run. We need more businessmen, outside the Swamp, to run.

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Gotta love it! That idiot hollering at Schulz his running for POTUS is "not democracy." Really?

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Originally Posted by dawg80

I don't remember any of that. I recall you posting you wished you could have obummer's baby. Then go to NY where you can murder him/her the day before delivery was expected.

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You don’t have to remember. You can just go check the threads.

Socialist Dems don't want America to be great!

SCHULTZ: I'LL DEFEND AMERICAN DREAM!
DEMS FREAKOUT

https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/oQ...b7c4fa5c91ac9f
SCHULTZ: I'LL DEFEND AMERICAN DREAM!
DEMS FREAKOUT

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Originally Posted by Guisslapp

I criticized BHO, so no double standard here.

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Nah, you were Obama's boy the entire time.

Fat boy Michael Moore says AOC is the true democrap party leader. He is calling on all commies to get behind her...and I guess run for POTUS in 2020? Or at least Moore wants the 2020 dem candidates to get their marching orders from her.

What say you dems here? Goosey? Champ? Jubru? Is AOC the leader of y'alls' party?

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Originally Posted by dawg80

Fat boy Michael Moore says AOC is the true democrap party leader. He is calling on all commies to get behind her...and I guess run for POTUS in 2020? Or at least Moore wants the 2020 dem candidates to get their marching orders from her.

What say you dems here? Goosey? Champ? Jubru? Is AOC the leader of y'alls' party?

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Maybe Guislapp will be behind this guy.

Only Half-Dozen Attend Draft Beto Event...

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

Maybe Guislapp will be behind this guy.

Only Half-Dozen Attend Draft Beto Event...

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No one showed up for an event in California. Guess Beto isn't wacky enough for those out there.

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

Maybe Guislapp will be behind this guy.

Only Half-Dozen Attend Draft Beto Event...

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Wow, that’s embarrassing. Did someone forget to advertise the rally in the local rag?

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Originally Posted by techman05

Wow, that’s embarrassing. Did someone forget to advertise the rally in the local rag?

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I guess even the lying liberal rags couldn't get the sheeple out.