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When do we get official word?
It's official
Who? Where is it posted?
Still no official release as far as I know.
If its official, who are they? What a disgrace
We cannot have anything good. Every time the team has a chance it’s something.
If it is QB1, I hope Allen blows the doors off of Marshall. If it is Hardy, I hope Graham, Hebert, Smoke, and Powell help our coaches see that we don’t need him.
We can lose a WR and be fine. That’s the deepest position we have. If it turns out that our fifth year SR QB is one of the players, he would never play another down.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
if J'Mar is truly suspended for this game i will be disappointed if he sees the playing field again wearing a Tech uniform. inexcusable.
Two gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by golfkdog
JMar, Hardy - 2 games. Jackson - 1 game.
Me too. I’ve been defending his play for 3 years now. There’s no defense for this. He and Hardy should be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by golfkdog
It’s Tim Rattay’s fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Yep. I has to be. No way he would be blazin on da reefah w'out the bad influence he had for 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
Surely, some marijuana wouldn’t demand a 2 game suspension. Has to be more there.
It’s an internal demand...rules we set up. And, since one guy only got one game, maybe it ain’t the first for some of these guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
It makes so much sense now why Jmar is very slow going thru his progression
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkwQuote:
Originally Posted by latech
Or he was just there, and the other two had it in the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
LMAO!!Quote:
Originally Posted by latech
True story, got pulled over in the 70’s while a student at Tech for going 35 on I-20. Local officer, he let me go.
Extremely disappointing. Never been a J’Mar fan. Scared J’Mar just smoked our season to its end.
That's actually what some Tech employees are putting out there. Just think about that one and how silly that theory is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tech52
They have to pee in a cup with somebody watching them. This is not a rigged system.
They never heard of coconut water?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Y’all quit messing with these MARSHALL fans. Y’all are going to get their hopes up
Tech should buy 'em both a bus ticket out of town. We don't need either one of them to beat UTSA.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of any LA Tech player doing. It's totally selfish.....especially when you consider we are in the MOST IMPORTANT stretch --with the most to gain on the line-- of any football season EVER, and certainly since going Div 1A FBS back in 1989. Yes, we've had some others do some boneheaded things, but not with THIS MUCH on the line for our team and university. And the previous suspensions in 2014 were academic related, and not just selfish stupidity.
Yep, the high stakes are what make this so terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Yep...next level selfish. That said, passing ain’t that hard either.
They quit going to class. That's pretty selfish knowing that they would be kicked off the team and not able to play in the last couple of games. Let's not forget that Holtz and our S&C guy allowed those guys to keep using Tech training facilities to prep for Tech's pro day.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
It’s when you puff before you pass that you get in trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
They didn't grow up with Save by the Bell to know drugs are bad.
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Originally Posted by glm47
Yep, should have nipped that roach habit in the bud 3 - 4 years ago. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I don't care. Thought I might be upset, but, I find I am unmoved by all of this. Of course, this gives Skippy a convenient excuse for losing at Marshall and at UAB, if that indeed occurs. Actually, I think our chances for winning both just got better.
Will our players react in a way that will overcome the emotion Marshall will be showing? Not if our HC spreads BS like our QB was mistreated, which is what he and his lemmings seem to be putting out. This is on our HC for not heading it off. He knew he had to babysit our QB and didn't do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
I am not upset with the way this was handled. A fifth year guy should not require baby sitting. At that point, they can be a young adult and stay out of trouble or they can be an idiot. JMar chose the latter.
If it’s grades, not cool. If it’s just some weed, why is this still an issue? Either way... let’s go Allen!! Time to shine.
I feel the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
If it’s grades, not cool. If it’s just some weed, why is this still an issue? Either way... let’s go Allen!! Time to shine.
Weed should have been made a non-issue years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dixonfor6
Win or lose the next 2, if I was coach JMar wouldn’t play again. He failed his whole team at a much higher level than a sport. Allen is capable and chances are he was going to start next year anyway. Holtz may as well crown him the next ‘Rock Star’ and let’s get on with it.
So the NCAA rule should be changed to "smoking weed is an allowed illegal substance"Quote:
Originally Posted by Tech52
That should work out well.
Not just the NCAA. The government. Students get sick on alcohol all the time, have parties, drive, and cause all kinds of disruptions while intoxicated. People are out here destroying their bodies with tobacco. There is absolutely nothing about weed that should be illegal. It just smells bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
But it is illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tech52
Scoff if you wish, but it is a gateway drug for many people (not all).
I agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tech52
...but it hasn't yet.
Exactly. In Texas, the speed limit is 75. Not in Louisiana. I can’t drive over the speed limit and get pulled over and tell the officer, “but it’s legal in Texas.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
In the words of Jim Carey, “STOP BREAKING THR LAW ASS HOLE!”
If folks are paying you (scholarship, salary, whatever), you play by their rules. If you can't, quit. Do something else.
You are right, it is against the law and against the rules. J'mar is an adult, an adult in his twenties, he knows better and should have been aware of the responsibility he had. This is NOT on HCSH, he cannot babysit them all and I really do not think it was wise to release the news any earlier than he did just because a few people thought they should know. I an not sure I would have announced it until we were boarding the plane, we do not get to know everything just so we can have some gossip material and that is what several are mad about. HCSH made a strategic news release on the whole situation and and the people that NEEDED to know already knew and John Q Public, which many of us are, got the news last, or at least when everyone else did.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Gateway drug? I once believed that too and was adamantly against any form of legalization, the gateway theory has mostly been debunked for the major majority of users and I do not have near the problem with it I once had. That is a discussion for another thread on another part of the forum on another day though.
This is our chance to show rock-stars and prima-donnas just how replaceable they are.
Should it be or is it legal is beside the point, we all have different opinions
Yeah Im aware it is still illegal. And that is on Smith and Hardy, and possibly whoever else was involved that didn’t get caught.
This. Yall know I've often advocated for legalization. But for the time being -- them's the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by qng001
A football season is only 3-4 months per year wherein you have to stay clean. All you have to do is NOT toke until after your bowl game. Then go burn a 10 foot blunt for all I care.
JMar has the rest of his life to blaze away -- couldnt you have held off for a just few more weeks?
Yeah, I don't get it. It's not habit forming like a gateway drug.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
like alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, or sugar?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
k boom ;)
http://www.vh1.com/news/6501/rock-stars-busted-for-marijuana/
Just another to add to the list, I suppose.
This is not Holtz' fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Sorry if it wasn’t clear that I was saying just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by stodgdog
Apparently our 5th year guy needed some baby sitting.
Y'all remember how Bicknell had no curfew on road trips? Remember how that worked at at USC and at Boise before the bowl game?
Gotta baby sit some of the prima donnas.
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Originally Posted by stodgdog
man - you guys are crazy to not hold the head coach or the AD accountable for this incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
the school paid those guys (HC and AD) a lot of money to run their program and invested a lot of money into the program ( facilities, player's scholarships, room and board, etc.). When the employee/players whom the HC/AD hired/recruited messed up the school investment you are telling me that is not part of the HC/AD's fault.
You were clear and I was agreeing with you. I didn't make that clear. Some folks expect too much of our HC and look for any reason to "impeach" him. We've had enough of that from a few fronts. It is not helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
They can’t control every aspect of these guys’ life.Quote:
Originally Posted by latech
I take it you've never been married ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tech52
And at LSUQuote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I have not held my tongue (keyboard) at all in the past concerning Skip and Tommy, I have been pretty critical and firm in my opinion on them. I cannot see laying the blame on them though, no different when you have a star employee who bombs a drug screen and you have to do something about it. You hired that employee, maybe trained him, and was very pleased with his work and job performance. You have an outside firm coming in doing your testing and his number comes up and "boom!" he fails. The company policy is that you fire him, or maybe some other punishment, but those are the rules and you have to follow through with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by latech
Now, is this your fault, if it is, should you be disciplined also, after all, it was under your watch. How were you supposed to know what that employee was doing at all times and be responsible for his actions. Does not sound very fair to the supervisor to me.
Just my take and opinion on it though.
On the radio this morning they mentioned Jackson hasn't played since Southern Miss.
Anybody know if Jackson's lack of playing time was suspension related and he had already served one of his two games?
Never thought of it, but that's funny!Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
If we had players popping positive all the time. You could attribute it to the accepted culture of the locker room. These coaches can’t sit in the players apartments on a random Wednesday night to be sure they don’t do something stupid.
Exactly how will the HC, or anyone for that matter, monitor one's behavior on a point that it is reasonable to assume has been related to them? I guess Tech could hire 85 Magnum PIs to keep up with each scholarship player.Quote:
Originally Posted by latech
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Originally Posted by stodgdog
Right we shouldn't expect a guy making almost $1M per year to keep up with his key player and make sure they don't cost the team due to REPEATEDLY breaking rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tech52
Honestly man your kidding yourself if you think this is Skip or TMAC fault. They weren't there when Jmar and Hardy started to light the bowl up and pass it around. If they were you think they would have encouraged it? if you go home and beat up on your wife, rob a store, or use drugs is it your boss fault?Quote:
Originally Posted by latech
No.... its them and their dumba$$ friends who they associate themselves with.
We all know that part of going off to college and not have momma/daddy micro managing you is part of growing up, the maturation process. It's evident now that who should have been the offense team captain but wasn't still has some growing up to do.
I think HCSH has handled/and is handling this very well. He's tight lipped about it so as to keep our opponent guessing, possibly building a game plan only to have to change the game plan with less than 24 hours till kickoff (good), AND not outing and throwing his players under the bus by sharing all kinds of details. These players have futures as men and as possibly employees; my hope is they will learn from this and be better men because of it. Not giving them a pass here, but it's in the past.
Aaron Allen is our O leader tonight. Honestly, I have not been this excited for a game since LSU last year. Hammer down tonight Dawgs..
I thought the "key player" was not very good according to many. How do you know it is "repeatedly" and how is one to constantly monitor another's behavior? Seems to me the only way is through testing and it is reasonable to assume the "key player" was "repeatedly" made aware a test would happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
You cannot keep up with every aspect of these guys lives, it is impossible, prisoners get access to drugs in jail, how are you going to keep it away from a student or a student away from it? I see your point that maybe these were habitual offenders, but maybe this was the straw that broke the camels back for HCSH. These players have limited playing time left, long shot at ever going NFL, and maybe these players feel like they are untouchable as #1's and key games coming up where they are needed. We just don't know everything that goes on inside the program which leads me to put this in the "personal responsibility" category and not the "it's someone else's fault" category.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I agree, and at this point, like you and others, I agree with how Holtz has handled it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rama Jama
Half these chucks on this forum pointing blame at anybody other than the players guilty haven't taken a snap of organized football in their life.
I don't blame Holtz or TMac. I am curious about their anti-drug policies and actions, though.
or maybe they are just in the "safe space" crowd instead of the "personal responsibility" crowdQuote:
Originally Posted by TexasDawg8
What does one have to do with the other?Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasDawg8
Plus, have you met anyone on this board? Of course we wouldn't take a snap because none of us were small enough to be quarterbacks, placeholders, or punters. :laugh:
I didn't realize a 5th year senior didn't have personal responsibility for his own actions? I didn't realize any player on the team doesn't have personal responsibility for their own actions? In fact I didn't realize that anybody past the age of 18 didn't have personal responsibility for their own actions. C'mon pledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by BhadDawg
Do all Division 1 schools (randomly) test for recreational drug use during the season? The way the rule is written makes this seem like a University decision and not a NCAA requirement. I would love some clarification so I can mentally move on from this. Rules are rules, but if we are putting ourselves at a competitive disadvantage over MARIJUANA then all I can do is throw my hands up. Kids smoke weed, it's a reality.
Also, long time lurker, first time poster. Go Dawgs, hope Allen grabs the reins and runs with it.
I am afraid personal responsibility has became an oxymoron in this day and age.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasDawg8
Good question, would love to have a clear answer on this which I am sure someone on this board has an answer to. Are the rules we have in place overly-stringent? I have no idea, even if the NCAA allows us to turn a blind eye to it or make the punishment minor and flexible, there is always going to be a moral questioning associated with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleK
Smith is over 21. HCSH shouldn’t have to babysit these players. Lots of things are Skip’s fault. This ain’t one of them. If it happened once and Skip told him don’t ever do it again. Then he does it again and he pays the price.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Skip and TM are ultimately responsible for the comprehensive management (athletic, scholastic, and personal) of the football program.
But does management of the program include an expectation that they can prevent these kids from doing things? Do we live in The Minority Report?Quote:
Originally Posted by THEarmada
Same here. But I don't think Skip mentions it as an excuse if we lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Rock Star is responsible for his choices and his suspension.
But ... where Holtz will be at fault is if we lose because the backup(s) did not get enough reps before now. There have been too many times when Rock Star remained too long in games in which the outcome had long been decided. I am not going to claim to know if Rock Star was a “suspension-waiting to happen.” What I do know is that at QB, he was always at risk of getting hurt (as is every QB.) It was stupid not to take every reasonable opportunity to get a backup QB ready to go in game situations. It only takes one play (or in this case, one puff) to dramatically alter a season. (Granted, Allen may come out tonight and look like the second-coming of Peyton Manning.)
I hope I am wrong, but the years of the unwarranted Rock Star status may burn the program tonight.
Finally, whoever in the Tech family that decided to designate Rock Star as #QB1 on social media should feel like #dummy1. I can't help but wonder if that designation was done to spite Tech fans who have been critical about the overall play of #QB1.
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Originally Posted by techman05
Exactly guys. This generation is use to being enabled and coddled. They need to grow the heck up and take responsibility for their actions. I would bet all 3 of these guys have apologized to the team, staff and their families.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasDawg8
In addition:
For information purposes only since some on here might not be aware of this council at Tech. Not saying they or any member did anything wrong at all as I don't know any of the details.
ATHLETICS COUNCIL. Purpose: Reviews intercollegiate athletic programs and activities and makes recommendations to the President for his consideration.
https://catalog.latech.edu/content.p...d=8&navoid=352
It's not Holtz' fault Smith made a bad decision, but don't think for a minute that Holtz didn't contribute to the enabling process. Y'all assume this is the first or second time for Smith to get caught.
And here I am worried about the Fall quarter grades submitting and hoping someone’s keeping up with finals, since we’ve had former problems. Guess that was the least of our worries.😞
True. We won't know those casualties until the conference championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by coop1448
Remember last year? Holtz was so proud of only losing 1 player to grades.:o
Ya know what parents do? Set rules and enforce them. The RULES say to play NCAA Football is clean pee. No matter your personal, religious, or political feelings, thems beez the rules to play in this sport.
Growing up, my Dad told me "If I catch you smoking, or drinking, you're not living in my house." That was my warning. You know what I did? Neither of those things. Set the rules, enforce the rules and if playing Football was important to Smith and Hardy, they would toe the line. Once they popped positive the first time, there should have been consequences. If it happened again (which it sounds like it did), then step up the punishment/suspensions!! If you show your team that nobody is above the rules, then they will keep each other in line. Or they can GTFO and transfer.
Here at the Parish it's one strike any your gone if you pop positive for drugs or alcohol on your screen...
That's how the real world works in a lot of cases
Knowing our past history - need to look no further back than Carlos Henderson and his love of blunts and what it cost him here in playing time and then what it cost him profe$$ionally at Denver - it's easy to correlate that this staff seems to turn a blind eye to pot in most cases until they are FORCED to do something about it...
When you get MULTIPLE chances on do-overs you should take advantage of them
It means he is ultimately responsible for the behavior of the guys he’s brought onto this team. He recruits them for their athletic skill and CHARACTER.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
It’s a pattern with Skip’s teams that at the end of the year he loses guys for scholastic/character issues.
I am not really sure what the Norm is here across the NCAA football scene, but there are so many we do not hear about because of most others being on the Semester system. the regular season is over by the time semester grades are in, some have already played their bowl games, and some are seniors and it is really not news because it does not matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
So, obviously the goal is to not lose any players to grades or rule infractions, but what do Coaches and AD's normally expect? I am asking because I do not know, does losing only one to grades make us better than average?
But you can’t act preemptively because a player might do something. All you can do is punish after the fact. No one gets punished because they are capable of something. They have to actually do it. Now, if he has been caught 2 times without consequences and is finally punished on the 3rd time, that is on Holtz. He acted accordingly with athletic department policy as far as we know.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEarmada
Guys, you have got it all wrong. Obviously our players were framed by Marshall. The Thundering Herd new that they stood a good chance of losing their '75 game if Tech showed up healthy and issue free so they slipped some bud to a few of our players. Now we're going into Huntington down a few players. This isn't on TMAC, Skip, or the players. I blame Marshall. Take it out on Marshall tonight.
Oh, and I bet UAB had a hand in it too. I mean, come on, they are the Blazers. That just screams involvement with weed.
/sarcasm
That is definitely the most logical conclusion! #framed
Good point. These guys only had to look as far as Henderson to see what this type of behavior can do to your career. Carlos isn't making the money in Canada, that a player with his skills and abilities could be making in the NFL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
The Blazers? :laugh::laugh: Some one definitely needs to take that dragon mascot pic they have and do some EXTRA artwork on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by techfreak
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Originally Posted by DocMarvin362
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Originally Posted by SicemDawgz