How do we let our 5th year QB get suspended on a school administered drug test the week of one of the biggest games we've had this DECADE.
Tommy is a patsy b#tch. This is the cherry on top of the sh*t mountain that is his tenure here.
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How do we let our 5th year QB get suspended on a school administered drug test the week of one of the biggest games we've had this DECADE.
Tommy is a patsy b#tch. This is the cherry on top of the sh*t mountain that is his tenure here.
You are getting some bad information. I'm no fan our our AD, but this is not on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TechStudent
PD is right, this is not on anyone but the idiot who acted stupidly.
I would be interested in knowing how this happens before our two biggest games of the year. What’s the drug testing process? Are tests done every week? Or did someone just decide now was a good time to test.
It’s 100% on the players but if I was the coach I would be warning the whole team during the year about this happening, especially as it gets close to critical games. I see nothing wrong with that.
If Smith and Hardy have 3 positives as mentioned on another thread, I’m wondering if that’s three in this season or over their careers.
These are the same questions I have...doesn't really matter at this point, but I'm curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
The NCAA rules are specific and easy to find. Apparently the NCAA allows the school to police in house, but requires all results be passed on to them. This is why schools can't play around with the results and why schools ALWAYS say "for breaking team rules".
It’s common in various businesses and sports to have random drug tests. If your number comes up, so to speak, you’re tested, if you refuse you’re fired, if you fail, you’re disciplined. This was no surprise to the team. They had to have known there would be random tests either by conference or NCAA RULES.
JMar as the team’s focal player was an idiot and totally irresponsible.
Holtz should collect his gear.
In business, there is a certain amount of discretion that can be used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bone_afide_Dawg
Yes indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Does seem like a self-inflicted wound. Ignorance is bliss.
I laughed as I read the title of this thread. It appears you were a student when you joined this board in 2004. Trust me, you have no idea what things were like in the late 80s and early 90s right after Tech joined the FBS. And it went way beyond the football team into even some women's sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by TechStudent
To say things were crazy at that time would be an understatement. It makes this look like Romper Room.
I'm sure it happens, but I never heard of this happening to football players from other schools --CUSA schools, for example. It's just insane.
LA Tech continues to fail when its time to WIN. This is stuff that never happens. You know, kinda like turning the bowl bid down in 2012. Or, having 6 starting football players suspended only hours before the 2014 CUSA Championship game. Or, hiring a 23-yr old coach for the Lady Techsters. Or, losing 80 something yds on a bad snap against Mississippi State.
We continue to find ways to fail.
It's as if someone at LA Tech can't stand being normal. You just can't make this stupid stuff up.
And you wonder why Tech can’t grow its fan base.
Nah, only the people who wonder are the ones making the decisions. The rest of us have known for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by latech
I guess they are riding the same yellow submarine with JmarQuote:
Originally Posted by techman05
This. I hope they are not allowed to return the rest of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Nah. I want Smith back, at least. I hope we can make it through these two games. Smith can be a backup QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cal&Ken
I would rather have him back and let him ride the pine the rest of the season, that would be a good scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tech52
Thats the idea. I hope we don’t need him. And its a good lesson for him to be able to see that. BUT, if Allen goes down, the whole team does not deserve to suffer under Elliot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BhadDawg
yep hopefully we win out with AA, and we could put Smith in for the final 2 plays of each game and let him run a delayed handoff up the middle. I would personally be happy if his time on the team was done, but I want the best for all the hardwork everyone else has put in.
For information purposes only since some on here might not be aware of this council at Tech. Not saying they or any member did anything wrong at all as I don't know any of the details.
ATHLETICS COUNCIL. Purpose: Reviews intercollegiate athletic programs and activities and makes recommendations to the President for his consideration.
https://catalog.latech.edu/content.p...d=8&navoid=352
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Originally Posted by BhadDawg
I agree completely!! This team has been blessed with a chance to be considered among the seasons ever and these selfish knuckle-heads have likely puffed it away. This season will forever have an asterisk. Most likely it will be for what might have been ala 2012. But it could be they won but only they let a few players off easy for failing drug tests."Quote:
Originally Posted by DallasDog
To put the icing on the cake, I do believe if we win with AA and our other receivers, I think our rep gets a lot better, I think will play a lot in getting us ranked. This team and coach showing that they can still get the job done would be a huge statement in my book.
I know Marshall is playing a game celebrating and honoring players and a period of time when they faced some adversity, but I think this takes our players mind off of Marshall's mission and concentrates it on ours.
Rather than blame our quarterback, who has gotten us to 8-1, I wonder if any Tech people see this as part of the stupidity of the war on drugs. I do, and we're suffering the consequences for it.
I also wonder if people in the NCAA HQ have to take drug tests. If not, why not? It's not like cannabis is an athletic performance enhancing drug. If the NCAA is to be drug free, then the corporate leadership should set the example, especially since they don't have to deal with athletes' physical pains.
Impeach fowty five!Quote:
Originally Posted by jharris
I don't get it.
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Originally Posted by PawDawg
Nope, I see it as a young adult that knows the law, ignored the law, and harmed his team, his school that provided his education, and the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by jharris
We all make mistakes...heaven knows I've done much worse. This is a learning experience for him and I hope it makes him a better person. Personally, I wish him good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cal&Ken
I just hope Skip doesn't play "not to lose" tonight, because Marshall is most certainly going to be playing to win.
If he wants to win, he will go aggressive. Dont fold!
At least a try at a fourth down conversion will send the message we came to win, even more so if we accomplish a fourth down conversion.
https://www.vox.com/2016/3/22/112787...s-racism-nixon
The historic record shows that the desired policy outcome of the initiation of the "War on Drugs" was the oppression of black people. Given that fact, it's unsurprising that a black athlete has been ensnared in it.
Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's ethical. Slavery was legal. Jim Crow was legal. The "War on Drugs" is the latest, legal implementation of this nation's effort to oppress black people.
It's unfortunate that people feel greater loyalty to a racist, unethical law than they do to another human being with whom they have a connection, even it is as just a sports fan.
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Originally Posted by Cal&Ken
This was not a mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
:rolleyes:
Yeah. Most of my "mistakes" were on purpose, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuBru
The question of legality or "right-ness" are irrelevant at this point in time. The current rules have been in place for years. The consequences of violating the rules are well known. Every single school and player in the country are dealing with the same situation. Until the rules change it is what it is.
Our players rolled the dice, selfishly, and lost. Criticism of the Tech or the coaches is in my opinion, are misplaced. The players shouldn't be surprised at the criticism of them or lack of sympathy for them.
I agree with the last sentence.
No one is served by this but those who value the oppressive aspect of the "War on Drugs." And this incident is a minor example of its injustices.
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Originally Posted by tenacious_dog
Impeech fowty five!Quote:
Originally Posted by jharris
If JMar starts against UTSA, my family will walk out.
You should be questioning why Tech administration decided to administer the test in the first place this shit does not happen to any other program. And you can’t tell me that smoking pot is strictly a Tech thing. Way to screw your own program Tech
I am not upset at all with the school. It’s illegal in Louisiana. IMO, anyone who wants to put something in their body, legal or not, which is designed to impair it should get no sympathy if they are caught.Quote:
Originally Posted by beaux66
I’d rather him than Elliott if Allen is out with broken thumb !!!
How do you know they weren’t random tests?Quote:
Originally Posted by beaux66
He doesn't know anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by bubdawg
All four guys who were punished knew they had to pass a test a couple of weeks ago since they had all failed a test back in September. All they had to do was lay off the weed after they tested positive in September. They pretty much said, "screw it. I'll keep doing it". Skip and some of our "leaders" are looking to blame the higher ups. Total BS.
This has been part (not all) of the culture that Holtz can't seem to manage. Carlos Henderson is an early example.
Medical cannabis is legal in Louisiana.
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Originally Posted by techman05
Yes, well, I’m not sure Dr. Phillips at Green Clinic wrote them a prescriptionQuote:
Originally Posted by jharris
I actually agree with you. LA Tech is too stupid for its own good sometimes. This is a great example of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by beaux66
So, whay aren't college football fans seeing these type of suspensions anywhere else? IMO, we should all be playing by the same rules, not different rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by tenacious_dog
That's not what happened. Smith and the other 3 were the stupid and selfish ones. All they had to do was stay clean. They KNEW they were going to be testedQuote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
I'm sure LSU and Alabama both tested before last weeks game and everyone was clean.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
You don't really believe our guys were tested this week, just before the game do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Who's the 4th fool? Smith, Hardy, Jackson, and who?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
nah, they just had a double meat whopper with extra sesame seeds from Griffs! Yeah, that's the ticket!!....or maybe someone spiked their RC Cola.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
11 states and DC have legalized marijuana for "recreational" use
20 more states --including Louisiana-- have "broadly legalized" marijuana for medical purposes
Other states, such as Virginia, enacted laws decades ago allowing for the possession of marijuana if individuals received prescriptions from doctors. States like Alabama and Mississippi, for instance, maintain laws permitting medical weed for severe epileptic conditions.
https://www.governing.com/gov-data/s...reational.html
Our second string deep snapper who Holtz gave a spot to as a favor to an old friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
:laugh::laugh: Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
...it doesn't matter, PD. It's just more Louisiana Tech shit. If LSU was playing by these same rules, they wouldn't be able to outfit a team.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Right, well, you wouldn't, because a patient's medical records are private by law (to use a popular word in this thread).
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Originally Posted by techman05
Sheesh!Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Thanks
...or maybe lsu actually monitors their guys they know like the weed.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Our guys failed a test back in September. They knew they would be tested again, but kept tokin' anyway. I suppose you could blame Holtz for not staying on their ass, but not LaTech for following NCAA rules. This has been mentioned several times, but this is a pattern with many Holtz players going back to Carlos Henderson. Holtz obviously lacks the management skills to keep them in line.
....so you're saying, Louisiana Tech has the ONLY STARTING PLAYERS IN AMERICA tokin on marijuana weed during football season, and breaking NCAA rules as a result? :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
. Thanks for posting the truth! None of them should be allowed back this year. They knew they had to take the test and didn’t care who they harmed. Obviously Skip didn’t address this harshly enough when they failed the first time! Winning is important, but they easily could have won against some of the crappy teams we played sitting them for a game the first time. The picture would have been clearer for them about the results now.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Maybe Skippy is trying to be their friend, not their coach.
I know from experience you can't cross that line as a head coach. There has to be an arm's-length distance between a coach and his players (or a shorter distance in the case of a certain former Techster coach, ahem...). Once a coach becomes "friends" with his players, it's over.
That's not at all what I said. Athletes were smokin' weed when you and I were at Tech back in the 70s. We lost two of our best athletes to drug issues back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Some guys can't be monitored or helped. Some coaches (Holtz) don't care enough about the players, team, or overall program to stay on top of the players who can cause problems.
Skip Holtz has done this twice now. He suspended 6 starters --for academic reasons-- right before LA Tech's 2104 appearance in the CUSA Championship game. Now he has suspended 3 more starters for undisclosed reasons, on the eve of an extremely important road game that held many conference title implications. He lost both games.
Do you guys know how RARELY this happens to a school once, much less twice? In only a 5-yr timeframe, no less?
I'm starting to think Skip Holtz finds some kind of sick pleasure from suspending important starters just before important games. Before you laugh, note that his daddy did it back in 1977 when he suspended 3 starters just before his Arkansas team played and beat #2 ranked Oklahoma 31-6 in the 1978 Orange Bowl. After that, Lou Holtz was forever remembered as a great coach, who wasn't afraid to "do the right thing". Lou Holtz even got the Notre Dame job because of this.
Doing something similar becomes a no lose situation for Skip. Rinse and repeat. If his team wins without the suspended starters, he's a hero (like daddy). If he loses the game, well he can't be held accountable because, "Oh well, he didn't have all his starters playing".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-91a8b99759a8/
I can be easily convinced that all of these screwups are on purpose. It is just too predictable. No other team has the consistency of bad luck that we doQuote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Are you sure Skip had a choice?
I think Skip is a lot smarter than his bosses if that's what you meanQuote:
Originally Posted by Cal&Ken
HD those players flunked out in 2014. He didn't suspend them. Four of them were jucos who didn't even go to class.
We won't know if he lost any this year until Winter Quarter begins.
Miss St suspended 4 announced today. It happens everywhere. Given the high profile of two of ours, that is abnormal. Don’t KNOW who that’s on. None of the stories being pushed are 100% internally consistent.
Doesn’t matter. It’s over. I’ll watch the last few games, but my interest has been severely dampened.
So they were suspended the DAY AFTER they played Bama? That'll show 'em. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Do we even know who they are, what positions they play, or what they were suspended for? I'm guessing you're going to tell me "no". ;)
If you look in the top left corner of posts, they are date stamped. They suspended the 4 BEFORE the BAMA game. I don’t know who they are because I don’t follow MS State. They were suspended for the same reason our guys were...for violating team rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Amazing the number of booster and fans that are walking away and / or ready to burn down the athletic program then rebuild.
Not really when you think about how many times we have done this rinse and repeat. Get headed in the right direction and then blow our own feet off. Most of the die hard fans have seen this so many times, and blind loyalty on gets you so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by faninmonroe
I think everyone would agree that people wouldn’t be this worked up if some outside force had us derailed over and over. We would be pissed, but not like we are when it is self inflicted, whether it be at the player level or at the president level.
Mississippi State Football SuspensionsQuote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Clempson
AlerBama
To me, the issue is not "does this happen anywhere but Tech?"
It's that "why does this happen at Tech at the most strategic times, in creative and new ways each time, on a consistent and extremely predictable basis?" That's the question we need to answer.
The question should be how do you prevent it? 18-24 year old kids are going to make poor decisions, that is predictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
BS! All talk. We just want better answers on this one and equivalency within the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by faninmonroe
It's "Da Man's fault" down in Baton Rouge and who listened to "Da Man" in Ruston. La Tech got to uppity, too close to being ranked and in a great Bowl game don't you know. JK...but I wouldn't doubt it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
It's not like that hasn't happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Let's say this was unpreventable (unlikely) and not malicious (almost certain).
Why do these things continue to happen? I need not repeat the litany. The one thing they have in common is that they hurt Tech right as we're about to make a big step. They also could be explained by malice, incompetence, or simple random bad luck.
So how do we prevent it?
Two LSU starting Offensive lineman were suspended for Ole Miss game too
You guys stop. You are destroying the narrative!Quote:
Originally Posted by bubdawg
Yep! they were caught actually attending class! :shocked2:Quote:
Originally Posted by bubdawg
Yep, and it makes us keep a bottle of Excedrin close by!!Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
When they make a MAJOR screw up.....Duct tape them naked to the flag pole!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle2180
Boy oh boy would that open a can of worms in today's soft society....The Ruston police, DA's office, campus police and Tech administration would all then be involved and you would most likely be arrested for HAZING and the program shut down.....Quote:
Originally Posted by 70TECHGRAD
I am not very sympathetic to the “they are just young kids” argument when it comes to players like a 5th year starting QB.
Or maybe do the old Tech athlete tradition naked "Record Races" but this time outside in the quadrangle.Quote:
Originally Posted by 70TECHGRAD
You are CORRECT, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
Some folks just don't get it, and never will get it. They are "willfully ignorant", just to be argumentative. They'll equate Miss St suspending a backup interior linemen due to "breaking team rules" (i.e, one guy got a DWI, another case got a cruelty to animals charge) in Week 1, to us losing a 5th Yr starting QB in Week 12, who was suspended for smoking Cannabis. And never mind that our guy is a team leader who has started about 40 consecutive games, and we're on the cusp of a CUSA title. Hardly comparable circumstances.
...again....another guy that just doesn't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bubdawg
- Offensive Linemen? :laugh:
- Ole Miss game :laugh:
- One of these OL (Austin Deculus) missed the Ole Miss game due to an INJURY :laugh:
- The other LSU OL (Saahdiq Charles) also missed 4 other games this season for various reasons :laugh:
- A 3rd OL, (backup Ed Ingram) missed the first 4 games of the season before being reinstated to the team. :laugh:
So, that's 3 LSU OL that missed the Ole Miss game, for various reasons. But absolutely NONE Of those LSU players had circumstances even remotely similar to what J'Mars and LA Tech's were. LSU certainly isn't dependent" on any of these guys the way LA Tech is Smith and Hardy.
* So, nice try. But you know this makes you look like one of two things:
1) Either you're a liar, or
2) Or you're just very sloppy.
* I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time, and just assume you were being sloppy.
https://247sports.com/college/lsu/Ar...ers-138427704/
.....so now you have THE REST of the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Where's that narrative again? ;)
So, these players missed games due to “various reasons”. Just because they weren’t all suspended due to drugs for the Ole Miss game, that automatically negates the fact that Tech is not the only one suffering for player suspensions due to violations of team rules, or other internally handled matters? I thought the purpose of posting other suspensions would be verification that Tech isn’t on an island.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Or are we complaining strictly about the timing? Meaning other schools would find a way to suspend players for a game against Grambling instead of Marshall?
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Originally Posted by techman05
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Originally Posted by techman05
It’s so simple that it’s complicated.
We have to pass it to see what’s in it.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
Don’t ever go full retard.
Hearsay is more credible than direct information.
Cats and dogs, living together, it’s mass hysteria.
what about Divinity? He’s letting his team down too.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Okay, HD, I really need to understand exactly what your frustration is and give me examples of other schools doing things the way you wish we were or giving samples of us doing things that no other school ever does and they frustrates you. I am trying very hard to understand.
You can give him any example you want and it wont be good enough. He'll say its not the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
The appeal to purity is a logical fallacy wherein one keeps shifting the definition to exclude any counterexamples offered.
You really need a new Schtick. The logical fallacy thing is very, very old for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
Hard to disagree here. Logic is so passe.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg