If it's true So. Miss to the Sun Belt...

I'm going to miss you guys as conference oppenents. It was good to have So. Miss and LA Tech doing their thing annually. I wish you guys would jump with us. But I know alot of are dead set against the Sun Belt

McMurphy is saying that Sunbelt isn't looking to expand and I can believe it. ESPN has been pushing alot of these realignments and I don't think ESPN has a reason to add teams to the Sunbelt. The Sunbelt is perfect for odd week night filler and bowl game fillers. Adding 2-4 teams won't pish the needle for them.

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Originally Posted by madeagle

I'm going to miss you guys as conference oppenents. It was good to have So. Miss and LA Tech doing their thing annually. I wish you guys would jump with us. But I know alot of are dead set against the Sun Belt

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Thanks, Madeagle. We have enjoyed being conference mates with y'all too...and I'm hoping we can continue. That being said, this Tech fan is certainly not "dead set against" a Sun Belt that includes USM (and maybe Marshall and WKU).

Staying in a conference with USM is my top priority.

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I'm going to miss you guys as conference oppenents. It was good to have So. Miss and LA Tech doing their thing annually. I wish you guys would jump with us. But I know alot of are dead set against the Sun Belt

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Source?

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Source?

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Some blogger on the Internet...

Must be true.

I don't have any sources. But there's a couple who've been pretty much right about things saying it's a done deal.

I don't have any sources. But there's a couple guys who've been pretty much right about things in the past saying it's a done deal.

I wouldn’t doubt that the six to the AAC and you guys and Marshall to the Sun Belt are a done deal and our administration is still discussing putting together an exploratory committee to look into conference realignment.

Y’all shouldn’t worry because I have it from a fairly reliable source that somewhere on campus the Tech powers at be are crowded in an undisclosed dark closet handing a Magic 8 Ball back and forth asking it what to do and what’s going to happen in Tech’s future.

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I wouldn’t doubt that the six to the AAC and you guys and Marshall to the Sun Belt are a done deal and our administration is still discussing putting together an exploratory committee to look into conference realignment.

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Fear not: Dr. Wood, ED is the guy and Guice gets it.

They will be announcing our invitation to the ACC any day now

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Originally Posted by Blue Dawg

Fear not: Dr. Wood, ED is the guy and Guice gets it.

They will be announcing our invitation to the ACC any day now

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I think you mean the GCC. We are going backwards, remember.

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Originally Posted by Blue Dawg

Fear not: Dr. Wood, ED is the guy and Guice gets it.

They will be announcing our invitation to the ACC any day now

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I am sure the only announcement we will get is the usual "well, we tried guys". Not any detail etc. just the old trust us.

I have an old friend that is deeply involved with USM athletics. This morning he told me that USM is moving to the SBC as soon as possible. It is 100% certainty.

I asked about LaTech moving to the SBC and he stated that he knows if no other schools joining or leaving the SBC.

The To The Top podcast says it's happening: https://twitter.com/ToTheTopTalk/sta...21611364491266

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Originally Posted by faninmonroe

I have an old friend that is deeply involved with USM athletics. This morning he told me that USM is moving to the SBC as soon as possible. It is 100% certainty.

I asked about LaTech moving to the SBC and he stated that he knows if no other schools joining or leaving the SBC.

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What advantage hath the Sunbelt?

Not being snarky, why is the SBC better than the gutted CUSA? Both seem to be much in the same boat to me.

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What advantage hath the Sunbelt?

Not being snarky, why is the SBC better than the gutted CUSA? Both seem to be much in the same boat to me.

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Also not being snarky. The SBC has better football, earns more in cfp payouts as a result, has much lower travel costs, has a more lucrative media deal, and has more national exposure.

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What advantage hath the Sunbelt?

Not being snarky, why is the SBC better than the gutted CUSA? Both seem to be much in the same boat to me.

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I don't think "better" is necessarily THE reason USM is supposedly leaving for the Sun Belt. USM hasn't come at this decision easily, that isn't the way they roll in Hattiesburg. If they go to the SBC, that means that USM has looked at everything they can envision at this time...and they've made the decision that for USM, the Sun Belt makes the most sense.

I sincerely wish them the best, they've been good conference mates.

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Also not being snarky. The SBC has better football, earns more in cfp payouts as a result, has much lower travel costs, has a more lucrative media deal, and has more national exposure.

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They do not have more national exposure. Their football has done better than CUSA over about 1 and a half years. Other than that, there is no name brand in that conference. Ask most people who Appy State is and they would not know. Even more, they probably think most of the Belt is FCS. I think it is unbelievably short sighted for USM to join, if they do.

No matter what happens, I’ll be glad to be rid of CUAB. I’d rather share a conference with anybody but those obnoxious pricks. I figure once the dust settles we will wind up in the Sunbelt. Maybe not this round, but soon. Tech adds too much for them to spite just because of past history.

I think it boils down to the question -

Do you want to be associated with

Southern Miss
USL
Arkansas St
South Alabama
Troy

or

ODU
JMU
FIU
MTSU

To me, I'll take the former not the later

If you remove your blue and red goggles you can see with more clarity

Now the question remains will we even be issued an invite? That remains to be seen and tea leaves don't look promising

Either way - I've basically reconciled myself to the fact I'm going to start spending alot more of my disposable income on me and mine instead of propping up Tech

Belt will be gaining a real dumpster fire with USM. Yes we have some history. Yes we have decent facilities and fan support.
But it looks as though 3 of our last 5 coaching hires don't belong in D-1 football. We can still right the ship but the clock is ticking.
The decline of USM Football really damaged CUSA.

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Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden

I think it boils down to the question -

Do you want to be associated with

Southern Miss
USL
Arkansas St
South Alabama
Troy

or

ODU
JMU
FIU
MTSU

To me, I'll take the former not the later

If you remove your blue and red goggles you can see with more clarity

Now the question remains will we even be issued an invite? That remains to be seen and tea leaves don't look promising

Either way - I've basically reconciled myself to the fact I'm going to start spending alot more of my disposable income on me and mine instead of propping up Tech

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The other choice is:
SMU
Tulsa
Tulane, etc..

My hope is that our goal is that and not settling for less. I know most of us are not privy to the internal discussions, but I haven't seen anything at all stating that we do not have a chance. Anyway, I am always the optimist (as most of you label me), so I will keep holding on to the chance. I was wrong about getting in CUSA on the first round over UTEP, but we did get in on the next round soon after. I have no clue what will happen, so I may as well hope for the best... It is certainly better than hoping for the alternative, which are the two choices you posted.

I will, also, add that one conference having a couple of good years does not make it that much better than the current one. I would have thought Southern Miss would have figured that out. The Belt is still the Belt and a year and a half of being decent in football will not change that. I would venture to say that they will not continue any success for any sustained period of time. We are WAY too reactive to a year of success.

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The other choice is:
SMU
Tulsa
Tulane, etc..

My hope is that our goal is that and not settling for less. I know most of us are not privy to the internal discussions, but I haven't seen anything at all stating that we do not have a chance. Anyway, I am always the optimist (as most of you label me), so I will keep holding on to the chance. I was wrong about getting in CUSA on the first round over UTEP, but we did get in on the next round soon after. I have no clue what will happen, so I may as well hope for the best... It is certainly better than hoping for the alternative, which are the two choices you posted.

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Ironically, the C-USA invite to UTEP will be it's ultimate undoing. UTEP really belongs in the MWC, NOT C-USA. It is an outlier that has drained the regional pocketbooks of the conference and failed to add any real value in it's time in the C-USA.

So ultimately Memphis killed the C-USA.

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They do not have more national exposure. Their football has done better than CUSA over about 1 and a half years. Other than that, there is no name brand in that conference. Ask most people who Appy State is and they would not know. Even more, they probably think most of the Belt is FCS. I think it is unbelievably short sighted for USM to join, if they do.

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The SBC has beaten C-USA in every legitimate ranking (like the CFP) for the past three years, and it will almost certainly happen this year too.

As far as national exposure is concerned, C-USA basically has none. Your conference games are on channels or platforms that nobody has, and nobody watches. The SBC is an ESPN conference. They have weekly conference games on ESPN and ESPN2. ESPN talks about Sun Belt games on College Gameday and Sportscenter.

And given that App State has been ranked 2 or 3 times in the past few years, if someone really thinks they are FCS then they clearly aren’t a real college football fan.

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Originally Posted by champion110

The other choice is:
SMU
Tulsa
Tulane, etc..

My hope is that our goal is that and not settling for less. I know most of us are not privy to the internal discussions, but I haven't seen anything at all stating that we do not have a chance. Anyway, I am always the optimist (as most of you label me), so I will keep holding on to the chance. I was wrong about getting in CUSA on the first round over UTEP, but we did get in on the next round soon after. I have no clue what will happen, so I may as well hope for the best... It is certainly better than hoping for the alternative, which are the two choices you posted.

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That is a wish -

Not a choice

There is a difference

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Originally Posted by GEAUX UL

The SBC has beaten C-USA in every legitimate ranking (like the CFP) for the past three years, and it will almost certainly happen this year too.

As far as national exposure is concerned, C-USA basically has none. Your conference games are on channels or platforms that nobody has, and nobody watches. The SBC is an ESPN conference. They have weekly conference games on ESPN and ESPN2. ESPN talks about Sun Belt games on College Gameday and Sportscenter.

And given that App State has been ranked 2 or 3 times in the past few years, if someone really thinks they are FCS then they clearly aren’t a real college football fan.

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The Belt being an ESPN conference is the reason that Tech will end up in the Belt if CUSA dissolves.

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The Belt being an ESPN conference is the reason that Tech will end up in the Belt if CUSA dissolves.

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I seriously doubt it. USM is first in line in the West, and the Sun Belt will be looking East for expansion after that.

The only chance you would have is if ULM decides to drop down to FCS, but that’s probably not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by GEAUX UL

I seriously doubt it. USM is first in line in the West, and the Sun Belt will be looking East for expansion after that.

The only chance you would have is if ULM decides to drop down to FCS, but that’s probably not going to happen.

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Damn you really are obsessed with Tech.

You have spent more time on our boards than the RaginPagin. :laugh:

From a football standpoint the Sun Belt is improving. I mean alot of you sound like me two years ago. This isn't your big brother's Sun Belt. USA just opened a new Stadium. Georgia Southern is building a new indoor practice facility. Bringing in really respected coaches Louisiana-Monroe with Rich Rodriguez and South Alabama with Major Applewhite. Based on what I've heard their TV deal pays out almost a million per team. Oh yeah they're ACTUALLY on TV. I mean you actually see App State, Louisiana, Coastal Carolina etc... On ESPN. Recruits can relate college football to ESPN. In the mind of an 18 yr old kid. He'd rather play on ESPN than Facebook, Stadium, Bein.

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Originally Posted by GEAUX UL

I seriously doubt it. USM is first in line in the West, and the Sun Belt will be looking East for expansion after that.

The only chance you would have is if ULM decides to drop down to FCS, but that’s probably not going to happen.

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Dude -

Administration at both USL and NLU, along with those at A-State and So Ala want nothing more than Tech to be forced to accept an invite to the SBC for all sports

You know why?

$$$$$$$$$

No ONE and I mean NO ONE else will drive home gates in all sports at those schools like we do -

Not USM, not Marshall, not FIU, MTSU, not UTEP - NO ONE...

They will make bank and increase gate in football, baseball and basketball by 30 to 40% from us just walking into the place - EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE loves to HATE the HEEL

They will want us to sweat bullets - but in the end dollar bills always talk

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Originally Posted by talonofdeath

Belt will be gaining a real dumpster fire with USM. Yes we have some history. Yes we have decent facilities and fan support.
But it looks as though 3 of our last 5 coaching hires don't belong in D-1 football. We can still right the ship but the clock is ticking.
The decline of USM Football really damaged CUSA.

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Our HC doesn't belong in D-1 Football, so same-same

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Originally Posted by GEAUX UL

I seriously doubt it. USM is first in line in the West, and the Sun Belt will be looking East for expansion after that.

The only chance you would have is if ULM decides to drop down to FCS, but that’s probably not going to happen.

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You may doubt it, but nothing in your post was serious.

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Originally Posted by champion110

The other choice is:
SMU
Tulsa
Tulane, etc..

My hope is that our goal is that and not settling for less. I know most of us are not privy to the internal discussions, but I haven't seen anything at all stating that we do not have a chance. Anyway, I am always the optimist (as most of you label me), so I will keep holding on to the chance. I was wrong about getting in CUSA on the first round over UTEP, but we did get in on the next round soon after. I have no clue what will happen, so I may as well hope for the best... It is certainly better than hoping for the alternative, which are the two choices you posted.

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You'd think we'd know something by now, if only a rumor. We weren't in the list of schools the AAC is expected to invite. We're not in the list of schools the SBC is expected to invite. There is still a lot up in the air, of course, but we are on no lists and are not in any public conversation.

Maybe we'll pull something out at the last minute. That worries me.

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Originally Posted by talonofdeath

Belt will be gaining a real dumpster fire with USM. Yes we have some history. Yes we have decent facilities and fan support.
But it looks as though 3 of our last 5 coaching hires don't belong in D-1 football. We can still right the ship but the clock is ticking.
The decline of USM Football really damaged CUSA.

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Stupid comment man. Will Hall will win at Southern Miss. Man is literally playing with his 3rd and 4th string quarterbacks. We're also finding out just how bad Jay Hopson let things get in terms of team culture and strength and conditioning. There's a reason we sold more season tickets this year previous years

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Stupid comment man. Will Hall will win at Southern Miss. Man is literally playing with his 3rd and 4th string quarterbacks. We're also finding out just how bad Jay Hopson let things get in terms of team culture and strength and conditioning. There's a reason we sold more season tickets this year previous years

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We would have some wins if Abraham was still here this season, but he would probably be hurt by now too.

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Damn you really are obsessed with Tech.

You have spent more time on our boards than the RaginPagin. :laugh:

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I was thinking the same thing. I can't say I care what goes on with any other team, but he keeps coming back. :laugh:

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I was thinking the same thing. I can't say I care what goes on with any other team, but he keeps coming back. :laugh:

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Take it as a compliment. The reason the Cajun fans are coming HERE, is because we obviously aren't giving them what they need THERE.

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Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden

Dude -

EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE loves to HATE the HEEL

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Never thought of Tech as the Ric Flair of college football, but...


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden

Dude -

Administration at both USL and NLU, along with those at A-State and So Ala want nothing more than Tech to be forced to accept an invite to the SBC for all sports

You know why?

$$$$$$$$$

No ONE and I mean NO ONE else will drive home gates in all sports at those schools like we do -

Not USM, not Marshall, not FIU, MTSU, not UTEP - NO ONE...

They will make bank and increase gate in football, baseball and basketball by 30 to 40% from us just walking into the place - EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE loves to HATE the HEEL

They will want us to sweat bullets - but in the end dollar bills always talk

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Dude…

If you’re a heel, you’re a heel in WCW circa 2000. Vince McMahon (AAC) just took all the faces he wanted, and ECW (Sun Belt) already has its own thing working well and doesn’t want you.

We already play y’all in all sports but football. Trust me, y’all don’t really move the needle for us in ticket sales. Whatever money we might make in ticket sales won’t come close to offsetting the cfp and media money we’d have to share with y’all. With that said, I’m sure UL and ULM would vote for you if only for political reasons. You might also get Texas St. But A-State, South Al, and Troy don’t want you, and neither do any of the Eastern schools who want better travel in the East.

USM has been in discussions with the SBC for a while now. Those discussions started well before this round of conference realignment. In fact, they probably started right around the time your AD had that crazy and insecure rant about how bad the SBC was compared to C-USA. Y’all spent decades trying to “separate” yourselves from the SBC. Y’all made your choices.

Anybody subscribe to the Athletic - https://t.co/jFupMziSBo?amp=1 SBC may take up to 4 schools

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Originally Posted by champion110

They do not have more national exposure. Their football has done better than CUSA over about 1 and a half years. Other than that, there is no name brand in that conference. Ask most people who Appy State is and they would not know. Even more, they probably think most of the Belt is FCS. I think it is unbelievably short sighted for USM to join, if they do.

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This is the kind of arrogance and comments that demonstrate why La Tech finds themselves in in the unenviable position they are in. You obviously have no idea what is going on in the world of College football during this period of realignment and/or what the national perception is of the SBC. You may want to consider glancing at the Top 25 polls during the last couple of years or catch a few nationally televised SBC games when you have some free time. And since you have obviously been living under a rock for a while now, App State has been a well known entity since their upset of the Michigan Wolverines in 2007. But I guess that news has not made its way to Ruston just yet!

But don't worry, the new CUSA will be fine once Sam Houston State, Stephen F. Austin, New Mexico State and possibly Liberty decide if they want to make a move down to that level and join La Tech and the ruminants of what once was CUSA 2.0.

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Dude…

If you’re a heel, you’re a heel in WCW circa 2000. Vince McMahon (AAC) just took all the faces he wanted, and ECW (Sun Belt) already has its own thing working well and doesn’t want you.

We already play y’all in all sports but football. Trust me, y’all don’t really move the needle for us in ticket sales. Whatever money we might make in ticket sales won’t come close to offsetting the cfp and media money we’d have to share with y’all. With that said, I’m sure UL and ULM would vote for you if only for political reasons. You might also get Texas St. But A-State, South Al, and Troy don’t want you, and neither do any of the Eastern schools who want better travel in the East.

USM has been in discussions with the SBC for a while now. Those discussions started well before this round of conference realignment. In fact, they probably started right around the time your AD had that crazy and insecure rant about how bad the SBC was compared to C-USA. Y’all spent decades trying to “separate” yourselves from the SBC. Y’all made your choices.

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Hahahaha...yeah. USM was so ticked at TMac that they approached the belt!

Day drinking...good for you!

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This is the kind of arrogance and comments that demonstrate why La Tech finds themselves in in the unenviable position they are in. You obviously have no idea what is going on in the world of College football during this period of realignment and/or what the national perception is of the SBC. You may want to consider glancing at the Top 25 polls during the last couple of years or catch a few nationally televised SBC games when you have some free time. And since you have obviously been living under a rock for a while now, App State has been a well known entity since their upset of the Michigan Wolverines in 2007. But I guess that news has not made its way to Ruston just yet!

But don't worry, the new CUSA will be fine once Sam Houston State, Stephen F. Austin, New Mexico State and possibly Liberty decide if they want to make a move down to that level and join La Tech and the ruminants of what once was CUSA 2.0.

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So, be honest, how pissed will you be if Tech is added to the Belt?

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Take it as a compliment. The reason the Cajun fans are coming HERE, is because we obviously aren't giving them what they need THERE.

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No that is not true. The reason Cajuns fans are coming here is because we remember a time when UL was down in the dumps and La Tech fans flooded our message boards and dumped crap on us every chance they got. Now the shoe is on the other foot and some of you can't accept the fact that the rolls are now reversed. As a young boy, someone told me not to spit up in the air, because sometimes it falls back on your face!

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Originally Posted by CajunDave1

This is the kind of arrogance and comments that demonstrate why La Tech finds themselves in in the unenviable position they are in. You obviously have no idea... You may want to consider ... when you have some free time.... And since you have obviously been living under a rock... fBut I guess that news has not made its way to Ruston just yet!

But don't worry, the new CUSA will be fine once ...

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Champion110, bless it...I think you touched a nerve.

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No that is not true. The reason Cajuns fans are coming here is because we remember a time when UL was down in the dumps and La Tech fans flooded our message boards and dumped crap on us every chance they got. Now the shoe is on the other foot and some of you can't accept the fact that the rolls are now reversed. As a young boy, someone told me not to spit up in the air, because sometimes it falls back on your face!

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I call baloney. We never did that. No one on this board anyway. That's not how we roll

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No that is not true. The reason Cajuns fans are coming here is because we remember a time when UL was down in the dumps and La Tech fans flooded our message boards and dumped crap on us every chance they got. Now the shoe is on the other foot and some of you can't accept the fact that the rolls are now reversed. As a young boy, someone told me not to spit up in the air, because sometimes it falls back on your face!

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Wait, let me make sure I am understanding you correctly. So, instead of demonstrating that the "UL" fan base is above such insufferable pain and atrocity, you think it to be your duty and obligation to be the one to make sure we know that the "shoe's on the 'other' foot" -- got it. That's exactly the way I'd handle it. Grace and Dignity.

Now that you've gotten that off your chest, I sincerely hope you can sleep better tonight.

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I call baloney. We never did that. No one on this board anyway. That's not how we roll

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What is their chat board anyway? Something like www.cajundroppings.com? Or am I confusing that with something else?

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Originally Posted by CajunDave1

This is the kind of arrogance and comments that demonstrate why La Tech finds themselves in in the unenviable position they are in. You obviously have no idea what is going on in the world of College football during this period of realignment and/or what the national perception is of the SBC. You may want to consider glancing at the Top 25 polls during the last couple of years or catch a few nationally televised SBC games when you have some free time. And since you have obviously been living under a rock for a while now, App State has been a well known entity since their upset of the Michigan Wolverines in 2007. But I guess that news has not made its way to Ruston just yet!

But don't worry, the new CUSA will be fine once Sam Houston State, Stephen F. Austin, New Mexico State and possibly Liberty decide if they want to make a move down to that level and join La Tech and the ruminants of what once was CUSA 2.0.

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I haven't lived in Ruston since the 80's when I was at Tech. I travel and you are absolutely clueless, but you are on our board - which says a WHOLE LOT...

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Champion110, bless it...I think you touched a nerve.

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I tend to do that... :laugh:

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...the ruminants of what once was CUSA 2.0.

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I don't mean to be picky, but I think you mean "remnants." Ruminants are large animals that chew their cud and have 4 stomachs. I believe the only ruminants in CUSA are Marshall's Thundering Herd of Bison, and it sounds like they may be going to another conference, so the ruminant wouldn't be a remnant anyway.

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I don't mean to be picky, but I think you mean "remnants." Ruminants are large animals that chew their cud and have 4 stomachs. I believe the only ruminants in CUSA are Marshall's Thundering Herd of Bison, and it sounds like they may be going to another conference, so the ruminant wouldn't be a remnant anyway.

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It's also a contemplative person or one given to meditation.

I think it was a compliment.

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It's also a contemplative person or one given to meditation.

I think it was a compliment.

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One who ruminates as if chewing over a cud

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Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden

I think it boils down to the question -

Do you want to be associated with

Southern Miss
USL
Arkansas St
South Alabama
Troy

or

ODU
JMU
FIU
MTSU

To me, I'll take the former not the later

If you remove your blue and red goggles you can see with more clarity

Now the question remains will we even be issued an invite? That remains to be seen and tea leaves don't look promising

Either way - I've basically reconciled myself to the fact I'm going to start spending a lot more of my disposable income on me and mine instead of propping up Tech

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Same here. I won't continue financially supporting LA Tech in the Sunbelt. I'd rather not spend my time and money on this program if this is what everybody is hoping for. I've never been a fan of the Sunbelt, and I don't intend to start being one now.

All I can say is, I guess this LA Tech "football supporter" thing has run its' course for my family. We can certainly find other things to do with the money. Tech just doesn't seem to have the leadership who knows how to overcome the "small market" label.

I figured we were in big trouble about a month ago (before the SMU game) when I personally learned that James Davison was NOT aware of the AAC moving to expand, and nobody at Tech was using the week of the SMU game to host Mike Aresco and other AAC officials. I mean, if Mr. Davison doesn't know anything, then what the hell is going on? You may recall that I wrote a post that week saying I couldn't believe that Dr Eric Wood and company weren't hosting AAC Commissioner Mike Aresco or SMU's leadership out at Squire Creek during the Week of the SMU game. Of course, after I inquired about it, everybody Jumped into Fire Drill mode on about Wednesday of that week, but Tech officials never even got a return call from Aresco.

So now Tech fans have to sit back and watch 6 CUSA teams --5 teams that LA Tech holds a football series advantage over, and one (FAU) that's tied, 1-1-- get invited to the AAC while LA Tech doesn't. We must have the WORST SALE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD in charge of our athletic operations at LA Tech.

It's very hard being a LA Tech fan these days. And that's without even considering what the psycho Skip Holtz is doing to screw up our football team.

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From a football standpoint the Sun Belt is improving. I mean alot of you sound like me two years ago. This isn't your big brother's Sun Belt. USA just opened a new Stadium. Georgia Southern is building a new indoor practice facility. Bringing in really respected coaches Louisiana-Monroe with Rich Rodriguez and South Alabama with Major Applewhite. Based on what I've heard their TV deal pays out almost a million per team. Oh yeah they're ACTUALLY on TV. I mean you actually see App State, Louisiana, Coastal Carolina etc... On ESPN. Recruits can relate college football to ESPN. In the mind of an 18 yr old kid. He'd rather play on ESPN than Facebook, Stadium, Bein.

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I've watched that idiot form ULL post a lot of incorrect information while stupid Tech fans just eat it up because they don't know any better. But your stupid comment about the Sunbelt's ESPN TV package is absurd. The SBC's "TV Package" with ESPN is only worth 200K per school, per year, and that's a fact. Furthermore, it will likely go down per school when USM joins, because ESPN has not agreed to compensate the Sunbelt for the addition of USM. BTW, CUSA's TV contract --which is not with ESPN-- is said to be between 100K and 200K per school, so very much in the neighborhood of the Sunbelt's, but without having to play games on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, and Friday's.

Also, this was posted on the CUSA Board last week by a Marshall fan. These numbers for 2019-2020 show CUSA earning much more than the Sunbelt schools. You can read the entire thread here is you wish: https://csnbbs.com/thread-929769.html

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I have obtained the Form 990s for the G5 conferences for their fiscal years ending June 30, 2019, and June 30, 2020. Obviously, June 30, 2021 Form 990s have not yet been filed.

In terms of dollars, the AAC ranks as the clear top dog in the G5, with the Sun Belt Conference as the poor man.

Total revenues of each conference are set forth below.

AAC 2019 $73,203,230
MWC 2019 $57,058,330
CUSA 2019 $44,250,642
MAC 2019 $30,848,489
SBC 2019 $33,072,881

AAC 2020 $111,278,729
MWC 2020 $ (not available)
CUSA 2020 $40,861,629
MAC 2020 $32,241,698
SBC 2020 $31,584,812

Revenues from TV/media rights are interesting. These amounts are included in the total revenues above.

AAC 2019 $22,726,100
MWC 2019 $14,232,915
CUSA 2019 $6,968,263
MAC 2019 $8,639,734
SBC 2019 $3,920,523

AAC 2020 $43,988,700
MWC 2020 $ (not available)
CUSA 2020 $6,440,156
MAC 2020 $9,186,590
SBC 2020 $2,250,000

By far, the largest expense amounts for each conference are the grants and distributions they make to their member institutions. The total grant/distribution amounts set forth below are net of any membership dues paid to the conferences. The parenthetical amount represents an average grant/distribution amount for each conference member, although these individual amounts can vary widely depending on the formulas used by each conference to hand out the money.

AAC 2019 $49,635,911 ($4,136,326)
MWC 2019 $42,883,422 ($3,898,493)
CUSA 2019 $27,876,250 ($1,991,161)
MAC 2019 $24,116,351 ($2,009,696)
SBC 2019 $17,959,464 ($1,496,622)

AAC 2020 $65,385,468 ($5,029,651)
MWC 2020 $ (not available)
CUSA 2020 $26,620,665 ($1,901,476)
MAC 2020 $24,530,154 ($2,044,180)
SBC 2020 $14,882,160 ($1,240,180)

Below are the highest payouts to an individual conference member in each year.

AAC 2019 $7,476,770 (UCF)
MWC 2019 $ (not available)
CUSA 2019 $2,921,341 (Middle Tennessee)
MAC 2019 $2,393,714 (Toledo)
SBC 2019 $1,621,356 (Georgia St.)

AAC 2020 $8,656,466 (Memphis)
MWC 2020 $ (not available)
CUSA 2020 $2,739,105 (Marshall)
MAC 2020 $2,386,989 (Buffalo)
SBC 2020 $1,386,608 (Georgia St.)

Finally, one way of measuring the financial health of an organization is to look at its net worth - calculated by determining how much its total assets exceed its total liabilities. This calculation taken from the Form 990 of each conference reveals the following:

AAC 2020 $43,315,213
MWC 2020 $ (not available, but was $7,984,041 in 2019)
CUSA 2020 $8,748,914
MAC 2020 $6,431,401
SBC 2020 $6,457,663

One could conclude from all this financial data that a possible move by Marshall to the AAC might be expected to eventually increase revenues by $2-3 million per year on average, or by as much as $5 million per year if Marshall's teams performed exceedingly well in football and/or men's basketball. Conversely, a possible move by Marshall to the SBC might be expected to decrease revenues by $1 to 1.5 million per year. One might question whether the SBC generates enough money to feed an additional mouth or two through expansion, at least without identifying additional sources of revenue through TV/media rights or other means. Perhaps the recent SBC's TV/media contract extension with ESPN announced in July will generate additional dollars, though none were mentioned in the press release. A move by Marshall to the MAC would be, at best, a lateral one financially.

Of course, all of this becomes even more complicated if CUSA teams start dropping off (UAB/FAU to the AAC? ODU to the Atlantic 10?). After the AAC, I do believe CUSA is the most unstable conference. The idea of forming a new conference sounds great, but is not very practical given the fact it would not have access to the football playoffs, would not have access to an auto berth in the NCAA basketball tournaments, and would not have any established TV/media revenue. Getting an additional auto berth in basketball only takes money away from P5 at-large berth contenders, so good luck getting that approved by the NCAA. It would be difficult for any school to abandon its conference affiliation for a new conference venture given this level of uncertainty.

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No that is not true. The reason Cajuns fans are coming here is because we remember a time when UL was down in the dumps and La Tech fans flooded our message boards and dumped crap on us every chance they got. Now the shoe is on the other foot and some of you can't accept the fact that the rolls are now reversed. As a young boy, someone told me not to spit up in the air, because sometimes it falls back on your face!

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Dave, not all but most of the "Tech" posters who have flamed the Pagin over the years have been posers. And trust me when I say we've looked into it.

I suspect most are LSU grads/fans in the Acadiana area. And I know for a fact one was a McNeese grad.

One example: There was a Tech poster who flamed your board for years and had over a thousand posts on the Pagin with a Tech moniker. This person talked about stuff as far back as the 80s.

One day he admitted on your board he didn't post here on the BBB. The person who used the same moniker on our board was a Tech student.

Keep that in mind. Most of the "Tech" fans flaming your board aren't Tech fans at all.

Lol You guys would really rather stay in CUSA and play home and homes with New Mexico State and FIU over Home and Home games with Southern Miss and Arkansas State?

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Lol You guys would really rather stay in CUSA and play home and homes with New Mexico State and FIU over Home and Home games with Southern Miss and Arkansas State?

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Who said that? All I've seen are posts wishing to remain in a conference with USM, and several others, including UAB. I personally don't like UAB but I respect what they have going and recognize sharing a conference with them is in Tech's best interest. No one I know gives a damn about NMSU and FIU.

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Same here. I won't continue financially supporting LA Tech in the Sunbelt. I'd rather not spend my time and money on this program if this is what everybody is hoping for. I've never been a fan of the Sunbelt, and I don't intend to start being one now.

All I can say is, I guess this LA Tech "football supporter" thing has run its' course for my family. We can certainly find other things to do with the money. Tech just doesn't seem to have the leadership who knows how to overcome the "small market" label.

I figured we were in big trouble about a month ago (before the SMU game) when I personally learned that James Davison was NOT aware of the AAC moving to expand, and nobody at Tech was using the week of the SMU game to host Mike Aresco and other AAC officials. I mean, if Mr. Davison doesn't know anything, then what the hell is going on? You may recall that I wrote a post that week saying I couldn't believe that Dr Eric Wood and company weren't hosting AAC Commissioner Mike Aresco or SMU's leadership out at Squire Creek during the Week of the SMU game. Of course, after I inquired about it, everybody Jumped into Fire Drill mode on about Wednesday of that week, but Tech officials never even got a return call from Aresco.

So now Tech fans have to sit back and watch 6 CUSA teams --5 teams that LA Tech holds a football series advantage over, and one (FAU) that's tied, 1-1-- get invited to the AAC while LA Tech doesn't. We must have the WORST SALE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD in charge of our athletic operations at LA Tech.

It's very hard being a LA Tech fan these days. And that's without even considering what the psycho Skip Holtz is doing to screw up our football team.

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It's like watching the slow death of an old friend.

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From a football standpoint the Sun Belt is improving. I mean alot of you sound like me two years ago. This isn't your big brother's Sun Belt. USA just opened a new Stadium. Georgia Southern is building a new indoor practice facility. Bringing in really respected coaches Louisiana-Monroe with Rich Rodriguez and South Alabama with Major Applewhite. Based on what I've heard their TV deal pays out almost a million per team. Oh yeah they're ACTUALLY on TV. I mean you actually see App State, Louisiana, Coastal Carolina etc... On ESPN. Recruits can relate college football to ESPN. In the mind of an 18 yr old kid. He'd rather play on ESPN than Facebook, Stadium, Bein.

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I would think USM and Tech would both go if either went. Better for the conference.

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Dude -

Administration at both USL and NLU, along with those at A-State and So Ala want nothing more than Tech to be forced to accept an invite to the SBC for all sports

You know why?

$$$$$$$$$

No ONE and I mean NO ONE else will drive home gates in all sports at those schools like we do -

Not USM, not Marshall, not FIU, MTSU, not UTEP - NO ONE...

They will make bank and increase gate in football, baseball and basketball by 30 to 40% from us just walking into the place - EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE loves to HATE the HEEL

They will want us to sweat bullets - but in the end dollar bills always talk

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Plus we would elevate the conference in quality. Also, I have read that we are a "highly viewed" team TV-wise, but don't know if that is true. I do know when watching SWLa they are boring and really not very good.

We would be an asset to any conference.

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We would have some wins if Abraham was still here this season, but he would probably be hurt by now too.

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What happened with him. Was he the qb that transferred from Tech?

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I was thinking the same thing. I can't say I care what goes on with any other team, but he keeps coming back. :laugh:

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To DFMs point, they love to hate us - one of the many reasons we would be an asset, if we thought it was in our best interest, It would be fun to be the RAIDERS

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What happened with him. Was he the qb that transferred from Tech?

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Transferred to MSU.

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This is the kind of arrogance and comments that demonstrate why La Tech finds themselves in in the unenviable position they are in. You obviously have no idea what is going on in the world of College football during this period of realignment and/or what the national perception is of the SBC. You may want to consider glancing at the Top 25 polls during the last couple of years or catch a few nationally televised SBC games when you have some free time. And since you have obviously been living under a rock for a while now, App State has been a well known entity since their upset of the Michigan Wolverines in 2007. But I guess that news has not made its way to Ruston just yet!

But don't worry, the new CUSA will be fine once Sam Houston State, Stephen F. Austin, New Mexico State and possibly Liberty decide if they want to make a move down to that level and join La Tech and the ruminants of what once was CUSA 2.0.

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Don't lecture Tech about arrogance when your school breaks the law.

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Plus we would elevate the conference in quality. Also, I have read that we are a "highly viewed" team TV-wise, but don't know if that is true. I do know when watching SWLa they are boring and really not very good.

We would be an asset to any conference.

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the ULL trolls on our board and on Twitter are only proving Dwayne’s point.

they need us. I mean need need. You don’t spam another teams board for days on end unless you need them.

they can talk all the crap they want, but the more they do, the more you realize they have to have Tech to hate.

man ULM might actually have people in the stands again. What a concept.

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Wait, let me make sure I am understanding you correctly. So, instead of demonstrating that the "UL" fan base is above such insufferable pain and atrocity, you think it to be your duty and obligation to be the one to make sure we know that the "shoe's on the 'other' foot" -- got it. That's exactly the way I'd handle it. Grace and Dignity.

Now that you've gotten that off your chest, I sincerely hope you can sleep better tonight.

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How is the shoe on the other foot. How is SWLa doing in sports. Last yr really doesn't count. I think we won in most games recently or last played but I don't really remember.

My gripe with SWLa is they claim something they are not, illegally and unethically. It is their "shoe" I guess. We certainly don't want to share their lack of ethics.

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Lol You guys would really rather stay in CUSA and play home and homes with New Mexico State and FIU over Home and Home games with Southern Miss and Arkansas State?

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No, I want us to be with USM in a conference. We have that now

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I've watched that idiot form ULL post a lot of incorrect information while stupid Tech fans just eat it up because they don't know any better. But your stupid comment about the Sunbelt's ESPN TV package is absurd. The SBC's "TV Package" with ESPN is only worth 200K per school, per year, and that's a fact. Furthermore, it will likely go down per school when USM joins, because ESPN has not agreed to compensate the Sunbelt for the addition of USM. BTW, CUSA's TV contract --which is not with ESPN-- is said to be between 100K and 200K per school, so very much in the neighborhood of the Sunbelt's, but without having to play games on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, and Friday's.

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Correct. And many in the Belt really believe their schools get a check from ESPN for $1.4 million per year. The actual amount is almost nothing.

By not pointing this out publicly, CUSA has created the perception that our TV deal is substandard to the Belt's deal.

Sportswriters then repeat it, and the perception becomes reality.

The conference doesn't have leadership at any level.

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Correct. And many in the Belt really believe their schools get a check from ESPN for $1.4 million per year. The actual amount is almost nothing.

By not pointing this out publicly, CUSA has created the perception that our TV deal is substandard to the Belt's deal.

Sportswriters then repeat it, and the perception becomes reality.

The conference doesn't have leadership at any level.

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A conference with no leadership…..sounds like a match made in heaven for us.

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I've watched that idiot form ULL post a lot of incorrect information while stupid Tech fans just eat it up because they don't know any better. But your stupid comment about the Sunbelt's ESPN TV package is absurd. The SBC's "TV Package" with ESPN is only worth 200K per school, per year, and that's a fact. Furthermore, it will likely go down per school when USM joins, because ESPN has not agreed to compensate the Sunbelt for the addition of USM. BTW, CUSA's TV contract --which is not with ESPN-- is said to be between 100K and 200K per school, so very much in the neighborhood of the Sunbelt's, but without having to play games on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, and Friday's.

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I almost a million per team. I think its $750,000 per team to be exact. Their old contract paid $500,000 per team. In the media release after their new deal it said they gained a 50% increase payout.

Here is the latest from USA Today on athletic revenues and expenses that may be relevant to this conversation.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

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Here is the latest from USA Today on athletic revenues and expenses that may be relevant to this conversation.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

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So with a quick spread sheet & custom sort we can see the following:

1. La Tech is dead last in CUSA with revenue @ $23,317,495.00. That is more than2M behind the next to last which is Southern Miss.

2. La Tech is #129 in Total Revenue of 230 Colleges listed in this report.

The 5 Schools above us are:

124 Towson CAA $24,473,314 125 Massachusetts-Lowell AM East $24,350,572 126 Northern Arizona Big Sky $24,164,258 127 California-Irvine Big West $23,962,828 128 Montana Big Sky $23,570,369

The 5 Schools right below us are:

130	Binghamton	AM East	$23,257,079
131	Montana State	Big Sky	$22,969,450
132	Maine	AM East	$22,385,541
133	South Dakota State	Summit	$22,263,886
134	Vermont	AM East	$22,043,728

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Apparently - we are already playing way above our league.

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So with a quick spread sheet & custom sort we can see the following:

1. La Tech is dead last in CUSA with revenue @ $23,317,495.00. That is more than2M behind the next to last which is Southern Miss.

2. La Tech is #129 in Total Revenue of 230 Colleges listed in this report.

The 5 Schools above us are:

124 Towson CAA $24,473,314 125 Massachusetts-Lowell AM East $24,350,572 126 Northern Arizona Big Sky $24,164,258 127 California-Irvine Big West $23,962,828 128 Montana Big Sky $23,570,369

The 5 Schools right below us are:

130	Binghamton	AM East	$23,257,079
131	Montana State	Big Sky	$22,969,450
132	Maine	AM East	$22,385,541
133	South Dakota State	Summit	$22,263,886
134	Vermont	AM East	$22,043,728

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Apparently - we are already playing way above our league.

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More with less right?

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More with less right?

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Tech didn't make any money in FBS. The G5 has been relegated to the poor folks of FBS. Would FCS be a viable option for Tech? What would Tech lose in joining the Southland, other than pride?

I thought of this: (irony)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe8_6XyVUG0

Well, if we’re going to be independent and keep loser Holtz, why not just schedule 10 money games every year and build up our budget? Every P5 in the nation would want to schedule us, and that’s a guaranteed dub for them.

10 away money games every year so we can build up basketball and baseball. I like it.

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Well, if we’re going to be independent and keep loser Holtz, why not just schedule 10 money games every year and build up our budget? Every P5 in the nation would want to schedule us, and that’s a guaranteed dub for them.

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He would probably still manage a couple of wins and we would be quite a bit richer. Spend it on MBB and BSB.

1.5 to 2 million per game.

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He would probably still manage a couple of wins and we would be quite a bit richer. Spend it on MBB and BSB.

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Maybe, if Kansas, Vanderbilt, and Wake Forest can be talked into giving us $2million to beat them. Otherwise, we will be 0 for whatever.

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Maybe, if Kansas, Vanderbilt, and Wake Forest can be talked into giving us $2million to beat them. Otherwise, we will be 0 for whatever.

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If we’re Indy, we are unlikely to get a bowl invite anyway, so it really doesn’t matter what our record is.

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If we’re Indy, we are unlikely to get a bowl invite anyway, so it really doesn’t matter what our record is.

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This is true

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If we’re Indy, we are unlikely to get a bowl invite anyway, so it really doesn’t matter what our record is.

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Bowls don’t mean anything. I think the worst part would be scheduling and nothing to play for (championships)… but we don’t win those anyway. Sheesh… there is nothing to lose.

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Bowls don’t mean anything. I think the worst part would be scheduling and nothing to play for (championships)… but we don’t win those anyway. Sheesh… there is nothing to lose.

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So, we just need to be a non football member of some conference and not worry with football anymore. The suits have set the standard of concern for Athletics. Why waste any energy expecting something they care not to deliver?

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So with a quick spread sheet & custom sort we can see the following:

1. La Tech is dead last in CUSA with revenue @ $23,317,495.00. That is more than2M behind the next to last which is Southern Miss.

2. La Tech is #129 in Total Revenue of 230 Colleges listed in this report.

The 5 Schools above us are:

124 Towson CAA $24,473,314 125 Massachusetts-Lowell AM East $24,350,572 126 Northern Arizona Big Sky $24,164,258 127 California-Irvine Big West $23,962,828 128 Montana Big Sky $23,570,369

The 5 Schools right below us are:

130	Binghamton	AM East	$23,257,079
131	Montana State	Big Sky	$22,969,450
132	Maine	AM East	$22,385,541
133	South Dakota State	Summit	$22,263,886
134	Vermont	AM East	$22,043,728

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Come on, they buried the lead on that misleading number comparing ourselves to Southern Miss.

Check it again, Southern Miss receives $8.3 Million in Student Fees.

Compare that to Louisiana Tech's $0 in Student Fees.

UTSA is $13.9 Million.

North Texas is $13.5 Million.

And FIU tops out at whopping $25.5 Million in Student Athletic Fees.

Yes the schools leaving with "bigger budgets" are playing a shell game with their students and Student Loans. They are propping up their athletic budgets at the cost of bigger student loans passed on to their students. Even worse that they are passing along all these "student athletic fees" to anyone who takes an online class with them.

Take away a lot of these "Student Athletic Fees" in the millions and those bigger C-USA budgets are on par with Tech's Budget.

Now. I am not saying Tech should not have a Student Athletic Fee, but I also think we should compare apples and apples vs apples and oranges.

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Come on, they buried the lead on that misleading number comparing ourselves to Southern Miss.

Check it again, Southern Miss receives $8.3 Million in Student Fees.

Compare that to Louisiana Tech's $0 in Student Fees.

UTSA is $13.9 Million.

North Texas is $13.5 Million.

And FIU tops out at whopping $25.5 Million in Student Athletic Fees.

Yes the schools leaving with "bigger budgets" are playing a shell game with their students and Student Loans. They are propping up their athletic budgets at the cost of bigger student loans passed on to their students. Even worse that they are passing along all these "student athletic fees" to anyone who takes an online class with them.

Take away a lot of these "Student Athletic Fees" in the millions and those bigger C-USA budgets are on par with Tech's Budget.

Now. I am not saying Tech should not have a Student Athletic Fee, but I also think we should compare apples and apples vs apples and oranges.

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I recognize the impact student fees have.

But at the same time, I'm very uncomfortable subsidizing athletics at the expense of higher academic costs (reflected in constantly ballooning debt and subsidy-driven inflation).

Yes, everyone else is doing it, yes that's part of the reason we've been left behind. But at what cost?

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10 away money games every year so we can build up basketball and baseball. I like it.

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Sounds like 1988 - 1992 when we only played 3 or 4 home games a year. And no, the games in Shreveport weren't home games.

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Sounds like 1988 - 1992 when we only played 3 or 4 home games a year. And no, the games in Shreveport weren't home games.

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But did we get the lions share? ;)

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Originally Posted by revf

Come on, they buried the lead on that misleading number comparing ourselves to Southern Miss.

Check it again, Southern Miss receives $8.3 Million in Student Fees.

Compare that to Louisiana Tech's $0 in Student Fees.

UTSA is $13.9 Million.

North Texas is $13.5 Million.

And FIU tops out at whopping $25.5 Million in Student Athletic Fees.

Yes the schools leaving with "bigger budgets" are playing a shell game with their students and Student Loans. They are propping up their athletic budgets at the cost of bigger student loans passed on to their students. Even worse that they are passing along all these "student athletic fees" to anyone who takes an online class with them.

Take away a lot of these "Student Athletic Fees" in the millions and those bigger C-USA budgets are on par with Tech's Budget.

Now. I am not saying Tech should not have a Student Athletic Fee, but I also think we should compare apples and apples vs apples and oranges.

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That list just states what Athletic Budget is - Total Revenue. Where it comes from and how it is funded is up to the school. I don't think it's apples and oranges. I just think it's the facts.

To me, it does seem different when your students are funding it instead of alumni or donors in general.

Yall just need to come over to the Belt with us guys

[QUOTE=revf;1815231]Come on, they buried the lead on that misleading number comparing ourselves to Southern Miss.

Check it again, Southern Miss receives $8.3 Million in Student Fees.

Compare that to Louisiana Tech's $0 in Student Fees.

UTSA is $13.9 Million.

North Texas is $13.5 Million.

And FIU tops out at whopping $25.5 Million in Student Athletic Fees.

Yes the schools leaving with "bigger budgets" are playing a shell game with their students and Student Loans. They are propping up their athletic budgets at the cost of bigger student loans passed on to their students. Even worse that they are passing along all these "student athletic fees" to anyone who takes an online class.
Take away a lot of these "Student Athletic Fees" in the millions and those bigger C-USA budgets are on par with Tech's Budget.

Now. I am not saying Tech should not have a Student Athletic Fee, but I also think we should compare apples and apples vs apples and oranges.[/QUOTE

Instead of charging a student athletic fee we just transfer about $10 million out of the university general fund into athletic dept annually. That accounts for a huge percentage of our "revenue".

It’s on the list. It’s called “institutional support”

USM has 8 million in institutional support plus their student athletic fees.

So does USL. They have a full transfer AND have Student Athletic Fees.

USL fully funds their athletic stipend with student fees. Around $500k every year.

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I almost a million per team. I think its $750,000 per team to be exact. Their old contract paid $500,000 per team. In the media release after their new deal it said they gained a 50% increase payout.

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And this proves my point. A Southern Miss fan who believes what the Belt is spewing. The reality is the Belt TV deal pays in cash about what CUSA's deal pays in cash.

What HD posted in this thread is correct. The information put together by the Marshall fan about the value of each league, and their true revenue numbers gives a real picture of CUSA.

The problem is that the leadership within our schools and the conference office has done a poor job of pointing that out. They've really never even tried.

I do not want to get into all the back and forth of what's better, Sun Belt or new CUSA. What happens will happen. What I will get into is saying how much respect I have for LaTech athletics and what great fans your school has. It will be a sad day if we no longer are conference mates. I sincerely hope if that happens, it will be short lived and we will be back together in a conference. Thanks for letting me come to this board and post over the recent years. I will always pull for your Dogs when not playing my Eagles.

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I do not want to get into all the back and forth of what's better, Sun Belt or new CUSA. What happens will happen. What I will get into is saying how much respect I have for LaTech athletics and what great fans your school has. It will be a sad day if we no longer are conference mates. I sincerely hope if that happens, it will be short lived and we will be back together in a conference. Thanks for letting me come to this board and post over the recent years. I will always pull for your Dogs when not playing my Eagles.

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We have always felt the same way about Southern Miss... Thank you for being a great poster on this board. I hope, if we are not conference mates, we can continue our rivalry game each year... Both schools get a lot out of having a good rival that we respect.