Serious Conference Realignment Discussion

I can't figure out which thread has actual conference re-alignment discussion given the amount of ULL back-and-forth trash talk. I wanted to start a fresh thread to have some open discussion on Tech's options moving forward. I don't want to blow the re-alignment out of proportion, but it feels like the next couple of months are extremely important to the long-term health of our athletics program. The below breakdown assumes that Marshall, Old Dominion, and James Madison join the Sun Belt conference.

As it currently stands, C-USA is likely down to 5 teams:
- Louisiana Tech
- Florida International
- Middle Tennessee
- Western Kentucky
- UTEP

The other non-Power 5 conferences have the following numbers (given the assumptions listed above):
- AAC: 14 teams
- MAC: 14 teams
- Sun-Belt: 12 teams
- Mountain West (MWC): 12 teams

I can only assume that Tech would have already received an invitation to join the Sun-Belt and AAC if an invitation was going to be extended. Additionally, the MAC and MWC do not make geographic sense, and the MWC also appears to be content with 12 teams.

Given those assumptions, we have the following options:
- Stay in a depleted C-USA, with the best possible additions being UConn, NMSU, UMass, and an outside shot at Liberty, to get to 8+ teams.
- Go independent in football and remain in C-USA for all other sports

Am I missing something in the above discussion? Regardless, what is the general consensus on the best option moving forward?

So removing EGOs out of the equation conference realignment is less about geography and more about fairy tales.

The G5 (probably should be G4) schools are by and large interchangeable. From the AAC to the C-USA. None of these schools are going to matter much to the new cartel P5.

So removing egos, what G4s should do is create real change by forming regional conferences that negotiate tv deals as an alliance not as a conference.

MWC should add UTEP and NMSU to go to 14.

AAC should add 2 to go to 16.

MAC should add Marshall and WKU to go to 16.

Sunbelt should add 2 to go to 14.

C-USA is done and the G4s are set.

Then the G4s (ALL the G4s) should enact a scheduling agreement similar to what the pac12 and the big10 did. The time for pettiness is behind you. If you are in a G4 conference you are all in the same boat.

I think ESPN is the biggest player (winner?) in all of this.

AAC (ESPN) picks 6 schools from C-USA (CBS/Stadium) after trying to poach from MWC (CBS/FOX)
SBC (ESPN) picks 1-3 schools from C-USA

We're pretty much screwed. How much does the SBC hate us (or how much have we pissed them off over the years) to take a FCS school over us:

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/college-football/conference-realignment-sun-belt-reportedly-adding-4-new-members/

So, who's left with out a conference? Tech, WKU, FIU, UTEP, and MTSU, plus the independents, Liberty, Army, UMass, UConn and NMSU. What a misfit collection of misfits.

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Originally Posted by kfj

Tech, WKU, FIU, UTEP, and MTSU, plus the independents, Liberty, Army, UMass, UConn and NMSU. What a misfit collection of misfits.

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Invite all the other misfits to join.

It wont be pretty, but it'll do in a pinch.

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Originally Posted by TruDawg

I can't figure out which thread has actual conference re-alignment discussion given the amount of ULL back-and-forth trash talk. I wanted to start a fresh thread to have some open discussion on Tech's options moving forward. I don't want to blow the re-alignment out of proportion, but it feels like the next couple of months are extremely important to the long-term health of our athletics program. The below breakdown assumes that Marshall, Old Dominion, and James Madison join the Sun Belt conference.

As it currently stands, C-USA is likely down to 5 teams:
- Louisiana Tech
- Florida International
- Middle Tennessee
- Western Kentucky
- UTEP

The other non-Power 5 conferences have the following numbers (given the assumptions listed above):
- AAC: 14 teams
- MAC: 14 teams
- Sun-Belt: 12 teams
- Mountain West (MWC): 12 teams

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The MAC only has 12 members and the Sun Belt will be up to 14 members with the addition of USM, JMU, ODU and Marshall.

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Originally Posted by Champ967

Invite all the other misfits to join.

It wont be pretty, but it'll do in a pinch.

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We would need 8 full members to comply with NCAA's rules to survive as a conference. UMass, Army, and UConn will not be sending their Olympic sports to this conference. It's rumored on the CUSA board that Liberty has already said no to CUSA. NMSU will sign anything to join up with UTEP. CUSA will have to call up FCS schools in order to reach 8.

With the addition of NMSU, we'd be starting at 6 with a vast geographic footprint. Focusing on the area around WKU, MTSU, and Tech will be important. NMSU/UTEP and FIU will probably have to be stuck on islands. Just some options in no particular order are:

SHSU
SFA
Tarleton St.
UT-A (non-football)
UA-Little Rock (Non-football)
Missouri St.
EKU
Chattanooga
Jacksonville St.

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Originally Posted by Dawgonit

Just some options in no particular order are:

SHSU
SFA
Tarleton St.
UT-A (non-football)
UA-Little Rock (Non-football)
Missouri St.
EKU
Chattanooga
Jacksonville St.

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Hold on -- If UALR & UTA really are in play, then why not add the northeastern FBS indies for football only?

TECH
WKU
FIU
MTSU
UTEP
NMSU
Liberty (??)
UTA (non-fball)
UALR (non-fball)
Army (fball only)
UConn (fball only)
UMass (fball only)

That's 9 bball, 10 football. Even without Liberty, it's still enough. (barely)

It would be held together with duct tape and chewing gum. But it's something.

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Originally Posted by Champ967

It would be held together with duct tape and chewing gum. But it's something.

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And lets be completely honest, we need those exit fee payouts.

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Originally Posted by JuBru

And lets be completely honest, we need those exit fee payouts.

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This^^

Relationships with old members don’t matter. We have to get these fees. I have a feeling we get NMSU because they just want to belong. Just like us now. I agree we have to go for other teams between Ruston and Bowling Green.

Or…we try to save CUSA, but the MAC (ESPN) swoops in and steals WKU and MTSU. We’re left with no conference and no buy-out.

If we CAN get into the Belt, we have to.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Or…we try to save CUSA, but the MAC (ESPN) swoops in and steals WKU and MTSU. We’re left with no conference and no buy-out.

If we CAN get into the Belt, we have to.

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For what I was told, the SBC west pushed for 12 or 16. There was no desire for 14, but ESPN stepped in with financial and exposure incentives.

The SBC east was against 16 because it would still keep the balance of power in the SBC west. So 14 became the compromise after ESPN stepped up.

There will be no more adds or a push to get to 16. Unless the MWC comes for Texas St, the SBC appears to be stable and content with 14.

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Originally Posted by chew4219

For what I was told, the SBC west pushed for 12 or 16. There was no desire for 14, but ESPN stepped in with financial and exposure incentives.

The SBC east was against 16 because it would still keep the balance of power in the SBC west. So 14 became the compromise after ESPN stepped up.

There will be no more adds or a push to get to 16. Unless the MWC comes for Texas St, the SBC appears to be stable and content with 14.

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And if JMU can’t get legislative support for moving up?

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Originally Posted by chew4219

For what I was told, the SBC west pushed for 12 or 16. There was no desire for 14, but ESPN stepped in with financial and exposure incentives.

The SBC east was against 16 because it would still keep the balance of power in the SBC west. So 14 became the compromise after ESPN stepped up.

There will be no more adds or a push to get to 16. Unless the MWC comes for Texas St, the SBC appears to be stable and content with 14.

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I bet the SBC would take McNeese or SELU before they took us. The administration has burned every damn bridge.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

And if JMU can’t get legislative support for moving up?

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If JMU wants move up they will be under the lower limit for student fee transfers as a percentage of their total budget by 2026 I believe. I think the percentage is 55%. For the 2019-2020 fiscal year, 66.63% of ODU's revenue was from student fees. To comply with that rule but maintain its current revenue level, right at $5.7 million of student fee revenue will have to be replaced by 2026 with income from another source.

The situation is far worse for James Madison if it tries to move to FBS. For 2019-2020, 78.45% of its revenue is from student fees. It would have to replace over $13.6 million with income from another source to maintain its 2019-2020 revenue level.

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Originally Posted by kfj

We're pretty much screwed. How much does the SBC hate us (or how much have we pissed them off over the years) to take a FCS school over us:

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/college-football/conference-realignment-sun-belt-reportedly-adding-4-new-members/

So, who's left with out a conference? Tech, WKU, FIU, UTEP, and MTSU, plus the independents, Liberty, Army, UMass, UConn and NMSU. What a misfit collection of misfits.

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Enough with the "pissed them off" nonsense. How about they are AFRAID of LA Tech. It's true. ULALA is sitting on top of the world right now because they can wipe their butt every week with the faces of Sunbelt schools. That's such a shitty conference even Appy St was blown out by a sorry azz ULALA team.

The last thing ULL wants is to let LA Tech in the door and change everything by whipping ULL's azzz routinely. Oh sure, they tell you everybody in the SBC is "angry at Tech" for being mean to 'em.......whatever the hell that's supposed to mean, but they damn sure don't want you crashing their SBC party, because they've got it made right now. Make no mistake: They FEAR LA Tech.

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Originally Posted by kfj

I bet the SBC would take McNeese or SELU before they took us. The administration has burned every damn bridge.

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That's Bullshit. Grow up. Nobody's that petty, because it can come back around at a later date and burn them too! See my post above. ULALA fans just tell you that because they are scared as hell of LA Tech.

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Originally Posted by HogDawg

That's Bullshit. Grow up. Nobody's that petty, because it can come back around at a later date and burn them too! See my post above. ULALA fans just tell you that because they are scared as hell of LA Tech.

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They obviously aren’t scared of us. They invite their recruits to watch them beat us……oh…….

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Originally Posted by techman05

They obviously aren’t scared of us. They invite their recruits to watch them beat us……oh…….

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�� that was some funny stuff right there. Talk about arrogant

At the very least it’s not helpful to keep up the trash talking, and it just attracts the sort of posts from fans of other schools that many of our people have been complaining about.

I agree with those that say if we could get in the Sunbelt that would be the best we could do for the foreseeable future. It would also be good for the Sunbelt. The Sunbelt will be better than the AAC in most every way.

If we are not going to get that invitation we will just need to do the very best we can. Win some conference championships, for Pete’s sake. Make it back to the Big Dance. There is a lot of potential in some of the FCS schools being mentioned, like Sam Houston and Missouri State. We will just need to be the best we can be and demand better leadership from the conference office.

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Originally Posted by HogDawg

That's Bullshit. Grow up. Nobody's that petty, because it can come back around at a later date and burn them too! See my post above. ULALA fans just tell you that because they are scared as hell of LA Tech.

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…..Res Ipsa loquitor……LT has a loosing record and got beaten quite badly in the last bowl game by a mid Sunbelt school……the cusa has for 3 years been ranked the lowest in our football division level……the coach has a extended contract and the fan base wants him gone…..unfortunately, your former AD’s arrogance and pompous remarks still lend a negative characteristic image to your school…..not sure of the future of your program, but in the negative competitive recruiting wars I think it will be rough going for Tech!

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Originally Posted by HogDawg

Enough with the "pissed them off" nonsense. How about they are AFRAID of LA Tech. It's true. ULALA is sitting on top of the world right now because they can wipe their butt every week with the faces of Sunbelt schools. That's such a shitty conference even Appy St was blown out by a sorry azz ULALA team.

The last thing ULL wants is to let LA Tech in the door and change everything by whipping ULL's azzz routinely. Oh sure, they tell you everybody in the SBC is "angry at Tech" for being mean to 'em.......whatever the hell that's supposed to mean, but they damn sure don't want you crashing their SBC party, because they've got it made right now. Make no mistake: They FEAR LA Tech.

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THIS! As for where we should or could go, I still hope our push is for something better than the belt. Yes, they will be better with some additions, but they are NOT a long term goal. We will be pulled down into the ULL/ULM group and that will just make it harder to break out again. Honestly, I would rather go Indy in football and get ourselves another conference just for basketball. I know it doesn't seem financially viable to go Independent, but if we could get serious about our coaching in football and start winning again - it could be much better than the belt, even if we had to give up some money for a while. We seemed to do well our first year in FBS with money games, which gave us some opportunities.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Or…we try to save CUSA, but the MAC (ESPN) swoops in and steals WKU and MTSU. We’re left with no conference and no buy-out.

If we CAN get into the Belt, we have to.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

And if JMU can’t get legislative support for moving up?

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Why the infatuation with JMU when they could have WKU or Middle? Are those two as hated as us?

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Why the infatuation with JMU when they could have WKU or Middle? Are those two as hated as us?

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Not sure. I guess it’s possible that the Belt is still sore about them leaving for CUSA.

Who knows? WKU and Tech are the best overall programs on the outside looking in. MTSU has been there before, but they’ve fallen on hard times for some reason.

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Why the infatuation with JMU when they could have WKU or Middle? Are those two as hated as us?

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They have a massive budget. In my opinion, probably too big. From a money standpoint their huge $ advantage over many of the conference schools could actually end up
being a problem. And, yes, there is likely some hard feelings toward former Belt schools that left for what those schools saw as greener pastures. … Things have gone well for the Sunbelt with their FCS additions and their TV contract. They are in a good position.

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Originally Posted by Champ967

Hold on -- If UALR & UTA really are in play, then why not add the northeastern FBS indies for football only?

TECH
WKU
FIU
MTSU
UTEP
NMSU
Liberty (??)
UTA (non-fball)
UALR (non-fball)
Army (fball only)
UConn (fball only)
UMass (fball only)

That's 9 bball, 10 football. Even without Liberty, it's still enough. (barely)

It would be held together with duct tape and chewing gum. But it's something.

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You have to have 8 “full” members. So if NMSU makes six we would need two more of those. If the Aggies only want to join for football we need 3 more “fulls.”

I do like the idea of adding Little Rock and UTA for Olympic sports if it works out. That would give Tech two solid, drivable opponents for basketball and baseball.

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Originally Posted by exflash

…..Res Ipsa loquitor……LT has a loosing record and got beaten quite badly in the last bowl game by a mid Sunbelt school……the cusa has for 3 years been ranked the lowest in our football division level……the coach has a extended contract and the fan base wants him gone…..unfortunately, your former AD’s arrogance and pompous remarks still lend a negative characteristic image to your school…..not sure of the future of your program, but in the negative competitive recruiting wars I think it will be rough going for Tech!

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Do you realize that last year's NO Bowl loss to a Sunbelt team was LA Tech's VERY FIRST LOSS to a Sunbelt team? EVER? And it was in a COVID year when Tech had several starters sitting out and "opting" out of play. LOL!! You gotta do better than that arsehole. :laugh:

Oh....and enough about our former AD. He didn't say a damn thing that wasn't 100% true. Go back and listen to the clip and tell me what you have trouble with. You and I can re-engage the subject after you tell me what he said that hurt your feelings. ;)

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Originally Posted by PawDawg

Why the infatuation with JMU when they could have WKU or Middle? Are those two as hated as us?

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The "petty" Sunbelt is angry at those two because they chose to LEAVE the Belt for CUSA back in 2013. The pettiness of these Sunbelt people is truly astounding. You can't run any business like that.

Here's the bottom line: Once in the Sunbelt, ALWAYS be in the Sunbelt. It's the "Hotel California" of football conferences. ("You can check out any time you like, but you can NEVER leave".) ULALA and ULM are great examples of this. They've never been anywhere, and they are never going anywhere. For ULL, this is as good as it gets.

If the Sunbelt Conference is what you really want, then get on over there, and get lost in weak football and poor basketball. Otherwise, stay in CUSA, take the Exit fee MILLIONS, and win a few conference championships. Sure, it will be a little wonky. But, in the meantime, you can try to build something new, or just get paid to bide your time until something better comes along.

I really don’t think we have any options available to us except whether to stay in CUSA and help rebuild it or go Independent. And to me, that’s no choice at all. We don’t have the money to be Independent, and scheduling would be an absolute nightmare.

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Originally Posted by HogDawg

The "petty" Sunbelt is angry at those two because they chose to LEAVE the Belt for CUSA back in 2013. The pettiness of these Sunbelt people is truly astounding. You can't run any business like that.

Here's the bottom line: Once in the Sunbelt, ALWAYS be in the Sunbelt. It's the "Hotel California" of football conferences. ("You can check out any time you like, but you can NEVER leave".) ULALA and ULM are great examples of this. They've never been anywhere, and they are never going anywhere. For ULL, this is as good as it gets.

If the Sunbelt Conference is what you really want, then get on over there, and get lost in weak football and poor basketball. Otherwise, stay in CUSA, take the Exit fee MILLIONS, and win a few conference championships. Sure, it will be a little wonky. But, in the meantime, you can try to build something new, or just get paid to bide your time until something better comes along.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtGxusvUT3k

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Originally Posted by CajunDave1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtGxusvUT3k

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Once in the Sunbelt, ALWAYS be in the Sunbelt.

https://c.tenor.com/i80b1gPqo7wAAAAC...sandra-lee.gif

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Originally Posted by CajunDave1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtGxusvUT3k

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Thanks for your great interest and continued support, as evidenced by your constant presence on our board.

The Western most SBC schools (ULM, ULL, A-State) wanted Louisiana Tech, but the Eastern schools wanted JMU. Troy wants to be in West with S Alabama, so no they have a decent split. It has nothing to do with burned bridges.

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Originally Posted by exflash

…..Res Ipsa loquitor……LT has a loosing record and got beaten quite badly in the last bowl game by a mid Sunbelt school……the cusa has for 3 years been ranked the lowest in our football division level……the coach has a extended contract and the fan base wants him gone…..unfortunately, your former AD’s arrogance and pompous remarks still lend a negative characteristic image to your school…..not sure of the future of your program, but in the negative competitive recruiting wars I think it will be rough going for Tech!

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From someone who can neither spell nor punctuate.

We need to be careful with the arrogance concerning the sunbelt. Our athletic department is withering on the vine. You know how I know? Cause big fans like me that post on message boards are losing interest and a watered down CUSA will be the death knell.

And for those who have aspirations of grandeur. The AAC’s latest expansion choice should prove that we will NEVER bring the TV market that they value above all else.

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Originally Posted by THEarmada

And for those who have aspirations of grandeur. The AAC’s latest expansion choice should prove that we will NEVER bring the TV market that they value above all else.

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Beyond that, the teams that would have to leave the AAC to open up a spot for us are the only ones worth being affiliated with anyway.

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Originally Posted by exflash

…..Res Ipsa loquitor……LT has a loosing record and got beaten quite badly in the last bowl game by a mid Sunbelt school……the cusa has for 3 years been ranked the lowest in our football division level……the coach has a extended contract and the fan base wants him gone…..unfortunately, your former AD’s arrogance and pompous remarks still lend a negative characteristic image to your school…..not sure of the future of your program, but in the negative competitive recruiting wars I think it will be rough going for Tech!

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…..I didn’t realize this but the R&D differences between UL and Tech are significant 2019 it was $165 mil to $25 mil…..in 2020 The UL amount grew significantly due to their role in the COVID Vax discovery…..I am old enough to have seen the rises and falls in both schools like the horrible leadership at UL under Dr A and the great strides st Tech under Dr T…..things are always changing with these2!

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Originally Posted by THEarmada

We need to be careful with the arrogance concerning the sunbelt.

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Sorry -- not buying the "arrogance" line.

Tech fans wanting the best for our university and taking pride in our (occasional) successes isn't arrongance. Just because UL-X fans are into self-loathing and flagship worship, doesnt mean Tech fans who dont feel the same are "arrogant". And even if it were, I'm still not buying that fans on a message board are a factor in the conference-level votes being cast by university presidents.

I'd urge Tech fans to stop giving fuel to the "Tech = arrogant" narrative.

It's pretty obvious the Sun Belt is NOT welcoming back teams that once left it--us, WKU, and MTSU. WKU is a shoe-in for the MAC, maybe MTSU, too.

We, on the other hand, are screwed and screwed HARD.

A football-only eight-team conference (us, WKU, MTSU, UTEP, FIU + NMSU, UMass, and UConn) could work. If scheduled correctly, every team (except us & FIU) would only have to make three regional flights per season. We (and FIU) would have to make a fourth regional flight every other year. But from what I've read, UConn has zero interest in joining.

So I have a prediction for Tech in the future of FBS football--independence.

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But from what I've read, UConn has zero interest in joining.

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For basketball, I understand. But for football, why the heck not?

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Originally Posted by HogDawg

Once in the Sunbelt, ALWAYS be in the Sunbelt.

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No need to go anywhere at this time HogDawg, we are all good! But also don't forget, "Once in CUSA, ALWAYS in CUSA"!!! That is, unless CUSA ceases to exist!!!!

I just heard that the conference will survive, but is rebranding itself as conference “who” SA.

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Originally Posted by CajunDave1

No need to go anywhere at this time HogDawg, we are all good! But also don't forget, "Once in CUSA, ALWAYS in CUSA"!!! That is, unless CUSA ceases to exist!!!!

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Hum….wrong again pepper-head as Houston, SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa we’re in CUSA.

I hear the talk about NMSU and SHSU and others. What about Kennesaw State? 41k enrollment. Closer than El Paso. Looks like they are ready to move up and would accept. Pros? Cons?

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

Hum….wrong again pepper-head as Houston, SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa we’re in CUSA.

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The key words there are, "WERE in CUSA", or as you put it, "we're in CUSA"!!! But unless I'm missing something, I don't see El-Aye-Tech on your list? Or maybe when you said "we're in CUSA" you meant that Tech was still in CUSA!

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

Hum….wrong again pepper-head as Houston, SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa we’re in CUSA.

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Good to see you TT.

Cajun Dave took a selfie outside the Wal Mart in New Iberia

https://i.ibb.co/WBZtv8N/79-D51-A9-F...4-A61-EAA4.jpg

If he ain’t wearing white rubber boots, it ain’t him.

Champ967, I thought the same thing then this. As I told the guy, I guess being #1 in ESPN's Bottom 10 poll has its advantages.

https://twitter.com/MattTheManager/s...98027941306369

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Originally Posted by Bill Brasky

Cajun Dave took a selfie outside the Wal Mart in New Iberia

https://i.ibb.co/WBZtv8N/79-D51-A9-F...4-A61-EAA4.jpg

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LOL!!!! That's pretty good!

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Originally Posted by CajunDave1

No need to go anywhere at this time HogDawg, we are all good! But also don't forget, "Once in CUSA, ALWAYS in CUSA"!!! That is, unless CUSA ceases to exist!!!!

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And that's because the schools in CUSA were WORTH poaching. The same can't be said for the Sunbelt. ULALA will be in the Sunbelt forever.

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Originally Posted by Champ967

For basketball, I understand. But for football, why the heck not?

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According to this guy, CBS pays UConn $100K per game, while CUSA only pays $500K for all sports. If true, it explains a lot.

Also, CUSA is a dying, stinking brand. It's hard to imagine a university wanting to be in the news cycle, attaching itself to it. This reminds me of the WAC's last days.

https://twitter.com/MattTheManager/s...98027941306369

Intetesting read:

https://www.news-leader.com/story/sp...vc/8545166002/

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Originally Posted by CajunDave1

LOL!!!! That's pretty good!

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Dam, that is you pepper-head!

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Originally Posted by HogDawg

And that's because the schools in CUSA were WORTH poaching. The same can't be said for the Sunbelt. ULALA will be in the Sunbelt forever.

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And ever, and ever and ever!!

You nailed it THEarmada...was student in early 70's, had kids go to Tech, been a huge fan and supporter ever since...and I've never felt any worse about Tech athletics than right now...there's just no strong future picture, and I'm tired..like many..

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Originally Posted by HogDawg

And that's because the schools in CUSA were WORTH poaching. The same can't be said for the Sunbelt. ULALA will be in the Sunbelt forever.

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Heck, the swamp slugs ULL got left behind in the “minors”/kids table when we/TECH went to both the WAC and CUSA.

What the hell is going on with the University of Louisiana System? If anybody swings a big stick there it should be Tech. Seems like Guice is getting cuckolded.

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Originally Posted by Bill Brasky

What the hell is going on with the University of Louisiana System? If anybody swings a big stick there it should be Tech. Seems like Guice is getting cuckolded.

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In a similar vein I wonder if we have the cahones to insist that schools that have announced their departure from the conference will not host conference tournaments?

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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS

Heck, the swamp slugs ULL got left behind in the “minors”/kids table when we/TECH went to both the WAC and CUSA.

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Yes. UL might have been left behind in some of the previous conference realignments, but we understood it was a marathon and not a sprint. Our University kept working and building our brand and the Sun Belt Conference. Then, low and behold, look what happened. UL and the SBC eventually caught Tech and CUSA in the home stretch and won the race!!!

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Good to see you TT.

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Thanks!

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Originally Posted by CajunDave1

Yes. UL might have been left behind in some of the previous conference realignments, but we understood it was a marathon and not a sprint. Our University kept working and building our brand and the Sun Belt Conference. Then, low and behold, look what happened. UL and the SBC eventually caught Tech and CUSA in the home stretch and won the race!!!

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Hey you simple dude from the 3 toed and 2 tooth Cajun gene pool; you haven’t won anything yet as the race isn’t over. And your brand is totally that of lying and cheating POS. You are our bitch but you’re having a great year in football for USL! Serious congrats! Great year!

And……..TT IS BACK!

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Hey you simple dude from the 3 toed and 2 tooth Cajun gene pool; you haven’t won anything yet as the race isn’t over. And your brand is totally that of lying and cheating POS. You are our bitch but you’re having a great year in football for USL! Serious congrats! Great year!

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Geeezz, why are you so mad? If you will just take your head out of your azzz, and read the opinion of all
Of the national media and others in the know, you will see that Louisiana and the Sun Belt Conference have indeed beat CUSA and el-aye-tech in this latest round of realignment! But don’t worry, I fully expect La Tech to now have a chance to win some games, and maybe even dominate the new CUSA 5.0 while Missouri State, McNeese, Sam Houston and Tarlington State (or something like that ?) get adjusted to the new CUSA!

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Geeezz, why are you so mad? If you will just take your head out of your azzz, and read the opinion of all
Of the national media and others in the know, you will see that Louisiana and the Sun Belt Conference have indeed beat CUSA and el-aye-tech in this latest round of realignment! But don’t worry, I fully expect La Tech to now have a chance to win some games, and maybe even dominate the new CUSA 5.0 while Missouri State, McNeese, Sam Houston and Tarlington State (or something like that ?) get adjusted to the new CUSA!

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Biggest losers on the planet? Opposing fans that troll another schools fan board. Bro, you’re pathetic.

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Geeezz, why are you so mad? If you will just take your head out of your azzz, and read the opinion of all
Of the national media and others in the know, you will see that Louisiana and the Sun Belt Conference have indeed beat CUSA and el-aye-tech in this latest round of realignment! But don’t worry, I fully expect La Tech to now have a chance to win some games, and maybe even dominate the new CUSA 5.0 while Missouri State, McNeese, Sam Houston and Tarlington State (or something like that ?) get adjusted to the new CUSA!

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Posts the little USL troll, on our board, whose own fan board bans those with opinions different vs. their drunken and lying self imposed insanity.

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Once in the Sunbelt, ALWAYS be in the Sunbelt. It's the "Hotel California" of football conferences. ("You can check out any time you like, but you can NEVER leave".) ULALA and ULM are great examples of this.

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Best analogy and straight forward truth I have seen on this board!!!!! SOOOOOO TRUE! Many saw a good year for the belt last year and think it is a new shiny object. It is not... It is the same belt that we desperately wanted to move up from... It will be 10 times harder to go anywhere from there if we were in it...

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Best analogy and straight forward truth I have seen on this board!!!!! SOOOOOO TRUE! Many saw a good year for the belt last year and think it is a new shiny object. It is not... It is the same belt that we desperately wanted to move up from... It will be 10 times harder to go anywhere from there if we were in it...

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No it's not...unless you think floundering in nothingness for an unknown period of time is worth believing and repeating the lies our administration is telling us.

Here's your sign...we ain't goin' anywhere else because we never have. We joined a WAC that was raided and were left alone. We joined a CUSA that was depleted, then raided again and we are left even more alone.

Here’s the sad truth, it doesn’t matter where we go when talking about football. All G5 programs are on the same ship that’s taking on water fast. There was only so many lifeboats, and the big schools took them. You might feel better because you’re in first class accommodations, but that won’t matter when the ship goes under. The gap between the haves and have nots is widening every year, and that chasm has now become so wide that we won’t ever get across it. Before it’s over with, the P5 will consist of only 4 conferences: SEC, ACC, B10 and PAC-12. We or nobody in this state besides LSU will ever be in one of them, because LSU would never allow it.

Man in the mirror

Often when we, and I mean anyone, starts looking for reasons things aren't working out...there is, in large part, your answer.

How many MORE times will Tech get left behind in these conference shakeups before someone looks in the mirror? Yep, eventually, I think the AAC will lose some members and maybe then, Yo, little Tech, we have a vacancy...then too many in Tech Nation will thump their chests and think we got in based on merit. Tech lacks leadership and vision. And, true, we have geographic issues that are beyond our control. But that just means, to be ultimately successful, we have to check other boxes, such that a conference is willing to overlook the market size because we are just too good to pass up.

Anyway, it is NO surprise AAC passed on us, and many folks understand that. Now the Belch has passed on us too...although, I must admit, I honestly don't care about that. Someone turned on the light and I looked down those stairs into the Belch basement, and I'd rather stay here in the kitchen, thankyaverymuch.

All that said, we have issues in Ruston and until/unless we address those we'll continue to see this "abandoned on a desert island" scenario play out again and again.

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Man in the mirror

Often when we, and I mean anyone, starts looking for reasons things aren't working out...there is, in large part, your answer.

How many MORE times will Tech get left behind in these conference shakeups before someone looks in the mirror? Yep, eventually, I think the AAC will lose some members and maybe then, Yo, little Tech, we have a vacancy...then too many in Tech Nation will thump their chests and think we got in based on merit. Tech lacks leadership and vision. And, true, we have geographic issues that are beyond our control. But that just means, to be ultimately successful, we have to check other boxes, such that a conference is willing to overlook the market size because we are just too good to pass up.

Anyway, it is NO surprise AAC passed on us, and many folks understand that. Now the Belch has passed on us too...although, I must admit, I honestly don't care about that. Someone turned on the light and I looked down those stairs into the Belch basement, and I'd rather stay here in the kitchen, thankyaverymuch.

All that said, we have issues in Ruston and until/unless we address those we'll continue to see this "abandoned on a desert island" scenario play out again and again.

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Sums it up pretty well.

Won’t feel much like separation and we won’t be looking down into anyone’s basement when we’re playing Sam Houston State!

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Here’s the sad truth, it doesn’t matter where we go when talking about football. All G5 programs are on the same ship that’s taking on water fast. There was only so many lifeboats, and the big schools took them. You might feel better because you’re in first class accommodations, but that won’t matter when the ship goes under. The gap between the haves and have nots is widening every year, and that chasm has now become so wide that we won’t ever get across it. Before it’s over with, the P5 will consist of only 4 conferences: SEC, ACC, B10 and PAC-12. We or nobody in this state besides LSU will ever be in one of them, because LSU would never allow it.

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Power 4? Where is the Big 12 going?

Man, this whole things sucks pretty bad. Obviously the actual conference falling apart is the literal worst thing about this realignment. But I have to say, ULL trolls coming around again (after a nice break) may be the 2nd worst part of it all. I haven't missed that at all.

And we're probably stuck with it for a long time. I mean, heck, one of our best cases at this point would be getting into the 'belt where we'd have them around regularly. *sigh*

As to CUSA, my vote (for what it's worth) would be to do just about the bare minimum to remain in existence for now (we need those sweet sweet buy-outs and maybe even buy-ins if we can get them). If 8 is the minimum, get to 8, ideally with some travel partner situations (NMSU seems to be the only real no-brainer here, if only because they're the ones most likely to say yes right away). FCS start up like SHSU or Missouri State is fine. Maybe EKU. I'm not sure it's a good fit for them or us to try to get the NE schools in. I think UConn and UMass are content to just play each other and barn-storm the rest of the year. If Liberty isn't interested I am ok with that (but any port in a storm, if they want in that's cool too).

I bet they shoot for 10 (and given the fact that any school would leave in a second I understand that) but I'd cap things at 9. It's perfect number for football. But I'd probably rather have 8 than 10 given who we could expect to get.

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Won’t feel much like separation and we won’t be looking down into anyone’s basement when we’re playing Sam Houston State!

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That's sad, but true. In football, the Belt has been better for the last 2-3 years, other sports not so much.

None of this might matter as much once the autonomy conferences break away. I use to think this would happen within my lifetime, but farther down the road. Now I think it is going to happen sooner rather than later.

Once that happens the only money, we will be getting is our conference tv money (pennies) and money from away games played at the autonomy conference schools, if that is offered to us.

Tech should take its share of the exit fees, go Independent for a bit, make some money, and look for something when the next round of poaching happens. There's no reason to stick around in some piecemeal conference where we're traveling all over the place to play FCS teams that are only getting called up because Judy needs them to keep her job. Screw the CUSA teams that are still here. Once USM jumped, we had no one left worth caring about. We just need to take care of ourselves.

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Tech should take its share of the exit fees, go Independent for a bit, make some money, and look for something when the next round of poaching happens. There's no reason to stick around in some piecemeal conference where we're traveling all over the place to play FCS teams that are only getting called up because Judy needs them to keep her job. Screw the CUSA teams that are still here. Once USM jumped, we had no one left worth caring about. We just need to take care of ourselves.

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I believe independent in football could absolutely work, but how would this function with other sports?

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Tech should take its share of the exit fees, go Independent for a bit, make some money, and look for something when the next round of poaching happens. There's no reason to stick around in some piecemeal conference where we're traveling all over the place to play FCS teams that are only getting called up because Judy needs them to keep her job. Screw the CUSA teams that are still here. Once USM jumped, we had no one left worth caring about. We just need to take care of ourselves.

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You seriously think that the admin is bold, now that's funny.

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Tech should take its share of the exit fees, go Independent for a bit, make some money, and look for something when the next round of poaching happens. There's no reason to stick around in some piecemeal conference where we're traveling all over the place to play FCS teams that are only getting called up because Judy needs them to keep her job. Screw the CUSA teams that are still here. Once USM jumped, we had no one left worth caring about. We just need to take care of ourselves.

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If we want to play in bowls, chance to finally get back into the basketball tournament, return to baseball playoffs we need a conference. If CUSA can hit the bare minimum for members, we can help make up for the travel costs to El Paso and Miami by playing our non-conference games nearby (there are lots of OOC options in the region now). If we have 7 CUSA games (half of which will be at home) and then pad the OOC with a money game or two plus some mix of UNT/USM/Rice (we already have USA and SMU on the schedule I think) then that's not terribly worse from a travel standpoint than we often see now (a little worse, not a whole lot worse). Ride that out for a few years and maybe the Big 12 adds Memphis or the MWC expands somehow to 14 (without adding just FCS programs or UTEP or whatever, maybe tries to get into Texas) and then we cross our fingers for a spot to open up. Or maybe something bigger happens.

But Independent is no fun.

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If we want to play in bowls, chance to finally get back into the basketball tournament, return to baseball playoffs we need a conference. If CUSA can hit the bare minimum for members, we can help make up for the travel costs to El Paso and Miami by playing our non-conference games nearby (there are lots of OOC options in the region now). If we have 7 CUSA games (half of which will be at home) and then pad the OOC with a money game or two plus some mix of UNT/USM/Rice (we already have USA and SMU on the schedule I think) then that's not terribly worse from a travel standpoint than we often see now (a little worse, not a whole lot worse). Ride that out for a few years and maybe the Big 12 adds Memphis or the MWC expands somehow to 14 (without adding just FCS programs or UTEP or whatever, maybe tries to get into Texas) and then we cross our fingers for a spot to open up. Or maybe something bigger happens.

But Independent is no fun.

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You only need a conference for 2 of those. Those sports can join their own conference without football, and we can still play in bowls without a conference affiliation.

There are more than enough regional teams to play competitive, equally-matched games or whatever you want to call it for most of the season, while also having a couple of money games and without being forced to play whatever becomes of CUSA. It wouldn't be that hard to pull off until the next round of realignment.

Just saw ODU makes it official going to Sun Belt!

Looking more and more like we will not have a conference at all in 2 years. No exit fee income. We need to have a landing spot worked out before 2023.

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You only need a conference for 2 of those. Those sports can join their own conference without football, and we can still play in bowls without a conference affiliation.

There are more than enough regional teams to play competitive, equally-matched games or whatever you want to call it for most of the season, while also having a couple of money games and without being forced to play whatever becomes of CUSA. It wouldn't be that hard to pull off until the next round of realignment.

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There are certainly more bowls now than there were in 1997 or 1999. But as we learned in 2012, most of those bowls have back-up plans already in place. They've all got primary tie-ins and secondary tie-ins already.

And what conference were you hoping to park our non-football sports in while we look around? The Southland? The WAC? Why would those conferences be interested in doing that?

And yeah, there are more FBS teams now than in the late 90s, and because of these giant conferences in the region all those school have fewer non-conference options than they once did (like SMU and UNT can't play OOC anymore). But the middle and later part of the season can get pretty bare when everyone else is in conference mode. If we're going to be playing UMass and UConn anyway in November, we might as well be playing FIU and UTEP so we can get some scraps of the football playoff money and keep some bowl ties.

Neither is what we'd want but if the choices are crappy CUSA (FIU, MTSU, WKU, UTEP + FCS call-ups) for a few years or Independent for a few years, I think CUSA is the way to go. In either case, the "for a few years" is the key. We really need the new trend in conferences to go to 16 (or another big to medium trickle down shake-up).

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Power 4? Where is the Big 12 going?

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Texas an Oklahoma was the bell cow for the Big 12, and now that they are gone, that conference will fall apart. I won’t be surprised to see the B1G go after Kansas and possibly WVU if they ever become a member of the AAU. That’s coming soon.

We may not like the look of CUSA in two years, but if we can hold it together, we NEED to hold it together. Independence does not seem to be the path that can keep us at any kind of FBS level that we want.

Unless you are ND with your own TV contract, pickings will be slim when it comes to recruiting and finances. BYU saw the handwriting on the wall, they know affiliation is better than independence and they do have a national following.

The object is for us to get to eight in all sports, that is not UN-doable, maybe distasteful, but I think can be accomplished. With only eight FB members, we have a very open schedule, we can play seven conference games, play one money game or two, play two OOC games (USM,NT,UAB...) and try to establish some H&H games with some other TX teams for recruiting. We will also be able to collect exit fees which it seems every defector thinks they will negotiate down, maybe they will, someone more knowledgeable than me will have to explain that though. We really need to be at ten in FB though, that way we are guaranteed more home games and we will be at max payout per team.

We may pull in a couple of really good BB programs also, programs that make tournament appearances and tougher competition helps elevate play across the board. Watching two or three FCS teams come up could be exciting, especially with a few upsets. Some of these FCS teams already have bigger budgets, bigger universities, more population than what some CUSA members have. Maybe create a conference that sticks together, that could be important down the line and maybe develop some notoriety for that.

I am not a sunshine pumper, but no Henny Penny either, the sky is not falling...yet.

We are all speculating on what is going on and the opinions vary wildly, but even under Judy Jeep, there are calls being made, negotiating and bargaining going on, and discussions between universities we will never know about. I don't think this puts us in a better conference by getting these adds, not that naive, but we survive and we have more than enough lemons to open a lemonade superstore!

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I agree with most of what you wrote, but I think BYU joining the Big 12 was just because it was the Big 12. They weren't giving up independence to go back to the MWC.

And the part above I disagree with - we don't need 10 teams for football. 9 is the ideal number for football (10 is better for basketball).

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I agree with most of what you wrote, but I think BYU joining the Big 12 was just because it was the Big 12. They weren't giving up independence to go back to the MWC.

And the part above I disagree with - we don't need 10 teams for football. 9 is the ideal number for football (10 is better for basketball).

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You are correct about BYU, they were just waiting it out in independence, but they knew they needed a conference and were able to stick it out until the Big 12 came along. The reason I say ten is if we wanted to develop a CCG, we would have the choice to do so or not do so. I am under the assumption the CFP(?) money is at its max with ten members though, not sure that is enough to justify a tenth member though.

What it boils down to is everyone we negotiate with will have different demands, opinions on who will be in conference with them, some will want to bring along a travel partner. There are a LOT of moving parts in this and I am not confident Judy can orchestrate it all. If we had better leadership from our AD all the way up to Conference commissioner, I would not be nearly as concerned.

Silver lining guys. If we go Indy, we can’t afford to play Southeastern, McNeese, Nichols, or NWSt. We won’t have to risk being beat by our neighborhood FCS members.

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Texas an Oklahoma was the bell cow for the Big 12, and now that they are gone, that conference will fall apart. I won’t be surprised to see the B1G go after Kansas and possibly WVU if they ever become a member of the AAU. That’s coming soon.

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I think the Big 12 will leave the NCAA in a few years with the rest of the autonomous conferences. At least before WVU gains AAU membership. WVU fits muh better in the ACC anyhow.

If we truly need the market size, which we do, Tech needs to absorb ULM or LSUS. Period!

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Texas an Oklahoma was the bell cow for the Big 12, and now that they are gone, that conference will fall apart. I won’t be surprised to see the B1G go after Kansas and possibly WVU if they ever become a member of the AAU. That’s coming soon.

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If I was a betting person I would bet against this. They actually seem to be telling ESPN to shove it and have replaced them. The money may be different now, but they will have huge exit fees from those teams. I guess we will see, but at least short-term they aren't going anywhere.

I know this will come across as flaming, but it’s not. The Cajuns have been in this position before.

The talk of scheduling OOC games against former CUSA members may be a pipe dream. Those programs will want to separate themselves from the remaining CUSA programs. Just as they did when they left the SBC.

The same thing LaTech did in the WAC and CUSA. 4 maybe 5 OOC football games against SBC programs since 2001? So it may not be as easy as just setting up
H&H with these programs.

Adding NMSU, UMASS, UCONN is infinitely better than SHSU, Missouri St and Tarleton St. add UTA and UALR as non-football playing members and keep the auto bids.

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I know this will come across as flaming, but it’s not. The Cajuns have been in this position before.

The talk of scheduling OOC games against former CUSA members may be a pipe dream. Those programs will want to separate themselves from the remaining CUSA programs. Just as they did when they left the SBC.

The same thing LaTech did in the WAC and CUSA. 4 maybe 5 OOC football games against SBC programs since 2001? So it may not be as easy as just setting up
H&H with these programs.

Adding NMSU, UMASS, UCONN is infinitely better than SHSU, Missouri St and Tarleton St. add UTA and UALR as non-football playing members and keep the auto bids.

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If you are going to troll you at least need to get your facts straight...

We have had FOUR SBC games just against y'all since 2001...03, 04, 14, 15...Know the outcome of all of those? Win, win, win, win. Even our arguably worst coaches since 2001...Bicknell and Holtz, they have both beaten Lafayette.

By my records we have scheduled SBC opponents 7 times since 2001. Y'all four times, North Texas when they were still SBC, and South Alabama twice!

Would have had a game against ULM last year but they "canceled due to Covid"

This averages a game every 3 years with a SBC opponent. So to say we NEVER schedule SBC is a fallacy.

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I know this will come across as flaming, but it’s not. The Cajuns have been in this position before.

The talk of scheduling OOC games against former CUSA members may be a pipe dream. Those programs will want to separate themselves from the remaining CUSA programs. Just as they did when they left the SBC.

The same thing LaTech did in the WAC and CUSA. 4 maybe 5 OOC football games against SBC programs since 2001? So it may not be as easy as just setting up
H&H with these programs.

Adding NMSU, UMASS, UCONN is infinitely better than SHSU, Missouri St and Tarleton St. add UTA and UALR as non-football playing members and keep the auto bids.

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Playing as an independent, yeah - it'd be harder than it sounds to fill a whole schedule with regional teams (because eventually everyone wants to focus on conference play).

But for a couple of games a year, we should be fine. Who else are those teams going to play OOC? Half the teams they used to schedule OOC are now in their conference. Same for you guys in the belt. If you're a G5 in the south, and you want a near(ish) 1-for-1, it's going to be CUSA or the other of AAC/Sunbelt. UNT's looking at us, Texas State, or one of the UL-Twins for nearest other G-5 programs. Same is true for SMU. And Rice. And UTSA.

We already had series going with SMU and USA. But now SMU-UNT and USM-ULL/ULM/TROY/USA are all off as OOC games. So again, USM either plays us or they play UAB/Tulane.

It's very much not a good situation for us right now, but one thing that we should be able to do is schedule regional OOC games as needed (we've also played regional OOC series throughout our time in the WAC and CUSA, so I'm not sure what you're getting at there). We played ULL right after we joined the WAC and again years later. We played UNT while in the WAC. You can't play everybody every year (if you could, Independent would be a better option). I guess you're trying to say that the former CUSA west teams will be trying to distance themselves, but I don't think that will be the case and I think their ability to do so would be limited even if they do want to. And I think Tech big-timing the 'belt is overstated, as mentioned above we played Sunbelt teams from the beginning.

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If you are going to troll you at least need to get your facts straight...

We have had FOUR SBC games just against y'all since 2001...03, 04, 14, 15...Know the outcome of all of those? Win, win, win, win. Even our arguably worst coaches since 2001...Bicknell and Holtz, they have both beaten Lafayette.

By my records we have scheduled SBC opponents 7 times since 2001. Y'all four times, North Texas when they were still SBC, and South Alabama twice!

Would have had a game against ULM last year but they "canceled due to Covid"

This averages a game every 3 years with a SBC opponent. So to say we NEVER schedule SBC is a fallacy.

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So 7 games out of 80 OOC opportunities. That’s a lot of games to fill.

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So 7 games out of 80 OOC opportunities. That’s a lot of games to fill.

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I know I said elsewhere that the Trolls World Tour we're dealing with now is the second worst thing about this whole situation (after the actual conference falling apart and leaving us behind).


But it's starting to become a close second.

How many can raise their hand and say they were around when Tech was playing as an Independent? It's a hard row to hoe. Sounds good on paper. Much tougher to manage in the real world. You're basically running around with your hand out hoping someone will say yes. Not having the conference...any conference...scheduling to rely on makes life in the Independent world a crap shoot.

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How many can raise their hand and say they were around when Tech was playing as an Independent? It's a hard row to hoe. Sounds good on paper. Much tougher to manage in the real world. You're basically running around with your hand out hoping someone will say yes. Not having the conference...any conference...scheduling to rely on makes life in the Independent world a crap shoot.

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Well remember it and hearing from the people I worked with and knew asking me "Why are y'all doing this to yourselves?" I think we has as few as 3 home games one year and 4 the rest of the time, no TV, but Dave Nitz provided a window to those games like no one else could, and I mean no one.

We had that really good season where we ranked for a week and did not get any kind of bowl consideration, so yeah, Independence is a last option. I can hold my nose for a while if we have to pull up two or three FCS teams. I would not have hold my nose at all if we pulled up some like ND and SD.

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How many can raise their hand and say they were around when Tech was playing as an Independent? It's a hard row to hoe. Sounds good on paper. Much tougher to manage in the real world. You're basically running around with your hand out hoping someone will say yes. Not having the conference...any conference...scheduling to rely on makes life in the Independent world a crap shoot.

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Ah...some of us were long time Tech fans BEFORE we even got to the Indy status days...just saying. :rolleyes: