Jon Wilner
@wilnerhotline
Source: USC and UCLA are planning to leave for the Big Ten as early as 2024. Move *has not been finalized* at the highest levels of power.
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Jon Wilner
@wilnerhotline
Source: USC and UCLA are planning to leave for the Big Ten as early as 2024. Move *has not been finalized* at the highest levels of power.
Ross Dellenger
@RossDellenger
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USC and UCLA are in negotiations to join the Big Ten conference, a source tells @SINow, confirming @wilnerhotline's report.
A stunning but not all that surprising move: Teams are jockeying to get into the top two leagues of FBS - the SEC and B1G.
So, does Pac12 take from Big 12 to create at SW Pod? Do they take Boise & SDSU and maybe another?
Does this eventually get us to AAC (AKA old C-USA)?
AAC
Alabama-Birmingham, Charlotte, East Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Memphis, Navy, North Texas, Rice, SMU, South Florida, Temple, Texas-San Antonio, Tulane, Tulsa
ACC
Boston College, Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami, NC State, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
Big 10
Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, UCLA, USC, Wisconsin
Big 12
Baylor, BYU, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, West Virginia
C-USA
Florida International, Jacksonville State, Liberty, Louisiana Tech, Middle Tennessee, New Mexico State, Sam Houston, UTEP, Western Kentucky
MAC
Akron, Ball State, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Miami (Ohio), Northern Illinois, Ohio, Toledo, Western Michigan
MWC
Air Force, Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah State, Wyoming
Pac 12
Arizona, Arizona State, California, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Utah, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington State
SBC
Appalachian State, Arkansas State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, James Madison, Louisiana, Louisiana-Monroe, Marshall, Old Dominion, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Texas State, Troy
SEC
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt
Tech and WKU take their places in Pac-12.
It'll be like the WAC all over again. Be ready for late kick-offs and long flights. Oh well, we'll just have to make the best of it.
Said thing is we aren't go anymore. AAC looks as if the are/have gone after schools in higher population centers. Only other "geographical fit" would be the FunBelt
Sad thing is we aren't going anywhere*
I could see the Pac 12 looking at Oklahoma State, Kansas, and Texas Tech. The only MWC schools the Pac 12 would look at are probably Air Force and Colorado State. Boise State is a non-starter academically for the Pac 12. San Diego State might have a chance, but not much better than Boise.
Front Office Sports @FOS
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The Big 12 may "get aggressive" and look to add Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado, per @Brett_McMurphy
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“We’re headed to super conferences.”
The Big 12 wanted the Arizona schools last time we played musical chairs, Utah and Colorado is new to the mix.Quote:
Originally Posted by sportdawg
Please please please result in us getting in a more geographically tight knit conference.
Probably the SEC. Saban better watch out. :shocked2:Quote:
Originally Posted by inudesu
So if USC, UCLA to B1G and Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado to B12, what the next step for Pac#.
Do they raid MWC & AAC / taking SDSU, Boise (MWC) and SMU, Memphis (AAC) / that gets back to Pac10. Would they take more from MWC?
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AAC
Alabama-Birmingham, Charlotte, East Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Memphis, Navy, North Texas, Rice, SMU, South Florida, Temple, Texas-San Antonio, Tulane, Tulsa
ACC
Boston College, Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami, NC State, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
Big 10
Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, UCLA, USC, Wisconsin
Big 12
Arizona, Arizona State, Baylor, BYU, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Colorado, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah, West Virginia
C-USA
Florida International, Jacksonville State, Liberty, Louisiana Tech, Middle Tennessee, New Mexico State, Sam Houston, UTEP, Western Kentucky
MAC
Akron, Ball State, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Miami (Ohio), Northern Illinois, Ohio, Toledo, Western Michigan
MWC
Air Force, Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah State, Wyoming
Pac 12
California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State
SBC
Appalachian State, Arkansas State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, James Madison, Louisiana, Louisiana-Monroe, Marshall, Old Dominion, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Texas State, Troy
SEC
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt
It sure looks like BYU panicked when it moved to the Big 12. The offer to the Pac10 would have been on the President's desk by now, might be anyway, who knows?Quote:
Originally Posted by sportdawg
The Big 12 is the one that panicked. Lots of buyer's remorse on its incoming additions now. A full Big 12/Pac 12 merger would be in the cards right now if it had held its water. But the 4 new incoming Big 12 schools muddy that water significantly.
If the Big 12 takes the lead and tries to poach the Arizona and mountain schools from the Pac 12, the Pac 12 may get reduced to 6 with no good options left.
Done deal. USC/UCLA gawn-peekawn. Rumors are heating up that Oregon and Washington have now reached out to the B1G this evening.
I’m so bored by this. Going after money. Hope Saudi Arabia does not have anything in the till.
This only confirms what members of this board have said for nearly 2 decades.
There will be a few “power conferences” and they will have their own rules and regulations. They will control the money, the scheduling, TV contracts, championship, etc.
The NCAA officially died today with this news.
Houston, Cincinnati, UCF, BYU, Baylor, Kansas State, West Virginia, Rutgers, Washington State, Iowa State - those schools will have some problems. Either their standard of living is about to decline or their dreams of being in a power conference just evaporated.
This is what I am thinking too, but would replace Texas Tech with BaylorQuote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDawg
1. Oklahoma State - Tons of money and pretty good at all the sports.
2. Kansas - Good at Basketball, name recognition and a good academic school.
3. Baylor has pretty much everything. Money, good at all the sports and great academics. Fit perfectly into the PAC-12 besides the religion part.
They probably looked at it like Utah would never let them get in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom
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Originally Posted by sportdawg
The most plausible scenario:
Cal, Stanford, Oregon, and Washington head to the Big 10 with USC and UCLA.
Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, and Colorado head to the Big 12.
Oregon State and Washington State end up in the MWC.
I don’t think Baylor will be picked up by anyone. Too much baggage and too much religion.
Dennis Dodd
@dennisdoddcbs
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Sources: Oregon and Washington have been told by @bigten that it is standing pat for now. Waiting on a decision by Notre Dame.
I don’t know Brigham Young founded the University of Utah…Baylor’s just barely religious.Quote:
Originally Posted by faninmonroe
After listening to Jon Wilner and Matt Brown this morning on SiriusXM - the 2 reporters who have lived realignment for the past 11 months - I'm beginning to rethink this.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
Even if the Pac 12 were to eventually lose USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Cal, and Stanford, the money may not be any better in the Big 12 for the 6 remaining Pac 12 members. A depleted Pac 12 that adds from the MWC may still pull in what the Big 12 pulls in in media money.
That would likely keep the Four Corner schools from bolting. As Brown put it "the Pac 12 may look different with Fresno State in it, but it will still survive." The pause the Big 10 is taking to wait on Notre Dame almost ensures the fact the Pac 12 will expand in the coming weeks and be around for the long-term. As Brown put it "it's really hard to kill off a conference."
In any case, both leagues - Pac 12 and Big 12 - are negotiating their new deals. They'll have an idea as to where they stand in the coming weeks and months. A few things to keep an eye on:
-Does ESPN completely low-ball the Pac 12 and Big 12 in an effort to exit those leagues altogether?
-Does Fox make an over-the-top offer to the Big 10 for exclusive rights that keeps CBS as well as Apple and Amazon out of the competition at any level? The new package is expected to pay over $100 million per year, per school in media money.
-If ESPN focuses almost entirely on the SEC and ACC, what does the TV package with the Pac 12 and Big 12 look like? Could each league find value in a combo CBS/Fox/Apple/Amazon deal?
-If 3 players in CBS, Apple and Amazon are frozen out of the Big 2 and all looking for content, would it lead the Pac 12 and Big 12 to expand beyond 12 schools? That would impact the G5 in a major way.
Regarding the ACC's Grant of Rights.
There was a big story this week about it in The Athletic. Could ACC schools like Florida State, Clemson, and Miami get out of their GOR deals? Possibly (according to the article).
But consider the fact Texas and Oklahoma couldn't find a way out of their Big 12 GOR deals.
The best example I've heard was this: What if North Carolina were to join the Big 10 tomorrow. They would receive a $100 million check each summer from the Big 10 in their share of media money. They would then have to sign over that $100 million check to the ACC each year through June 30, 2036.
Geez, we are just playing with Monopoly money now anyway. What’s a few hundred million here and there?
https://twitter.com/ksl5tv/status/15..._xKhoEv3WlMF3g
Utah, Arizona, Arizona State & Colorado meeting with B12
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Shehan Jeyarajah
@ShehanJeyarajah
BREAKING NEWS from @dennisdoddcbs
: The Big 12 is in deep discussions to add up to six Pac-12 teams
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cbssports.com
Big 12 in deep discussions to add up to six Pac-12 teams after USC, UCLA defections to Big Ten -...
The Big 12 is aiming to maintain its positioning as a power conference while expanding its footprint to a key market
11:27 AM · Jul 5, 2022·Twitter Web App
Is there some rule about dissolving the conference with so few members? I see the PAC down to two members still having the power to add members just like CUSA getting down to 5. The PAC has the bowl tie ins, media deal and NCAA credits still for the next few years don't they? I'm sure the two remaining schools could just add teams from the MWC and possibly AAC how they seem fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
My bet is they expand to a point where they have to play 9-10 conference games and they won’t sacrifice schedule strength by playing the have nots. If Oklahoma plays Louisiana Tech and Ohio State plays Florida, then OSU will get to nod in a playoff scenario over Oklahoma if all else is equal.
An FBS conference has a two-year grace period to be maintained as an FBS conference if its qualifying membership falls below 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgonit
PAC-12 will be harder to kill than the C-USA was.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDawg
They will cherry pick off the MWC
Fresno State, SDSU, Boise St, Air Force…
If the Big 12 poaches 4 (or 6), the Pac 12 rights renegotiation won't go very well for the remaining Pac 4 or Pac 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
The death of our AAC hopes?Quote:
Originally Posted by sportdawg
Not necessarily. Depends on who the Pac x replacements might be and what impact those moves have.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Watching this is like watching people in the water trying to climb into a lifeboat that’s already full.
While Tech tries to get back into the sinking ship :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by SicemDawgz
I want to laugh, but that’s too close to accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
Braden Keith
@Braden_Keith
SOURCE: North Carolina, Florida State, Clemson, and Virginia are all negotiating to join the SEC. ESPN is trying to void their TV deal with the ACC.
The question is not which conference will be the winner, but which network?
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.10a14067...pid=ImgRaw&r=0
Say goodbye to Home and Home games with the likes of Mississippi State or similar. They will not except having an away game with a nonconference opponent in addition to having additional away games in conference.
So does ACC take reload (or merge with Pac 12). If B12 gets to 18, does it round up to 20?
I think AAC expanded to 14, because they assume Memphis & SMU will leave. But I don't think they expected ACC to get poached. Maybe USF, CLT (or ECU) to ACC. Do they stick at 12 or try for 16.
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AAC
Alabama-Birmingham, Charlotte, East Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Memphis, Navy, North Texas, Rice, SMU, South Florida, Temple, Texas-San Antonio, Tulane, Tulsa
ACC
Boston College, Duke, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami, NC State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
Big 10
Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, UCLA, USC, Wisconsin
Big 12
Arizona, Arizona State, Baylor, BYU, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Colorado, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oregon, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah, Washington, West Virginia
C-USA
Florida International, Jacksonville State, Liberty, Louisiana Tech, Middle Tennessee, New Mexico State, Sam Houston, UTEP, Western Kentucky
MAC
Akron, Ball State, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Miami (Ohio), Northern Illinois, Ohio, Toledo, Western Michigan
MWC
Air Force, Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah State, Wyoming
Pac 12
California, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington State
SBC
Appalachian State, Arkansas State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, James Madison, Louisiana, Louisiana-Monroe, Marshall, Old Dominion, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Texas State, Troy
SEC
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt, Virginia
Interesting to listen to national talk shows today on this subject. College Sports Saturday on Sirius XM had some good points.
-The idea of the ACC being raided at all is unrealistic. Start with the Grant of Rights. The idea of getting out of it - with some of the crazy legal theories put forward over the past week - is just not going to happen. But secondly, why would ESPN provide the SEC with any type of bump in money in order for the SEC to attempt to acquire a property ESPN already owns at a bargain price in another conference? And the Big 10 isn't going to upset their applecart with a protracted legal battle. The schools involved - outside of North Carolina - aren't worth it.
-It's clear ESPN is going to have to provide a somewhat lucrative deal to the Pac 12 in order to keep them together. The information that's come out about ESPN fearing a major loss of content if the Pac 12 is raided in a major way appears to be very real. The talk of ESPN being the intermediary between the Pac 12 and ACC on a scheduling agreement where the ACC Network would be rebranded and distributed nationally also appears to be real.
-The Big 10 not raiding the Pac 12 immediately for schools like Oregon was somewhat explained in the past few days by an interview from a Portland columnist with the former president of Fox Sports Networks Bob Thompson. Thompson indicated that Oregon's value in the media rights world was only $30 million per year to the Big 10. If they're invited to the Big 10 at some point in the future, it'll be because they're a tag along or to keep Phil Knight happy. It might also indicate that neither Washington, Cal nor Stanford would have $100 million or more in value that it might take to get to the Big 10, as well.
-Big 12 expansion with the Four Corners Pac 12 schools may happen, but it doesn't appear to be as inevitable as it seemed a week ago. If ESPN is able to put a model together that partners the Pac 12 and ACC, it might stave off the Big 12. In his interview, Thompson pointed to the fact the ACC had better markets than the Big 12. Could ESPN generate enough revenue to at least match what the Four Corners schools would get elsewhere? That might mean the Pac 12 expands by just 2, getting back into California with SDSU and Fresno State.
How can presidents and ADs suck up to ESPN who has shown HORRIBLE business decisions repeatedly?
Leave the ADs out of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
The sucking up to ESPN is by the presidents.
Why? Because they're university presidents!!!
When it came to athletics did you see what came out of the 16th floor for about 25 years beginning in the late 80s?
Great point, but our last AD defined puppet and there are many more puppet ADs in this cluster doing what their woke bosses are telling them to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
I wonder if all of this would be going on if the PAC 12 and ACC had agreed to the increase in the playoff formats?
The SEC & B1G kind of fired a warning shot when it was voted down -
Is this the result of that?
Yes
I don'tQuote:
Originally Posted by faninmonroe
I think they would of stood PAT for another five years or so
The only place for Tech going forward in all of this shuffling about is to become an ass kicker. Beat everyone you play as soundly as you can, schedule up at every opportunity and beat them too. Nice guys like Holtz tried to play it, finish last. When everybody respects who you are and wants to share in it by being associated with you, you’ll get more of what you want.
THIS! It is our only choice at this time and is what can change everything!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bone_afide_Dawg
No any P5 AD except Jack Swawbrick or President except John Jenkins would move his school into the Big 10 or SEC tomorrow, if given the chance. Clemson and FSU would be in the SEC already, if not for the worst media rights agreement imaginable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
This alignment has nothing to do with access, only money. UCLA has not had a top 8 or 12 team this century. They aren't thinking national championships. USC, Texas and UCLA have never made the play-offs. Texas and ULCA wouldn't be favorites to make it even if they would have expanded. The play-offs will expand in 2026 anyway. The increase USC and UCLA will see in conference pay-outs will soon be bigger than our entire athletic budget, These P5 realignments have nothing to do with access, rivalries, tradition, the athletes. Only money or survival. In this case, with these two schools, only money. The Big 10 already has the highest pay-out per school. They just added two schools in the second largest tv market in the most populated state.
I haven't watched a large school football game in a long time except when TECH plays them. I am definitely not going to start now. I like the atmosphere around the non power schools more.
Remember when we once expected to actually "compete" in those games? Hope that changes, but that part of Tech football culture disappeared over the past 9 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by WWDog
The best part about watching the P5 teams play? Seeing all the empty seats.
I see us scaring the hell out of clemson this year. I’ll be in the stands, super excited for it!Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
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Originally Posted by Dixonfor6
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We don't need to scare the hell out of somebody. We need to BEAT somebody for a change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dixonfor6
Well it stands to reason if we scare Clemson we should kill Missouri. Missouri is only a 20 point favorite at the moment. Clemson loses three games in a season, finish out of the top 4 and people think they are toast. They still have the nations longest home winning streak at 34 wins. Plus have won 10 or more games 11 years in a row. Only them and Bama can say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
I’m ready for this too. So many schools out there have giant killers since the last time we were. It’s time for us to have the combo of coaches and players to get there again.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Listed the Pac schools of course, but also the G5 schools!!! But not us. SMU (who has been mentioned before), UTSA and Tulsa. No way they make the cut.
https://sports.yahoo.com/7-teams-big...135325019.html
There, I fixed it for you HD!Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Nobody will respect Tech until it ditches Joe Ailliet Stadium and fill Independence Stadium EVERY home game. Simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bone_afide_Dawg
Sarcasm? If not, perhaps that is the dumbest statement ever on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by genpop
Anyone want to join me in a pool for the mega millions? We each get to keep $2 million, the rest I'll create an account that sends it's income to fund La Tech Athletics. I think we could easily create an additional $15million annual (in perpetuity) if we invested 1/2 billion (after taxes and our cut).
One major flaw in your plan. I have a strong belief the winning ticket was bought earlier this week in Southeast Louisiana.Quote:
Originally Posted by sportdawg
Have you not been keeping up? Most of the moves have been based on MONEY and tv ratings.....why would a conference be interested in a school that cant even fill its own 29000 seat stadium? Tech NEEDS the shreveport/bossier market to support and sustain it in a MAJOR way or the best Tech could do is the Sunbelt. I know its not a popular statement to make on this forum,,,but it's truth. (something in which a lot people have a problem with these days)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldawg81
I don't think anyone argues with the logic that we need the Shreveport market. We have attempted many times to do this. I don't think the problem is with "wanting" the market, the problem is that we don't ever seem to market ourselves or our games correctly when we do play there. This message board had plenty of ideas of how to do that - none of which happened. It is just a story that we keep replaying, but not doing anything different. This is why you are seeing the resistance. People gave up on it ever being done correctly and that has resulted in Shreveport Walmart fans for lsu.Quote:
Originally Posted by genpop
Okay no rule says you have to play games on campus. Over 20 schools play their football games off campus. Nobody else plays even 20 miles off campus, although you are proposing playing all our home games 70 miles off campus.Quote:
Originally Posted by genpop
Let's say we start playing all our home games in Independence Stadium and we are having sellouts every game. What conference would we be in?
We wouldn’t even have to pay for fireworks. Those would be provided by the community.Quote:
Originally Posted by genpop
ESPN getting out of the Big 10 business, they will get their billions from Fox and NBC. Makes sense that ESPN will replace the Big 10 with the Big 12. The Big 12 will keep a solid hold on the number 3 slot. The gap between these conferences and CUSA is mind numbing.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-espn-...184224884.html
But the rule does say your designated home stadium that counts toward meeting FBS attendance criteria is the one that at least 50% of "home" games are played in. Plus one game at a neutral site against an FBS team can count as a "home" game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom
The only reason Shreveport should be considered for a whole season of home games would be if it was finally decided that the entire stadium structure except for the new press box needed to be gutted and rebuilt and the project would take more than 9 months to complete.
We'd be much more desired by a very attractive Sunbelt (an ugly duckling that is looking more like a swan these days)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom