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Could sum it up in one word: circus
The Goppers have never been able to organize a Bar-B-Cue, let alone run a political party. They managed to rumble, bumble, stumble through the recent mid-terms; got lucky to take the House. And now...no words. :rolleyes:
You are such a swamper.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
At least the dims stab you in the chest while they laugh at you.
The GOPs get you in the back and laugh twice as hard.
I see where Mitch is traveling with Biden in Kentucky and lauding the virtues of the pork KY is going to get from the 1.7 TRILLION garbage bill that was just passed. If they want a real reason the GOP almost went down in flames in the midterms, they need to look no further than that!
I am hardly a swamper. Anyone who thinks so has not been reading this board or is willfully ignorant.
The point is the enemy is Biden and the demwits, not other Republicans. I agree with just about every issue the rogue 20 are pressing. But holding the House hostage is not the best way to get change. McCarthy has met with them privately and has made some concessions. But as Newt Gingrich rightly points out, this can't be a hostage situation where you give in to every demand or that will just encourage future hostage-taking. One of these 20...they can pick a candidate...should run for Speaker. Make his case to the whole GOP caucus and agree to abide by the rules of the House and engage in the selection process. If he is able to garner enough votes i.e. get to the 218, great! If not they should acknowledge defeat and then vote with everyone else to move on.
I may have not heard correctly, as I was still sleepy, but this morning on MSNBC's World Wide Exchange I think I heard them say the Dems have pulled a fast one as the House, while Pelosi/Dems were still in control last month, handed over "power of the purse" to the Senate, rendering the GOP House rather powerless in matters of the budget. I will not be surprised if this is true. Having lost the House for the next two years and holding the Senate, the Dems...who never waiver from playing politics and always stick together...have seized total control of Congress. They have their goofy, mindless puppet in the WH to sign bills into law, and effectively don't need the House.
No, I do not know if this is true, or if true...i.e. the Dems are trying this tactic...if it is Constitutional. But regardless, never underestimate the Dems from doing what they have to to push their agenda. And never underestimate the GOP from sucking their thumbs and allowing the Dems to get away with it.
Remember, the Dems have pulled stunts like this in the past. Of course, it has come back to bite them too. The Dems changed the rules to suit them in judge appointments, assuming Krooked Killary was going to win, and bam! Trump used those same new Senate rules to rush his nominees through, including THREE SC nominees...thankfully. So! if the Dem House has handed over power to the Senate, and IF the GOP can retake the Senate in 2024...well, well.
Mike Pence pulls sneaky "fast one." Have to hand it to him and his campaign managers, it's very "dem-like." So, kudos to him.
Between Christmas and New Year's, during a period when most people are distracted, "someone" filed the official notice of Mike Pence to seek to run for POTUS in 2024. The Pence team claims it was a prank, a hoax, and the filing was not authorized by Pence or his campaign manager. They disavow knowledge of it, beforehand, and claim no participation in the filing. But, it is official! It is in and only a formal filing of withdrawing from the race can undo it. Well, some pundits think Pence did indeed authorize it and now is playing "sneaky games" hoping to ambush other GOP hopefuls in the primaries. He can suddenly jump in the race at any time now, without alerting his rivals.
Except, as one pundit points out, tricks aside, Pence stands no chance of winning the GOP nomination, no matter what tricks he pulls.
GOP is not even controlled opposition, it is just opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
Dems grift off the governemnt. GOP grifts off their own alleged base.
The tragedy is not that the GOP is dying, because it deserves it. It's that there's nothing to replace it with.
It's like we did the Vulcan mind meld! I agree entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
The only real difference between the GOP and the DEMs these days is their rhetoric. And that is why the "alleged base" of the GOP is shrinking.
Chip Roy nominated Byron Donalds. It’s basically an anyone but McCarthy
I like that choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Donalds is a fireball and I like him. It is obvious that McCarthy will not get to 218. Find someone in our new majority that can. If there isn’t anyone, we are screwed anyway.
The GOP needs to do a private caucus and hash this out behind closed doors. This public display of ineptitude is just embarrassing for the GOP, Republicans in general, conservatives and any decent American (not libtards), and needs to stop. Fuss and fight behind closed doors, arrive at a consensus for someone, then return to the Chamber and make a public vote.
Are we better off for 2 years if a speaker is never seated?
Edit: if the choice is McCarthy or vacant?
Now word is some Dems might agree to vote for McCarthy to get him to 218...but at what price? What concessions will such a Speaker have to make to get such a cross-over vote? If it happens and the agenda stays VERY leftist, then the 20 Repubs will be at fault, and none of them will get any good committee appointments either. Who loses? America loses and average, decent Americans lose.
What’s different? McCarthy is a democrat on the wrong side of the aisle anyway.
Well, he's better than the senate leader on the repub side. I wouldn't call him a democrat, but I do think he's a slime ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
I am OK with what is happening, and hope they take it behind closed doors like 80 said.
What you hope is that he doesn’t promise a bunch of crap to democrats on committees in order to swing their votes.
If this is about the direction of the house and the agenda to follow for the next two years, I am all in favor of this continuing for however long it takes. McCarthy is a swamp back stabber that WOULD seek to make deals in direct opposition of his stated values.
If this is about these 20 or so guys getting premium committee assignments and stuff, I will treat them the same way I treat Cruz, who I would NEVER take the time to go to the polls to cast a vote in his favor.
I 100% disagree with this statement. Marble Mouth is worse than any single demwit because he will work with demwits to complete their agenda without a second thought. There are a bunch of RINOs still left over in the House too despite a whole crew of them not being around for the new Congress.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
And Ronna Romney needs to be kicked to the curb from the RNC chair. You can't fail like she has over the last four years and be rewarded with another 2-year term.
When Dan Crenshaw calls the 21 GOPers who vote against McCarthy “terrorists” and “the enemy”. Should tell you something. He doesn’t have the nickname of eyepatch McCain for nothing. Also when Maxine Watters is out supporting McCarthy that should tell you all you need to know.
I say again, aren’t we worse off if McCarthy makes promises across the aisle to get the votes rather than the 20 just caving? I’m not saying they are wrong in wanting new leadership, but I also don’t put it past McCarthy to screw his own party to get power.
Sounds like a McCain republican, just what we need.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Trump supports McCarthy for Speaker, yet some of our Trumpsters here oppose McCarthy. Hmmm...
I have no particular "like" for McCarthy as Speaker/leader, but I am not so oppose to him that I support this embarrassing distraction. The enemy is Biden et al. McCarthy will be a better leader in the House than McConnell is in the Senate (not saying much, I know). Maybe we need another McXXXX...McDonald! That's the ticket, flip some burgers. Okay, fine, win some concessions from McCarthy to steer the House toward being even more conservative than McCarthy might have been otherwise. Great! Do it behind closed doors. Let's get this done and start addressing the mess Biden et al has created.
This is what I hope is happening. I would rather he win solely on Republican support. That way, he has no excuse to show favor to any Dems. Dems lobby for pet projects all the time. Those on the right should do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Let's not lose sight of the fact that virtually nothing we are hearing about the whole process represents what is actually happening. The lies and spin on this are out of control.
I am pleased the party isn't goose stepping like the dim nazis do. Maybe there is hope for the repubs after all.
Just wanted to add this. If he cannot garner the votes needed to be speaker, and if he couldn't convince repubs in the senate to NOT vote for that pork filled package they just passed recently, perhaps he is ineffective and shouldn't be speaker anyway. And if it's personal animosity toward him because of his arrogance and poor skills in dealing with people that disagree with him (I hear he loves to just snap and go off on folks in meetings), then he will not be able to build consensus among repubs as the speaker is required to do.
Heck, if you wanted stuff to be done quickly, you must love that thousand page spending package full of swamp pork that came out after midnight that nobody read and voted on that same day.
Kevin lost another vote in round 8. Nominated for round 9. I wonder if any of the 20 against him have talked about peeling off and voting for Jeffries for each round that McCarthy remains in the running? In 6 rounds, McCarthy will have lost the speakership for his party. Did I hear right that a representative from North Caroline threatened to resign if McCarthy is voted in?
Another observation about the good ol' GOP.
To prove they would not be a party that waits till the last hour to submit bills full of pork that have to be voted on within hours, they spend two months doing nothing and waiting till the last minute to start negotiating who will represent them.
Well except Kevin himself. After losing 30 votes to Andy Biggs in the house leadership vote in November (a sure sign he had some work to do), he got busy moving his stuff into the Speaker's office.
This should have been hashed out over the last two months behind closed doors. Typical republicans. Their rhetoric was good, however.
December 1 all this should have been settled. You are right. Classic hurry up and wait attitude
Swampers are the problem.
I remember the same swampers casting stones at the tea party movement.
Well, clearly, the "20" are not going to vote for McCarthy, so he needs to withdraw and allow one of them, or ALL of them, to run for the office. Then I wouldn't be surprised if at least 6 of the RINO Swampers vote for the Dem dude, Hakeem Osama, whatever his name is, and deliver the Speakership to the Dems. Then, what will those 20 do? Except for the damage that will do to this country, I could almost hope it would happen and watch those 20 get no committee appointments and fade away into oblivion.
For those of you who are applauding this charade, a serious question. Why when every vote taken, all 11 thus far, are always those 20 on an island? Why haven't their numbers grown? No, seriously. One would think if their position is so righteous (and in theory...kind of yep!) they would have gathered more to their camp. Perhaps having grown to 50+ by now. But, just like McCarthy is stuck on 200, so too are they stuck on 20.
If our current government, including all the EO's, was that of Trump, what Biden et al inherited and have totally wrecked, then having the House rendered impotent for the next two years, would be a good thing. But, folks, take a look at what is going on. The Dems/libtards are perfectly content to have the House never convene and leave all of Biden's policies and spending in place. The Dems aren't losing...McCarthy isn't losing, not really, he can sit back and laugh at the clown show the 20 are providing...America and good Americans are losing.
Good job, "20."
And Hunter Biden is giddy with excitement!
To me, it’s sad that only those 20 aline even reasonably close to my beliefs. I think that’s why they haven’t grown. America is tired of McCarthy, but those who claim to represent us really don’t.
I don't think anyone is applauding the charade.
Problem is, this is what you can expect from the GOP. These are the folks that supposedly represent our interests, and this has been par for the course for some time now. It's why I won't make the effort to go to the polls and vote for them (even though the idiot in the WH convinced me to do so this year).
Much of this is McCarthy's own crap show. He was supposed to put in the effort to build these relationships for the last couple of months. He didn't, so now we aren't being represented AGAIN.
I think I am completely in the corner of the Libertarians now. I will vote for them and stay home if I just don't feel like standing in line. It's like I've always said, dims govern poorly and repubs don't govern at all.
That defeatist attitude won't help get the USA out of its current predicament.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
I don't like where the GOP is right now either. But voting for Libertarians hands the keys over to demwits.
This is a process not a charade. The true conservatives are gaining back things McCarthy and the other swampers refused to even discuss a few months ago. Many of these things were stolen and given up by the RINOs and Pelosi. There are some true conservatives who are just cowardly and refuse to jump on board in fear of losing committee positions or already promised pork.
It's my understanding that McCarthy has met with the "20" and others the past week and made concessions on policy, etc. The "20" simply do not like McCarthy, it's personal. If this is true, then the "20" are just being petty and their constituents need to slam them two years from now in their re-election bids.
Congressman-elect Bob Good delivered a great speech yesterday; he's one of the "20." I agree with everything he said. But, to get where he wants to get to starts with the GOP undoing as much of Biden's agenda as possible. The GOP does not have the Senate or the WH for the next two years, there is only so much they can actually accomplish. But dang! let's get started!
Boebert said on Michael Knowles show that she is a “No” on McCarthy no matter what. The GOP needs to meet until they come out of the room with 1 name to nominate by itself. I don’t like McCarthy. I think he is a snake in the grass. I’m pretty sure the only one in that chamber that isn’t a snake in the grass is Julia Letlow. However, if McCarthy can be forced to restore the operation of that chamber to how it should function, I’m good with him being a neutered speaker.
I'm still ideologically a libertarian but over the last few years I've come to believe that the side that wants to win will always beat the side that wants to be left alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow
If you want glorious ancap paradise, which I do, you have to fight to get it and fight to keep it.
The federal fight is probably lost for good. The Swamp can organize faster than you can, and its got 150 years of experience protecting itself. We've got to focus on strengthening our State and every level below that. But as long as entitlement programs exist that is still a tough fight.
McCarthy has shown he can't be trusted and like his two swampy GOP predecessors, will give away much to get a little. Swampers have grown accustomed to that. True conservatives demand more.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Yep. If anything, this "charade" will ensure that the republican party actually does what it said it would do and not pretty themselves up to make nice with the media that hates them.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Bravo to the 20!
McCarthy has gained votes on the 12th ballot, but he will still fall short of the majority needed of the current 434 votes unless some demwits vote present instead of Jeffries to lower the threshold of votes needed to be a majority. Get ready for a 13th ballot.
And dittos on the 13th ballot. Now 432 members on the floor as two Republicans have had to leave Washington. Getting those two members back still wouldn't be enough without other movement.
Vote to adjourn until 10 PM ET tonight now being taken. The demwits again childishly yelled "no" for 15 seconds during the voice vote. Vote was 220-212 to adjourn with no Republicans voting with demwits to stay in session.
Gatez and a couple of others said they will resign from Congress if McCarthy or someone like him is elected Speaker. Well...bye. Take your ball and go home, little boys.
OR! stay and fight like men. The "20" are having an effect, but if they just up and quit everything they have accomplished will be swept away and forgotten. Win some concessions and hold McCarthy et al to them.
Gaetz said he would resign if he worked for demwit votes to be elected Speaker. If McCarthy is elected tonight on the 14th ballot, it will probably be because the negotiations with demwits are for non-votes. Several dems may be leaving Washington while they are trying to get at least one of the Republicans back for tonight. So glad that proxy voting is dead and buried.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Doesn’t help anyone for them to be whiny quitters
Boebert and Gaetz have voted present on the 14th ballot, but McCarthy is still one vote short at 216-212-4 with the 2 present. 216 is not a majority of 432 votes.
McCarthy now begging for a change in vote by Boebert and Gaetz from present to McCarthy right there on the floor. But no dice. And it got heated on the floor.
McCarthy looking like the idiot he is for proceeding without the votes counted ahead of time. He doesn't have the stones to be an effective Speaker.
15th ballot anyone?
Motion to adjourn until noon Monday. Which is exactly what should have happened this afternoon. Or maybe not. Motion to adjourn was passing unti Gaetz walked down to switch his vote to No on the motion. So everybody is changing their vote and we will have the 15th ballot tonight. And Gaetz looks like he will vote for McCarthy or there will be enough present votes so 216 is a majority to end this.
Most interesting vote to adjourn I have ever seen.
A few around McCarthy have the needed stones, but not the man himself.
Perfect example of a demwit as if we needed a reminder.Quote:
Originally Posted by genpop
McCarthy has been elected Speaker of the House. Gave a great acceptance speech pledging to serve the needs of Americans and being willing to work with anyone who shares that vision.
And then Hakeem Abdul Jefferies embarrassed himself and this country with a typical libtard ranting in an open attack on McCarthy, the GOP, and America. The Demwits never change. They are the rats scooting through the sewers, scurrying around stealing scraps...hmmm, no offense to rats, comparing them to the Demwits.
And congrats to Rep. Steve Scalise elected Majority Leader...Raider Pride!
Now...hammer the bastards!
Will we see follow through from all the detractors who threatened to resign if McCarthy was successful? Will they cave on their threat and prove they are exactly what they claim to oppose?
Who are you referring to?Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
IMO, McCarthy was not successful when he didn't go in vote #1.
He is certainly not considered successful after needing 15. He gave up all of what the 20 were asking for and more.
Dan Bishop and Matt Gaetz were 2 I saw and I think there were more.
Boebert said she was a “no” vote. Did she vote present or for? I didn’t see it. Either way, without a No from her, she is a liar.
Various members of the 20 said lots of stuff in the beginning (McCarthy had been totally ignoring them for months). They also held their ground until they got what they wanted, knowing that McCarthy was the only candidate that the rest would support.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
I get that, but empty threads like, “I’m moving to Canada if…..” or “I’m resigning if…..” only damages trust. Now, anything they claim will be questioned by me, no matter how serious or trivial.
To be fair, you should question anything any politician says. But yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Well sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
Isn't that what you wanted, McCarthy to give in to the "20's" demands?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
There is no "NO" vote. You either vote FOR a named, nominated candidate for Speaker, or you vote PRESENT. Boebert, Gaetz, and four others all voted PRESENT in the final round. Final tally:Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
McCarthy 216 Jefferies 212 Present 6
Her words in interviews were that she was a ‘no’ on McCarthy. Voting present doesn’t mean no. Voting for another means no to the other option. I’m just asking how many made the threat to resign and how many will be honest and follow through. Voting present, IMO, is the most slime ball way out of accountability. If they got what they wanted from McCarthy, then why not vote for him? If I was McCarthy I wouldn’t give them anything they want since he didn’t get their vote.
Boebert could have nominated someone else, she and all members, had that option. Failing that, the 15th round came down to one of three choices: McCarthy, Jefferies, or Present. She voted Present, which to most people meant a "no" for both McCarthy and Jefferies.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Yes, McCarthy can certainly keep them off of committees and such, if he wants retribution for the 6 detractors. Personally, I hope he rises above it and shows he has more integrity than all 6 of those bozos combined. Let's keep in mind who the real enemy is: Biden and the f--king evil commie Demwits.
Decent summary of this past week. Don't agree with all of it, especially McCarthy. At best he is neither a winner nor a loser since he got the job he wanted but had to give away everything in the store and the store building to get it.
Here Are the WINNERS and LOSERS in House Vote for Speaker (thegatewaypundit.com)
Helps to have a basic understanding of what the actual threat was before posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
The threats to resign were based on getting demwit support to push McCarthy over the line. That didn't happen, so the threat conditions weren't met. No one will be resigning over the Speaker vote.
Example from HuffPost:
"Rep. Matt Gaetz threatened to quit Congress Thursday if House Republicans make a deal with Democrats to elect a GOP speaker ― and his critics were hilariously eager for him to make good on that pledge."
Matt Gaetz Threatens To Quit Congress On Fox News And Twitter Has Thoughts | HuffPost Latest News
I forget where I saw/heard the sound bites, but that detail was conveniently absent.
Absolutely. He needs to punish members of his own party and then wonder why their support isn't there the next time he needs them.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
I hope he is smarter than you would be!
This type of thinking is likely EXACTLY why he didn't get their support this go around. I think I read that in quotes from Bobert.
I just don’t agree with anything in Washington. All the manipulation that is required just to stay there. I have forfeited business when a potential client tried to manipulate me. We haven’t missed a bill or meal yet. It all just makes me sick.
What the 20 did was extremely “non Washington” and non swamp. Best thing since Trump beat Clinton.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Well, seems to me it was VERY DC-like, they just used the tactic against the Swamp this time. Regardless the only thing that matters now is getting positive results. We shall see if the "20" moved McCarthy and his inner circle toward true conservatism or if conservatism-light will still prevail.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Been over 100 years since congress did this. Nothing about it was DC Like.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Have to explain everything to some people...Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Not referring to the election of the speaker, was talking about the TACTICS! Politics as usual. Will probably see this again when a bill, supported by McCarthy but not by the "20" comes up for a vote. Just watch. It's just old-fashioned DC politics. But, when employed by the right folks, it's okay. :D
Until the swamp is drained, you have the beat the swamp at its own game.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Word is the new rules for the House, which was part of the concessions McCarthy made to the "20," will not pass. The 212 Demwits will vote against it, of course, and apparently a few RINOs will join them, enough to kill it. I am not surprised. The Demwits stick together and vote for socialist policies in lock step. And as I have said, the GOP is a circus. And no, I did not have this information when I posted #65. It is just so obvious...painfully obvious.
The solution? Primary out the RINOs. That is the only recourse open to we conservatives. Yeah, RINOs are frustrating but still better than allowing Pelosi to have the gavel.
Oh, BTW, naturally I HOPE that information is wrong and enough Repubs will vote to pass the new House rules. It might be a sliver of hope, but there it is. To be clear, the "20" will all vote for the new rules, of course, but there are RINOs who stand to benefit from the current rules staying in place. They will vote their personal interests (monetary gain) over the good of the nation. The "20" used those tactics to get promises from McCarthy, and now others will use the same old politics to thwart it all.
Word is that RINOs were complaining to McCarthy all weekend about the rules package, and he is telling them to suck it up and vote for it anyway. If so and the package passes, then the strategy of the "20" was executed perfectly and the vote to allow McCarthy to become Speaker occurred at the perfect time.
Well, I hope he's not telling them to "suck it up". But I do hope it passes.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDawg
Now, on to investigating the "big guy", his druggie son and their traitorous activities that undermine the safety and security of the USA.
Rules package passes 220-213. Only one Republican "Nay" vote with one not voting. That was Gonzales as expected. Nancy Mace did not vote "nay" despite all of her hot air.
Looks like there was some "sucking it up" as compared to the hot air expelled over the weekend.
Hothead GOP Rep. Rogers decided not to step down from the Steering Committee after all. He shouldn't have been given that choice after nearly starting a brawl on the House floor Friday night.
Rep. Mike Rogers to stay on influential Steering Committee after mulling exit: Report | Washington Examiner
GOP Rep. Crenshaw loses in his bid to be chairman of the Homeland Security Committee. Helps to be able to recognize what a real terrorist is before being given power. Also helps not to expose fists that were evidently bloodied in frustration during the Speakership voting.
Mark Green beats Dan Crenshaw in race to chair Homeland Security Committee | Washington Examiner
Crenshaw loses key chairmanship to GOP Rep. Green after calling colleagues 'terrorists' | Just The News
Rogers is such a pretender...a lawyer...a politician...NOT a public servant.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDawg
I knew Crenshaw was playing the eye patch game the first time I saw him interviewed.
When he was a little boy Crenshaw wanted to grow up to be a pirate, errrrrr....
Glad the new rules package passed.
McCarthy removes Schiff, Salwell, and Omar from committees. This is one of the reasons I have been okay with him being Speaker. He's been saying, for at least 6 months prior to the mid-terms, what he would do when he was Speaker. Yeah, the "20" have probably made him an even better Speaker, but I knew he was going to be good just from seeing him on FOX. The "20" and other staunch conservatives railed against him and supported Jim Jordan as Speaker. Yet, McCarthy and Jordan appeared together on various FOX shows for months, a year even! sitting side by side and saying the same things.
Hammer 'em!
Turning to Louisiana...
WTH is Kyle Ardoin trying to do? Is he getting backdoor money from Dominion?
LACAG: Louisiana's SOS Kyle Ardoin Is for the Third Time Pushing Dominion Voting Machines for the State's Elections (thegatewaypundit.com)
Politics is about using power to reward your friends and hurt your enemies.Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDawg
Doubt any sense has been knocked into Marble Mouth from this.
Mitch McConnell Suffered Concussion in Fall at Former Trump Hotel, Will Remain Hospitalized for Observation and Treatment: Spokesman | The Gateway Pundit
Taking odds that the GOP folds like a cheap umbrella in a hurricane over the pending, June 1, default deadline. The Dems don't care if the US goes into credit default, that will just speed their buddies, the Chicoms, into becoming the #1 power in the world. There's no way, NO WAY, McCarthy can out-stare, don't blink, with the POS Dems because they simply don't care. Kind of like trying to negotiate with a suicide bomber by appealing to his (her) desire to live. They don't care.
McCarthy has laid out a reasonable proposal, but again, can't reason with a bunch of suicide jockeys.
McCarthy is trying but he's talking to a brick wall, and by that I mean, the democraps and lamestream media who are as dense as a brick wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
JMO but I think McCarthy needs to move off his no tax increase position and agree to some small, token increase on billionaires. That will remove one of the obstacles the Bidenites are leaning on right now. It can be a very small increase, but most people/voters will just hear "tax increase on the super wealthy" and go, "yeah, stick it to 'em!"
Any thoughts/comments on the McCarthy-Biden "compromise" budget deal?
Here's everyone's chance to shout out! Regardless of where you fall along the political spectrum this matter affects us all.
Seems like it is one of those deals where no one gets everything they want. Which means it probably isn’t all bad. Just my impression from a few articles.
Possibly stepping on the gas to the end times. Israel is the key, not the USA. Many more Israel haters in the world. Our idiots in the swamp are simply trying to position themselves financially. They haven’t a clue how little their wealth will mean.
This can't be so...if so, gimme a fricking break! Some GOP congresspersons are saying they will "recall" McCarthy if this budget proposal is passed? To what end? Stoooooooooooooopid!
There is NO WAY anything even remotely close to what they want is going to happen, not when the democraps have the Senate and the WH. Not going to happen, period. Haven't they heard, many libtards are unhappy with Biden and this budget proposal. That should tell them McCarthy must have gotten some concessions from Biden. Hello! The dems control 2/3 of the government*** and the GOP barely has a majority in the House. Do those bozos think they could have gotten more concessions from Biden? Doubtful. Just pass this damn thing, take the small victory, and plan to actually WIN a larger majority in the House, and take back the Senate and the WH. That is just two years away.
***in reality the dems control about 9/10 of the government, what with their hold on the various agencies and departments. But, as for the budget we can say 2/3.
Budget bill barely got out of committee, final vote was 7-6. All 4 dems and 2 repubs voted against it, 7 repubs passed it. Now when it goes to the House floor even with the GOP holding the majority there are not enough repub votes to pass it. Just heard that about 70 Yay votes from the dems will be required to pass it. A dem leader was asked about those 70 votes and could they deliver, that person shrugged. If it passes the House, then 60 yes votes are needed in the Senate.
Look...I understand the position of those opposed, like Senator Rand Paul who is appalled by it. This deal takes a scalpel to the budget when a frickin' machete is needed! I get it. But, again, the dems have 2/3 of the process. Take what we can and win in 2024.
BTW, isn't it curious how Kentucky has two (R) senators but who are at opposite ends of the budget spectrum (and other issues). Rand Paul is libertarian (mostly) and McConnell is a good ole Swamper.
Sen Josh Hawley, Missouri...
A few nights ago I dreamed I was in court being tried for, "Failing to come to a complete stop" at Stadium Blvd and Stadium Circle on the Louisiana Tech Campus. Even though I had Jackie Chiles representing me, my dream quickly deteriorated into a nightmare when Josh Hawley walked into the courtroom and was announced as the prosecuting attorney.
I woke up in a cold sweat with my heart racing, realizing it was only a nightmare, just before the jury read their decision of whether or not to sentence me to death.
Some 15 Repubs refused to vote in favor of censuring Shifty Adam Schiff for his confirmed lying to Congress and all the other crap he pulled against Trump, all since proven to be false. Between the card-carrying commies and the RINOs we true American patriots are in the minority and our side is steadily losing ground. I used to believe in the vast "silent majority," and that 2/3+ of Americans believed as I do. But now I think those numbers have flipped and we are maybe 1/3 of the populace. Some formerly good Americans have sold their souls in exchange for perceived security, some for convenience, and some have been turned to the dark side, lost forever.
I have been a strong advocate of using the ballot box instead of the ammo box, and I HOPE there is still hope that path remains open. Every election comes up and some of us say "this is the most important election in our lifetime" and that "America's future hangs in the balance." Well, again, the 2024 election, not only for POTUS but for control of Congress, is "the most important election..."
At this time I am registered as "No Party" but had planned to change that to "R" I had thought. But now, not so sure.
For the most part, republicans in Washington are useless. They’re all just playing the game and enriching themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
Congressmen Jordan, Comer, Gaetz, and some others, and Senators Kennedy, Grassley, and a few others are fighting the good fight; they are trying. And there are others who would jump on that bandwagon if/when it becomes politically expedient to do so. Many in DC, even those with a conservative-leaning, see which way the lobby-money wind is blowing and just go for the ride. There are those who might want to do the right thing but see how the DOJ is weaponized in favor of the commies, and they say "f--k it!" not worth having 600 armed FBI thugs, with F-16 air cover, kicking in my front door...Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
So, yeah, you are right...they are just playing the game.
Hooray! ultra RINO Mitt Romney retiring! Hopefully Utah will elect a conservative senator, but I'll settle for a more moderate one. By "moderate" I don't mean another RINO.
Moderate = RINO who claims to be a centrist. They are both liberal. People like McCain, Romney, and our own Senator Cassidy are the problem.
I can't remember who pointed it out, but they made the observation that the current elected Republicans are NOT RINOs. They are what a Republican IS. YOU (a normal person) are the RINO.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
For all practical purposes, it is illegal to hold normal views as a public official in America.
Most people either can’t see or simply won’t acknowledge that the left dove left, the right and middle have drifted left or dove left. The rest of us never moved.
So the big mouth Matt Gaetz is calling for a resolution to oust McCarthy as Speaker...then what? The Dems will line up behind one Dem, probably Jared Golden of Maine, a moderate who could get some Republican votes for Speaker. And then the Dems, with a minority, will again control the agenda in both houses. Great job there Gaetz! I hope Florida voters send this clown packing.
Gaetz is too chicken-shit to seek the Speakership himself because he knows he'll get slaughtered in the vote. So, instead he stands on the sidelines and cast stones at McCarthy.
I am officially registered as No Party. I was a registered a (D) when I first registered at 18, but have never, not ever! voted for a Dem in any statewide or national election. The Repubs couldn't organize a bar-b-que and Gaetz would keep dousing the fire in the grill with a garden hose, anyway. What a loser!
McCarthy and the rest of the Trump hating RINOs are the losers. They just keep giving in to the other side. They are as corrupt as the demoncrates.
Well, that’s one way to shut down the government
Patrick McHenry, appointed as temporary Speaker, has ordered Pelosi to vacate the Speaker's suite of offices. Pelosi, stalling, said she has to attend a funeral in California, for Feinstein, and will deal with it when she gets back. Well, McHenry could have all her stuff moved out into the hallway. Which begs the question as to why McCarthy didn't want to occupy the Speaker's office.
McCarthy? McHenry? guess McDonald's is next, we can have Ronald McDonald as Speaker since Congress has turned into a circus.
The Right has long since lost the narrative. The Left, all about politics and the nation be damned, has run roughshod over Conservatism. This is why McCarthy and others really have little choice but to seek compromise with the Dems, while the Dems have no concerns as they control the media and "the narrative." Anything remotely considered conservative, like a balanced budget, is demonized and about 51% of the voting populace agrees. That number will grow to 52% and then 53% and soon, maybe already, no conservative will ever win a national election again.
As has been said before, the GOP couldn't organize a bar-b-cue.
Fellow Rummel grad Steve Scalise has removed himself for consideration for Speaker. He is battling cancer so perhaps he didn't need the added stress of being Speaker anyway. Still, the GOP continues to be a laughingstock, which is why I identify as being CONSERVATIVE and not a member of the Republican Party. The Dems know how to play politics...in fact, that, and destroying America...is the only thing they excel at. The Dems march in lockstep, that's goosestepping like the NAZIs.
The goofy GOP...the "G" needs to stand for Goofy as in the Goofy Ole Party...will fool around and lose control of the House in the 2024 elections. Then assholes like Matt Gaetz and his small circle of disrupters can be happy with absolutely no power as the Dems, even with a small majority, will completely dominate the agenda and put the final nail in America's coffin.
There is some buzz about moderate Republicans joining with the Dems to vote to give Patrick McHenry more authority to get the House working again. McHenry is in tune with McCarthy so given such power, he might agree to get issues on the House floor, and I know the assholes like Gaetz won't like the nature of the bills. The Dems have the Senate and the WH so all it would take is a narrow margin in the House and Bam! new, stupid laws passed.
What is the point of appointing a temporary Speaker if he/she doesn't have the authority to conduct the House's business? McHenry did do one good thing, kicking Pelosi and her scumbag staff out of the Speaker's Suite of Offices. Kudos for that.
At this point it doesn't matter if Dems gain small majority in House in 24.. Republicans do not know how to lead or govern when they have the majority. They simply don't. They prefer to go along to get along and continue to get invited to cocktail parties and dinners in DC all the while increasing their personal wealth. Then when pressed by their constituents, they claim that they don't have any power and there is nothing they can do...Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80