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Never should have left the Big 12 in the first place. Now, it's a mere shell of its former self. Guess Neon thinks it'll be an easier conference to win. Yep!
The college football landscape is weird.
So the question is does the PAC-12 raid the AAC (SMU, Memphis, maybe Tulane) OR the MWC?
It depends on who else the Big 12 takes. The next to leave appears to be Arizona. Let’s say the Big 12 wins the “Pick 4” and they take Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah, they pick up as many as 6-8. Here are the first seven in no particular order: Tulane; SMU; Memphis; Boise; Fresno; Colorado State and San Diego State.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
The PAC 12 has a clueless commissioner in George Kliavkoff so who knows their response. Part of the problem the conference has, aside from not having good enough football programs, is their time zone. That might actually be there biggest issue. The west coast is lousy for sports broadcasting. Their games just start too late for the east coast and southern fans to watch. If they add four I would bite the bullet and take the three AAC teams and SD State. That way they are at least in the Central Time Zone.
Colorado leaving became evident last week during PAC 12 media days when Kliavkoff had nothing to offer about a new tv deal in his opening remarks. The Colorado AD immediately left the conference, went back to the airport, jumped on the plane and headed back to Boulder. I think the the PAC 12 deal will be worse than the ACC deal.
Interestingly enough Colorado’s exit fee is $0. Their tv deal runs out at the end of this academic year. Will be the same for the other three schools too if they do not sign the new tv deal. But poor San Diego State will pay double to the MWC if they leave now. If they would have honored their agreement to leave last month they would owe $17 million. Now they owe $34 million.
Whoever they take Stanford and Cal are not going to like their new conference mates academic profiles much. Which makes you wonder if the Big 10 comes in and scoops up some teams as well.
I think Arizona, Arizona State, Utah to Big 12 is a no brainerQuote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom
Big 12 comes out in a great position after losing their two biggest schools. Their media deal is decent and they still have some valuable schools.
PAC-12 has to move into a different time zone. MWC doesn’t help them here. AAC does. If they go central it will have to be major airports for travel so…
SMU, Memphis, Tulane, and one more from the Central Time Zone (Rice unfortunately may benefit here).
This empties the AAC and they backfill with four from Sun Belt/C-USA…so does Tulane leaving benefit Tech or ULL? 😳
Great question. Depends on what the AAC looks for in this phase of realignment. If it is size, ULL beats us hands down. Their tv market and student enrollment is close to 40% larger than ours. But neither school would be close to the top of their list if that is the only or main criteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
I also believe SD State gets into the PAC 12 way before Rice. The PAC 12 wants to stay in Southern California.
I'll just add to this. Earlier in this thread the MWC exit fee for schools to leave for 2024, when the Pac 12 TV deal begins, was mentioned by Bulldog Tom. It's $34 million. None of the MWC schools can afford it.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
The exit fee for an AAC school to leave in 2024 for the Pac 12 would be $10 million. SMU, Tulane and Memphis have deep pocketed alums who could fund that move.
So, Forgive me for asking the obvious question about all of this. If some of these ripple effects continue to happen across P5 conferences as speculated, and changes trickle down to the other conferences, is Tech in any type of position to take advantage of this and better their conference alignment position?
Probably not…Quote:
Originally Posted by FriscoDog
Best case scenario is somehow the AAC selects teams for a category (successful and facilities) that it didn’t before. (Least likely)
Worst case scenario is that we end up in some weird sunbelt/cusa merger. (More likely)
Our failure over the past decade is due to incompetence at the highest levels to build athletics, budgets, fundraising, and enrollment.
The good news is two fold…
1. Our geography helps. Especially if Tulane is gone. It creates an opening in Louisiana for the AAC. ULL might be bigger but they have a whole lot of baggage (huge debt service loads right now) and bodies in the swamp. Don’t know if the AAC wants the baggage or not.
2. And we are not UTEP or NMSU…likely left out of any conference…Four to the AAC? Four to Sunbelt? No more C-USA, No more moves to FBS, and ESPN reduces their conference contracts.
Both Reneau and Guice have been failures in all of the areas mentioned above. Reneau fired Paul Miller to hire an LSU HOFer.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
@JWMediaDC
The following schools have filed the paperwork asking to join the @pac12
@ColoradoStateU
@GoAztecs
@SMU
@UNLVathletics
@GreenWaveFB
@USFFootball
@TigersAthletics
@BroncoSportsFB
@FresnoStateFB
@TulsaFootball
@RiceFootball
there are more but I think you get the idea- Note to San Diego State wait to you get the invite to leave.
Yep. I could list a dozen ways that both of our Presidents have failed to "get it" when it comes to athletics and academics.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
Way too reactive instead of being proactive. Neither has ultimately pushed to build something bigger at Tech, both have just tried to maintain.
A lot of people have issues with Mayor Ronnie Walker, but I will give him this at least he is going to swing for the fences every time he can to build Ruston. He is always going to push for more. I can't see that with the leadership of Tech. Good enough has always been the motto. :rolleyes4:
Why aren't we on this list? We've done western conferences before.Quote:
Originally Posted by sportdawg
You think that would be worse than what we have now? Or than what we have now minus some other current CUSA members bailing out and us having to replace them (with more FCS teams)?Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
Yeah might as well wait this time, the cost is the same ($34 million). They made a $17 million mistake last month begging the MWC to take them back. At the time I kind of hoped the MWC would say no, but they played it brilliantly, now they get the full $34 million. I ultimately think the PAC 12 takes four schools to replace Colorado and probably Arizona; San Diego State should make that group.Quote:
Originally Posted by sportdawg
The answer would be no. I hope our AD is spending his time and our resources in a more productive manner. He should be feeling out other conference commissioners and AD’s. Explaining our strengths, such as they are. Hopefully Guise is aware of what is happening and he is talking to other Presidents, also selling Tech and Ruston best he can. Guide’s association with Tech is over 50 plus years, he has to be passionate when speaking about Tech. That must be shown to other Presidents in the conferences we hope to gain acceptance within.Quote:
Originally Posted by inudesu
Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
It really depends on how much chaos occurs.
In the end, the one thing I think happens is CUSA adding Belt schools, as CUSA will likely have some openings.
The SBC East schools want to jettison the Cajuns, ULM, Arkansas State and Texas State. The four SBC schools west of the Mississippi River.
If CUSA has a good year from a TV standpoint, the cash value of its TV deals with CBS/ESPN will exceed the cash value of the Belt's TV contract with ESPN starting in August, 2024 when the one-year look-in occurs on CUSA's deal.
It would be easy to line up the deals and move schools for 2025.
Well I lobbied USM’s president Thursday night for Tech to come to the Belt. He commented on Tech pissing Sunbelt members off in the past. I know the folks on here act like we had support from the ULMs and ULLs of the world but clearly our past PR snafus have affected our current position.
no. What I was saying is that I think the crumbs of FBS end up in regional conferences…Quote:
Originally Posted by inudesu
I think the remnants of the Sunbelt and CUSA swap like the historian mentioned.
we will be unfortunately ultimately back in a conference very similar to the old days….
our budget is closer to ULMs than UNTs. Like I said earlier in the thread. We have failed to capitalize on a very successful WAC and somewhat successful CUSA, so every single school not named Tech passed us by. Hell, UAB didn’t have football for 3 years and passed us by. So I want someone to please keep telling me that Guice “gets it”.
Great post. Not great news, but very informative. I miss these kind of posts with true, inside information. Those types of posts used to be more common. I think the a lot of us always felt that was the case regarding the SBC. Thanks for sharing and continue your lobbying.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEarmada
Where did you read about the eastern schools wanting to get rid of the western schools? It’s not a bad idea, but I have never heard or read where anyone said that. The western schools probably don’t want to leave for less money and join a much less prestigious conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
How good of a year do does CUSA need to double the money to make it equal to the SBC (I think their payout is double ours)? Also, if viewership is worse than expected can our payout be lowered?
It's an open secret.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom
ODU's president has been talking about it since the day they became a CUSA member - someday creating an eastern conference with James Madison as a member.
When it didn't happen in CUSA they then recruited Marshall to make the move to the Belt.
Southern Miss' beat writer for the Hattiesburg paper wrote about it in one form or another for a long time. The 2 leagues merging and then splitting by georgraphy. When USM, ODU, and Marshall left for the Belt the issue basically became dead for CUSA. It then became the Belt's issue.
Then, that idea seeped out into social media in the past 3 or 4 months with fanbases echoing what their administrations are saying in private.
They essentially have their eastern conference with the SBC. They are in a 7 team division with most of the schools they aspire to associate with like JMU, Marshall, and App State. There are no remaining C-USA schools in the east that they’d care to associate with.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
Here is some background:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom
The cash portions of the 2 deals are relatively close.
This came up recently for ULM's AD. He talked about it on the morning drive show in Ruston a few weeks ago. ULM's budget of $18.5 million is a full $10 million behind USM's $28.5 million budget, the next lowest in the Sun Belt.
When asked about the impact of the Belt's new TV deal on their budget he told a group of boosters that the cash portion was $1 million.
Another million is non-cash, like the value ESPN puts on access to the ESPN+ platform or the value they give to the conference for having championship games on ESPN, ESPN2, or ABC. Or the value given to any equipment ESPN might provide to maintain the quality standards they want to see on ESPN+. Some of the Belt schools include this value in their budgets.
It's similar to the apparel deals many of the Belt schools or CUSA schools have with Adidas. Most of it isn't in cash, it's almost all in apparel. But the full dollar value is included in everybody's budget.
What ULM's AD told his boosters is also what Dr. Wood said in his talks at the Tech tour stops over the summer regarding all these deals. He used the exact same numbers regarding CUSA and the Sun Belt.
CUSA's new deal with CBS/ESPN of $750,000 in cash per school, per year. There is a look-in at the end of the 2023-24 year that could increase the deal. CUSA's deal is just behind the cash portion of the MAC's deal with ESPN (some games subleased to CBS) at $833,000 per school, per year in cash and the Belt's deal with ESPN, which is $1,015,000 in cash per school, per year. The Belt's next look-in with ESPN is at the end of the 2026-27 school year.
The AAC's new deal with ESPN is for $6,940,000 in cash per school, per year. The 6 new additions to the league will take reduced amount of $4,627,000 per school, per year for 3 years. They will each receive a full share beginning with the 2026-27 academic year. It was believed in 2021 the AAC's deal would be cut with each of the 6 new additions taking less money permanently. But AAC commish Mike Aresco was able to convince ESPN to maintain the full deal, partially because there are outs for the AAC in the deal if it was cut by ESPN. He talked about this extensively in an interview several months ago on SiriusXM.
So....
AAC = $6,940,000 in cash (6 new schools get $4,627,000 per year for 3 years and get the full amount in 26-27)
Sun Belt = $1,015,000 in cash (next look-in with ESPN in 26-27)
MAC = $833,000 in cash (ESPN deal with some games sub-leased to CBS Sports Network)
CUSA = $750,000 in cash (CBS/ESPN deal with look-in at the end of the 2023-24 year)
You will see in my original post (#19) that I didn't say anything about a swap where some CUSA east schools would move to the Belt. I said that the schools in the SBC east want to jettison the 4 SBC schools west of the Mississippi River to CUSA.Quote:
Originally Posted by GEAUX UL
If realignment gets chaotic enough in the next few months and CUSA and the Mountain West were looking for members (and the MWC could easily be needing an eastern side), you will find that the SBC east schools will not only let those 4 schools leave for nothing (Cajuns, Warhawks, Red Wolves, and Bobcats), they'll even provide incentives!
Dr. Wood's comments about this at the Tech tour stops were all about the look-in increasing the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom
I don't think the deal would be cut unless the conference loses 4 or 5 schools in realignment.
The one thing I couldn't find - out of anybody - was the exact breakdown of CUSA's deal. I believe the vast majority of the cash is from CBS. So if things go well - and ESPN came up with some cash - that would push the deal up. If things have gone well enough to where ESPN provided some cash, then I suspect CBS would move their money up, as well.
Could it top the Belt's cash portion for a 3-year stretch? Possible.
Ah ok. I still don’t think that’s a likely scenario - at all. First of all, I don’t buy your premise that the eastern schools are looking to kick out the western schools. Second, even if they did, the other western schools would strongly oppose it. Third, the western schools would have zero interest in C-USA, and very little interest in the MW. The downsides of the MW outweigh the upsides.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
I know you might find this hard to believe, but at this point it would be very difficult for any G5 conference, even the AAC, to poach SBC teams. The SBC is expected to be the most stable G5 conference moving forward (ignoring the MAC.) It is filled with schools who want to be here, in a really good geographic footprint, and is firmly in the conversation for best G5 conference (which gives us access to the expanded CFP.)
It was a PR mistake for sure. But I think cooler heads would agree that LaTech adds value to the Sunbelt. AAC would do more for our academic reputation but I don't see much difference in the level of football competition. We could stay put. It's not like there's a huge difference (Liberty has a better overall athletic department than anybody in the Sunbelt or the AAC.)Quote:
Originally Posted by THEarmada
All of this and Rice is going to the PAC12 with their new AD, Tommy McLelland.
I think a lot has to happen for Rice to get into the PAC 12, but who knows. Tommy always seems to fall up. It’s funny, no way he would ever have led us to the AAC, yet he ends up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by faninmonroe
PAC 12 commissioner to present tv deal to presidents in the next 48 hours. We will quickly find out if a major realignment is in the works.
PAC 12 meeting tomorrow morning to lay out tv deal. Special board meeting at Arizona scheduled for tomorrow afternoon.
Thanks for the research. I knew we had the worse deal financially, but I thought we were at 50% of the SBC, but we are almost at 75% of their deal. Still not expecting a bump, but perhaps the viewership to get more money is so low, maybe we can get more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
And, Skip goes to Northwestern as special assistant to the head coach. Termed a temporary assignment and he will go back to being a minor league head coach after the college season.Quote:
Originally Posted by faninmonroe
A do nothing job. No one is more qualified than Skip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom
What we think know for sure is the proposed deal is streaming with Apple, there was no agreement of the PAC 12 schools to accept the offer, another meeting will take place soon for a vote, Arizona’s Board of Regents are holding a special meeting at 3:30 where they will immediately go into Executive Session (not public). It seems the proposal has escalators based on how many people subscribe to Apple for the package and that is what the Presidents needed time to digest and why no agreement was made today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom
What they didn’t announce publicly so far is the amount. Guesses are $20-22 million per school. Also, no mention of length of Apple’s offer. Can’t say I would be excited if I was an Arizona, Arizona State or Utah fan. They could probably leave this week for more money, way better exposure, a better football conference and arguably the best basketball conference.
It’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out as more information becomes available.
The Arizona fan base seems less than ecstatic about an Apple TV deal or a Prime Video TV deal. My guess is it's not the best. Arizona, Arizona St, and Utah might be better off moving to the Big-12 and going for exposure to more Central Fan Bases (and more TV eyeballs) vs playing late nights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom
BYU, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Texas Tech, and two others creates a nice little east division.
I’m just hopeful that we end up in a regional conference with peer schools that we can develop rivalries with. With the current TV deals, NIL, transfer portal, an insurmountable two tier system is almost inevitable.
Arizona, ASU, and Utah headed for Big12. Teams talking to Big10. Close to 3 mega conference and then the rest of us.
Where do the ACC teams end up?
We are in an athletic rut with our AD, President, and CUSA token.
Is the Big East still a conference? Maybe they join together?
But after a quick glance, none of the Big East teams have football.
AAC was splintered from Big East. Basketball schools kept the name.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Nicole Auerbach
@NicoleAuerbach
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BREAKING: Oregon and Washington's exit from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten appears to have lost momentum overnight, multiple sources tell
Pete Thamel
@PeteThamel
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Sources: With the Pac-12 president meeting at the top of the hour, there's optimism about the league’s grant of rights being signed. The key linchpin is Oregon. Heading into the meeting, the school is trending toward not going to the Big Ten.
Pete Thamel
@PeteThamel
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Oregon are expected to stay in the Pac-12, barring an eleventh hour change. That could have the power to keep the league together, as Arizona has not finalized its deal with the Big 12.
Very fluid situation. Arizona looks close to joining the Big 12. Oregon has supposedly turned down the Big 10 because of a low ball offer. Now the question is does Arizona take care of itself or try to save the PAC 12 in its current state?Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Not sure if much happens with the ACC. FSU would like to leave for the SEC or Big 10. Not sure if they would get a better deal than Oregon who turned down the Big 10 today. Not sure what real interest the SEC has in FSU. Also, not sure if the other ACC teams are interested in giving FSU and/or Clemson a bigger share of revenues. The ACC is in a horrible situation with their tv deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Agree we are in a tough spot. Couple our small tv market, tiny enrollment and rural location with poor leadership and poor on the field and court performance and we are in a troubled spot.
Pete Thamel
@PeteThamel
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Sources indicating to me and
@CFBHeather
that the Pac-12 is unlikely to land the plane this morning and get its media rights deal signed on this call today. Multiple variables at play here, including 11th hour Big Ten push for Oregon and Washington. Everything remains fluid.
ESPN
@espn
Breaking: The Big Ten is expected to move ahead with formal offer letters for Oregon and Washington, sources tell
@PeteThamel
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Sources said a vote by the conference later today is expected to be unanimous.
Joseph Hoyt
@JoeJHoyt
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A reminder amidst realignment: the expanded CFP is for the six best conference champions. If the Pac-12 dies, then that could mean the AAC champion and the MWC champion (or another G5 combo) could get auto bids next year..
_ @LaTechSportsReport also posted a similar message
Amanda Christovich
@achristovichh
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Source confirms to
@FOS
that Washington and Oregon are expected to be headed to the Big Ten. Fox will be funding somewhere between $35-40M for each school to join the conference.
So weird.
Change happens, and a lot more than just this is changing in college football. But the meaning of "conference" just isn't the same anymore. It's more like the way the NFL uses it for the NFC and AFC. I've never been crazy about this trend, but the money is just getting too big (and maybe the pods or divisions within these new huge conferences will function like the conferences of old - like I think the SB-E and SB-W will be fine to just be two little mini-conferences that happen to negotiate media deals together and play a championship game).
I wish it was a different set of teams, but this year's 9-team CUSA is maybe the last vestige of round-robin "conference" play we'll see for a while. So at least we have that going for us (although with a CCG, the round-robin schedule is cheapened a little bit).
Anyone else hoping this stuff all backfires and the SEC/Big10 end up worse off than they'd otherwise have been? I think that's unlikely but I'm certainly not rooting for it to work the way they want.
We all know that poor leadership from the administrations over the past 20 years has caused great damage to the Tech brand! Someone earlier mentioned that we have been too reactive than proactive! For those of you old enough to remember President FJ Taylor, he was very proactive in athletics and facilities! In just the early 80’s alone he built the TAC and intramural complex and the natatorium! I always thought he had a great vision for La Tech! I believe if we had hired another president that had his similar vision we would be playing in a much better conference and our reputation would be much more attractive nationally!!
Definitely feel like a bystander in all this stuff. Would be much happier if we had mad it to the AAC. Was there ever an opportunity for us to be in the position of UH, UCF, Cincy that now are looking pretty in a big 12 that likely will outlast the PAC-12?
One thing someone mentioned is that ESPN has now lost most of its presence on the west coast with UCLA, USC, Oregon, and UW heading to FOX contracts in the big 10.
I agree, with his tenacity, we would be be more like Boise, Cincy, UCF, or similar instead of more like Sam Houston State or SFA.
You beat me to to the same thought
Pete Thamel
@PeteThamel
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Sources: Both Utah and Arizona State have applied for formal membership to the Big 12 Conference, and there’s a call tonight with the Big 12's presidents and chancellors to discuss their membership. Arizona applied and was approved yesterday.
If you're Stanford, do you go Independent in football and join WCC for Olympic Sports?
Couldn't agree more. FJ understood the importance of athletics to the university. Reneau and Guice, not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by DD Dawg
My apathy has reached new heights. I sincerely hope we have an amazing FB season with a cupcake schedule, or it's the nail in the coffin. Our bowl streak was impressive, but it's no more, and women's bowling ain't gonna get us the brass ring. Hoping Brooke and Hester can at least make some semblance of noise in the conference or Liberty will take every spot we have longed for.
Shame entitled fans basically led to the demise of our football program. I hope Cumbie turns it around but I saw nothing that showed that last year and I doubt I'll see it this year as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by tigtoo30
Only answer at this point is empty stadiums and empty coffers. Absent that, sufficient change isn’t possible.
So the PAC-12 is now Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, and Washington State?
Eek.
Merge with the MWC or try to get into a central time zone?
Thanks for your input Skip.Quote:
Originally Posted by thewyldman
Personally, I think the teams that left for the Big12 and Big10 just wanted to play a few games a year in which the tv audience was measurable. Central time zone kickoff at 7 is seen by whole country. By 7 on west coast many families, including mine, are winding down.
Hard to believe that a franchise like Stanford will be left holding the bag.
Cal should just drop their football program
That makes me feel somewhat better. Sure, we made intentionally made things worse for ourselves in every possible way, but if a bazillion dollars couldn't save them...Quote:
Originally Posted by THEarmada
A bazillion dollars and a pretty solid football, baseball, and WBB tradition. They have it all. Good programs, more money than is reasonable, great market, and great education. If all those factors don’t matter, then what does?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
Unfortunately in todays crazy football powerhouse driven machine the bigs are going bigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
I wish the P4 (Big10, ACC, SEC, Big12) would break away and just form a super league independent of the NCAA and the rest of us would just realign according to geography. It’s not worth it anymore.
I have been hopeful for a long time that a complete separation would happen. If they want to “play down” for an easy win, they have to schedule it as a 13th game. Otherwise, all games are against other super conference teams. This should go for all sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
Don’t the recent moves kindof fly in the face of the arguments for why we couldn’t get into the old CUSA or the modern AAC? Just freakin win and everything else follows, market be damned? If we were a winner, knocking off Texas, OU, Miss St, and K State even occasionally, would our market matter at all? Seems to me, a lot of schools who just freakin win are in big conferences in spite of their market.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
Edit: we do have the original subject of the thread as well as ASU and Arizona as examples of market still playing a part because they haven’t won anything in a long time. So market does still matter obviously.
The PAC 8, PAC 10, PAC 12 is down to the PAC 4. This is nutso. The portal ruined CFB and now all this conference jumping has put a final bullet in it, put college football out of its misery.
Just watched a recap of the 1970 season all broadcast on ABC. Bill Fleming did the pre-game and was sideline reporter for ABC. Broadcasters like Chris Schenkel handled the play-by-play and former Oklahoma coach Bud Wilkinson the color. When compared to today it was so "traditional." I became a CFB fan in that era and miss it.
Doubtful I’ll watch any college football this year. Watched maybe 4-5 games last year in their entirety, and that was because I was at someone’s house and it was on. The days of Tech having even a glimmer of hope of being anything other than being a bottom feeder in CUSA are over, so there’s no point in me watching the money grab that is college football anymore.
I noticed years ago that we have too many Tech grads who are not Tech fans. They say "we" when referring to anything lsu. Our leadership began kicking our true fans to the curb back when the dumb asses hired McClelland. It really goes even farther back than that. That would be when our president fired the best AD we have had only to hire the worst AD we ever had.Quote:
Originally Posted by SicemDawgz
On SiriusXM's College Sports Sunday this morning Dennis Dodd of CBS Sports said that he expects changes to the CFP deal when it comes up in 2026.
He said he expects, when all the conference changes that have come and will come, the top 6 conference champions clause is going to go away.
Rather than the top 6 FBS champions plus 6 at-large the deal will be the top 12 schools as determined by the Committee, no automatic champion's slots.
No automatic access for the G5 or what will become of the Pac 12. And if Florida State and Clemson are able to make their way out of the ACC by 2026, the ACC champion may be on the outside looking in, as well.
If you are one of the big guys, this is great. If you are one of about 110 other schools, this sucks.
Might as well make it NFL lite. It already is.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
I think the Big 3 (Big 12, SEC, BIG10) settle on 20 (10 each division plus two teams from the division every year). A 12 team playoff between the three.
The ACC is consumed by the SEC/Big12/Big10 (Clemson, Florida State, Miami), ND after 2026 May need the Big10.
The coattails riders of the ACC are probably on the outside looking in.
The rest of the football world can maybe settle back down and reform.
I honestly wish they would consider a pro/rel format that would help the big conferences shed lesser teams for better competition. It would also give lower conferences something to aspire to!
Not very "woke" and very capitalist of the big 3 to leave out the left coast and ACC schools.
Expect to hear more of the above BS from the remnants of the P5.
Cal and Stanford rumors that they are heading to the ACC... is this because the ACC is afraid they are fixing to lose two teams and a move to buffer, or trying to grow and keep pace. Cal and Stanford are just desperate.
If I'm Stanford, I'm going Independent in Football and WCC in everything else.
If they want to stay with Cal, then MWC is the way to go.
The All Coast Conference is awful for Olympic Sports.
After seeing that Apple TV deal and the lack of ANY major broadcaster willing to even pick up the PAC-12, it's no wonder they are dead. Leave it to the PAC-12 to make Judy look decent in comparison.
The ACC will lose at least two (Clemson and Florida State - those two are just the ones trying to figure out how to get around the grant/suing)...maybe more. The SEC is already exploring with ESPN adding TWO more schools and keeping the present valuations, so you know it is coming. Big Ten desperately wants ND, and maybe the way they do that is to cut off all their scheduling partners???
The States (Washington and Oregon) trying to figure out how to run a program on much less revenue than they are used to is priceless. Begging the MWC to pick them up?
Cal and Stanford are on an island. The ACC adding Cal and Stanford would be insanity in travel. Coast to coast to coast? And I'm not sure Cal and Stanford bring you anything more once you lose Clemson and Florida State...Relevancy in football will not be guaranteed.
With our history I am not given to much sympathy when it comes to realignment. It sucks for them that they had a place at the big boy table subsidized for a long time and now that's gone, but at least they had those years and years of getting money thanks to USC and Oregon.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
If you're them you have to just suck it up and join the MWC and then take advantage of your head start! Stay at the top.
ACC Reportedly Considering Texas School For Conference Expansion (msn.com) - SMU.
You'd think they'd need another in Texas - Rice (just for the market).
SMU is only 1100 miles from the Atlantic. Makes perfect sense. I know it’s not about that at all, but it’s silly
Vanderbilt got it made. Suck at football but get to be in a power conference.
SMU is a much better choice than Rice. No baseball for SMU, but still get to holler in the DFW market.
Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Miss State, Missou are the reasons why you might be able to convince the power conferences to adopt a pro/rel format in football. (i.e. no more leeches + add better teams)Quote:
Originally Posted by qng001
Moving to ACC is a bad move for SMU, but good move for the ACC.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCSDAWG
That's an EXCELLENT graphic!
If you are the PAC4, what do you do? Rebuild or move on? Where do Pac-12's remaining 4 end up after latest conference realignment shakeup? (yahoo.com)
They have a 2 year window to get to 8 teams, so hypothetically, they can get some MWC schools without the $34 million exit fee. The AAC exit fees are lower.
If you're Stanford/Cal, what would you do?
If you're MWC or AAC team, what would you do?
Maybe invite SMU, Rice, Tulane, and the best program you can get out of the MWC.
Looks like the SEC wannabes from the ACC will block any attempt to expand the ACC until they get to leave.
It’s a good strategy.
This also means the PAC4 have to rebuild.
MWC? AAC?
The PAC is now comprised of two very different pair of schools. The academically prestigious, urban Stanford/Cal and the less academically prestigious, small town OSU/WSU. The latter have no power to move to another power conference. They need to stay in the PAC and will never leave; they can't lose the PAC name branding and finances. Stanford/Cal are in desperation mode; they are desperate to be with their academic and athletic peers. However without any power conference's taking the urban pair, the remaining 4 schools are going to have to work together to recreate the PAC and they are going to have to compromise between academics and athletics. I don't know how they'll compromise but they will have to make moves because their situation isn't tenable.
The MWC and AAC have some good options that could be acceptable to both like Hawaii, Colorado State, AFA and SMU.
Other options though would have some either academic or athletic problems with Boise State and Rice being polar opposites. Boise has the brand and athletics that would be an ideal option for OSU/WSU but Stanford and Cal would detest the thought of being a peer with those academics. On the opposite side you have Rice. An academic peer of Stanford, they are an AAU member, located in a huge urban environment, have a long FBS history and easy to travel to. However their athletics and fanbase are poor to say the least.
It'll be interesting to see how they move forward if Cal/Stanford can't find an exit.
Will be very interesting to see how this thing shakes out.
I hear a lot of talking heads say how sad they are about the PAC implosion and how they feel sorry for the remaining members, the history, blah, blah.
Don't invite me to that pity party. The PAC has been over rated with only a few spurts of greatness over he past 50 years. Compared to the other P5 conferences they have always been at the bottom.