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Not arguing men vs women. Do you consider them to be an apples to apples comparison? Her percentage is better. His buckets made is higher. Her point total is higher. Have had a few discussions with others who think CC being better is a hill to die on. I think the lack of a 3pt line and not playing as a freshman is enough to say you really can’t compare the 2.
Pete also played during segregation and was shooting most of his shots at a high percentage rate with very little defense being played. Caitlyn is usually double or triple teamed often firing off threes from the cheap seats.
It’s always apples and oranges.
Both are incredible pure shooters.
Pete did NOT play during segregation. He played during the college heydays of Alcindor, Hayes, Carr, Haywood, Murphy, Lanier, Gilmore, et al. He played on next to lousy LSU teams in an era when slow play and hard zone was the norm.
Not a fan of Pete or LSU, but if you were comparing apples Caitlyn's box has worms!
It was really Pistol Pete that spurred my interest in college basketball. No, was not an LSU fan, more a Pistol fan. And that LSU team had some colorful names, other players were "Apple" Sanders and "Fig" Newton, also nicknames. They lost to Al McGuire's Marquette team in the NIT, second round I think it was. Back then the NIT was a salty tournament with some terrific teams in it.
When Pistol joined the New Orleans Jazz, I became a huge fan of his. Mentioned on the other thread he would come to the Y and play pick-up games with us. He also found Christ before his untimely death.
Why does there need to be comparisons? Pistol was special, and Caitlyn Clark is really good in her right. Different time, different game, and both of them excelled.
Exactly my thoughts. Why can’t both of them be generational players who should be celebrated? Why can’t both of them be good in their own right? I hate comparison of players in any sport from different eras.
I think the comparing from different eras applies to MLB as well. Not to take anything away from today's top-of-the-line hitters but they are facing dozens of pitchers who would be in the minor leagues if there were still only 16 teams as up to the start of expansion. Conversely, todays pitchers are facing dozens of hitters who would still be in the minors - so perhaps it all balances out.
When I look at players I look at a couple of areas and if the numbers are close then I allow myself to compare them, i.e. # of at bats, # of games played, point per game etc.. I know there are lots of other factors but I feel if you get 1000 at bats against the best of whatever your era offers and you hit .380 then it is somewhat comparable.
You do have players once in a while that break all norms. Like Nolan Ryan striking out more batters after 40 years old, than most pitchers now days get in a career.
Clark has already played 133 games with a handful more to go. 3771 points so far. She will add to this. She has played against the best the women's game currently has to offer.
Pete in 83 varsity games scored 3,667 before the three point line. Now if he had been able to add his freshman stats in we would have been at 102 games and 4,408 points.
Now while Pete did play during the college heydays of Alcindor, Hayes, Carr, Haywood, Murphy, Lanier, Gilmore, et al. He didn't play against that level of talent often. The best teams in the SEC were still segregated when he finished playing. He never played in the NCAA's to see that stronger talent either. Not his fault LSU was Lousy when he got there.
It's not apples to apples and they are both generational players for sure, but I don't think her record is quite as impressive as his. That's just my .02 and that's all its worth.
No comparison -Quote:
Originally Posted by techman05
Clark doesn't even hold the women's all time scoring record if you include AIAW stats (which we claim a National Title in as one of our NCs)
Pistol was a phenom and years a head of his time - freshman were ineligible, not 3 pt shot, no shot clock - era of the 4 corners where some games ended up 35-28 and I think he played in exactly one post season tournament (NIT) in his career
Pete stands on a hill all alone
Caitlin Clark passes Lynette Woodard’s AIAW large school scoring record - The AthleticQuote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
That's large school -Quote:
Originally Posted by sportdawg
There is the total AIAW scoring record still out there...
Like I said, I said she still hasn't even broken that - I think her last name was Moore and it was close to 3,900 pts - to lazy to google it
Iowa would need to reach the championship and Clark average 48.3. If you discard the JUCO points, Clark would need to continue her season average for 4 games.Quote:
Caitlin Clark breaks scoring record: Here's a list of women’s college basketball all-time scorers (livenowfox.com)
- Francis Marion’s Pearl Moore has the overall record with 4,061 points from 1975-79 at the small-college level in the AIAW, a non-Division I school. Moore had 177 of her points at Anderson Junior College before enrolling at Francis Marion, the Associated Press reported.
Saw an ESPN executive saying they expect the women's tournament to match the men's in TV viewership and in some cases, like when Iowa plays, South Carolina plays, and pigtails makes an ass out of herself again, that the ratings will exceed the men's tournament. I don't know about that except in those very specific incidents, Iowa playing and some others. But, I do think the ratings will be up vs. other WBB tournaments from the past.
Well...look at this thread and the other one, who is being discussed...a woman player from Iowa!
To be fair, she is being discussed…..but vs arguably the best pure shooter and ball handler the game has ever seen. Not being compared to other women. Also to be fare to those last comments, I did tune in when Iowa played in the tourney last year
Comparing D1 stats to small school stats doesn't make any more sense than comparing women's basketball stats to men's basketball stats. Playing in an inferior league makes it, by definition, apples to oranges. Caitlin now has the major women's record. Pete has the men's record. Talking about an "overall record" is absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
Totally agree with what you have said. To compare Men Basketbal players to Women Basketball players is ridiculous. It is like comparing apples to oranges. Compare them separately. As said previously compare the Best Womens scorer and Best Mens scorer separately.Quote:
Originally Posted by TechDawgMc
You just made my point...Quote:
Originally Posted by TechDawgMc
Whatever the comparison, it's just great to see LSU fans super mad about what they think is a slight to Maravich and LSU.
Pistol...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SayMvB86OPs
Had to pay attention every second when you played with him, which I had the privilege to do at the Y. He would send a pass your way without warning. Saw many a fellow catch one in the side of the face because they took their eyes off of him.
Yeah, he showboated but only because he could.
Yes, I watched the entire Iowa game last night, start to finish, which is the first, and probably last WBB game not involving the Techsters, I will watch going forward. Oh, yes, I will channel surf and pause during some WBB telecasts, especially if it involves my favorite coach, pigtails! I tune in just to see what silly outfit she and her lesbian lover are wearing :rolleyes4: and to root for the other team, no matter who it is.
Anyway, back to Iowa and Caitlyn Clark...
their point guard, Wells, is out injured and whoa! did Clark and her team ever struggle last night vs. West Virginia. They did prevail, but the lack of a PG really showed. Clark is no point guard, and neither are the other three guards they started and played most of the minutes. Iowa starts 4 guards and one forward. Without their true PG, they struggled to get into their halfcourt offense. This shows you just how frickin' critical a point guard is! They had numerous turnovers, passes out of synch with the movement of players, a real mess.
As for Clark, she is really good. Has a great shot, perfect rotation on the ball, she squares up before she shoots. You could video her shooting techniques to use to teach young players how to properly shoot a basketball. She also sees the court really well, but as I said, she is no point guard. She does make some nice passes as part of the Iowa scheme. Last night she and Martin alternated running the point and did the best they could. Iowa won't reach the Final Four without their starting PG, Colorado will beat them this week. Wells is expected back though.
And to include a sexist remark, Iowa's Gabbie Marshall, one of the guards, is a real cutie!
No clue why I remember this........ Apparently Pete (while playing for the Jazz) had an exhibition game in Shreveport (my guess was sometime in 75-77). I went to Fair Park High School in Shreveport and it was right across the street from the Fairgrounds (Hirsch Coliseum) where the game would be held. He had been working out in the Fair Park gym and was leaving with his entourage. The opponents that day were (I think) the 76ers. Whoever they were, they were showing up at the Fair Park gym when he was leaving and they were giving him all kinds of hell. Calling him "hotdog", "Primadonna", etc. He never acknowledged them as he was walking away and the guys were just rolling in laughter. To say they weren't very fond of him was an understatement.
Okay, I watched Caitlyn Clark play again. She had to run the point because their regular PG is still not ready to go, recovering from an injury. Iowa practiced with Clark running the point and they were prepared and it showed. Clark had 15 assists, two turnovers, but both of those came in the 2nd half with Iowa comfortably in front and Clark trying to get fancy and squeeze a pass through traffic. The Iowa team has a collective HIGH IQ in hoops and they are fun to watch.
Clark is very much the female version of Pistol Pete. If I were starting a women's team and had the #1 draft choice, I would take Clark. She is that good.
Now, they get pigtails and her merry band of thugettes on Monday. Go Hawkeyes!