Rattay mentioned by Houston Sports media.

Whenever I am in the truck driving, I listen to the Houston sports radio station. Of the countless hours spent talking about David Carr and who to replace him with, I finally heard Tim's name get mentioned by the radio guy this morning. I typically have short drives so I do not know if he has been mentioned in the past much around here, but at least he is on somebody's mind in the local media as a possibility.

There are so many Texan fans and UT people bitter about passing on Vince Young that much of the QB discussion ends up harping on that. Many still want Houston to draft a QB in the early rounds of 2007, and now there are quite a few who are trying to sell Kevin Kolb out of Univ. of Houston as that needed QB. But there are some who would be excited about a free agent coming in. This morning the radio guy mentioned Damon Huard and Tim Rattay. A little later on he mentioned Rattay again as a good option to come into Houston and get a shot.

I would love to see it happen, but it is only talk now as far a I'm aware. It would be nice to hear if there is real interest by the Texans in Tim or vice versa.

i heard it too. it was on sports 610 AM around 7:30 or so. i listen to that same station, as well as 790 AM, most all day as i am driving around town all day. that was the first time i heard tim'sname mentioned. but, it makes perfect sense. david carr has got to go. rattay would br a great fit & probably get more than a few texans fans excited again.

i know we all want rattay to get a shot at starting somewhere, but it looks like that might not happen...he is getting older. jamie martin is already old. i would love the next best option to be back up to brees in new orleans.

The Saints would be a good place for Tim. Payton runs a good offense for him...just keep him away from the Titans mascot.

The Saints could certainly use Tim. I would love to see him start somewhere instead though. After seeing Jamie Martin play for the Saints I would have to say we are in trouble if Brees ever gets hurt.

Brees is no better than Rattay, Brees got a chance to play and Rattay has not.

I would love for Rattay to come to Houston. I would be the first person to buy a Texans #13 jersey. Huard, Rattay, and Plummer are the free agents available. I don't want to see Plummer in Houston. I would be happy with both Huard or Rattay. Obviously, I would prefer Rattay.

I bought a TB jacket when Tim got traded so I'm a big fan...but, Tim either got on the wrong side of the TB coaches or doesn't practice well. He needs to go somewhere that he fits as the #1 backup behind a shakey starter (umhum Chicago Bears, Umhrrmmph) or somewhere that has a decent offense in place and needs cool hand Tim under center to bring it all together as in....???? Broncos, nah...Rams, maybe, Texans..uhhh, any suggestions....I'm open to anything, if I'm a GM I build my offense around Tim and Willie R. Go Doolys Dawgs

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Originally Posted by Beaz17

I would love for Rattay to come to Houston. I would be the first person to buy a Texans #13 jersey. Huard, Rattay, and Plummer are the free agents available. I don't want to see Plummer in Houston. I would be happy with both Huard or Rattay. Obviously, I would prefer Rattay.

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Yes! The thought of Plummer nausiates me. And knowing Kubiak has a Denver history with Jake has me worried. Carr is just a younger version of Plummer, only slightly less successful. That is a poor use of the word "successful". Jake's had his moments, but he is way too reckless.

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Originally Posted by suckupdog

Brees is no better than Rattay, Brees got a chance to play and Rattay has not.

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Regardless of who is better - somehow I can't see them signing Rattay to replace Brees. I am certainly a Tech homer- but that really boggles the mind if you think that could happen.

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Originally Posted by Cal&Ken

The Saints could certainly use Tim. I would love to see him start somewhere instead though. After seeing Jamie Martin play for the Saints I would have to say we are in trouble if Brees ever gets hurt.

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I wonder if Coach Carmichael would like Tim with him in NO. If anyone knows Tim's abilities it would have to be Carmichael. Maybe he can convince the staff to go after him. Of course it hasn't happened in the past, but I don't know if the need was there where Pete was coaching. Is it really there now in NO.

I think Tim has a harder time winning out in NO since Brees has been so successful already this year. He has earned an extremely long leash. In Houston, the QB job should be wide open for anybody to take.

I am a Rattay fan myself, but you people are insane if you think Rattay could do a better job than Brees. Rattay should be a starter but not in New Orleans.

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Originally Posted by TKEdawgluver

I am a Rattay fan myself, but you people are insane if you think Rattay could do a better job than Brees. Rattay should be a starter but not in New Orleans.

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I'm afraid I agree 100%. Brees is DA BOMB in the Big Easy. Now if Tim just has to play 2nd fiddle somewhere than I hope it's for the Saints as their backup hasn't looked good at all. I love Tim but not over Brees this year.

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Originally Posted by TKEdawgluver

I am a Rattay fan myself, but you people are insane if you think Rattay could do a better job than Brees. Rattay should be a starter but not in New Orleans.

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Please do not say "you people" when speaking of suckupdog! He is not one of us - he is a flamer. As you can see all of the other posts agree that Brees should be the starter in NO.

Suckup never said that the Saints should get Tim and get rid of DB. He may be disagreeable, but he's no flamer.

Brees is no better than Rattay, Brees got a chance to play and Rattay has not.

What he said.

Actually, we don't know for sure, but I've had several conversations this year with Tech/Saints fans who have said that they are similar in many ways. Until Tim gets behind a decent OLine we will never know for sure.

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Originally Posted by maddawg

Suckup never said that the Saints should get Tim and get rid of DB. He may be disagreeable, but he's no flamer.

Brees is no better than Rattay, Brees got a chance to play and Rattay has not.

What he said.

Actually, we don't know for sure, but I've had several conversations this year with Tech/Saints fans who have said that they are similar in many ways. Until Tim gets behind a decent OLine we will never know for sure.

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Guys, it is time to get honest with ourselves. Brees got his shot because he obviously has shown something that Tim never did. It obviously has nothing to do with the tale of the tape because both are about the same size. I would guess that Brees has a little stronger arm with accuracy being comparable. I dont know what the big difference is, but there has to be one for Tim to hardly play during his NFL tenure, and Brees to be a starter in the League after only sitting on the bench for two seasons. Let's not get carried away with maybes and the ifs. I think Tim would be a solid starter in the League, and with a good team, he could be good. I dont think he will ever be a Brees, though.

That's just it, you THINK, but you don't know. To say that DB is a better QB is no more accurate than saying Tim COULD be as good. We simply don't know. Fate has moved in DB's favor and not in Tim's. I just hope that we get to see how much potential Tim has at some point.

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Originally Posted by maddawg

That's just it, you THINK, but you don't know. To say that DB is a better QB is no more accurate than saying Tim COULD be as good. We simply don't know. Fate has moved in DB's favor and not in Tim's. I just hope that we get to see how much potential Tim has at some point.

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You sure are in a mood today. You must have gotten pulled over while taking your kids to school.

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Originally Posted by Dirtydawg

You sure are in a mood today. You must have gotten pulled over while taking your kids to school.

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If I did, I would tell Mr. Dudley Do Right Dirtydawg. 56 in a 55 and you favor two years in Angola.

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Originally Posted by maddawg

That's just it, you THINK, but you don't know. To say that DB is a better QB is no more accurate than saying Tim COULD be as good. We simply don't know. Fate has moved in DB's favor and not in Tim's. I just hope that we get to see how much potential Tim has at some point.

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Not only do I think, but it looks like coaches/GMs from a few different teams think it also. Tim could be as good as Brees, but you have to prove it for it to be known. If Tim never gets to prove it (his fault or not), I have to assume that he isn't.

What coaches and GMs from a few different teams? Gruden? He's an idiot who cost his team a playoff spot by sticking with a rookie who ANYBODY could tell was not getting the job done.

Give Shottenhiemer (sp?) much of the credit for DB's success. Just a few years ago, DB was being called a HUGE bust. DB being picked up by the Saint's was a stroke of luck. Nobody was overly excited about him other than the fact that he would be much better than what they had. He turned out to have what should have been an MVP year. Nobody expected that. Also, nobody expect the Saint's Oline to be as good as they were. Things just worked out for him and NOTHING has gone Tim's way so far.

dhussdawg may be in a bad mood, too, but both contributors are speculating. People who followed Tech closely mostly will believe he would have done as well as Brees if he had been grabbed by the Saints rather than Brees. I imagine ALL Tech fans would love to see Tim starting for a really good team. We don't a vote on draft day or trade day!

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Originally Posted by maddawg

What coaches and GMs from a few different teams? Gruden? He's an idiot who cost his team a playoff spot by sticking with a rookie who ANYBODY could tell was not getting the job done.

Give Shottenhiemer (sp?) much of the credit for DB's success. Just a few years ago, DB was being called a HUGE bust. DB being picked up by the Saint's was a stroke of luck. Nobody was overly excited about him other than the fact that he would be much better than what they had. He turned out to have what should have been an MVP year. Nobody expected that. Also, nobody expect the Saint's Oline to be as good as they were. Things just worked out for him and NOTHING has gone Tim's way so far.

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Drew saved himself in San Diego. The Chargers drafted a QB in the 1st round (Eli then the trade for Rivers). Brees stepped up his game and performed better than expected after that pick. It may be argued Brees kept Rivers on the bench. More and more 1st round QBs are ending up starting in their first season. Injury and surgery may be how the Saints lucked upon Drew Brees. The Saints were taking a HUGE chance with Brees before the season started. Looks like it payed off.

As for Tim in SF, the coaching change may have hurt him more than anything. The 49er's make a QB their #1 pick and pretty much immediately give him the starting job. Tim rightfully gets it back for part of the season but Nolan didn't wan't Tim in the first place. That team was just bad too. I do wonder how Tim would have done in SF this past season with the running game Frank Gore gave Alex Smith. Having a solid running game in the NFL does wonders for the passing game. I will not say Alex Smith was terrible, but I think Tim could have made them a better team. Same with the Bucs this year except this season the Bucs running game was horrible. Tim made that team better though.

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Originally Posted by maddawg

What coaches and GMs from a few different teams? Gruden? He's an idiot who cost his team a playoff spot by sticking with a rookie who ANYBODY could tell was not getting the job done.

Give Shottenhiemer (sp?) much of the credit for DB's success. Just a few years ago, DB was being called a HUGE bust. DB being picked up by the Saint's was a stroke of luck. Nobody was overly excited about him other than the fact that he would be much better than what they had. He turned out to have what should have been an MVP year. Nobody expected that. Also, nobody expect the Saint's Oline to be as good as they were. Things just worked out for him and NOTHING has gone Tim's way so far.

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Obviously, the Saints saw something in Brees to give him the contract he got. We will see if Tim gets similar offers this offseason. Then, we will see what those in the NFL think.

Enough with this, I hope Tim does well and proves that he can be as good as Brees. Until he does, you can only assume that he cannot. It would be like saying Jeff Garcia could have been as good as Joe Montana with the 49ers of the '80s, pure speculation. If you haven't done it, I cannot assume that you can.

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Originally Posted by dhussdawg

Obviously, the Saints saw something in Brees to give him the contract he got. We will see if Tim gets similar offers this offseason. Then, we will see what those in the NFL think.

Enough with this, I hope Tim does well and proves that he can be as good as Brees. Until he does, you can only assume that he cannot. It would be like saying Jeff Garcia could have been as good as Joe Montana with the 49ers of the '80s, pure speculation. If you haven't done it, I cannot assume that you can.

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Is that what people mean when they tell me I can't admit I'm wrong?

I envision Tim getting a "Kurt Warner" chance if he hangs around another 3 years. If he can back up a starter like who frequently gets hurt (like Bulger of the Rams) he could come in with a decent team and play well to prove to everyone that he has simply not had a fair chance. It is safe to say that he chips just has not fallen his way in his career. The potential is there because the last few games with the Bucs have shown it. I feel sorry for the guy. I sat right next to him in my Education 475 class. He's a very quiet and nice guy. He deserves better and with a little more patience, he'll get it.

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Originally Posted by dhussdawg

Obviously, the Saints saw something in Brees to give him the contract he got. We will see if Tim gets similar offers this offseason. Then, we will see what those in the NFL think.

Enough with this, I hope Tim does well and proves that he can be as good as Brees. Until he does, you can only assume that he cannot. It would be like saying Jeff Garcia could have been as good as Joe Montana with the 49ers of the '80s, pure speculation. If you haven't done it, I cannot assume that you can.

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That dumba$$ Gruden would have started Simms over Brees, anybody who thinks that wouldn't be true is a fool. And then Gruden thought that starting Gradkowski would be really cute. And the SF coach is obessed with Alex Smith. I guarrentee you that if Brees would have been in Rattay's situations, people would be saying the same things about Brees that you are saying about Rattay.

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Originally Posted by suckupdog

That dumba$$ Gruden would have started Simms over Brees, anybody who thinks that wouldn't be true is a fool. And then Gruden thought that starting Gradkowski would be really cute. And the SF coach is obessed with Alex Smith. I guarrentee you that if Brees would have been in Rattay's situations, people would be saying the same things about Brees that you are saying about Rattay.

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You're still missing the point. Brees had already proven he could win at San Diego. Rattay has never proved that other than at La.Tech. It is not Rattay's fault that when he has gotten the chance to play that it wasn't with decent teams but that's an excuse. In the NFL, people dont care about "what ifs" "coulda shoulda" just results.

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Originally Posted by dhussdawg

Not only do I think, but it looks like coaches/GMs from a few different teams think it also. Tim could be as good as Brees, but you have to prove it for it to be known. If Tim never gets to prove it (his fault or not), I have to assume that he isn't.

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The thing is, he has proven it. All you have to do is look at his QB rating for the few games he got to start for the pathetic 49ers. He ranked in the top ten even with the lousy support they gave him. I didn't even bother to look at the TB ratings but I would think the Chicago game would be pretty impressive. The problem is that you have to have as much luck as talent to make a splash at QB in the NFL. Case in point, NE likes Tom Brady and Tim Rattay both. A coin toss decides which QB they draft. I have got to think that Timmy would have had just as much success as Brady if he had been given the chance.

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Originally Posted by oledawg66

The thing is, he has proven it. All you have to do is look at his QB rating for the few games he got to start for the pathetic 49ers. He ranked in the top ten even with the lousy support they gave him. I didn't even bother to look at the TB ratings but I would think the Chicago game would be pretty impressive. The problem is that you have to have as much luck as talent to make a splash at QB in the NFL. Case in point, NE likes Tom Brady and Tim Rattay both. A coin toss decides which QB they draft. I have got to think that Timmy would have had just as much success as Brady if he had been given the chance.

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I agree. Also, if Tom Brady had been drafted by another team, he could have very well have taken a similar path as Rattay. Luck is a big factor.