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I really really really hate Hawaii. We are going to see who hindrances those rude haka hopping riffraff come Sept 8. And props to Pat Hill just this once. Weakling my a**. Rustic Ruston my a**. This just cocks my pistol all the way back.
Relax, they have mainland envy and always have...once we hand their a$$ to them AGAIN in "rustic" Ruston, they'll call it a fluke (as they did last time with the great Timmy Chang). It's not the WAC that gives them the big bowl problems, it's the fluff OOC schedule they play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgmatic
Trust me, I will have an extremely wonderfull 2008 if we beat them, and ruin their bowl hopes...only team I would feel that way against. Again, trust me...they will expect what their jaded media types expect...a blow out....I know in my heart that Dooley will have a few extra special things for those media type to write about....:)
I hope Hawaii thinks the same way the writer of that column does. If they come into Ruston expecting to just show up and win, they have another thing coming. OU was talking a lot like the quotes in this article about Boise. Having no respect for your opponent is very dangerous. They forget the last time they came to Ruston they got their @$$ kicked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgmatic
Hawaii has the advantage in the game this year, they have a much better team than we do. BUT, it will be hot in September, early in the season, it will be a lot of travel for Hawaii, Tech will be fired up, and the new coaching staff will have this team playing 4 quarters, not the 2 we've been playing the last couple of years. Plus we've all seen the incredible home field advantage throughout the WAC. Those reasons plus being overlooked are great circumstances for an upset.
You are exactly right. It's not their conference that's holding them back - its the two I-AA teams they have on their schedule that's their downfall this year. It still pisses me off though. Can't help it. I get animated from time to time! That guy who wrote the article looks like he's had his share of poi though doesn't he? :icon_wink:
YES!! When I looked at that picture, the only thing that I could think was I'd hate to see the two creatures that made that baby. :sick2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgmatic
Dawgmatic, I'm not sure where you've been, but I nominate you for best new poster this summer. It says you've been a member since 2004, but I don't remember you posting alot.
What a douchbag. It's rare that I feel like I need to email a writer but this smug ash-hole needs to come down a couple notches.
Quote - "While Idaho, LaTech and Utah State won't figure into the equation at the top of the WAC standings, they will likely factor into Hawaii's national-respect quotient."
A "problem" that could easily be rectified by a more robust OOC schedule - give me a break - they are whinning already.
Ahhhhhh.... I feel better now
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Originally Posted by my email to dave
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Originally Posted by DocMarvin362
Doc, thank you so much! That is truly a compliment since we have so many informed, bright and really hilarious posters here on our board! You are at the top of that list, btw. I always value what you have to say in your posts.
I've been right here, going to games and reading and listening and thinking and writing the occasional vituperative letter to editors when I got really pissed off. :) (Poi Boy may get one himself!)
Up until last year I've pretty much kept my opinions to myself and did not speak up while I sat here year after year and watched our entire athletic program go straight to hell. I internally questioned the path we were on, said nothing and just kept asking myself WHY WHY WHY...but trying to trust our administration saw the bigger picture for the path we were on! No more of that! I don't know everything but I'm smart enough to figure out this is our alma mater, our team, our money and we don't have to put up with that mess anymore. I see changes being made that we have needed for a very long time and I am very pleased with the direction this is taking - BUT there is so much more to be done - right here in Ruston! Ok. I'll jump down off my soapbox for now!
BTW, if I'm elected is there a prize that goes along with being best new poster of the summer? :icon_wink:
For the record, when Hawaii last came to Ruston, I believe Colt Brennan was their QB.
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Originally Posted by NashVegasRabidK9
Oh that's good! Thank you.
Thanks Dawgmatic,Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgmatic
I just spit coffee all over my computer!
The only things Doc is knowledgeable in are:
Fingerprints
BB&B
Band Nerd Stuff
Hitting The Long Ball...Crooked
And finally.................Hand lube!
Here's my letter:
Dave,
The first mistake you make in your article is using one year to characterize a program. In 2005, Louisiana Tech was 7-4 (inlcuding a thumping of a Colt Brennan led Hawaii in Ruston). In 2004, Louisiana Tech was 6-6 while playing Miami, Auburn, and Tennessee. In 2003 and 2004, Tech lost VERY close games to Hawaii (on on the island and one in Ruston). In 2004 and 2005, Tech beat a ranked Fresno team that was favored to win the conference in both seasons. I don't know what you consider "figuring into the equation at the top of the WAC standings", but it seems to me that the 2004 and 2005 Tech teams certianly did that.
Your second mistake is blaming the "WAC Weaklings" for Hawaii's SOS. With two FCS schools on the schedule, Hawaii fans have to look no further than Herman Frazier when looking for someone to blame for Hawaii's SOS. Further, if Hawaii (a program that has consistently shown an inability to play well off of the island) does not go undefeated, they'll be back in the Hula bowl again. You seem to be counting your chickens before they've hatched.
Last year was certainly a down year for Louisiana Tech, but it shows an astounding historical ignorance to call Louisiana Tech one of the bottom third programs in the WAC. As far as program strength goes, Louisiana Tech would certinaly rank ahead of Idaho, USU, SJSU, and NMSU. I case could also be made for putting Nevada in that list. Regardless, Tech is clearly a middle-of-the-road program in the WAC. They've achieved this with a much smaller budget than the top of the WAC. But, our budget is getting a boost of 1.5 million in 2008 and an additional 1.5 million in 2009 (3 million over 3 years). If NOTHING ELSE CHANGES, those budgetary increases will put Louisiana Tech's budget, you guessed it, right in the middle of the WAC teams.
I emplore you to do a little research before writing your columns. Further, the terms like "Little Three" and "rustic Ruston" just make you look petty and childish. Have you ever been to "rustic Ruston"? Or, are you just striving to write an excuse laden homer article? Before you blame the "weaklings" you should point your investigative lens (I certainly hope you're picking up on the sarcasm here) at Herman Frazier and the schedule he put together.
Thanks,
Jonathan Nida
Excellent responses to this trash article!
And here is mine.
Reardon,
Bless your petty little heart. Do you hear anybody in the SEC whine because Vanderbilt or Mississippi State are dragging them down and keeping them out of the BCS? Is USC wailing because Stanford is holding the PAC-10 back? Is Texas weeping salty hot tears over the lack of success at Baylor and Iowa State? Do you hear any team in other conferences crying over teams in their conference keeping them from the BCS? No, my friend, you do not. Nor, should we hear it in the WAC. Did any team in the WAC keep Boise from a BCS bowl last year? I don't think so, Bubba. What will keep Hawaii from a BCS berth this year has nothing to do with their conference games. You might want to check with Hawaii's AD on this one. What will truly be detrimental to their success is that no one will consider a team with not one, but TWO I-AA games on their OOC schedule for the BCS. If they aren't careful over here, where they consistently play poorly, they may not even make it to their own little Hula Bowl this year.
It delights me that you consider LA Tech weak. I do hope the Rainbows come over here expecting last year's leftovers. It will be the most rude awakening they've ever received, I guarantee.
I would also like to ask you when you last visited Ruston, Louisiana? Have you ever been to Ruston? Have you ever even left your little island?
You might also keep in mind, Mr. Reardon, that the sun doesn't shine up the same dog's behind every day. Which mean, sir, teams have good years and teams have bad years and now just happens to be Hawaii's turn to shine, so they should enjoy it while it lasts. And while we had a bad year last year, it does not define our entire program's success and the sun will soon be shining on LA Tech. Then you are going to feel very foolish for making these ridiculous, petty and ill-informed comments about Louisiana Tech and Ruston, LA.
T. Cox
Ruston, LA
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Originally Posted by Dawgmatic
LOL I was thinking the exact same thing... He looks like a Hawaii alum who has dreams of Hawaii being a top 10 team.
It just amazes me that Hawaii is this full of themselves before the season starts. Yes, they should be pretty good this year, but they are putting their cart WAY before the horse. I hope they fall flat on their A@#$. Wouldn't it be great for them to really slip and fall into the bottom 3 this year!
Good responses guys. Should be interesting to hear what he has to say...if he writes you back.
Wonder if we can get the Hawaii paper to run a guest article.
http://timesfreeforall.blogspot.com/
WAC conference standings for Tech and Hawaii since Tech joined the conference
2001 - Tech 1st Hawaii 4th
2002 - Tech 7th Hawaii 2nd
2003 - Tech 7th Hawaii 4th
2004 - Tech 3rd Hawaii 4th
2005 - Tech 3rd Hawaii 4th
2006 - Tech 8th Hawaii 2nd
I would hardly call us a consistant weakling of the WAC.
LTDF
Good stats, especially when it is clear that Hawaii has not been above 2nd since we entered. We have come in higher than them half the time. Ignorant idiots......Quote:
Originally Posted by LongtimeDawgfan
Damn, I wish I had those stats earlier. Good diggin'.
The article and other comments coming from the island are absurd, misinformed and should be challenged. Personally, I hope Hawaii does well this year (except against the 'dogs) and continues to help build the reputation of the WAC. I hope all the teams do well to soldify the WAC as the top non BCS conference. Let's ride the wave created by Boise's success last year. As ungracious and boorish the Hawaii team is, they certainly are fun to watch. I even think the Haka thing is entertaining. They just are a bit stupid to put down another conference mate rather than promote the the overall strength of the conference. Pat Hill knows how to do this. I love the way he brags about the WAC's bowl success.
Best way to shut 'em up is to beat them. Last time they came to Ruston, we knocked their QB around pretty good and our defense had their offense off-balance all night long. Hope we see more of the same this year, then it won't matter what this guy wrote. Just a few more weeks to wait...
Rare breed, I tell ya. Incredibly arrogant, especially considering their recent performance. Since as far back as I can remember, they have always acted like the baddest thing going, seemingly not knowing or caring that the rest of the world sees them as a bunch of clowns who talk to much. Exactly why I started the We must never forget thread awhile back...
Sorry, Im not grown up enough to pull for them in anything, no matter the circumstances. I hope they fall flat on their face and dont even qualify for a bowl. IMO, the league may not benefit from having them in the spotlight.Quote:
Originally Posted by BUZDAWG
That basement closet that hasnt been cleaned out in years can look pretty ugly if you shine a light into it.
I hope they fail, as well. They can win all their OOC games, but I would be fine if they get their butts kicked in every conference game. After all, if they don't win a WAC game, that means that another WAC team is winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by altadawg
I just sent this to the poi addict.................
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Regarding your infantile article relegating La Tech to a group “holding Hawaii back”, just answer one question……..
How many WAC championships has Hawaii won in the last 6 years ?????????
And then ask another one……..How many has La Tech won?????????
I think the Rainbow “Warriors” come up a little short in this comparison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................. ......
Some very good points made by all.
That's and excellent, factual, non-emotional, response. That kind of response gets under their skin much worse than "teeing off" on them with a flury of expletives. Nice work.Quote:
Originally Posted by NashVegasRabidK9
HD
Another nice letter.....very nice. One point however: You mispelled the word "implore" in the last paragraph. I don't typically point out people's spelling mistakes because I'm not the greatest speller either. But when you're trying to convince a snobby journalist from Hawaii that Ruston's not "rustic", or that we're not really from the back woods, mispelling words doesn't help your case. Journalist's notice crap like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Just my 2 cents.
HD
Thats whatI get for trying to use $5 dollar word.
This has nothing to do with nothing. But I would take the Hawaiin's on a sight seeing trip to the highest point in Louisiana. About fifteen miles down the road from Louisiana Tech. Park at the grave yard, about a quarter mile walk from there. Bet mosquitoes and snakes and chiggers would eat em up so bad they would forget about that pre-game dance. Or actually, might make it more interesing.
Dave's response to my letter:
Mr. Nida,
I've been to Ruston twice. In 2003 and 2005. It is indeed rustic, at
least by Webster's definition: "rustic" means "rural" according to
the dictionary.
That's not meant as a slam. The people I met there were all very
friendly and I have no complaints. I like the country. In my mind,
calling Ruston rustic is like calling Hawaii sunny.
I know about Louisiana Tech's fine football tradition; I wrote about
it for the ESPN college football encyclopedia. It far outshines
Hawaii's grid history.
But history is history.
The article was about now. I don't see LaTech, in a coaching
transition year, improving enough to make voters think a Hawaii win
at Ruston (left out rustic this time for you) will be a big deal
(although I know it is a tough place to play at, I don't think most
of the voters do). Hey, I've told people around here Hawaii could
lose that September game if its offensive line isn't molded into
shape after losing three guys to NFL camps.
Believe me, we've spilled a lot of ink on Frazier's folly of a
schedule. This article was more about the combination of the bottom
third of the WAC
As for chickens before they hatch, I think you missed the phrase
about talk of UH running the table being premature. It's a
possibility, but in my mind not a probability.
Aloha,
Dave
(by the way, Brennan knows the playbook this year, he didn't in 2005).
And his to me! (After I had to apologize for an idiot friend of mine in Texas who went way way overboard with his missive to Mr. Reardon. I was so embarrassed and disgusted with him. It did nothing but do the opposite of what we were attempting to point out and made me look and act like an idiot too. I'm sorry for that!)
No need to apologize, but that is very gracious of you to do so. I've been doing this job for quite a while so I try not to take things personally. I have been to Ruston twice, in 2003 and 2005, and I have nothing but good things to say about the way I was treated by everyone I encountered during both visits. I look forward to coming there again in September.
I've received many emails from Louisiana Tech fans in the two days since the article. Many are citing the Bulldogs' tradition — I would go as far as to say Louisiana Tech's football tradition far outshines that of Hawaii. But that's not what I'm talking about in the article, nor the fact that LaTech has won the WAC more recently than Hawaii. The piece is about the perceived qualities of the teams now. I'm sure LaTech will be good again, but I'm fairly certain it won't be this year. But I also know UH's players and coaches are not underestimating the Bulldogs, especially considering what happened to them the last time they played in Ruston!
Aloha,
Dave Reardon
(I apologize for not addressing you as Mr. or Ms., but I've met people of both genders with your first name)
Ummm.... the week before this game, he threw for 426 yards and 4 TDs against Boise State.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
The week after he threw for 515 yards and 7 TDs against New Mexico State.
THE DAWGS HELD HIM TO 236 YARDS AND ONLY 1 TD.
Don't think that what happened in Ruston wasn't DIRECTLY linked to our Offense playing ball control and our defense basically shutting them down. Don't downplay the Dawgs by giving a crappy excuse saying that Colt didn't know the playbook. The weeks before and after prove that theory wrong.
Doc,
Try not to let facts get in the way of a good line of B.S.
The guy obviously didn't base his arguement around the truth.
One correction to note....the Hula Bowl is the all-star game at the end of the season. The current name of the bowl is the Sheraton Hawai'i Bowl. That should be corrected before any letter is sent.
It is going to be so fun to beat these guys. If we'd not made the changes we did, I'd have started this season with no hope and no expectations, but I think we'll surprise some people this year! I plan to be there on September 8th to see it happen for the 1st time this season (I expect to win easily - no surpise in game 1)!
at least this writer was good enough to respond to reasonable e mails that disagreed with him in a reasonable fashion. as far as calling ruston "rustic", i have to agree with the writer. it is rustic by any standards and is going to be looked at as rustic and rural from any beat writers from honolulu, san jose, fresno, reno, etc.
as far as his lumping tech in the bottom three of the conference, his reply did not match his original article. he said he was only referring to last year, but the implication definitely seemed more like he was pigeonholing us as a consistent bottom feeder in the conference (with little hope for a quick turnaround) which is just not true. a quick look at the numbers since we joined the conference will show you that. we are about as "middle of the pack" as we could be. either way, he doesn't play or coach so it really doesn't matter what he thinks. i hope hawaii's players and coaches only remember last year and forget what happened to them in '05 over here.
I love everyone's response to this guy's antics. I don't always like to strike back immediately in haste...... in the words of Jack Nicholson as Gen. Nathan Jessup from "A Few Good Men"....
"Speak softly and carry an Armored Tank Division"
I think the 101st Bulldawg Tank Division is gonna blast Colt Brennan and his thugs back to their precious little island.
We'll let our newly formed squad do the talking on the gridiron.
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Originally Posted by champion110
yeah, you guys should talk. you arent full of yourseves? bringing up past accomplishments as validation and talking about how great you were in the PAST as if it matters and how your are going to beat us. the bottom line is last year, you were in the bottom three and that has way more bearing than what you placed 3 or 4 years ago. i don't feel you are weighing down the WAC, but just accept that your are at the moment a bottom three team. we were there before, you just need to deal with it. at least you didnt go winless like we did in the late 90's. your time will come, but at the moment you are bottom three. and as to guy asking wether or not the the Lsu's and Usc's of the world complaing about the Stanfords, well, they are in a BCS conference so they know if the win their conference they make the big bowls, even if they blow their entire OOC schedule, so its really a moot point. you guys need to calm down, you take these things to personally and seriously, its an offseason article about a GAME! Thank you for your time, and i can't wait for the game.:D :thumbsup:
Tulsa Pup
They forget the last time they came to Ruston they got their @$$ kicked.
Remember last year you guys got your ass kicked.http://media.scout.com/media/forums/...ns/biggrin.gif
it will be hot in September, early in the season, it will be a lot of travel for Hawaii,
U know we did travel to Bama and I think it was as hot and humid their as it is in Ruston and we played a good game too and they were a lot better than you guys.
bulldog_in_baton_rouge
A "problem" that could easily be rectified by a more robust OOC schedule - give me a break - they are whinning already.
You guys are one of the teams bringing down the WAC. U wanna help actually go to a bowl game once in a while for once.
johnnylightnin
The first mistake you make in your article is using one year to characterize a program. In 2005, Louisiana Tech was 7-4 (inlcuding a thumping of a Colt Brennan led Hawaii in Ruston). In 2004, Louisiana Tech was 6-6 while playing Miami, Auburn, and Tennessee. In 2003 and 2004, Tech lost VERY close games to Hawaii (on on the island and one in Ruston). In 2004 and 2005, Tech beat a ranked Fresno team that was favored to win the conference in both seasons. I don't know what you consider "figuring into the equation at the top of the WAC standings", but it seems to me that the 2004 and 2005 Tech teams certianly did that.
You wanna talk about La-techs record since they joined the WAC allright.
La-tech is 30-40 since joining the WAC and you guys only won it once in 2001.
Hawaii has shared it twice.
2001 7-5 WAC champs but got blown out by Clemson at the Boise bowl.
2002 4-8
2003 5-7
2004 6-6
2005 7-4 but still no bowl game.
2006 3-10
1 season no...no...no, you guys had 2 winning season's and 3 losing seasons with a decent season in 2004.
You guys wanna help the WAC try and get into a bowl game and represent your conference.
Your second mistake is blaming the "WAC Weaklings" for Hawaii's SOS. With two FCS schools on the schedule, Hawaii fans have to look no further than Herman Frazier when looking for someone to blame for Hawaii's SOS. Further, if Hawaii (a program that has consistently shown an inability to play well off of the island) does not go undefeated, they'll be back in the Hula bowl again. You seem to be counting your chickens before they've hatched.
We need the bottom of the WAC that means you guys to have good records that way when we crush you the BCS voters can look at our schedule and say hey UH beat a pretty decent team.
No...No...We blame Hermie allright but we also Blame ESPN, Karl Benson and all those BCS teams who didn't want to play us at hawaii or at their house like MIchigan who we offered 750 grand plus an ESPN game and also Oregon st., Arizona st. and Washington st. who we offered 1 million and also ESPN bid. There were so many more teams that ducked us but Hermie doesn't want to tell everybody who they are.
Since Colt Brennan has been here UH has been 5-5 on the road so far.
By the way it's called the Hawaii bowl...Oh wait you guys don't even know what a bowl game is..Sorry.
Louisiana Tech would certinaly rank ahead of Idaho, USU, SJSU, and NMSU.
Funny..Idaho and Utah st. yes but SJSU you are really crazy. Dick Tomey took that team to an 8-4 record plus a bowl game win.
NMSU this year looks to be the darkhoarse of the WAC with so much talent on the offense.
Dawgmatic
Bless your petty little heart. Do you hear anybody in the SEC whine because Vanderbilt or Mississippi State are dragging them down and keeping them out of the BCS? Is USC wailing because Stanford is holding the PAC-10 back? Is Texas weeping salty hot tears over the lack of success at Baylor and Iowa State? Do you hear any team in other conferences crying over teams in their conference keeping them from the BCS? No, my friend, you do not. Nor, should we hear it in the WAC. Did any team in the WAC keep Boise from a BCS bowl last year?
The reason why they don't complain is because they allways have good schedules made in advance and plus..THERE IN BCS CONF. SO THERE PRETTY MUCH SET ON SCHEDULES EVERY YEAR.
Dave Readon said those things because Dumbass Herman Fraizer and Karl Benson and ESPN and those teams that ducked us couldn't get a decent schedule for us this year.
Hermie deserves most of the blame. He had 2 years to fill 3 spots in 07.
By Jan. of 07 MSU pulled out who told us that they were going to high in advance finally gave us our money and got out of our schedule.PROMBLEM the idiot Fraizer still haden't signed any teams left so that left us with 4 holes to fill.
Genious of him keeps saying chit like I could fill the schedule by tomorrow or he has BCS teams in his back pocket. He got one great IS THAT IT?
Numbnuts asked ESPN to help and Benson...Didn't help at all.
Ask a bunch of BCS teams they said no. The only team that told us they wanted to play us and we could were Louiville and dumbass fraizer said no..WHAT AN IDIOT!!
So with 3 spots left and spring practice started allready what does he do offer 450 grand to a school called N. Colorado who was the worst 1aa team last year and a school from the east called charleston southern...WTH IS C. SOUTHERN.
As for Boise's run last year they had 1 1aa team to play and plus they HELLO. They started the season in the top 25 and they beat a good OSU club that beat USC.
Plus with the New BCS rules a undefeated BSU would've made it either way.
I would also like to ask you when you last visited Ruston, Louisiana? Have you ever been to Ruston? Have you ever even left your little island?
Little huh...I bet most of America doesn't even know Ruston Exists.
LongtimeDawgfan
WAC conference standings for Tech and Hawaii since Tech joined the conference
2001 - Tech 1st Hawaii 4th
2002 - Tech 7th Hawaii 2nd
2003 - Tech 7th Hawaii 4th
2004 - Tech 3rd Hawaii 4th
2005 - Tech 3rd Hawaii 4th
2006 - Tech 8th Hawaii 2nd
I would hardly call us a consistant weakling of the WAC.
LTDF
Let's look at the overall record and Bowl games which REALLY count for respect in the WAC.
2001 7-5 WAC champs but got blown out by Clemson at the Boise bowl.
9-3 record plus a win over #8 BYU.
2002 4-8
10-4 finished 2nd in the WAC.
2003 5-7
9-5 Went to a Bowl game won that and beat Alabama.
2004 6-6
Beat Nwestern and Michigan st. and won our Bowl game again.
2005 7-4 but still no bowl game.
5-7
2006 3-10
11-3 beating Purdue and Arizona st. and scaring the hell out of Boise and Alabama fans along the way too.
you guys are 30-40 since joining the WAC in 2001.
We are 52-27...
ANYWAY GOODLUCK THIS SEASON!!:icon_wink:
Humm. Well just another fun fact here is that TECH is actually 25-23 (so before this ONE year of 2006, we were 24-16) in WAC games since joining the WAC. While not all that impressive, it does show that we ARE middle of the pack unlike you are trying to paint us.Quote:
Originally Posted by UHfanzonly
We have had terrible (sometimes decent) OOC scheduling for a while now, and that blame has it's place as well.
1. Yes. Only ONE year could we be classified as a "bottom third" team...which is the whole point of this article. Hawaii has been "co-champs" twice, but not since the Clinton administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by UHfanzonly
2. No, you needed your do-nothing AD to do something before now. Tech won't hurt your SOS NEARLY as much as TWO FCS teams.
3. Very creative editing. You left out these words..."With regards to program strength..." So, I'm exactly right. I'm glad SJSU had a good year, but their program cannot be defined by one year...despite how much Hawaii fans wish it could.
first of all, how long did this take you to figure out? you really should get out more and enjoy the islands. and, as has already been posted, you got some of your facts wrong anyway. secondly, hawaii has had the sweetrst bowl deal in the history of college football (up until last year i think the rule was finally changed). if you guys were just bowl eligible it got you in as host of the hawaii bowl, so of course you went to that bowl a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by UHfanzonly
you had a good year last year and it looks like you're set to have another one this coming year. your fans and your teams should try to show a little class (for a change), like boise state does.
Former ASH baseball coach Don Boniol had a great saying that applies very well to some of our UH visitors...Quote:
Originally Posted by george
"Act like you've been there."
This "tough" Alabama team Hawaii played pretty close last year. Didn't they fire their coach after the season? You speak of playing a team close but from a team that has beaten Alabama as SEC champs, 25-17 doesn't cut it. All you Hawaii fans want to talk trash but plain and simple is we beat you last time you came into Ruston.
We played like hammered crap last year and we deserve everything we are getting. Dooley will have us turned around and this will turn and we will be cramming the ball down Hawaii's throats before long. For now though, we have to eat the crow we are being served.
I don't have a problem with Hawaii fans or other WAC fans wanting more from us. If we were in their shoes or Boise or Fresno's shoes we would probaby be doing the same. My problem with Hawaii is why don't you wait before you play 1 damn game before you start bitching about who is or isn't keeping you out of the BCS. Maybe just maybe you should go undefeated and see where you end up before you bitch about which bowl you are in. Sounds like you've already packed your bags and bought your ticket to the BCS game. Then again if we had a weak a$$ schedule like yours I might be confident as well.
Oh and BTW UHFan, how many people were bitching about SJSU before last season?? How many were bitching after?? It's best to keep your mouth shut and let your play do the talking. Pre-season polls and forecasts don't mean squat. San Jose and others have proven that time and time again.
I wouldn't worry about what anybody in Hawaii says. I would focus on the task at hand. Last year was not one that Tech is going to remember fondly. But things are pointed in the right direction. Tech fans everywhere should be excited about it prospects.
You beat us the last time in Ruston. but you had a better team then. this year, your team is much weaker than that team and our team is much stronger. so you beat us the last time in ruston. so what, it doesnt matter because this year, we Will win. end of story.
No we actually didn't have a better team talent wise. We had an experienced team when we beat you last time. Look at how many new starters and backups we had to bring in last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by xer 21
End of story will be about 10:00 pm Sept 8th. You should be favored but we will see what happens on the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by xer 21
what i don't understand about this whole argument -- the "bottom third" of the wac needs to get better -- is won't there always be a bottom third? if a conference plays against one another, there are going to be teams that lose games and teams that win games. i guess, theoretically, we can all be "middle of the pack" if we all beat up on one another. but, if we have a boise like last year or a potential 1-2 punch of boise and hawaii this year, there are going to be teams on the opposite end of the spectrum. it doesn't matter if it's tech, nmsu, san jose, idaho, doesn't matter. there are going to be teams that go 1-7, 2-6, 3-5 in conference play. it's just natural. those teams aren't going to bring hawaii's strength of schedule down, because if we win more guys and nmsu wins more games and idaho wins more games, somebody in the wac has to be losing to those teams! no, pure and simple, hawaii should have done a better job of scheduling the games it could control!
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Originally Posted by theprofessor
Yessir, there sure will be. And I don't think I have EVER heard this brought up before...and as far as I know there is always a bottom three to every conference each and every year. They love it that we were in the bottom three last year - they are pooping poi thinking about having to come over here and it cheers them up to say it. Well, live it up boys, y'all can bitch about somebody else dragging poor Hawaii down after this year. Cause it won't be my Dawgs!!!
Go Dawgs!!!!!!!!!!!
You can still be competitive in your out of conference games....that is...unless you sell out the program for money games like we have done lately.
But I digress.
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Originally Posted by TheProfessor
The heat and humidity really do affect the mind down there. Thank god we only have to spend a little time rustic Ruston.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgmatic
The Pac 10 only has one weak team, Stanford. Arizona and Washington were 6-6 and 5 - 7 respectively.
The bottom feeders can do a few things to improve their national rank:
1. They can win SOME of their conference games.
2. They can win ALL of their out-of-conference games.
3. They can post a 50% win/loss record, and then win a bowl game.
Heck, the bottom half of the WAC barely won a 1/3 of their games last year. La Tech couldn't even win 25% of its games.
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Originally Posted by SundayJam
Ê, `ê, `ê! Hele pêlâ! :angry:
(translation: yeah, yeah, yeah. Go away.)
Our point with the writer though was he painted it as if we were a bottom third team every year when in fact we have a winning record against the WAC during our time here. If we were consistently in the bottom third he would have a much better arguement but while I agree we tanked last year,it was only the year before that we were bowl eligible and fighting for a conference title while knocking off a top-25 ranked Fresno in Fresno on national television. (for the second year in a row)Quote:
Originally Posted by SundayJam
I'm not getting into the whole Hawaii vs. Tech deal here just saying that writer is lumping us in where he shouldn't. It was one year. Hawaii has a great team and you have a lot to be proud of but like I said in an earlier post Hawaii needs to worry about winning the games on it's schedule and let the chips fall where they may before they start whining about someone bringing down their SOS. Let's actually play a few games before we start bitching Hawaii fans. For now if you want to bitch, I've got someone you can bitch at ........your AD!
BTW I think you should remember a few years ago a certain BYU team was bitching about their bowl situation a little prematurely. You of all people should remember what happened to them.
If you don't count last year's horrible record, you are only 13 - 11 vs the WAC. That's not so great. What is a legit sample size anyway? Even if it were a proper sample size, wouldn't you normally throw out the top and bottom performers? I'm sorry, you young pups haven't been in the WAC...or D1A for that matter...long enough to brag about your game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
I for one hope La Tech curbs the descent into mediocrity. There are teams at the top of the WAC. There are teams in a slump. Some teams are ascending. La Tech is definately sinking.
BYU has a national championship. The BYU players and coaches are legendary. BYU was in a bowl game last year, and they won it. John Beck was a top draft pick last year.
I'm sorry, you haven't been a state long enough to brag about anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by SundayJam
Fire is hot. Water is wet. ULM is for students who couldn't get into Tech. All of these are facts. Along with Hawaii lost last time they came to Ruston. I hope you enjoy the rest of your summer because I don't think Hawaii fans will be too happy after week 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by SundayJam
[quote=SundayJam;497019]If you don't count last year's horrible record, you are only 13 - 11 vs the WAC. That's not so great. What is a legit sample size anyway? Even if it were a proper sample size, wouldn't you normally throw out the top and bottom performers? I'm sorry, you young pups haven't been in the WAC...or D1A for that matter...long enough to brag about your game.
Check your stats, Tech is 25-23 in conference since joining the WAC in 2001 including last year. W/O last year our record is 24-16. Speaking of conference record since joining the wac what is your Conference Record since ya'll joined the WAC way back in 1979?
2006 WAC 1-7 Notes: Your only WAC win was against Utah St OOC: NTexas & Nichols WTF?)Quote:
Originally Posted by rtr002
2005 WAC 7-3 Notes: Haw, NMSU, SJSU, Utah St, FresnoSt, BoiseSt & Idaho OOC: NTexas
2004 WAC 5-3 Notes: Nev, Fresno, SMU, Tulsa, & Rice. OOC: LA-Lafayette (WTF?)
2003 WAC 3-4 Notes: UTEP, Nev & SMU. OOC: LA-Lafayette & MSU.
2002 WAC 3-4 Notes: Tulsa, Nev, & UTEP. OOC: OSU.
2001 WAC 7-0 Notes: SJSU, SMU, Nev, Rice, Boise St., UTEP, & Tulsa. OOC: (WTF?)
Oh yes, you Techies are soooo dominant in the WAC...
So...Y'all regularly beat up on Louisiana-Lafayette & North Texas? Nice. I'm sorry SMU, Rice, & UTeP are no longer members of the WAC. Thank god for Utah St. or the Techies would have nothing to be thankful for in 2006. Both you bottom feeders gave us 40+ points.
Short memories huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by SundayJam
1. gee whiz, how thick-headed can you be? tech went 1-7 in the wac last year. if we won more of our conference games, doesn't that mean somebody in the wac has to lose those games? if tech wins more, someone else is going to be the bottom-feeder! that is, unless, we're all mediocre and finished 4-4 in conference. would you rather have a true top and bottom or all mediocre?Quote:
Originally Posted by SundayJam
2. when is the last time hawaii won all of it's non-conference games? boise did it last year, but that's on rare occasions. if i'm correct -- and lord knows, i've been wrong before -- tech went 3-10 overall and 1-7 in the wac. that means we went 2-3 out of conference. the games we lost were at nebraska, at texas a&m and at clemson. we beat nicholls state and north texas, a 1-aa and sun belt team. given the way hawaii has historically played off the island, i'm pretty sure a "normal" hawaii team would have gone 2-3 with that ooc schedule.
3. the wac has three bowl tie-ins. we have 9 teams. take out the bottom three and that leaves 6 teams. now even if, by some fluke, all six of those qualified for bowl games, they wouldn't all have a place to go. and that's not counting the bottom three that you're telling to go .500 and win a bowl game! come on, genius, think!
Ha! You called Sunday Jam a "genius"!
I'm not sure he's got the required equipment.Quote:
Originally Posted by theprofessor
That logic is too much for him considering all Hawaii has to do to play in a bowl is finish the season eligible. They are given the first choice of whether they want to play in the Hawaii bowl or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by theprofessor
so.....ya'll regularly beat up on Charleston Southern, Northern Colorado, UNLV, Florida Atlantic(loss). Nice. Oh and by the way last time you played UTEP you got beat pretty bad: October 16at UTEP L 51-202-3 (2-2)http://assets.espn.go.com/i/scoreboard/gamePlan2.gifOh you Rainbows are so dominant! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by SundayJam
Oh and you didn't answer my question! Why don't you answer my question? What is the overall record since UH has been in the WAC? I am not being sarcastic. I am just curious. I can't seem to find old schedules past 2002. If it is too embarrasing don't answer my question, I would not want you to feel uncomfortable or anything while you are visiting our site.
[quote=SundayJam;497019]If you don't count last year's horrible record, you are only 13 - 11 vs the WAC
I don't know why I asked you that question, you seem to have a problem counting wins and losses!:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
What does that have to do with anything I posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by SundayJam
Here is my point:
Maybe you weren't a fan back then but only a few years ago ('01) BYU was undefeated, 12-0, and was bitching about probably not going to the BCS bowl that they deserved. They were blaming their poor SOS on all of the teams they played and then on the last game of the year they traveled to Hawaii and y'all kicked the crap out of them REAL BAD. And thats my point. Don't bitch about other teams bringing you down until you handle up on your own business or you end up looking as stupid as BYU did. The national media had a field day.
Agin: Don't bitch about other schools bringing you down until you beat the teams on your schedule. When BYU came in you hung 70 on them. Make sure that doesn't happen to you before you start whining. :bigcry: Right now you are 0-0 and you haven't won anything yet.
Sundayjam,
I can't believe you are ripping on our OOC schedule. WOW! Look in the mirror.
Hawaii's WAC record is 55-53-2. A .509 winning percentage. This is against current membership.Quote:
Originally Posted by rtr002
They are 77-98-3 against current MWC teams for a .441 winning percentage.
I'm not ripping Hawaii. They have a very good program. Like I said they just need to take care of their own business before they worry about ours.
Hawai'i is very hard to beat on the island. I have read reports of those who say their homefield advantage is often stretched by the officiating. Heck, I watched a few games (Oregon State last year) where I thought the refs were cheating and I WAS GOING FOR HAWAII!!
Game, set, & match to BigDog.
You Techies are an onerous bunch of bottom feeders.
Must be why you like catfish so much.
I think the author of the article was reacting to buzz at the WAC conference. Dude gotta have something to put in the paper everyday.
I did see the BYU game. Damn, that was a good one.
Aloha.
this is NOT intended to create conflict, it is just fact. while hawaii's late season schedule toughens up quite a bit, have you seen there first six games?
first they play northern colorado at home. then at louisiana tech, then at unlv (a true bottom feeder). back home for another 1AA team, charleston southern. then at idaho and home to utah state.
Sunday look at Tech's OOC schedule compared to Hawaii's OOC schedule. It's like comparing oranges and apples. If the OOC schedule's were swapped I bet you wouldn't be talking about BCS so prematurely.
thats what they all say. funny how most times these ref job accusations come on we have refs from different conferences. simple fact, we do not get refs to work for us. the only HFA we have is the travel.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxerdog
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Originally Posted by george
hey, we didnt make the WAC schedule that way and our crappy ass AD couldnt get anyone to commit to a game after MSU backed out. a bunch of BCS teams backed out despite a lot of cash on the table and ESPN deals. so our crappy AD thought CSU and UNC were able replacements:angry: i would love to have a tougher schedule.
and what the hell does an old UTEP game matter? about as much as the 05 la tech game, which is to say, it doesnt matter at all. all that matters is the here and now.
That is exactly what we have been saying but some of your Hawaii guys don't see that. By "now" they include last year in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by xer 21
Well I don't have to have anyone tell me that I've seen some crappy officiating, one Tech player two rainbow thugs, Tech player punched in the face right in front of an official, no ejection. The list could go on and on but no need. Karma will take care of everything.
There are a lot of southern BCS teams that would love to have you come to their place. As for coming to the Island well that referee Karma has really made the Island a undesirable place. I bet that is why your athletic director is having a hard time finding worthy opponents. There is a lot of talk about cheap calls on the island from all over the country. Looks like your road to the BCS is at Auburn, Alabama, USC, Miami, ETC, ETC. I guarantee you that it won't be this year!:thumbsup:(OOC Schedule)Quote:
Originally Posted by xer 21
actually what has really hurt hawaii is the addition of the 12th game. any team that travels to hawaii gets an extra home game. that used to be an added bonus to get a 12th game. nobody wants to play 13 games -- just ask our bulldogs from last year! :bigcry:Quote:
Originally Posted by rtr002
Lets not forget another homefield advantage that is making Hawaii a place teams don't want to travel. Some say passing works exceptionally while on the island (the ball just floats). Anyone else hear this?
you know, people complained, they brought their own refs, than they complained about the ref jobbing. :icon_roll: even OSU fans complained when they won...Quote:
Originally Posted by rtr002
the reason our AD cant find opponents is because he started way too late and BCS team wont sign for a home and home, they want a one and done at their place so they dont have to take as big a risk. some teams even wouldnt play us at home, one and done.
and Juice752, who the hell told you that?:huh:
I really could care less about the refs, they need cops to control the thug players from UH.
I heard that too many times about Nevada back in 02,03 from Dave Nitz on the Radio! Yeah Luke kept on missing and missing, then Luke goes down and Max Causey came in and threw a perfect pass to set up the game winning field goal by Scobey.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice752
I was told that by someone who knows someone stationed in Hawaii. My cousin also lives in Hawaii. I can ask him him if that is true to him as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by xer 21
utep? can you read? i didn't say anything about utep:icon_roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by xer 21
will i get to 600 posts before bonds breaks the record? this is very exciting!
Well, hell, it must be true then. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice752
I wonder why Boise St. never complains about the officiating at Hawaii?
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Originally Posted by george
someone else mentioned it. that was seperate from the rest of the post. sorry.