Where's Scelfo??

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09-30-2007, 01:30 AM
DocMarvin362

Where's Scelfo??

This Offensive genious is just offensive. He called a terrible game tonight. I hope that there is a press release stating that he didn't make the trip to Fresno due to a wedding or something, because I am NOT impressed.

30 rushes, 56 pass plays, 7 sacks

Defense is shutting out Fresno; we've ran the ball good all first half and we go:
pass (incomplete)
pass (incomplete)
pass (finally complete)
pass (incomplete)
run (Jackson gets 7 yards)
pass (incomplete)
punt

That is TERRIBLE playcalling with our offense.

At halftime we have 5 yards a carry, and we run ONE run play coming out of the half. IF SOMETHING ISN'T WORKING, STOP TRYING TO FORCE IT!!!! :bomb: JUST RUN THE DAMN BALL!!! :furious3:
09-30-2007, 01:33 AM
Dawgmatic

Re: Where's Scelfo??

I am kind of worried about Scelfo. We gone from having no defense to having no offense. Props to Spangler and thumbs all the way down for Scelfo.
09-30-2007, 01:33 AM
johnnylightnin

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Gotta have the players...right now, we don't got em. That said, the draw on 3rd and 15 was pure Bicknell...

This offense has NO killer instinct. They don't know how to finish a game. They don't know how to score in the red-zone. All we can do is run the ball and once they figure out that Keagle kicks with more accuracy than Champion throws, all they have to do is stack the box and they've mastered our offense. It's pretty sad.
09-30-2007, 01:37 AM
TECH88

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Quote:

Originally Posted by DocMarvin362

This Offensive genious is just offensive. He called a terrible game tonight. I hope that there is a press release stating that he didn't make the trip to Fresno due to a wedding or something, because I am NOT impressed.

30 rushes, 56 pass plays, 5 sacks

Defense is shutting out Fresno; we've ran the ball good all first half and we go:
pass (incomplete)
pass (incomplete)
pass (finally complete)
pass (incomplete)
run (Jackson gets 7 yards)
pass (incomplete)
punt

That is TERRIBLE playcalling with our offense.

At halftime we have 5 yards a carry, and we run ONE run play coming out of the half. IF SOMETHING ISN'T WORKING, STOP TRYING TO FORCE IT!!!! :bomb: JUST RUN THE DAMN BALL!!! :furious3:

Well, when your QB throws the ball at our WR's feet it's kinda hard to get anything going. Zac is the problem, not the play calling.
09-30-2007, 01:37 AM
DocMarvin362

Re: Where's Scelfo??

We have the lead at halftime and in the second half we ran for 6 yards!! Hell 13 came from Zac on the scramble out of the pocket.

Wake up, we don't have the personnel to pass it 50 times a game right now. We have 4 RB's that can all be starters. Get their asses out on the field or sign their releases immediatly when they ask to transfer.
09-30-2007, 01:39 AM
DocMarvin362

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by TECH88

Well, when your QB throws the ball at our WR's feet it's kinda hard to get anything going. Zac is the problem, not the play calling.

Thanks for proving my point.

Zac stunk... so why do you call 5 pass plays coming out of the half. That's idiotic! :bomb:
09-30-2007, 01:43 AM
Dawgmatic

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Quote:

Originally Posted by DocMarvin362

We have the lead at halftime and in the second half we ran for 6 yards!! Hell 13 came from Zac on the scramble out of the pocket.

Wake up, we don't have the personnel to pass it 50 times a game right now. We have 4 RB's that can all be starters. Get their asses out on the field or sign their releases immediatly when they ask to transfer.

We didn't run very well tonight either I didn't think. I think everyone knows now we have no passing game, we are depending on the running game and so everyone and his brother knows what they have to do to stop us. And that is a scary prospect for the rest of this year. I think somebody has scared the bejesus out of Zac Champion. I've said this before, but he has gone SO far in the opposite direction of what he was doing last year. He's paralyzed. And when he makes a good throw we don't have anybody that can catch it apparently. It's going to be another long long long year apparently. I'm really disappointed. :(
09-30-2007, 01:43 AM
WWDog

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The play calling is going to be bad when you have a qb afraid to throw an interception and doesn't have the skills to throw receptions without some interceptions. Why do you think they won't let Mosley in the game to throw the longer balls. He has a good arm from what I've heard but also throws interceptions more than Champion. Remember Coach Dooley's number one stat for winning, turnover margin. We need to open it up a little and risk a few interceptions.
09-30-2007, 01:46 AM
TECH88

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawgmatic

We didn't run very well tonight either I didn't think. I think everyone knows now we have no passing game, we are depending on the running game and so everyone and his brother knows what they have to do to stop us. And that is a scary prospect for the rest of this year. I think somebody has scared the bejesus out of Zac Champion. I've said this before, but he has gone SO far in the opposite direction of what he was doing last year. He's paralyzed. And when he makes a good throw we don't have anybody that can catch it apparently. It's going to be another long long long year apparently. I'm really disappointed. :(

Agreed. Zac looks pathetic when he throws the ball. I've never seen any player so scared of contact in my life. So much for the Ole Miss trip....
09-30-2007, 01:48 AM
Bigdog13

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Quote:

Originally Posted by DocMarvin362

Thanks for proving my point.

Zac stunk... so why do you call 5 pass plays coming out of the half. That's idiotic! :bomb:

Because they (Fresno) made halftime adjustments stacked the box, sold out aginst the run and dared us to throw it. .....And we still couldn't complete a pass. Fresno's SS was playing up like a LB and we could not take advantage. I don't think we were going to get many yards rushing the second half against that defense.

Get ready, because I think we are going to see the rest of our opponents sell out against the run as well after they get a hold of this film.
09-30-2007, 01:49 AM
T_Won

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

Gotta have the players...right now, we don't got em. That said, the draw on 3rd and 15 was pure Bicknell...

This offense has NO killer instinct. They don't know how to finish a game. They don't know how to score in the red-zone. All we can do is run the ball and once they figure out that Keagle kicks with more accuracy than Champion throws, all they have to do is stack the box and they've mastered our offense. It's pretty sad.

That draw on 3rd and 15 told me what they think of Mosely.
09-30-2007, 01:52 AM
markay714

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by Bigdog13

Get ready, because I think we are going to see the rest of our opponents sell out against the run as well after they get a hold of this film.

But, fear not, I do feel better with who is in charge. He's smart enough to do that. I think Fresno got film and knew from that and the first half that passing isn't our forte any more. I believe we've got coaches who've already showed they can develop a great game plan working within our large weaknesses. It wasn't there tonight, but I believe we'll see some adjustments for the lack of a passing game. Perhaps we'll have to put in some trick plays or something for this year and work exceptionally hard to recruit a great QB or two for next year.
09-30-2007, 01:58 AM
Dawgmatic

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by markay714

But, fear not, I do feel better with who is in charge. He's smart enough to do that. I think Fresno got film and knew from that and the first half that passing isn't our forte any more. I believe we've got coaches who've already showed they can develop a great game plan working within our large weaknesses. It wasn't there tonight, but I believe we'll see some adjustments for the lack of a passing game. Perhaps we'll have to put in some trick plays or something for this year and work exceptionally hard to recruit a great QB or two for next year.

I remember at the recruiting luncheon this year Dooley was asked about QB's for this year...he said we had plenty of QB's. :icon_wink: I don't know about everybody else but I felt a twinge of anxiety when he said that. I knew Zac's penchant for interceptions, but I had no idea he was going to go in this direction. I have to trust Dooley will get us what we need...and there's Ross Jenkins that everyone seems to think has potential. Where is he? Redshirt? And our Auburn transfer. So there is hope. Truly.
09-30-2007, 01:59 AM
DocMarvin362

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawgmatic

We didn't run very well tonight either I didn't think.

We ran for 95 yards in the first half!! We ran the fine to start the game. They made the adjustments and we played right into their adjustments. NOBODY will fear any plays of over 10 yards against us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigdog13

Because they (Fresno) made halftime adjustments stacked the box, sold out aginst the run and dared us to throw it. .....And we still couldn't complete a pass. Fresno's SS was playing up like a LB and we could not take advantage. I don't think we were going to get many yards rushing the second half against that defense.

And we lined up in the shotgun EVERY passing play. NO PLAY ACTION, NO INTENTION OF RUNNING THE BALL AT ALL. The one running play we had WITH 8 IN THE BOX, Jackson STILL got 7 YARDS!!! :bomb:

We finally have a 3rd and 3, and we throw another pass. Just plain stoopid.
09-30-2007, 06:47 AM
Cal&Ken

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawgmatic

I remember at the recruiting luncheon this year Dooley was asked about QB's for this year...he said we had plenty of QB's. :icon_wink: I don't know about everybody else but I felt a twinge of anxiety when he said that. I knew Zac's penchant for interceptions, but I had no idea he was going to go in this direction. I have to trust Dooley will get us what we need...and there's Ross Jenkins that everyone seems to think has potential. Where is he? Redshirt? And our Auburn transfer. So there is hope. Truly.

I have a feeling he is not on our team this year. If he was - I think we would have already seen him out there. There was nothing to keep them from putting him in.
09-30-2007, 08:33 AM
T_Won

Re: Where's Scelfo??

We could have Tim Rattay at QB and it wouldn't make much difference. Ya gotta have someone that can get open and then catch it if they do. But, it is time we let Champion start forcing some throws.
09-30-2007, 09:05 AM
Dirtydawg

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Here's my thought after not sleeping very well last night. I hate to say it, but I'm going to have to give a little credence to persnickety and suckup. I'm very disappointed in Scelfo and to an extent Dooley. Everyone keeps saying how we have no talent, but keeps forgetting the fact that Dooley has already stated that our tight ends are the best he's ever been around. With that in mind, why hasn't our offensive coordinator set up packages that create mismatches with those tight ends? Why doesn't he insist that to our qb that those are his primary targets? He can isolate them on linebackers. He can use more than one where he has one coming out of the backfield. Heck, line DM at wr more often and put one at te and the other at fb. As far as Dooley goes, why hasn't he noticed that hasn't been getting done and addressed it with Scelfo? If we don't see some offensive improvement by using our strengths (the te) by the end of the year, I'll be terribly disappointed if Dooley keeps Scelfo. I agree with suckup. They couldn't win crap at Tulane when he was there. As far as his "training" future NFL qbs, I maintain they got there on their ability much like Luke McCown did rather than their coaching.
09-30-2007, 09:21 AM
boxerdog

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by Dirtydawg

Here's my thought after not sleeping very well last night. I hate to say it, but I'm going to have to give a little credence to persnickety and suckup. I'm very disappointed in Scelfo and to an extent Dooley. Everyone keeps saying how we have no talent, but keeps forgetting the fact that Dooley has already stated that our tight ends are the best he's ever been around. With that in mind, why hasn't our offensive coordinator set up packages that create mismatches with those tight ends? Why doesn't he insist that to our qb that those are his primary targets? He can isolate them on linebackers. He can use more than one where he has one coming out of the backfield. Heck, line DM at wr more often and put one at te and the other at fb. As far as Dooley goes, why hasn't he noticed that hasn't been getting done and addressed it with Scelfo? If we don't see some offensive improvement by using our strengths (the te) by the end of the year, I'll be terribly disappointed if Dooley keeps Scelfo. I agree with suckup. They couldn't win crap at Tulane when he was there. As far as his "training" future NFL qbs, I maintain they got there on their ability much like Luke McCown did rather than their coaching.

Don't me wrong, I think we should FIND A WAY to get Dennis on the field for the majority of plays. But, Champion cannot be relied upon to get the ball to anybody. The passes he completes are mostly guys that are uncovered. Obviously, there were several drops last night--with Livas leading the way--however, my point is WHERE Champion decides to throw the ball. He's always looking for the bail-out or overthrowing the long ball so that it won't get intercepted. The kid just isn't getting it done and I don't think Dennis can help him stop locking in on one receiver or looking to dump the ball off, he has to quarterback.

Check Dooley's comments on the game, he lays the offensive deficiencies at the feet of Champion. Quarterbacks deserve most of the praise and they deserve most of the blame.
09-30-2007, 09:24 AM
Dirtydawg

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by boxerdog

Don't me wrong, I think we should FIND A WAY to get Dennis on the field for the majority of plays. But, Champion cannot be relied upon to get the ball to anybody. The passes he completes are mostly guys that are uncovered. Obviously, there were several drops last night--with Livas leading the way--however, my point is WHERE Champion decides to throw the ball. He's always looking for the bail-out or overthrowing the long ball so that it won't get intercepted. The kid just isn't getting it done and I don't think Dennis can help him stop locking in on one receiver or looking to dump the ball off, he has to quarterback.

Check Dooley's comments on the game, he lays the offensive deficiencies at the feet of Champion. Quarterbacks deserve most of the praise and they deserve most of the blame.

My point is that, with those matchups, I think the tight ends (not just Dennis), will be open enough that even Zac can hit those passes. Of course, when I talked about game planning for the tight ends, I didn't have any particular qb in mind.
09-30-2007, 09:51 AM
persnickety

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I notice that the title of this thread is "where's Scelfo", well the one we need is playing quarterback for Tulane right now. That is one scrappy kid and really admired how he stuck it to the LSU defense yesterday. I think uncle needs to give nephew a call.
09-30-2007, 09:59 AM
Amos Moses

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by Dirtydawg

My point is that, with those matchups, I think the tight ends (not just Dennis), will be open enough that even Zac can hit those passes. Of course, when I talked about game planning for the tight ends, I didn't have any particular qb in mind.

The coaches have to use what businesses have been using for ages......cause and effect analysis and Pareto analysis. There are obviously more than one variable causing this. I contend that the top of the Pareto chart is the QB play, but it just may be the receivers play as the main cause.

Dooley needs to start making changes NOW, as in next week against Ole Miss. Don't change both the receivers and the QB, just one or the other. I say start with a new QB. Obviously the coaches have a pretty good idea which of the QB's should be next in line. If it's a freshmen, GO FOR IT and give them playing time. I don't feel very good about Mosley at this point.

Let's make a QB change now, see if that works, and if it's the same result, go to the second cause on the Pareto, which is receivers. Not much depth there, I realize, but so what. If the ones playing now can't get the job done, try the others ASAP.

Just my humble opinion.
09-30-2007, 10:07 AM
8411

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cal&Ken

I have a feeling he is not on our team this year. If he was - I think we would have already seen him out there. There was nothing to keep them from putting him in.

trust me. he is there. he just needs to get a shot. he'll bring a winning attitude if given the chance.
09-30-2007, 10:15 AM
Tech09

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Hopefully Ross will get his shot in the near future. This offense needs a change of scenery at the QB position. I hate to be negative but Champion needs to be in charge of the clipboard.
09-30-2007, 10:18 AM
Bulldog44

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by persnickety

I notice that the title of this thread is "where's Scelfo", well the one we need is playing quarterback for Tulane right now. That is one scrappy kid and really admired how he stuck it to the LSU defense yesterday. I think uncle needs to give nephew a call.

You mean Dad and Son.
09-30-2007, 10:20 AM
8411

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by Tech09

Hopefully Ross will get his shot in the near future. This offense needs a change of scenery at the QB position. I hate to be negative but Champion needs to be in charge of the clipboard.

me too. and hopefully, sooner than later.
09-30-2007, 11:34 AM
Bigdog13

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by DocMarvin362

We ran for 95 yards in the first half!! We ran the fine to start the game. They made the adjustments and we played right into their adjustments. NOBODY will fear any plays of over 10 yards against us.
And we lined up in the shotgun EVERY passing play. NO PLAY ACTION, NO INTENTION OF RUNNING THE BALL AT ALL. The one running play we had WITH 8 IN THE BOX, Jackson STILL got 7 YARDS!!! :bomb:

We finally have a 3rd and 3, and we throw another pass. Just plain stoopid.

Doc, I repsect you but we are just going to have to agree to disagree. I saw us run into that stacked box multiple times and get stuffed. I saw their SS in our backfield harrassing and tackling our backs for a loss. More running plays wouldn't have changed the game last night. More completions would have.

I'm sorry but Scelfo doesn't have crap to work with.
09-30-2007, 11:47 AM
persnickety

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by Bigdog13

Doc, I repsect you but we are just going to have to agree to disagree. I saw us run into that stacked box multiple times and get stuffed. I saw their SS in our backfield harrassing and tackling our backs for a loss. More running plays wouldn't have changed the game last night. More completions would have.

I'm sorry but Scelfo doesn't have crap to work with.

More completions would have but the kind that Champion can complete and the kind the receivers can catch. If you watched the Auburn-Florida game, that plan by Auburn would fit out team. Brandon Cox has more tools than Champion but they have a similar style. If we created the offense around what Champion can do and not what they want him to do, he and the team would be more successful. Also, you can not abandon the run. I agree with Doc Marvin, use your most skilled players (our running backs). Had we been running ball, we could have done to them what they eventually did to us (continually to chip away at the defensive line).
09-30-2007, 11:59 AM
Bigdog13

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by persnickety

More completions would have but the kind that Champion can complete and the kind the receivers can catch. If you watched the Auburn-Florida game, that plan by Auburn would fit out team. Brandon Cox has more tools than Champion but they have a similar style. If we created the offense around what Champion can do and not what they want him to do, he and the team would be more successful. Also, you can not abandon the run. I agree with Doc Marvin, use your most skilled players (our running backs). Had we been running ball, we could have done to them what they eventually did to us (continually to chip away at the defensive line).

You don't keep running into an 8 or 9 man front. We wouldn't have worn them down. We would have just punted sooner. The gameplan we ran DID suit Champion. Lots of screens and short routes that he can hit with occasional deeper play action. They figured that out, put there DB's on an island, stacked the box and dared us to throw it deeper than 10 yards. Champion and our WR's are not effective at intermediate and longer routes. Don't you get it? There was not a solution to the problem last night. The only solution is to recruit better players on offense. Thats it. It's not going to be fixed with a bye week or extra coaching or practices. It' going to be fixed by good recruiting, and thats it.

Again Fresno was licking their chops waiting for the run. Running the ball more would have only been playing into their hands.
09-30-2007, 12:09 PM
Brian96

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by Tech09

Hopefully Ross will get his shot in the near future. This offense needs a change of scenery at the QB position. I hate to be negative but Champion needs to be in charge of the clipboard.

I said this on another thread, but Champion is not playing well enough to justify his getting the majority of the snaps. We need to be working Jenkins and Mosley in more to get them more experience and ready for next year. Last night they waited until the walls were caving in to give Mosley a drive. Give him a chance to establish a rhythm and THEN evaluate what he's doing. Don't wait until Champion has dug a grave for us to put in a backup.

If Zac is so much better than our other options at QB that it is too risky to put them in, then I think we need to be pulling some scholarships.
09-30-2007, 12:16 PM
Bigdog13

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by Brian96

I said this on another thread, but Champion is not playing well enough to justify his getting the majority of the snaps. We need to be working Jenkins and Mosley in more to get them more experience and ready for next year. Last night they waited until the walls were caving in to give Mosley a drive. Give him a chance to establish a rhythm and THEN evaluate what he's doing. Don't wait until Champion has dug a grave for us to put in a backup.

If Zac is so much better than our other options at QB that it is too risky to put them in, then I think we need to be pulling some scholarships.

That might actually be the case. I wouldn't be shocked next year if Mosely is a full time WR. Ensminger is our starting QB and a true freshman is second string with Jenkins on the third team.
09-30-2007, 12:20 PM
Brian96

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by Bigdog13

That might actually be the case. I wouldn't be shocked next year if Mosely is a full time WR. Ensminger is our starting QB and a true freshman is second string with Jenkins on the third team.

I find it hard to believe there is that much discrepancy, though. Last year (in mop-up duty, I realize) Mosley was very accurate. At this point I think working him into the lineup more might give us more of a passing threat.

I thought Florida did a good job utilizing two QBs last year, and they are reaping the benefits because Tebow was ready to pick up the reins this year. I am afraid we are putting all our eggs in a senior basket. That would be fine if he were playing well enough to make us title contenders and a good shot at a bowl game. At this point he is not. And we have not seen ANY indication so far that he is ever going to develop a deep ball. Someone asked last night: Has he even made one since "the catch" at Nebraska?
09-30-2007, 12:26 PM
Bigdog13

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by Brian96

I find it hard to believe there is that much discrepancy, though. Last year (in mop-up duty, I realize) Mosley was very accurate. At this point I think working him into the lineup more might give us more of a passing threat.

I thought Florida did a good job utilizing two QBs last year, and they are reaping the benefits because Tebow was ready to pick up the reins this year. I am afraid we are putting all our eggs in a senior basket. That would be fine if he were playing well enough to make us title contenders and a good shot at a bowl game. At this point he is not. And we have not seen ANY indication so far that he is ever going to develop a deep ball. Someone asked last night: Has he even made one since "the catch" at Nebraska?

I think Dooley is smarter than that. I don't believe he is playing Champion because he is a SR. He obviously doesn't like what he has seen so far in Mosley. That being said I am sure we will see more of Mosley as the year goes on. I honestly think the answer at QB is not on our roster right now. I am not against putting Mosley in at all. I am just not optomistic it is going to change much. Probably more TD's but also many more mistakes and Int's and in the end similar results. Can't hurt to give it try though at this point.
09-30-2007, 12:33 PM
Abominable Gorilla

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by 8411

trust me. he is there. he just needs to get a shot. he'll bring a winning attitude if given the chance.

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Originally Posted by Tech09

Hopefully Ross will get his shot in the near future. This offense needs a change of scenery at the QB position. I hate to be negative but Champion needs to be in charge of the clipboard.

I agree with the assessment Ross's attitude. He wants to win. In the spring game, he moved well in the pocket to setup the pass. My concern would be that we don't have the receivers for the offensive style that fits Ross best. I suspect that Ross doesn't have the arm strength of Champion or Mosley, but completing the short passes would be a major improvement.
09-30-2007, 12:34 PM
persnickety

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by Bigdog13

I think Dooley is smarter than that. I don't believe he is playing Champion because he is a SR. He obviously doesn't like what he has seen so far in Mosley. That being said I am sure we will see more of Mosley as the year goes on. I honestly think the answer at QB is not on our roster right now. I am not against putting Mosley in at all. I am just not optomistic it is going to change much.

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Probably more TD's but also many more mistakes and Int's and in the end similar results.

Can't hurt to give it try though at this point.

And you are basing this on what?? Your own speculations? That's not fair to Mosely........not at all.
09-30-2007, 12:36 PM
Brian96

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by Abominable Gorilla

I agree with the assessment Ross's attitude. He wants to win. In the spring game, he moved well in the pocket to setup the pass. My concern would be that we don't have the receivers for the offensive style that fits Ross best. I suspect that Ross doesn't have the arm strength of Champion or Mosley, but completing the short passes would be a major improvement.

For the record, Zac's problem isn't the short passes--except for the fact that he broadcasts them. The main problem is that there is literally ZERO reason for an opposing defense to believe he will complete a pass more than 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. That makes it very, very easy to beat us.

At this point, Mosley may not be as good as Zac, but he is at least an unknown factor for opposing D's.
09-30-2007, 12:37 PM
Bigdog13

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by persnickety

And you are basing this on what?? Your own speculations? That's not fair to Mosely........not at all.

Yes. And this is a message board I don't have to be fair. Why are people saying Mosley will do better?? Answer: Their own speculations.
09-30-2007, 12:38 PM
Bigdog13

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by Brian96

For the record, Zac's problem isn't the short passes--except for the fact that he broadcasts them. The main problem is that there is literally ZERO reason for an opposing defense to believe he will complete a pass more than 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. That makes it very, very easy to beat us.

At this point, Mosley may not be as good as Zac, but he is at least an unknown factor for opposing D's.

And that's basically what I have been trying to say.
09-30-2007, 12:55 PM
SkeeterDawg

Re: Where's Scelfo??

I would like to know if Scelfo, or Dooley, or anybody else could possibly teach Zac to throw the ball away if noone is open, instead of always losing 10-15 yds per sack. The offense might be a little more successful at 3rd and 3 instead of 3rd and 13!
09-30-2007, 12:56 PM
Brian96

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by Bigdog13

Yes. And this is a message board I don't have to be fair. Why are people saying Mosley will do better?? Answer: Their own speculations.

I'm not saying he WILL do better. I am saying if we are losing because of our QB play already then we lose nothing by giving the other guys a shot.
09-30-2007, 12:58 PM
Guisslapp

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by SkeeterDawg

I would like to know if Scelfo, or Dooley, or anybody else could possibly teach Zac to throw the ball away if noone is open, instead of always losing 10-15 yds per sack. The offense might be a little more successful at 3rd and 3 instead of 3rd and 13!

Everytime he throws it, he throws it away. :o:(
09-30-2007, 01:49 PM
DocMarvin362

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by T_Won

We could have Tim Rattay at QB and it wouldn't make much difference. Ya gotta have someone that can get open and then catch it if they do. But, it is time we let Champion start forcing some throws.

Now that might be the dumbest thing that I've ever read in my 4+ years on Barks and Bytes.
09-30-2007, 02:05 PM
persnickety

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by DocMarvin362

Now that might be the dumbest thing that I've ever read in my 4+ years on Barks and Bytes.

What's so dumb about it?? He's not criticizing Rattay's skills, he's criticizing what Rattay would have to work with. There are no Troy Edwards on this team.
09-30-2007, 02:37 PM
Abominable Gorilla

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian96

For the record, Zac's problem isn't the short passes--except for the fact that he broadcasts them.

Perhaps by "short passes" I should have said "medium range" passes.
09-30-2007, 03:00 PM
revf

Re: Where's Scelfo??

What is more evident to me is that Bick left this team in bad shape. We have some bad recruits who shouldn't be playing for intramurals much less in Division-1 ball. That being said the coaches called a decent game in the first half (ball control and field control) and then phoned in the second half. As Pers said in another thread we called Bick on the carpet for phoning in the second half, WE should also call Sceflo or Dooley or whoever else phoned in this game.

This game was WINNABLE, and we found a way to lose it.
09-30-2007, 03:01 PM
T_Won

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Quote:

Originally Posted by persnickety

What's so dumb about it?? He's not criticizing Rattay's skills, he's criticizing what Rattay would have to work with. There are no Troy Edwards on this team.

Thank you. Heck, we don't even have a Delwyn Daigre on this team. We need Josh Wheeler back NOW!
09-30-2007, 03:05 PM
T_Won

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Quote:

Originally Posted by revf

What is more evident to me is that Bick left this team in bad shape. We have some bad recruits who shouldn't be playing for intramurals much less in Division-1 ball. That being said the coaches called a decent game in the first half (ball control and field control) and then phoned in the second half. As Pers said in another thread we called Bick on the carpet for phoning in the second half, WE should also call Sceflo or Dooley or whoever else phoned in this game.

This game was WINNABLE, and we found a way to lose it.

They didn't phone it in in the second half... Fresno figured us out. We had 100 yards rushing in the first half and 2 in the second half. They simply took our strength away, and we couldn't make them pay for it with a good passing game. We tried... we threw 48 passes. But, we don't have the players right now to make a team pay for stacking the box. Every team will do it from here on out. Our coaches are going to earn their money this year trying to figure out a way to score points with no passing game.
09-30-2007, 03:18 PM
Dirtydawg

Re: Where's Scelfo??

I still say we can have a passing game that's focused on the tight ends. That'll open things up big time. It can be an intermediate passing game that will give the qb the ability to work out his deep ball.
09-30-2007, 04:58 PM
Designated Hitter

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by boxerdog

Don't me wrong, I think we should FIND A WAY to get Dennis on the field for the majority of plays. But, Champion cannot be relied upon to get the ball to anybody. The passes he completes are mostly guys that are uncovered. Obviously, there were several drops last night--with Livas leading the way--however, my point is WHERE Champion decides to throw the ball. He's always looking for the bail-out or overthrowing the long ball so that it won't get intercepted. The kid just isn't getting it done and I don't think Dennis can help him stop locking in on one receiver or looking to dump the ball off, he has to quarterback.

Check Dooley's comments on the game, he lays the offensive deficiencies at the feet of Champion. Quarterbacks deserve most of the praise and they deserve most of the blame.

I don't care who our QB is, if this play calling doesn't get better it really won't matter! Scelfo (sp?) or Saran Wrap or whatever you want to call him doesn't cut it so far and unacceptable. And before people jump on me for that, I am fully aware of many of our deficiancies in many areas and other teams have them too. I need to see a change by Saran Wrap rest of season to change defenses.
09-30-2007, 05:06 PM
DocMarvin362

Re: Where's Scelfo??

We called 20 rushing plays in the first half for 101 yards (not including the knee going into halftime)

We have the lead coming out of the locker roon and we called 6 rushing plays in the second half. 6 rushing plays!!! :furious3:

YES, they had 8 in the box. We also had runs on two of those plays of 6 yards and 17 yards (not counting Champion's run of 13 as that was a passing play).

YES, actually completing a pass would have helped, but we let THEM tell US what we were going to do. We did not IMPOSE OUR WILL on them. Hell, we didn't ATTEMPT to impose anything on them. WE HAD THE DAMN LEAD, and we let THEM dominate the rest of the game.

Here's another point: People keep saying that we had to pass the ball with 8 in the box. We had Wheeler injured, Joe Anderson injured, Shawn Simmons injured, Womack dropping balls, Livas dropping balls. Here's an idea. Bring in a 6th OLineman, drop a WR and cancel their 8th man in the box. 6 OL, 2 WR, 1 QB, 1 TE, 1 RB. You can run and throw from this formation just fine. It's the same as the 2 TE formation, but we have a OLineman blocking instead of the TE. Make it Rob McGill since we recruited him as a TE anyways.

We ran 3 wide almost the whole second half. We lined up D-Mo outside one time and I believe that we called a running play.
09-30-2007, 05:24 PM
altadawg

Re: Where's Scelfo??

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Originally Posted by DocMarvin362

We called 20 rushing plays in the first half for 101 yards (not including the knee going into halftime).

Couldnt agree more. In fact, we gave up on the run BEFORE halftime - even though we were having sucess.

We should have stayed with it. Old time football. Run, run, run, run, deep playaction pass(dont care if its completed). REPEAT!!
09-30-2007, 05:27 PM
Brian96

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Quote:

Originally Posted by DocMarvin362

We called 20 rushing plays in the first half for 101 yards (not including the knee going into halftime)

We have the lead coming out of the locker roon and we called 6 rushing plays in the second half. 6 rushing plays!!! :furious3:

YES, they had 8 in the box. We also had runs on two of those plays of 6 yards and 17 yards (not counting Champion's run of 13 as that was a passing play).

YES, actually completing a pass would have helped, but we let THEM tell US what we were going to do. We did not IMPOSE OUR WILL on them. Hell, we didn't ATTEMPT to impose anything on them. WE HAD THE DAMN LEAD, and we let THEM dominate the rest of the game.

Here's another point: People keep saying that we had to pass the ball with 8 in the box. We had Wheeler injured, Joe Anderson injured, Shawn Simmons injured, Womack dropping balls, Livas dropping balls. Here's an idea. Bring in a 6th OLineman, drop a WR and cancel their 8th man in the box. 6 OL, 2 WR, 1 QB, 1 TE, 1 RB. You can run and throw from this formation just fine. It's the same as the 2 TE formation, but we have a OLineman blocking instead of the TE. Make it Rob McGill since we recruited him as a TE anyways.

We ran 3 wide almost the whole second half. We lined up D-Mo outside one time and I believe that we called a running play.

That last one really had me baffled.

And you are right. It is not like we started passing to adjust to their defense. We threw nearly every down of the first series of the second half. That just makes no sense. YES, it would have been great to establish a passing game early in the second half (which I assume was the goal of gambling on all those passes) but it does NOT make sense to almost completely bail on the thing that was working so well in the first half.
09-30-2007, 05:43 PM
DocMarvin362

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Thanks Brian. Not to forget that the second drive in the second half was 3 straight passes and punt.

Why in the world did we got into panic mode when we had the lead 6-3??
09-30-2007, 05:47 PM
DocMarvin362

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Oh yea, and 6 of the 7 sacks came in the second half.
09-30-2007, 06:10 PM
Dawgmatic

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Scelfo calls the plays? Does Dooley have nothing to say about it?
09-30-2007, 06:11 PM
Cal&Ken

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8411

trust me. he is there. he just needs to get a shot. he'll bring a winning attitude if given the chance.

Who? He certainly is a sleeper if this is true.
09-30-2007, 06:12 PM
Dawgmatic

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cal&Ken

Who? He certainly is a sleeper if this is true.

Ross Jenkins.
09-30-2007, 10:43 PM
Tech09

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Heck, run the wishbone since we cannot pass or catch. 6 yards and a cloud of dust works for me while keeping the clock running rather than stopping with all of our incomplete passes.
10-01-2007, 08:00 AM
East Coast Dawg

Re: Where's Scelfo??

Lets face it fellows, We just dont have any playmakers. between over/under thrown, dropped passes and not beign able to line up and whup somebody we offer very little threat on offense. I think DD is building the base for the future by playing a lot of people especially freshmen. All that said I am still opptismistic about the future but if I hear one more time that ZC gives us the best chance to win, I'll throw up

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