Dogtor Evil's Gun Thread

In flashchat last Saturday, DE was talking about buying a handgun before the Obama administration is in place. I think the idea was for those of you who have experience to give advice to those of us who are considering becoming handgun owners.

Things I'm interested in personally are:

revolver v/s auto loader

Caliber preferences

Manufacturer preferences

Upkeep

Ease and cost of repair


I've been thinking for a while about getting a .357 for several reasons. One is that I don't plan on owning more than one handgun and this seems to be a good all-around caliber. A second is that it can safely shoot .38 special ammo which is cheaper and has less recoil. I also figure there is less to go wrong with a revolver than an auto loader.

Anyway, that's what I've been thinking. What do y'all think?

Well, I went to buy some ammo to take to the range where you can rent guns. 9mm was about half the price of the next cheapest thing. If practice makes perfect, I'm gonna practice more with a 9mm.

I have a Glock 9mm. With 3-17 round clips, I have 52 chances. I also have a 357 but its my backup.

Looking to get a 38 for walking around with.

I have a couple of each, auto and revolver.

If you plan to shoot it enough to get comfortable with it go with a double action auto. If you will only shoot it once every ten years get a double action revolver and forget it.

Auto's in order of preference

1 Sig, 2, Ruger (best bang for the buck, imo, 3 all the rest

Revolvers

1 Colt, 2 S&W, 3 Ruger, 4 all the rest. The Ruger SP101 is a nice piece.

If you go revolver go with a 357 for all the reasons you already mentioned.

If you go auto, 9mm is sufficient and ammo is cheaper. The 40 is a good choice and the 45 offers even more power, but may be more than you really need. The grips often tend to be bigger on the 45 because of the ammo size. If you have big hands that won't be a problem.

You should not have to worry about repairs to either, unless you do something very stupid.

I would say maintenance is a toss up.

I have a revolver and a semi-auto. I got the revolver (a Ruger GP100) in .357 Mag for the reasons you listed. It's nice, but it has a 6" barrel, so needless to say I'm not carrying it anywhere (I'd strongly recommend a shorter barrel -- unless you dress up as Dirty Harry for Halloween regularly). I carry the semi-auto sometimes, it's a Heckler & Koch USP Compact in 9mm. I'd recommend H&K in a heartbeat to anyone. Much nicer to shoot than the Glock I used to own, and as nice or nicer than the Sig's I've shot. It's a little pricey, though. I'm pretty happy with the 9mm; it's cheap to get range ammo, but there's good stuff with some stopping power out there for self-defense.

Upkeep and repairs are very simple on both, the semi-auto takes a little more time and effort to clean, but not a huge deal either way. I'd probably agree with rabid's assessment above; the semi-auto is more fun to take to the range, but the revolver can sit in the safe for years and I'd still trust it to shoot.

In my opinion (which is worth what you paid for it), in a revolver go .357. In an autoloader, there are lots of viable options. I chose 9mm because of the variety of ammo available, and the cost of being able to practice with it. I wouldn't go any smaller than 380 auto (and then only if you use it for concealed carry and it fits much better). Be careful with some of the less common ammo types -- 45 GAP is expensive to shoot at the range!

Above all I'd recommend finding a way to shoot what you're interested in before you buy it. Many gun stores with ranges in them will have a number (and variety) of rental guns you can try. Everyone's hand is a little different, and it can make a huge difference to your comfort shooting the gun. And if your wife is wanting to shoot/use/carry the gun, let her shoot it before you buy, too (and avoid the 44 Magnum).

.45ACP in a stainless 1911A frame...I have a 6", 5", and 4". The 4" will slip inside a waistband. Trigger pull and all mechanics are identical for each except the sight plane. I also have a Colt revolver in .357.

Me and my meager budget are looking at a S&W Sigma and some of the Rugers (P89 and P95 to be specific). Ammo price has me leaning real hard toward the 9mm. Not to mention that the sigma will hold 14+1 in a 9mm

Do you all keep them in a safe? I was thinking about getting a handgun as well but I am worried about where to store it because I have young children. I havent fired a handgun in years. My uncle used to take me to the range all the time when I was a kid. It was a lot of fun.

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Do you all keep them in a safe? I was thinking about getting a handgun as well but I am worried about where to store it because I have young children. I havent fired a handgun in years. My uncle used to take me to the range all the time when I was a kid. It was a lot of fun.

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I don't yet (my big guns that is...no hand gun yet), but I'll be buying a safe within the year. I don't have a ton of guns, so a stack-on 8 gun case should do the trick.

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Do you all keep them in a safe? I was thinking about getting a handgun as well but I am worried about where to store it because I have young children. I havent fired a handgun in years. My uncle used to take me to the range all the time when I was a kid. It was a lot of fun.

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Trigger locks, keeping the loaded clip seperate, and hiding places work.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

In flashchat last Saturday, DE was talking about buying a handgun before the Obama administration is in place. I think the idea was for those of you who have experience to give advice to those of us who are considering becoming handgun owners.

Things I'm interested in personally are:

revolver v/s auto loader

Caliber preferences

Manufacturer preferences

Upkeep

Ease and cost of repair


I've been thinking for a while about getting a .357 for several reasons. One is that I don't plan on owning more than one handgun and this seems to be a good all-around caliber. A second is that it can safely shoot .38 special ammo which is cheaper and has less recoil. I also figure there is less to go wrong with a revolver than an auto loader.

Anyway, that's what I've been thinking. What do y'all think?

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I would go with a quality double-action automatic. 9mm, hollow-point rounds. The second pick would be a stainless steel S&W J-frame which a snub-nose 5 round revolver.

If your main interest is practical home defense, forget about pistols and get a 20 gauge pump shotgun. Mossberg sells a "junior" model with a short barrel and short stock for $200. The sound of the loading mechanism of a pump shotgun will send any home intruder hightailing quicker than you can say jackshit.

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I would go with a quality double-action automatic. 9mm, hollow-point rounds. The second pick would be a stainless steel S&W J-frame which a snub-nose 5 round revolver.

If your main interest is practical home defense, forget about pistols and get a 20 gauge pump shotgun. Mossberg sells a "junior" model with a short barrel and short stock for $200. The sound of the loading mechanism of a pump shotgun will send any home intruder hightailing quicker than you can say jackshit.

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I'm really looking for a gun to take to the range. I've got a couple 12 gauges here in the closet.

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I'm really looking for a gun to take to the range. I've got a couple 12 gauges here in the closet.

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IN that case, I would get a long-barrel revolver, assuming that your main interest is in long-range target shooting.

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IN that case, I would get a long-barrel revolver, assuming that your main interest is in long-range target shooting.

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My main interest is playing the Matrix at the range...:D

Long-slide 1911!

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My main interest is playing the Matrix at the range...:D

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If that is the case, i like the auto loader. They don't have to be reloaded as often. Also, most of the maintainence issues will only occur if highly mistreated, or you get several 1000 rounds thru them. Any of your 1911 frames will work, if you are looking purley at range work, go for the longer barrel, if you think that you may ultimately use it in your vehicle (an extension of you home in LA, not sure about KY) maybe look at something that would be considered compact.

And don't forget ammo and extra mags. The first attack on gun rights is likely to be attempted as an executive order to reinstate the Assualt Weapons Ban. That would include high capacity mags (anything over 7). After that expect them to attempt a considerable increase in the tax on ammo. They figure if you can't get/or afford it, you want have it. I don't mean to hi-jack and have this go to politics, just reminding you why to get this stuff sooner than later. As for availablity, most of my wholesalers are running low or out of magazines. The better the mag, the worse the availablity.

Good luck.

I'd love a 911, but those things are expensive! I did find a Taurus 911 for under $500 online, but who knows what it would cost with shipping, FFL, and license fees.

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I'd love a 911, but those things are expensive! I did find a Taurus 911 for under $500 online, but who knows what it would cost with shipping, FFL, and license fees.

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Ask around at the range where you have been shooting. There is likely somebody that has an FFL, and will do the transfer for you under $20. As for liscense, we don't have to do that in LA, so have no idea what you are looking at in KY.

If you do find an FFL holder who will do the transfer for you, I would suggest looking at Gunbroker.com kinda a sportsmans version of Ebay. Have transfered several, with no trouble.

Academy routinely has the Taurus 1911 on sale in the $500 range...it is a steal due to all the features it has including Heine Sights.

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Academy routinely has the Taurus 1911 on sale in the $500 range...it is a steal due to all the features it has including Heine Sights.

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Those .45 rounds are pricey too! Of course, it would be nice to have a gun that's not plastic!

Maybe I'll move on up to the big boy rounds...:icon_wink:

The .45ACP is the finest round ever advanced by modern man! It will take most men off their feet at 50 feet, which allows one to focus on other potential doers of evil. The trigger pull is consistently the same, as is the sight plane. It is a very pointable weapon...oh, and racking the slide does tend to get the attention of anyone with half a brain!

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Do you all keep them in a safe? I was thinking about getting a handgun as well but I am worried about where to store it because I have young children. I havent fired a handgun in years. My uncle used to take me to the range all the time when I was a kid. It was a lot of fun.

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All of mine are in a safe with the exception of the snub nose SP101. My children are old enough and experienced enough that I worry less about what they might do if they find the pistol.

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Me and my meager budget are looking at a S&W Sigma and some of the Rugers (P89 and P95 to be specific). Ammo price has me leaning real hard toward the 9mm. Not to mention that the sigma will hold 14+1 in a 9mm

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I have a Ruger P95 DC and its a great range gun and it a good self defense weapon for my wife. Ruger makes their guns a little bigger but they are almost impossible to destroy.

9mm v. .45 is simply about take down power. Using a 9mm traditional round to an off center part of your target might not take them down, and if it does it probably didn't put them down considering the very compact and tidy wound. (for being shot) A .45 round anywhere on target will cause significant damage and put the down usually.

My buddies (military and law enforcement) prefer .45 and I understand why. Of course if you are truly shooting to kill once you are comfortable with the weapon a .380, .357, 9mm, or .45 should kill just fine.

We are preparing to add a csi/forensics class to our law academy here in Frisco and I spent some time over at the police station and the lab. The difference in wounds from the different rounds is pretty distinct. A 9mm is all most people would ever need.

I do also have a .45 sig and it's like a hand cannon compared to the ruger 9. The 9 kicks the shell on the floor, the .45 kicks them two stalls down the range. :)

So here's what I want to get:

a semi-auto shotgun (or two) - tactical
9mm pistol

What should I get?

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So here's what I want to get:

a semi-auto shotgun (or two) - tactical
9mm pistol

What should I get?

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I can't help you with a tactical shotgun...well, I know that Benelli makes them and I haven't had a single issue with my M2 that I duck hunt with. No issues regardless of the load I'm shooting which is something that some of my friends with Beretta's can't say (it's been a few years, that may have changed).

I think Mossberg and Charles Daly are making some cost effective semi-autos. There's a great Mossberg pump tactical package for around $500 that comes with a regular stock and a pistol grip.

For the 9mm, you can get a really good pistol for 5-600. My personal favorite is the Springfield Armory XD-9. The Smith & Wesson M&P series are getting great reviews and are around the same price. If you don't want a polymer pistol, I'd look at Beretta M9 or 92. If that's a little too pricey, you can look at the Taurus Beretta clones. Taurus bought the Beretta factory in Brazil. They seem to get good reviews and you can find one for about $200 less than what you will pay for a Beretta.

Glocks are great pistols...reliable as can be. I like the ones I mentioned because they have more safety features. I've got a small kid, so that's an issue for me. I'm on a budget, so I'm probably gonna end up with a Taurus PT92 or PT 24/7 Pro. There's also a PT 917 that's like a Beretta clone, but about a half in shorter barrel. I may go that direction too.

Ask Plexiglass how safe a Glock is in your pocket. :o

My brother in law is a reserve deputy and carries a glock when he has to. He said that many glock owners have the trigger lightend causing them to shoot themselves in the leg. I don't know if that is true, but I did hear that it was a glock Plaxico had in his pocket.

Remington Model 870 for the shotgun. The Taurus PT92 is OK, if you are into girly pistols. Real men tote Model 1911A's.

I would suggest a pump for your tactical shotgun. We keep one close by at home. Even if you have one in the chamber, you can shuck one, and no self respecting criminal will come toward that sound. The mossberg 500 was the tried and true version, but harder to find now. Look for an 870. Go to a pawn shop, and get a used 870. Less than $200. Then, go to Brownells.com and get the tactical stock and forearm. Add a tactical light to it, and you are done. I would recommend getting a surefire, with a pressure activiated switch. They will fully illuminate the target, as well as practically blind him/her allowing you to possibly get by without haveing to fire a shot. Also, as for ammo, look into some buckshot. The 870 will shoot 3", but 2 3/4 would be addequate in most instances.

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The Taurus PT92 is OK, if you are into girly pistols. Real men tote Model 1911A's.

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Well yeah...I thought the 9mm was for his wife...:icon_wink:

Now, if you want the best of both worlds...

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/13619

It's a pretty penny, but it's manly.

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Real men tote Model 1911A's.

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Cocked and locked too.

I knew I had read about a Texas Ranger that carried his 11's cocked and locked being the inspirtion for the Lone Wolf Mcquade movie. His name was Gonzaullas. This was in German so I had to translate it (actually google did).

Gonzaullas, whose life story inspired the action film "McQuade, the Wolf" and finally, even in Germany popular TV series "Walker, Texas Ranger" with Chuck Norris, His two Governments, he had already at that time sided with fuses equip and obviously they wore only preloaded in position "Cocked and locked."

thoughts?

http://www.academy.com/index.php?pag...357-01046-0003

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thoughts?

http://www.academy.com/index.php?pag...357-01046-0003

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I shoot one at the range and really like it. I would, however, go and hold one. For about the same price, you can get a Springfield Armory XD-9. I like the feel of the XD better and it has some bells and wistles the Glock doesn't have.

The XD has a 1911 angle and some folks like that better. I'd hold both of them and see if they'll let you pull the trigger. The break is cleaner on the XD.

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I shoot one at the range and really like it. I would, however, go and hold one. For about the same price, you can get a Springfield Armory XD-9. I like the feel of the XD better and it has some bells and wistles the Glock doesn't have.

The XD has a 1911 angle and some folks like that better. I'd hold both of them and see if they'll let you pull the trigger. The break is cleaner on the XD.

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this one?

http://www.academy.com/index.php?pag...357-02987-9101

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this one?

http://www.academy.com/index.php?pag...357-02987-9101

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That's the pistol, but that capacity looks wrong. I also found you a deal:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/32482

If I had that money to spend on a gun and I wanted a polymer gun, I'd get the XD. The Glock is a great gun too, I just like the feel of the XD better.

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I'd love a 911, but those things are expensive! I did find a Taurus 911 for under $500 online, but who knows what it would cost with shipping, FFL, and license fees.

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I like the pistol - but what is the purpose of the the vented trigger?

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That's the pistol, but that capacity looks wrong. I also found you a deal:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/32482

If I had that money to spend on a gun and I wanted a polymer gun, I'd get the SD. The Glock is a great gun too, I just like the feel of the XD better.

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will Cartek call me a girl for buying a 9mm?

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That's the pistol, but that capacity looks wrong. I also found you a deal:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/32482

If I had that money to spend on a gun and I wanted a polymer gun, I'd get the SD. The Glock is a great gun too, I just like the feel of the XD better.

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that is sweet.....

Two-tone anyone?

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/30989

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will Cartek call me a girl for buying a 9mm?

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Yes

You made a purchase yet? I'm gonna run up to the gun-shop and see what they'll give me for the deer rifle I never use. If you're still deciding, take a look at the Smith & Wesson M&P series. Supposedly ergonomically superior to Glock and the XD. It's in that price range.

Gun shop wouldn't give me jack for the deer rifle, but a buddy wanted to buy my 870. Since I got my Benelli, the 870 hasn't seen much action, so I sold it. With the cash, I paid for the better part of a Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm.

http://www.lipseys.com/eImages/M&P9.jpg

Yeah, Cartek won't be very impressed, but when Obama and Biden pass their ammo taxes, I'll still be able to shoot. I'll get a .45 or a .357 next in an attempt to get my man-card back.

So is the deer rifle still for sale? Is it the 270 wsm? What you want for it?

That's a good looking pistol.

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Happy you didn't go with the two-tone. Everyone would be calling you a girlyman. :laugh:

Nothing wrong with 9mm.

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My desire to poach in Winn Parish just went away.:icon_razz:

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My desire to poach in Winn Parish just went away.:icon_razz:

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Not to worry, maddawg; you know you my 32-Crew bud.

Poach Away in Winn Parish to your heart's content.

(BTW- I don't own any huntable property in Winn Parish.:icon_wink:)

The Mossberg Road Blocker is a scary weapon. I'd hate to be on the wrong end of it. Pistol wise, I'm buying a Glock 23 this weekend.

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Happy you didn't go with the two-tone. Everyone would be calling you a girlyman. :laugh:

Nothing wrong with 9mm.

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...depends on what's spitting the 9mm!

I'm kind of partial to my Sig 229 40 cal. Plus it helps that my brother hooks me up with free rounds anytime I make a trip to Louisiana.

Here is my latest addition. Savage in 17HRM. The 17 puts a 22lr to shame. :)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28...0/DSCF2774.jpg

more reason to get a CCL?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/op...illa.html?_r=1

WITH three Afghan government ministries in Kabul hit by simultaneous suicide attacks this week, by a total of just eight terrorists, it seems that a new “Mumbai model” of swarming, smaller-scale terrorist violence is emerging.

The basic concept is that hitting several targets at once, even with just a few fighters at each site, can cause fits for elite counterterrorist forces that are often manpower-heavy, far away and organized to deal with only one crisis at a time. This approach certainly worked in Mumbai, India, last November, where five two-man teams of Lashkar-e-Taiba operatives held the city hostage for two days, killing 179 people. The Indian security forces, many of which had to be flown in from New Delhi, simply had little ability to strike back at more than one site at a time.

A friend of mine did have a great deal on bulk .223 NATO ammo. I'll post if he gets some more.:rifle:

I received this by email today.

House Bill 'HR 45′

Are you ready for the House Bill titled 'HR 45, Blair Holt Licensing and Record Act of 2009′. It will make it illegal to own a firearm unless it is registered with the database in Washington D.C. As a gun owner you will have to be finger printed, you will be required to provide your DL#, SS#, you must maintain a valid address at all times, submit to mental and physical health records being put on file, you will also be required to file any address changes and any ownership changes even if private sale. Each update will cost $25 and if you fail to comply you will lose your right to own firearms. This bill and its language mirror almost completely one defeated last year in the House of Representatives by soon to be Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Will the citizenry be as lucky this time?

If anybody is interested I have 4 guns I have decided to sell. A Remington 12 guage, a Colt AR-15, Remington 270 and a Ruger 357. Just decided that I have too many different calibers. If you want more information send me a PM and I will tell you more about them.

Found a gun that only Cartek can handle.

http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ent=Pistol.flv

What you think? You man enough for a .60 cal?

I'll stick with 45ACP!

bought this one, 9mm

http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php

next up

http://www.taurusjudge.net/

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next up

http://www.taurusjudge.net/

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got it today

http://www.taurususa.com/products/pr...egory=Revolver

Good luck finding .45 LC.

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Good luck finding .45 LC.

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you have to know where to get it.....

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you have to know where to get it.....

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I don't have a need for it, but the local gun shop tells me its up by about 13 bucks a box from this time last year...when they can get it in (which isn't very often) It's killing those cowboy action shooters.

That .410 will be GREAT for defense.

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That .410 will be GREAT for defense.

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that's the reason I got it. I'll have some 45 on hand, but it'll stay loaded with 5 3" 410 shells.

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that's the reason I got it. I'll have some 45 on hand, but it'll stay loaded with 5 3" 410 shells.

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There's some interesting stuff about what load to keep in shotguns. There's a group that says #6 is all you need to do the job and you have no worry of penetrating walls and hitting someone you don't intend to.

Here's one that several posters here on BBB need to check out...

I have a NIB Glock 30 w/ all the usual stuff that comes with a Glock; it is a 10-shot compact model. It has never been fired.

I bought it because the store was going out of business and had it for sale at $500.00. A quick survey found that it was going at Academy for $60 more, Gander Mountain for $90 more, and my usual cheap priced gun store for $160 more.

I'll sell it for the $540 I have in it. I didn't buy it because I wanted or needed it...I bought it because it was an orphan that needs a good home!

Wish I had the cash Cartek!

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There's some interesting stuff about what load to keep in shotguns. There's a group that says #6 is all you need to do the job and you have no worry of penetrating walls and hitting someone you don't intend to.

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At point blank a target load/bird shot would probably do the job okay, too, but I wouldn't trust my (or my wife's) life to it. I use 3.5" #00 buckshot in my 12ga. I don't use slugs though, for the reasons you mentioned.

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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin

In flashchat last Saturday, DE was talking about buying a handgun before the Obama administration is in place. I think the idea was for those of you who have experience to give advice to those of us who are considering becoming handgun owners.

Things I'm interested in personally are:

revolver v/s auto loader

Caliber preferences

Manufacturer preferences

Upkeep

Ease and cost of repair


I've been thinking for a while about getting a .357 for several reasons. One is that I don't plan on owning more than one handgun and this seems to be a good all-around caliber. A second is that it can safely shoot .38 special ammo which is cheaper and has less recoil. I also figure there is less to go wrong with a revolver than an auto loader.

Anyway, that's what I've been thinking. What do y'all think?

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I have a Springfield XD 9mm. It has plenty of knockdown power if you put 2 shots center mass. If you want 1 shot to do it, bump up to a 40, but the bullets are more. It is a larger pistol, so tougher to carry concealed. I don't carry it for protection as much as killing snakes or putting down a deer when we are out hunting or scouting on our property, so the concealment is not an issue. For concealment, a Taurus 9mm is a great buy. This gun will easily fit inside your wastband in a holster. The XD is very easy to learn to use. It has a grip safety on the butt, so no button to push, you just squeeze.

I would pick an auto over a revolver, just because all 16 of my rounds will be out of the gun far more quickly than the 6 out of a revolver.

As far as shotguns go, shoot to kill. I keep mine loaded with 3 1/2 #4 shot Heavy Steel. Can't go wrong with a shell that will bring down a goose at 50 yards.

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Can't go wrong with a shell that will bring down a goose at 50 yards.

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Unless you live in a condo/apartment.

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Unless you live in a condo/apartment.

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Plus, if there is an invader in my house, the longest possible shot is about 10 yards.

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Plus, if there is an invader in my house, the longest possible shot is about 10 yards.

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For what it's worth, if there's an invader in my place he either stuck around despite setting off a 110dB alarm or snuck around the alarm and a dog. Either way, I assume he's there to do more than rob me after working so hard.

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Plus, if there is an invader in my house, the longest possible shot is about 10 yards.

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definitely just use the pistol then. no need for the shotgun unless you are shooting down a hallway in a shotgun style house. At that close you should be able to get the whole clip in his chest. The shotgun is really the best thing for shooing the invader the rest of the way out of the yard. Don't shoot him in the back, but do fire just over his head.

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I have a Springfield XD 9mm. It has plenty of knockdown power if you put 2 shots center mass. If you want 1 shot to do it, bump up to a 40, but the bullets are more. It is a larger pistol, so tougher to carry concealed. I don't carry it for protection as much as killing snakes or putting down a deer when we are out hunting or scouting on our property, so the concealment is not an issue. For concealment, a Taurus 9mm is a great buy. This gun will easily fit inside your wastband in a holster. The XD is very easy to learn to use. It has a grip safety on the butt, so no button to push, you just squeeze.

I would pick an auto over a revolver, just because all 16 of my rounds will be out of the gun far more quickly than the 6 out of a revolver.

As far as shotguns go, shoot to kill. I keep mine loaded with 3 1/2 #4 shot Heavy Steel. Can't go wrong with a shell that will bring down a goose at 50 yards.

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I am currently looking at the Springfield XD 9mm to carry with me while traveling for work and for the house. From what I have read it sounds like a solid gun and the one I will eventually buy. Thanks for your info.

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Here's one that several posters here on BBB need to check out...

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I wonder where I can get one of those for my ex-wife.

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I am currently looking at the Springfield XD 9mm to carry with me while traveling for work and for the house. From what I have read it sounds like a solid gun and the one I will eventually buy. Thanks for your info.

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I got a full-size pistol with hopes to carry it and for use in home defense. What I figured out is that it's too big for me to comfortably carry. I wish I had gotten a compact (like what Cartek is selling). It's plenty for home defense and easier to conceal. In fact, if you go with a Glock (probably true of S&W and SA XD), you can use the full-size mags in the compact pistols. So, you put a Glock 21 mag in Cartek's Glock 30 and you've got 13 rounds instead of 10.

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I got a full-size pistol with hopes to carry it and for use in home defense. What I figured out is that it's too big for me to comfortably carry. I wish I had gotten a compact (like what Cartek is selling). It's plenty for home defense and easier to conceal. In fact, if you go with a Glock (probably true of S&W and SA XD), you can use the full-size mags in the compact pistols. So, you put a Glock 21 mag in Cartek's Glock 30 and you've got 13 rounds instead of 10.

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Correct...but if 10 200gr JHP rounds won't put 'em down...I need a bigger gun!:)

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Correct...but if 10 200gr JHP rounds won't put 'em down...I need a bigger gun!:)

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8 rounds in a 1911 has done the job for nearly 100 years.

You damned right it has!

have added a 20Ga Remington 870 pump to the collection. Also, finally found some 45 long Colt rounds for my Judge.

Where'd you find the 45's? I can't find any!

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have added a 20Ga Remington 870 pump to the collection. Also, finally found some 45 long Colt rounds for my Judge.

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I just recently acquired an 870 pump as well. Notice, I said acquired. Apparently, it was left behind by whoever lived in the house I just moved into.

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I have a NIB Glock 30 w/ all the usual stuff that comes with a Glock; it is a 10-shot compact model. It has never been fired.

I bought it because the store was going out of business and had it for sale at $500.00. A quick survey found that it was going at Academy for $60 more, Gander Mountain for $90 more, and my usual cheap priced gun store for $160 more.

I'll sell it for the $540 I have in it. I didn't buy it because I wanted or needed it...I bought it because it was an orphan that needs a good home!

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I just saw this one today at Academy selling for $579 plus tax. At the College Station Gander Mountain, it was running $599 plus tax.

It is still NIB and only $540 with no tax.

My duty pistol is a Glock 22, I can honestly say that Glock is the best thing to happen to Law Enforcement since the Remington 870. Though my next gun is gonna be a O/U 12g shotgun. We are getting close to dove season.:icon_wink:

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My duty pistol is a Glock 22, I can honestly say that Glock is the best thing to happen to Law Enforcement since the Remington 870. Though my next gun is gonna be a O/U 12g shotgun. We are getting close to dove season.:icon_wink:

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Happen to have a nice 12 GA O/U for sale. PM me.

Just picked up my 45-70 Govt.. I bought it so I don't have to use my muzzleloader and clean it after every hunt. The bullets are scary-big. Anybody ever shoot one of these things and does anybody have any buffalo or elephants running around their back forty?

I'm looking at a used(Sheriff's Dept) Glock 22 selling at $330 with a 15rd mag and a new carring case... There are a few available. I'd like a nice 22 pistol for target shooting.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f9...HOWERGUN_2.jpg

"Light It Up" your way with a Texas Flashlight ?? :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YziEHop4E1s&NR=1

If anyone out here has a Thompson Center Contender, I have a few barrels I would like to sell. 357 Maxim, 22 Hornet, 218 Bee and 7mm TCU (223 necked up to 7mm).

I bought this from my Dad, I think he just bought barrels with no thought as to what he would do with them. I am keeping the 44 mag, 223 and 22lr.

I bought my MiL a 38 special today. Hers isn't working anymore.

http://www.academy.com/index.php?pag...358-03613-4211

If you apply for an Academy card you get an extra $50 off.

The conditions are that she can't shoot me, my wife, herself or anyone in the family....unless they're needing it.

I want an AR real bad...thinking about building it myself to save some coin.

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I want an AR real bad...thinking about building it myself to save some coin.

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I'd like to build one too, but I'm not sure which components to get.

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I'd like to build one too, but I'm not sure which components to get.

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There are places (del ton I think, just google it) that will send you everything but the stripped lower. Everything but the lower can be shipped straight to your house. You can get a stripped lower for less than $130. The kits are around $450 I think. Order two and put lightnin on a payment plan! ;)

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You are going to come out cheaper buying a complete rifle. Buy one and learn with it, then start the task of learning to build your own. Anyway, check CDNN or CMMG. CMMG has what they call "bargain bin" ARs that are really inexpensive. They should be more than adequate for what you need. While I have never purchased on from them, I have read nothing but positive reviews from everyone who has, and would not hesitate to buy one of I were in the market. Here is a link:

http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/...08862&cat=161&

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I've been saving up bass pro giftcards, hopefully I'll have enough to nab a S&W 642 snub .38 soon. I handled and shot one recently and thought it was nice enough to buy. They are easy to get in your pocket and they can fire through a pocket or purse without malfunctioning.

As far as safes go, for about 100 bucks you can get a winchester pistol safe with the 4 finger button combo. The best way to keep kids from shooting themselves is to teach them properly.

Take an old cantaloupe and the kids to the range someday and tell them "now this is what would happen to your head!"

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I've been saving up bass pro giftcards, hopefully I'll have enough to nab a S&W 642 snub .38 soon.

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A buddy of mine bought one last spring and he loves it. Prepare yourself though...it's not exactly a comfortable shoot. I still can't believe folks shoot .357 out of a snub nose that weighs about the same as the 642.

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A buddy of mine bought one last spring and he loves it. Prepare yourself though...it's not exactly a comfortable shoot. I still can't believe folks shoot .357 out of a snub nose that weighs about the same as the 642.

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I shot one and enjoyed it. It's not that bad after shooting my bro's 44 magnum - now that is a wrist-breaker.

I've tried my buddy's 454 Casull handgun for a few rounds. That was fairly awesome! I shoot a 357 snub and regular cop-length with regularity and don't find the recoil all that bad.

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Take an old cantaloupe and the kids to the range someday and tell them "now this is what would happen to your head!"

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One day I want to go out to a range with a truckload of water melon and my calipers and measure the exit hole diameters of various brands (and calibers) of ammunition at different distances. I've always wanted to do that.

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I've tried my buddy's 454 Casull handgun for a few rounds. That was fairly awesome! I shoot a 357 snub and regular cop-length with regularity and don't find the recoil all that bad.

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But you're the sausage king...you can't expect me to measure up to that level of manliness. My little P32 gives me real sore palms after 50 rounds or so.

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But you're the sausage king...you can't expect me to measure up to that level of manliness. My little P32 gives me real sore palms after 50 rounds or so.

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Notice I said a FEW rounds:icon_wink:.

Can soemone just give me a good basic build (upper and lower) (and why it's a good build) so that I can have a comfort level with what I'm ordering?

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