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The Upset Blog is reporting that BYU has agreed in principle to join the Big 12. Going on a search for legitimacy now.
I'm seeing a lot of smoke that the Big 12 is going to 14 and inviting:
BYU
TCU
West Virginia
Louisville
Cincinnati
What does it mean?
College football conferences will look strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Won
If so, Big East takes several east CUSA teams which I like. It would only leave Rutgers, Conn. and USF playing football. They would need ECU, UCF and Marshall to survive in football.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Won
I like this speculation for the new Big East:
USF
Rutgers
UCONN
UCF
ECU
Houston
SMU
Marshall
Memphis
Temple
CUSA loses 6 teams. Tulsa, UAB, Rice, UTEP, Southern Miss, and Tulane rebuild CUSA.
That is not an AQ conference. They are not going to keep that status.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Won
That being the case I don't know that Houston/SMU will want any part of that. I do agree that the Eastern CUSA teams and even Memphis (who would gravitate to the stronger BBall conference) would though. I could then see the MWC picking off a few of the Western CUSA teams. And there you have it. The CUSA leftovers, Tech and the stronger Sunbelt teams and that will be your new CUSA.
Hypothetically, if this happens, I see this following:Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Won
CUSA gets raided by the Big East. 3 out of CUSA and Temple to replace the BE defectors. CUSA fills their openings with us and probably MTSU and FxU.
One can hope.
Where are the guidelines on what makes an aq conference? I do agree that probably won't cut it, though. I think they take, at least, a couple from CUSA though. They will have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
The Big East would be left with three FB schools Conn, Rutgers, USF making it hard for them to back-fill. Right now they have seven.
You would have to think UTEP finally goes to the MWC if this is the case. And Utah State joins them.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Won
Projected CUSA:
Tulsa
Rice
UAB
Southern Miss
Tulane
La Tech
FIU
Middle Tennessee
North Texas
UT-San Antonio
I don't agree. I don't see SMU and Houston joining that group as a part of the Big East. Why fly out there if you aren't going to be AQ. And that group will lose that status. I think SMU/Houston or 1 of them goes to the MWC. If there are still 3 or more Texas teams in CUSA don't be shocked if UTEP wants to stay unless the MWC goes AQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Won
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Originally Posted by T_Won
I am thinking we would be in that footprint. What say you??
Unless somehow the Big East somehow keeps their status. I don't see them being able to do so. Not without also giving AQ status to the MWC.
I think they keep their AQ status initially. They really aren't good enough to be AQ right now, but they are. There's going to be a lot of politics involved. I think this is going to work out well for us though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
The only way it wouldn't is if the Big East dissolves and CUSA invites the remaing teams to move to what... 15 or 16 teams?
Wouldn't CUSA just absorb all the left over Big east schools and leave us out in the cold.
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Originally Posted by KSDAWG
this is what worries me.
This...Quote:
Originally Posted by KSDAWG
I don't see CUSA taking over the Big East left overs. The Big East will, probably, stay aq - because they already are and it would take a lot to take it away. They will add some teams and I think this is going to work out perfectly for us.
AQ status is not based on already having it. A conference of USF, Rutgers would not retain AQ status.Quote:
Originally Posted by champion110
Let me edit instead of adding an addition...
USF would probably move to CUSA
I can see Rutgers and UConn going to MAC, , Big East becomes "basketball only"
The toss up is UConn who probably wants to stay with their basketball bretheren, but would likely put football in the MAC
I guess it will all hinge on whether or not they are automatically stripped of AQ status or if they are allowed the opportunity to rebuild. Big 12 has been allowed to try to rebuild, so I guess the same would apply.
Yes. Schools will head to the Big East not the other way around. The Big East has AQ status so joining CUSA would be a massively stupid idea. I do agree that the Big East will hang on to it because it goes in cycles. But when the cycle ends they will not be anymore. Also this is what is holding up the MWC/CUSA football merger. The MWC still has a shot at AQ status because it goes in 4 year cycles and in December they are supposed to find out whether they have it or not. Odds are against it but it is not out of the question. IF they can get it they aren't going to merge with CUSA because they would be splitting money just for the heck of it. But if they do not get it they and CUSA are going to approach the BCS with the plan and see if they can get a seat at the table.
I know it isn't based on that (although, no one has posted what it is based on either). I am saying that there will be a LOT of politics to take it away.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
Totally agree....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
It goes in 4 year cycles so they would get credit for things that the departing schools did last year for instance. Unless they change the rules they don't just "take it away" although I highly doubt they can retain it very long because they weren't rated that high to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
Someone ask Reality Check he can articulate this better than I can.
Also Big East has been "on the verge" of loosing AQ status for years now because of on field performance. We all remember the top ranked Big East team far below both TCU, Utah, Nevada, AND Boise State.
I just don't see UConn, USF, Rutgers keeping AQ status. Politics or not...
I agree they are going to lose it in the next few years but you have to understand it is a cycle. It doesn't just poof disapear. Things that happened 2 years ago are still being measured into this. Also don't forget even though they picked up Boise, TCU and Utah left the MWC so their numbers might be heading downward as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by revf
http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=5126859
BCS Future Automatic Qualification Standards
Under the terms of the agreements with the bowls and television rightsholder, the ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-10 and SEC will have annual automatic qualification for their champions for the 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13 and 2013-14 seasons.
Results from the 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 regular seasons will be evaluated to determine whether a seventh conference earns automatic qualification for the 2012-13 and 2013-14 bowl games. The process is as follows:
*The evaluation includes the following for each conference (1) the ranking of the highest-ranked team in the final BCS Standings each year (if a conference does not place a team in the final BCS Standings, then its highest-ranked team is determined by the conference member that has the highest average ranking in the computer rankings used in the BCS Standings), (2) the final regular-season rankings of all conference teams in the computer rankings used by the BCS each year, and (3) the number of teams in the top 25 of the final BCS Standings each year, with adjustments to account for differences in the number of members of each conference.
A conference will become the seventh automatic qualifier if it finishes among the top six conferences in both No. 1 and No. 2 and if its ranking in No. 3 is equal to or greater than 50 percent of the conference with the highest ranking in No. 3.
*Further, a conference will be eligible to apply to the Presidential Oversight Committee for an exemption if it finishes among the top six in both No. 1 and No. 2 and if its ranking in No. 3 is equal to or greater than 33.3 percent of the conference with the highest ranking in No. 3, OR
If it finishes among the top seven in either No. 1 or No. 2 and among the top five in the other and if its ranking in No. 3 is equal to or greater than 33.3 percent of the conference with the highest ranking in No. 3.
No. 3 above, the "Top 25 Performance Rating," will be calculated as follows: Points will be awarded to the conferences based on their teams' finishes in the top 25 of the final BCS Standings each year. Points will be awarded as follows:
Teams finishing 1-6: 4 points for each team
Teams finishing 7-12: 3 points for each team
Teams finishing 13-18: 2 points for each team
Teams finishing 19-25: 1 point for each team
The point totals will be adjusted to account for the size of the conference, as follows:
Conference membership | Adjustment
12 or more members | no adjustment
10 or 11 members | points increased by 12.5 percent
9 or fewer members | points increased by 25 percent
*The computations will be made according to the conference's membership on Dec. 4, 2011.
Click here for additional covereage.
Have we let the Big East know of our interest in joining their conference? We'd have less travel than now and be in a much better conference.
If TCU, Louisville, Cincy, and WV go the the Big12 ...
The BE basketball schools will NOT fight to keep the football league alive.
UConn & Rutgers will get scooped up by the ACC or B1G.
USF will be left twisting in the wind.
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Originally Posted by Champ967
I can see that for sure. But that would only hurt F?U schools because USF would snatch up their spot in the east.
If so we are in the WeAC or Belch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
Unless the MWC expands and opens up a spot for us.
assume the big east is decimiated and left with 3-4 teams.
what effect does big east basketball revenue (units) have on the remaining football teams desire to stay in the conference (and push for keeping football alive)?
in other words, wouldn't USF/Rutgers/UCONN want desperately to stay in the Big East as opposed to jumping to CUSA for financial reasons?
I would think so but convincing the basketball schools to accept a bunch of second tier football schools is sketchy at best.
No one else is stating anything about BYU and the BIG 12
FWIW, I agree with your above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
I would sure hope so but you never know with our guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by LT
done deal, methinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geaux Dawgs
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Originally Posted by Geaux Dawgs
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/8...move-to-big-12
Not a prayer.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSDAWG
If this Big-14 comes to fruition, Big East football is dead. CUSA would take in the leftovers, and look for one more to make 16. Probably Temple.
Who knows? At this point, UCONN might go back to FCS just to stay in the Big East for basketball.
Mark my words: WAC (including us) and Sunbelt will merge. Now excuse me while I go and throw up.
I don't think BYU comes aboard to fly to the east coast.
Why not? Apparently the money was there for TCU to be willing to do it...and I bet there are LDS church members in the east.Quote:
Originally Posted by zharkins
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
Are you saying BYU wouldn't join the BE or BYU wouldn't join a Big12 that had a couple of East Coast members?Quote:
Originally Posted by zharkins
You might be right about the Big East but they would and apparently have joined the Big12 and as long as the conference has most of it's members in the Midwest/Southwest I don't think they would care one iota about flying to Cincinatti or WV once in a while. They have plenty of money.
I'm really getting nervous......what needs to happen for us to go to a better conference (i.e. CUSA, MWC or CUSA/MWC merger)?? Does that determination now solely rest on the shoulders of the Big East and who they add to that conference? Or are there other conferences who can still shake things up at this point? Big XII?
Whatever is gonna happen, it's gonna happen soon! And we will know are fate before seasons end!!
Big East ToastQuote:
Originally Posted by T_Won
CUSA/MWC merge
WAC/Sunbelt merge
Latech to CUSA/MWC
11 in 8 out. I don't eat crow.
Like any good math teacher I want you to show your work. :icon_wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by tylerdawg
Curious how in that scenario you realistically have Tech in the CUSA/MWC merger.
Also I want to make sure that most of you who might not have been following this too closely realize that the CUSA/MWC "merger" isn't really a merger in the traditional sense of the word. Most scenarios have both conferences operating just like they do now and remaining totally independent of each other except when it comes to football. They have also suggested pooling resources for more negotiating power with the TV contracts as well.
As far as footbal goes most that I have seen show them operating the same as usual except they pit their two champions against each other with the winner going to a BCS bowl. I have more recently seen people speculate as to some football scheduling alliance as well and a football corporation being formed but that hasn't been as widely discussed.
Utah St and UTEP join the MwC and we get into CUSA
maybe a freudian slip.....Quote:
Originally Posted by KSDAWG
Damn iPhone and autocorrect.
The MWC is not going to get automatic full BC$ status since it will not finish in the top 6 in average computer ranking in the 2008-2011 period. It likely will meet the criteria to petition the Presidential Oversight Committee for an automatic bid, but the only legitimate chance of being granted the bid would require TCU to stay MWC.
What will change their mind about not wanting to be in the MWC?Quote:
Originally Posted by KSDAWG
The MWC-CUSA merger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
They'll still have a connection to the other TX schools for fball, and wont have to travel to the east coast for their other sports.
Only a couple of those scenarios have it as an actual merger. Most scenarios/speculation just involve football only where the two conference champions play each other and the winner gets a BCS bowl bid, and then they will share TV revenue with each other. Some say just for the championship game and others for the entire TV contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967