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Brett McMurphy (@McMurphyCBS)
10/2/11 4:33 PM
Big East Presidents voted to authorize Commissioner to aggressively pursue discussions w/select no. of institutions ... in joining league
I have a feeling AFA is gonna be headed East this week.
I just pray that somehow UTEP replaces them instead of USU. Not likely but a man can dream.
These days, all we've really got are dreams and the thought that there's "always next year"...:bigcry::DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
If the Air Force Academy goes anywhere, it will be to the Big12 in a package deal with BYU.
Don't be so sure about that. Don't be shocked if you see all 3 academies in the Big East soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbone1
That ain't happening in my lifetime, and I ain't going anywhere anytime soon!!! We'll just have to see who they'll target. Hopefully, Houston gets courted by Big 12 & Big East?? Who knows??Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
Why do you think there have been so many rumors about them targeting the service academies?? Often where there is smoke there is fire. Not saying it is going to happen. But it isn't a reach by any stretch of the imagination.Quote:
Originally Posted by DQDawg
Let's send the Big Least a postcard stating: "Pick me! Pick me!"
....only, refrain from referring to it as the Big Least. They might not like that.
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Originally Posted by dawg80
Smart thinking!
A source with knowledge of the meeting told ESPN.com's Andy Katz that the Big East did not issue any invitations Sunday. The source said a number of schools were discussed, including Navy, Army, Air Force, Temple, Central Florida and a new name in SMU, which would be a natural rival with TCU if the Horned Frogs honor the commitment to join the conference in 2012-13. All of these schools except Army and Navy would join the Big East for all sports.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...ast-conference
Again, not saying it's happening but it is most definitely being considered and is certainly possible.
So a SMU move would be the Ideal outcome, because it opens up the CUSA West spot, correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
SMU is supposedly one of our current CUSA allies and the school keeping UNT out of CUSA. UNT would likely be selected over us w/out SMU and the Metroplex market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Festus
Could get UNT into the picture though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Festus
Honestly IMO the very best would be UTEP and then Houston. I have a feeling if it was an Eastern school like ECU we might not be CUSA's first choice as a replacement.
SMU going to the Big East would be a worst case scenario. North Texas would likely be an automatic replacement for SMU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Festus
Echo up in here
Guys, we are not getting into Cusa.......
Then where are we going?Quote:
Originally Posted by faninmonroe
Nowhere. We're like the last girl available that doesn't get asked to dance.Quote:
Originally Posted by HUGETechfan
No where. We're the last girl without a date who doesn't get invited to dance.Quote:
Originally Posted by HUGETechfan
DR and BVDV are in discussions about chartering a new conference on the moon.Quote:
Originally Posted by HUGETechfan
Separation!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Our PR strategy to the conferences seem to be "we don't sweat much for a big old fat gal, so wanna dance?"
One thing to keep in mind. TCU will do everything in its power to keep SMU out of the Big East, the same way USF will do everything in its power to keep UCF out, as well. That's why Houston and ECU - in that order - will likely be the compromise candidates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
In the end, nothing has really changed over the past 18 months. Tech's fate depends on the Big East surviving as a football league after its raided. Other leagues have to expand slowly enough in order for the Big East to keep its head above water.
Yeah this thing is far from settled. I don't know why so many people are freaking out. Still several scenarios, hypotheticals, movements, alignments, etc to shake out.
This is right on the money. I love looking at the scenarios and discussing the possibilities, but this is going to take a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by HUGETechfan
It's being considered the same way the Big 12 was considering Notre Dame, Arkansas, and BYU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
The academies will be approached, but the question is whether or not they will say yes. Air Force would need to make arrangements for its non-FB sports. Navy has already said it's questionable with the lack of stability in that conference and their current commitments. Army is... well, of dubious value without the other two.
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Originally Posted by HUGETechfan
Going to see the River Walk. I haven't been there since some time in the 60's. Looking forward to it :icon_wink:.
I disagree. To compare Navy or Air Force to the Big East to Notre Dame or Ark. to the Big12 is a reach at best. Any of the service academies joining the Big East is 10 times more likely than Notre Dame giving up Indy or Ark leaving the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by parialex
I meant comparable in terms of dynamics (it's what the conference wants, not what is likely to happen), not in terms of likelihood. I agree that that Navy and Air Force is less unlikely. But at this point I don't see it being very likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
The academies don't work the same way that UH and LaTech do. Different priorities and different levels of potential.
One burger too many has very good contacts with AF insiders.Quote:
Originally Posted by DQDawg
Regarding SMU... I have difficulty believing that they would do TCU like that, even if TCU doesn't get the invite. I also have to think that TCU makes SMU somewhat redundant. The fact that they are in the same metro is not in itself the worst thing, but they're both of a very similar profile. Hopefully this is not wishful thinking on my part, as losing SMU would be pretty devastating to UH. And, as others point out, it wouldn't be good for you, either. UNT would become a very viable replacement.
I still think UTEP belongs in the MWC, geographically at least. If that happens that opens up a slot for us. But see this is what I'm talking about.....there are so many hypotheticals, scenarios, future movements, dominos yet to fall, etc. I wonder when the last "domino will fall"? Will it be like July/2012? Or sometime before then? This movement thing in conferences is killing my nerves. I'm ready for some CERTAINTY.
The only way we have a shot at ANY expansion is that CUSA has to have MULTIPLE schools.
From what I have seen or heard, our plan consists of "waiting and praying"
We will be the champion every year because we will be the only member... :icon_wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Yeh but the travel costs are going to eat us alive!:icon_wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by EJ
The moon....cool venue. How do you get 28,000 people there?
Run shuttles from downtown Ruston.Quote:
Originally Posted by HUGETechfan
(I'm thinking church vans.)
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by parialex
Bigdog, I know ANYTHING is possible (well, almost). But the Service Academies have a tendency to shy away from conference commitments (I know AF is in MWC before somebody says it), I have heard that AF didn't want to add Boise in the Mountain UNLESS the MWC went all the way to 2 divisions with a playoff system. With 9 teams, they're committed to 8 conference games, add Army and Navy, that leaves 2 slots for "additional national exposure" which they WANT more of. Granted, all 3 may head to another conference which will solve the "additional national exposure" problem, BUT let's face it, Army don't bring much to the game although going to Mitchie is fun. Navy didn't bring much in the past until the current group of coaches showed up.
We'll see. A 2 division grouping with a conference championship would fit all 3. AND I was just popping off about "never in my lifetime". You see, I'm getting OLD, OLD.
Regarding SMU/TCU Big East check this out!
"SMU has had a lot of help from us over the last three or four years to improve their program," Patterson said. "I don't' appreciate being treated the way it is; that's how we got reciprocated. We're going to go on about our business, but they're not going to get the same help anymore -- not about a ballgame, not about conferences, not about anybody. They're getting no help from Gary Patterson, period.
"They shouldn't ask me at SMU about going into a conference, they shouldn't ask me about how they play, they shouldn't ask me about their players, they shouldn't ask me about anything because they're not getting any help, period, any more. Because we've bent over backwards to make sure that they can improve their program because I believe that's what you do."
Patterson then added further fuel to his fire.
"To be honest with you, SMU people have been looking down at TCU for a long time over here," he said. "So, us winning and doing things, the older group of alumni around here have a certain feeling about SMU. I didn't have that feeling, but I'm getting it."
http://espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/story/...mustangs-again
I hear you. This stuff has just been so crazy lately that I'm not willing to dismiss anything yet. Nothing seems to make sense anymore!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DQDawg
Backs up what I stated earlier about there is no way TCU lets SMU in the Big East. AND, there is no way the Big East is going to upset TCU right now while everything is fluid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
Hope Patterson is right...SMU could be the dagger for us. Meanwhile, Louisville radio is reporting that an announcement about the Big 12 is imminent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
What Champion110 and I, as well as very few others, have been saying for years! TCU and SMU will not mix nor be in the same conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
Patterson is famous for taking very small comments and blowing them up for his advantage. If SMU does get invited to the BE TCU would like to be seen as the program that "helped" SMU. The only way that comes to light is for Patterson to blow up like he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by champion110
It would not suprise me one bit for SMU and June Jones to publicly make some form of an apology or at least a statement. I guarantee June Jones did not mean to slight TCU nor did he know how Patterson felt about the comment until the article was published. I will all but guarantee this is a suprise to June Jones.
Patterson is a master at using small comments to his advantage.
He also went on to say that TCU's AD might help them, but Gary Patterson the HC won't help them...Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Looks like SMU is under SERIOUS consideration -
TCU will be looking for "an out" the second SMU gets there if it happens at all. Just look at the last 15 years of history. Better yet go talk to older TCU and SMU grads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
Just my opinion, but this article make TCU's Gary Patterson look petty and arrogant. It's almost as if he really thinks he should be revered and respected above all others. Maybe the Rose Bowl win and his success has gotten into his head.
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If anything, the events of the last year point out the fact that HISTORY doesn't mean ANYTHING, NADA NOTHING - whether its 115 years or 15 years....Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
I think they are because the MWC is considering them. The BE needs to add schools that will maintain their AQ status. The MWC is on the BE's heels right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
If SMU and Houston bolt to MWC and BE adds ECU and Central Florida and looses either TCU or West Virginia their AQ status is about toast.
BE is in survival mode for their AQ status.
If TCU feels like the BE can maintain AQ status they want nothing to do with the B12. Don't ya'll find it odd that TCU is not beating down the doors of the B12?
TCU has found a great niche in Texas recruiting without having to play the "Big Boys of A&M and UT".
Trust me if they don't have to play OU, UT, OSU, TTU, Mizzou to achieve AQ status they won't.
TCU is about TCU if adding SMU to the BE will maintain AQ status they will do....because it benefits TCU. They would also like to make it appear that they "helped" SMU unlike UT, OU, TTU, and Baylor did for them. Gary Patterson is all about TCU being the underdog.
That is correct and the BE would be stupid not to know that. TCU will lose the separation that they have worked so hard to achieve, if they are in the same conference. Why would the BE take that chance? SMU would not be a good addition, anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
I agree.......Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
What got Patterson so riled up?
He was mad about some bad calls anyway (got beat by SMU), but then Jones was his usual classless self at the presser and made a comment that implied TCU was easy to prepare for. Also, the player who was at the presser said he didn't like TCU people.Quote:
Originally Posted by parisdog
So far . . . the Big East sucks at aggressive pursuit.
With TCU going to B12, no way will SMU go to BE. Don't think they will go to MWC either. MWC will be looking to add any team that could allow them to qualify to replace BE as an AQ. Big East is caught between a rock, teams wanting to leave, and a hard place, no good teams willing to take a chance on the conference. Their only chance to survive is a hard commitment on the part of the remaining teams to stay for the long run and convince a team or teams with Boise or greater rating to join. And they have to do that very fast.
Once again, things are in the hands of the ACC, SEC, and Mizzou I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapdawg
We need Mizzou to not be invited to the SEC.
We need the Big12 to stay pat with TCU.
We need the ACC to be content with the markets they have stolen from the BE so far.
We need the BE to not give up on AQ status (yet) by taking CUSA teams to tide them over.
Big East isn't losing its automatic BC$ bid in this 2008-2011 cycle and MWC isn't getting the 7th bid unless TCU doesn't go anywhere (that isn't happening).
So the Big East then has to worry about the 2010-2013 cycle.
This guy is typically pretty good.
PeteThamelNYTPete Thamel by TheUpsetBlog
After talking to 2 more Big 12 folks: They're going to wait for Missouri decision. Decide then where to go from 9/10. BYU/LVille/WVU in play
PeteThamelNYTPete Thamel by TheUpsetBlog
A 10-team league isn't a final destination. More of a place to tap breaks when/if Mizzou decides. TV/Money input becomes important then.
They are supposedly meeting again tomorrow...
The SEC is supposedly having a lot more problems and issues with the 13 team schedule than they anticipated. If this keeps up they will go to 14 a lot quicker than was anticipated. Likely with Mizzou.
Big East continues aggressive pursuit:http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/in..._of_addin.html
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The Big East is on the verge of completing expansion plans that will see Boise State and San Diego State added for football only and SMU, Central Florida and Houston joining as all-sports members, possibly by the end of this week, according to two leading college officials.
I wish LA Tech would pound the crap out of TCU in the Poinsettia Bowl, and then petition the Big East for membership. I really do. With SMU, Boise & Houston in the BE, I truly believe we could be happy there.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
HD
The title of this thread probably needs to be renamed "passive-aggressive pursuit"....:laugh:
San Diego St in the Big East? I know they are football only, but they aren't even that good
Could you please leave the disrespectful, yet logical thinking at home please? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawgmatic
......and talk about being out on an island....San Diego is a long way from everybody! I'm not sure I would do this if I was SDSU. At least LA Tech would be close to SMU & Houston.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelboi
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I guess you can say San Diego is east of New York inQuote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
They are not that good, but San Diego is a much larger market than Ruston. The move would be horrible for the fans who like to travel, but it would make financial sense for both SDSU and the Big East. The Big East would add a large market and west coast exposure, while San Diego State would profit from the Big East's monster TV deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
The only way that LaTech can ever catapult themselves into a position to negotiate with an AQ conference is to win 11 or 12 games a year on a regular basis, including a big name every now and then, thus becoming a household name. Boise has succeeded at doing this. I hate to use them as an example because I hate them, but that is the reality of college football. If winning that many games means recruiting thugged out juco players for the next 4 or 5 years, so be it! We can change our approach once we reach the promised land. LOL :)
If the Big East doesn't get an automatic berth to the BCS, then why would Boise or SDSU go? Or even Houston and SMU for that matter? The Big East is turning into a glorified CUSA.
I will believe BE expansion after it happens, until then it is a lot of hot air and smoke and mirrors...Quote:
Originally Posted by RealityCheck
Basketball schools don't care, and football schools are all trying to get out...
A guy that works for me is the son of a former Rutgers football player and big donor... says that Rutgers and UCONN are days away from accepting ACC invites. If true, Big East is dead.
This is just a guess, but it could be because of the current TV deal in place with the Big East. It is much more lucrative than what the MWC or CUSA has to offer. Perhaps each of the above named schools feel that at least they can get some water from the well before it runs dry. Furthermore, if the Big East miraculously stays together, then even better for them. Adding quality markets such as San Diego, Houston, and Dallas, the large following of the military academies, and the newly household name of Boise State may just be the right ingredients to keep the Big east afloat. It has much more to do with money and potential market expansion than it does quality football teams. Trust me, the BCS won't base its decision on the competitiveness of the teams within the conference first and foremost. They will listen to the networks and base their decisions on what will bring in the most revenue. If the networks convince them that these teams will improve tremendously due to their newly found AQ status and large markets, the Big East is not going anywhere. They will simply just force feed us these teams until they become household names.Quote:
Originally Posted by dfwdog
i doubt it. the NCAA and others have indicated there could be big changes in the BCS soon. this may include severely limiting ND's special exemption. if that happens, ND will join the ACC.Quote:
Originally Posted by mildawg
no way does the ACC fill ND's spot in the conference with Rutgers.
yes, this deal has dragged on for so long, it has lost its steam; however, the extreme significance remains.
the little bit of news that has leaked on this subject in the past couple of weeks indicates that Air Force and Navy are even more shaky on jumping to the BE, especially with the rumor of major changes in the BCS system. Good news is that it seems the CUSA trio and Boise are gone regardless.
Good news if you believe the alliance will include us.:icon_wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by 1L_dawg
ithe good news is that we have a chance to be included in the alliance/merger. Without movement in CUSA, we simply sit in this soon to be awful conference that is the WAC without even a hope of getting out.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
Then the panic stricken fans will begin to scream about us needing to join the Sunbelt...Quote:
Originally Posted by 1L_dawg
It will.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
If I type "Alliance" you Gary get a notification don't you?:icon_razz:Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
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Originally Posted by maddawg
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Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
And the word "merger".Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
It's 2963 miles from Hartford Conn. to San Diego. That's 7-8 hours of sitting on a plane. San Diego State has hardly been competitive in the MWC, they'll really suck in the Big East-West.
And we all remember who THOSE guys are........:icon_wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by maddawg
HD
and "mid-major"........... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
Looks like the trigger on expansion is being pulled - http://www.boston.com/sports/college...t_ready_2.html
Guess the football field isn't the only place where big east aggression is difficult to detect.
McMurphyCBS Brett McMurphy
BREAKING: Sources tell @CBSSports Big East will add Boise, San Diego St, Houston, UCF, SMU Wednesday. Will join league in 2013
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Originally Posted by Tech78
Clearly the writer intended to say "in the BCS" instead of "in the Big East".Quote:
The move to join the Big East by Boise State and Houston was accelerated this weekend when both schools, who had a combined record of 22-2 were not chosen as at-large teams in the Big East because they did not come from a conference which had automatic qualifying status.
HD
CUSA now at 9 for all sports. MWC now at 7 for all sports & 8 for fball.
Wonder where Bwaz & SDSU will put their other sports ... ???
Are they going to stop at 10?
Reports earlier today said other sports for SDSU likely headed to Big West. BW does not want Boise who is now working on deal with WAC.
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Originally Posted by maddawg
Yes we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Please, God, shift UTEP west, and have CUSA invite LaTechQuote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
Attachment 8382
The UTEP AD was interviewed a couple of weeks ago and said they would likely be shifted West. He said without SMU and Houston in the conference he has no problem with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckK3
That's pretty big news from our vantage point. You got a link?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...ing-conference
Its official!
Boise, SDSU, SMU, HOU, UCF are big east bound!
Announcement Wed.
So, that means there is potentially one (1) spot available if the CUSA-MWC Alliance decides to join forces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
If not, there will be 3 spots available in the new "post Houston" CUSA (not counting any movement by UTEP), and potentially 5 spots available in the new "post Boise" MWC. Both scenarios assume each conference wants to get to 12.
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