I love how so many of the MSM and Schumer are saying the firing was unjustified, yet as recent as last week, they were calling for his firing, and it was his fault and the Russians that Hillary lost the election.
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I love how so many of the MSM and Schumer are saying the firing was unjustified, yet as recent as last week, they were calling for his firing, and it was his fault and the Russians that Hillary lost the election.
I love how the campaign Trump lauded Comey over the things he is now firing him for. Trump has never met a flip flop he doesn't like!
"That was so bad what happened originally, and it took guts for Director Comey to make the move that he made in light of the kind of opposition he had where they're trying to protect her from criminal prosecution," Trump said at a Michigan campaign rally.
"It took a lot of guts."
"What he did, he brought back his reputation - he brought it back," Trump said.
"He's got to hang tough because a lot of people want him to do the wrong thing. He did the right thing."
What I see is an FBI that has been politicized by the left much like the IRS was politicized, and this is just draining the swamp. Hopefully someone impartial will take his place, and do the job they are supposed to do.
Besides that, the whole time line where:
1) Loretta Lynch was on the plane with Bill Clinton secretly discussing "grandchildren";
2) Loretta Lynch refused to recuse herself but said she would follow whatever was recommended by the FBI because of the meeting with Billy.
3) Comey coming out a little while later and stating Hillary had been very free and easy with classified info, but he would not recommend prosecuting her. Gee, I wonder if Loretta and Comey spent some time discussing "grandchildren" as well. Is it the FBI's responsibility to not only investigate but to decide what gets prosecuted given the finding of mishandling of classified information?
4) Now we have an e-mail stating that Loretta Lynch was making sure that the investigation would not go too far, which smacks of collusion between her and Comey.
Obama showed what could be done when you use the full force of the federal government as a weapon against your political enemies. I certainly hope that gets corrected.
Comey is an idiot He's an idiot independent of who happens to be POTUS. No matter what you may think of obummer or Trump, Comey is still an idiot.
Krooked Killary is guilty (that's "is" not "was" since she is still guilty) of violating federal law Re: national security secrets. Comey knew that, and knows that now. But he protected Killary for political reasons. If there had been a real AG at the time, that AG would have come down hard on Comey. The FBI is a law enforcement agency. Its role is to gather evidence against criminals and then turn that evidence over to the AG. Comey declared himself "cop" and "prosecutor" and even "judge and jury" with that asinine crap of not wanting to influence an election. Killary IS GUILTY....PERIOD!
And Comey is UNEMPLOYED!
BTW....watch where he ends up. Probably on George Soros' staff.
The optics of this look bad. Trump was singing the guys praises (I mean, he did help get the man elected by saying they were investigating Hillary even though they later could not find the evidence to show she committed a crime. Also, he has admitted the FBI was investigating improper dealings between Trump hacks and Russia but didn't decide to disclose that during the campaign). But then Comey admits he is leading an investigation into Russian interference and the ties to some people that were on Trump campaign, and the guy gets canned.
If that doesn't bother conservatives, then you have truly lost your principles and have no credibility anymore.
Russian interference in the election...:laugh:
Killary got REJECTED by true-blue Americans! Period. End of story.
You libtards just have to deal with reality for a change.
TRUMP IS PRESIDENT!!!
(I'm not a Trump fan, but his mere existence so irks libtards I'm enjoying this...)
This is despotic behavior.
Attack the courts and the media. Eliminate your critics and those that attempt to hold you accountable to the rule of law. Identify enemies that align with prejudice of your political base. Spread lies and misinformation through propaganda channels.
If your sheeple continue to rally around you, keep pushing the boundaries until no one can check your power.
Humanity has seen this story played out before. One of the things that I have always struggled to grasp is how a reasonably educated, economically prosperous, cultural society could allow Hitler to amass the power and do the destruction that he did. Always wondered - if that happened then and there - could that ever happen here and under what circumstances? As I watch this play out and see some of my fine alumn colleagues champion and enable these patterns all because the guy claims to represent their party - I have to wonder, at what point do you dissent?
As soon as you mention Hitler, you lose. All the hand wringing in the world will not make this like Hitler, Watergate, the e-mail scandal, the IRS scandal or any of the other high-level scandals in history.
It is not despotic behavior. Comey was incompetent. All the investigations that are ongoing will continue to be ongoing. The head of the FBI does not run the country, and he knows nothign more than the department as a whole already knows (except for maybe what deals he made with Lynch about the Hillary investigation). The fact that you think an incompetent staffer is untouchable is pretty banana republic thinking.
The sheeple were the ones lining up behind Obama, including the media. They also lined up behind Hillary. Your perspective is hazy.
Thus far, there has been no credible evidence of Trump colluding with the Russians, and I believe that whole issue was born of "lies and misinformation" spread through "propaganda channels", and this plan was hatched before Trump took office in order to hamper his presidency. If he was indeed colluding with the Russians, he will pay the price for that, and it will be discovered by the many investigations that are ongoing. I hope they start investigating Comey and the previous administration....maybe a special prosecutor is appropriate there.
When did Comey say there was no evidence of collusion?
At Monday’s hearing, Clapper noted that it was standard policy for the FBI not to share with him details about ongoing counterintelligence investigations. And he said he had not been aware of the FBI’s investigation of contacts between Trump associates and Russia that FBI director James Comey revealed weeks ago at a House intelligence committee hearing. Consequently, when Clapper told Todd that he was not familiar with any evidence of Trump-Russia collusion, he was speaking accurately. But he essentially told the Senate subcommittee that he was not in a position to know for certain.
Yates, meanwhile, refused to answer questions about whether she’s aware of evidence of collusion, saying her answer would require her to disclose classified information.
And don't forget there is actual open and public evidence of collusion.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/course-t...n-intelligence
Guisslap is nothing but a cut and paste liberal. He is a dawdle and a bore, and one wastes time responding to him. Just read the Democrat talking points and be done with it.
With that said, the timing of the firing does raise eyebrows in that it was so close to Yate's testimony to the effect that the basis for the Russian collusion rumors was an FBI investigation into the matter. It doesn't matter that the Democrats undeniably flip-flopped. If he was hindering an investigation by firing Comey, that could be an impeachable offense.
My opinion is that Comey should have been fired a long time ago. Obama should have fired him. The way he handled himself during the election was nothing short of incompetence. He also recently misrepresented at best and lied at worst to Congress.
But, what I think isn't important. The fact is, the firing was ill timed and begs for an investigation as to his motives for firing him. Trump has no ligitimate complaints that there is such an uproar for an investigation into the firing.
All this has done is to confirm once again that incompetence reigns in DC.
From the article you linked. The open and public evidence is campaign rhetoric cheering bad news against his opponent. He is a populist, by definition, spouting what the audience wants to hear. The article openly admits that in itself is legal. This is about on par with the Falcons saying the graphic displayed during the OT of the Superbowl is proof of collusion between the NFL and the Patriots.Quote:
When people say there is no evidence of collusion, they mean, we suppose, that there is no evidence of covert or illegal collaboration with the criminal activity undertaken in the course of this foreign intelligence operation against the United States.
But that is rather a different matter than acquitting Trump and his campaign of collaborating with the Russians. It ignores, after all, the overt and perfectly legal collaboration they plainly engaged in with what they knew to be an ongoing foreign intelligence operation against their country.
I won't go and say Trump is innocent of illegal collusion, but again, there is no public evidence out there that is enough to convict/impeach.
That is why there is an investigation.
I honestly think there should be an independent investigation into a number of things.
Russian involvement in the election and possible collusion with the Trump campaign,
Loretta Lynch and her collusion with Bill Clinton and Comey concerning the Hillary e-mail scandal (and include just how much Obama knew and when he knew it as well),
Where the leaks are coming from inside the government and how closely they are connected to possible sedition by the democrats,
The Clinton foundation and the possible selling of America to large donors.
Maybe add to that an investigation as to why Guam has not capsized yet, as predicted by Hank Johnson (D) from Georgia.
Anything else is just partisan junk.
I suspect that to most neutral observers Trump ordered Comey's termination and that the memos from the Justice Department were written as justification. So the main question is why did Trump give the order to fire somebody who was leading the investigation against him.
No, but the head honcho of the FBI determines how hard to push an investigation. Reportedly, Comey had requested a few days ago additional money and agents to investigate people in the Trump campaign as it pertains to their Russian activities. I suspect that whoever Trump nominates to replace Comey will be somebody who Trumps believes will be loyal to him and will do his biding. Bottom line: Trump fired Comey because he didn't like the way Comey was taking the investigation. Even IF that is not the case, and I don't believe it is, the appearance that that was the motivation is very real.
To compare something a U.S. politician does in these times to the unspeakable actions of Hitler is just plain asinine and insensitive. I am embarrassed a Tech graduate would do that.
If you don't learn from history it will repeat itself. My point is that this is how despots gain absolute power in civilizations that are antithetical to the actions that the despot ultimately take.
This is precisely why we have things such as the holocaust museum - to remind us that these horrible things can and do happen if we stand by and allow them to.
Your embarrassment would be more useful if it were directed at those that don't protest these patterns of behavior. Lying, attempts to silence critics, challenging of power-checking institutions.
If you haven't visited the holocaust museum, you really should. You can't walk through without wondering the same thoughts as I have already stated in this thread.
From the museum:
https://mobile.twitter.com/RaRaVibes...516800/photo/1
Another popular poem which is prominently featured near the exit of the exhibit.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Still a ridiculous overreach by you.
You may have missed the attacks on the media, exclusion of selected press, promotion of the press that agrees with the administration, the consideration of loosening libel laws for public figures to sue the media, the outright lying by the president and his official spokespersons, the attack on judges, the firing of top ranking justice officials that disagree with him or his alternate views of the facts or constitution, his insistence on loyalty to him above all else that have hallmarked nearly every day of his first 100 days - but I haven't.
It is a troubling trend and coupled with his campaign rhetoric that tickles the chords of fascism, I have major concerns... which only grow as his supporters seem to be so locked into his propaganda channels and so willing to oblige each step he takes towards despotism.
At some point you can't stop the momentum of it all, but I think so many otherwise principled republicans are so happy to think they might get their sacred cows - tax reform, border wall, repeal of Obamacare, Supreme Court picks - that they are a little too willing to overlook the troubling pattern that had emerged.
This is why I am an independent. You republicans have really lost your way.
I liked him better than Obama. And I think he is a better than average Senator.
As far as WWII vets that promoted their service - JFK and George Andrews are the first to come to mind. There are none remaining in Congress.
McCain's service makes him a hero, whether he promoted it or not. You are embarrassing yourself.
Comey deserved to be fired the instant he stated that he did not recommend prosecution of Hillary after spending 15 minutes laying out the entire case that would have gotten a true bill from any grand jury except one stacked with hand-picked DIMMS in it.
The FBI Director is supposed to head the investigation side and should not be playing any part in prosecutorial decisions. Except the hot dog Comey was acting like he was at least an assistant AG if not the actual AG during that press conference.
I would have no problem with a special counsel being named to investigate the false Russia election collusion claims. As long as special counsels also get named at the same time to look into these Obama era oldies but goodies, and I'm probably missing a few:
1) Lois Lerner, John Koskinen, and the entire IRS scandal regarding tax-exempt status denials on political grounds.
2) Obama's Operation Fast and Furious gun-running scandal
3) Hillary's uranium deal with Russia. That's where the real Russian collusion is.
4) The illegal rewrites (at least 70 changes known as of a year ago) of Obamacare after the law was passed by Congress.
5) The Iran nuclear deal.
6) The Obama administration illegal spying of journalists.
7) Benghazi.
8) The Iran ransom for hostages scandal.
9) The Clinton Foundation scandal.
10) Obama's tampering with the recent Israeli election by spending U.S. taxpayer money to try to defeat Netanyahu.
11) The Hillary e-mail/mishandling of classified documents scandal.
Finally an intelligent comment. It is simple this the time where America will either go Socialist or stand of the principles we were founded on personal accountability and capitalism, far as I am concerned give both coast to the damn socialist let working people the rest, and have 2 countries and at least then there will still be one capitalism country left.
Based on the reasoning they put forward in the AG/Deputy AG's memo (which was written this week), it should have been on Inauguration Day.
You can't deny the timing is suspect given the administrations stated reasons.
I fully agree with FriscoDawg and Maverick. There's no doubt Comey deserved to be fired. But the timing is going to raise legitimate questions and burn yet more of the administration's scarce political capital.
http://www.alternet.org/media/scienc...st-misinformed
“Selective exposure is the clearest way to look at how people create their own realities, based upon their views of the world,” says Hart. “Everybody knows this happens.”
Indeed, by 2009, Hart and a team of researchers were able to perform a meta-analysis—a statistically rigorous overview of published studies on selective exposure—that pooled together 67 relevant studies, encompassing almost 8,000 individuals. As a result, he found that people overall were nearly twice as likely to consume ideologically congenial information as to consume ideologically inconvenient information—and in certain circumstances, they were even more likely than that.
When are people most likely to seek out self-affirming information? Hart found that they’re most vulnerable to selective exposure if they have defensive goals—for instance, being highly committed to a preexisting view, and especially a view that is tied to a person’s core values. Another defensive motivation identified in Hart’s study was closed-mindedness, which makes a great deal of sense. It is probably part of the definition of being closed-minded, or dogmatic, that you prefer to consume information that agrees with what you already believe.
So who’s closed-minded? Multiple studies have shown that political conservatives—e.g., Fox viewers--tend to have a higher need for closure. Indeed, this includes a group called right-wing authoritarians, who are increasingly prevalent in the Republican Party. This suggests they should also be more likely to select themselves into belief-affirming information streams, like Fox News or right-wing talk radio or the Drudge Report. Indeed, a number of research results support this idea.
Sorry, but McCain is everywhere on all issues. It is not about patriotism with him.
Trump has been "politically expedient" on many decisions. His non-conformist moves are what got him elected. It's really nuts for the never Trumpers to keep searching for corruption. He has made some really bad political decisions, but corruption is not his motivation.
He has made some politically tactful, yet non-conformist moves. Syria and the Obamacare regulatory executive orders being among them. Gorsuch's nomination and confirmation were handled expertly.
Regarding the Russia foolishness and corruption at large, my opinion is that it's a giant nothing-burger conjured up by the left to deflect from the fact that their embrace of intersectionality and identity politics was decisive in their defeat last fall. His only mistake was hiring Manafort, which was simply a bad look for the campaign, not evidence of "collusion".
Here's the problem in one factual sentence:
Trump fired an FBI director while the FBI was investigating elements of his campaign.
The problem with the Comey decision is not that Trump is corrupt. The problem is that the timing of the decision gives a legitimate appearance of corruption, because the FBI is actively investigating elements of the campaign.
If Obama would have fired Comey during the Hillary email investigation, we'd be screaming our heads off, and rightly so.
Also: While not sure if it was directed at me, I'm no "never trumper". It would be kind of stupid to say you're "never trump" once the guy is in the White House. I'm still hoping he can help push conservative policies through the congress, and am very optimistic toward his foreign policy.
Hiring Flynn wasn't a mistake?
Was publicly encouraging Russia and Wikileaks to hack and leak a mistake?
No. I thought it was stupid, but since he got elected, it wasn't a mistake. So I guess you think that's an act of high crimes and misdemeanors?
You see, these are the idiotic things the left is focusing on. There are ACTUAL, REAL problems with some of the things Trump does. What you're bringing up is not even worth mentioning.
Rolling out a travel ban executive order which doesn't exclude green-card holders is a mistake. Tweeting your poorly-worded midnight thoughts on substantial policy issues as the leader of the free world is a mistake. Bringing the Turkish president into the White House and congratulating him on his dictatorial "referendum" is a mistake. Holding a joint presser with Mahmoud Abbas and flying a PLO flag in the White House is a mistake. Trying to foist a crappy AHCA bill upon the congress while holding no ideological position except the leftist view of health care as a human right, ie "make sure everybody gets covered" and then try to get it passed in 2 weeks, all while you promised to REPEAL EVERY WORD OF OBAMACARE, is a mistake.
Agreeing to yet another CR with NO funding for a border wall and continued funding for planned parenthood, all to avoid a meaningless "goverment shutdown" when you control the Oval Office and BOTH houses of congress is a mistake.
Firing Comey, then holding a meeting with a Russian ambassador the next day is a mistake.
Yet, with the cornucopia of mistakes thus far, you're going to circle back to a campaign stump speech?
Believe me I haven't lost focus of all the other mistakes you detailed. Encouraging a foreign adversary to engage in cyberwarfare on American targets may not be treason but it reveals a profound flaw in ones thinking and character that should draw greater contempt among voters than it did.
So I assume in your opinion, you don't see the attacks on Trump by a majority of the main stream media as biased. I think the media should hold those in power accountable and the media should be objective and unbiased. Back in the day Walter Cronkite was a huge democrat and liberal, but when you saw him on the news, he just reported the facts and you had no idea of his political leanings.
You also talk about fascism.. Republicans and conservatives are not trying to stifle speech or starting riots all over the country. Progressives and Democrats are the ones rioting, stopping people from speaking at college campuses, shouting down anyone who doesn't agree with their point of view. I submit Berkley as exhibit A.
Trump has his faults.. his tweets among them.. but I for one am very happy that he stood up to the main stream media companies of this country and called them out. They believe that they can control the narrative and that they are oh so powerful. MSNBC morning hosts even said that "they have the responsibility to tell people what to think". During campaign CNN hosts told viewers to not look at Wikileaks as it was a "criminal act to do so". "They (CNN) would tell you what you needed to know regarding what was contained in the leaks". Many current cable and other "news" outlets are such a propaganda arm for the democratic party that Pravda would be proud.
Again, I have no issues with media challenging Trump or others in power if they do it in a factual, reporting type of way... problem is they don't , and they don't even try to hide their bias.
It is not so much bias as it is the fact that every day Trump does something that is virtually indefensible. It is impossible to act like most of the things he has done as normal. And by calling out the media as telling fake news, he has made the media have to defend the accuracy of their reporting - which basically requires them to contradict what he said. That is not so much bias as it is reporting in a day in age where US officials are actively peddling lies or alternative facts.
Berkeley is an oddball. Always has been and always will be. It is certain flavor of liberal that hardly represents any popular viewpoint.
The fascism description in that poster speaks for itself and if you can read that without seeing major themes of Trump for almost item on the list, you are not being honest.
facism seems to work when racism won't. Gotta love an "ism" or a "phobe" if you are a liberal, socialist, democrat.
[QUOTE=Guisslapp;1645765]It is not so much bias as it is the fact that every day Trump does something that is virtually indefensible. It is impossible to act like most of the things he has done as normal. And by calling out the media as telling fake news, he has made the media have to defend the accuracy of their reporting - which basically requires them to contradict what he said. That is not so much bias as it is reporting in a day in age where US officials are actively peddling lies or alternative facts.
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It is irresponsible reporting then. Example: CNN runs with story that Comey was fired because he asked for more money for Trump investigation. They and other media outlets took this and ran with the narrative, that Comey must be getting close to "getting the goods or proof" on Trump and his team that Trump had Comey fired. The DOJ reported that was not true, yet the NYTimes, ABCNews and others ran with the story.
Many have said that Russia "hacked" the election... what specifically did the Russian's do? Did they change votes that were cast? Did they "hack" into election machines?
Now it is said that Russia colluded with Trump and his team. What specific things did Russia collude with Trump or his team on? I'm not saying that they did or didn't, but we have not been presented with any evidence that this happened, and the investigation has been going on for 10 months. Yet, everyone in the media is running with this story as fact. When on Nov 8th you had cable news and main stream media personalities actually crying on air when Trump was announced the winner is a clear indication that they were totally "in" on HRC's campaign. Since then the hatred against Trump or anything he stands for or tries to do, has only intensified. It's not policy disagreements anymore, it's personal blind hatred.
Wrong on all accounts.
CNN reported both the Comey camp and DOJ accounts. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ney/index.html
Russians did try to hack voting machines but no one believes that was successful. What they did do was hack the DNC server - republicans ones as well - but selectively released information from the hacks that hurt HRC and helped Trump. Trump openly encouraged this and had many people in his inner circles with close ties to Russia. The actual evidence hasn't been made public, but there is an investigation that the Trump and his surrogates (such as Nunes) have made look even more suspicious because of the shenanigans they keep pulling.
Yep, under the headline saying:
"Sources: James Comey sought more resources for Russia investigation"
Sure seems like good journalism to me! :rolleyes:
I seem to remember some facist making this comment to attack the media:
"Read Fox News, Drudge, Breitbart, and WND much? You should really explore the real news universe. "
Pitiful
No one who paid attention during the campaign should be surprised by the Trump regime. He's ruling exactly as he ran.
Right back at ya.
Because of your closed-minded view of the world, you would not see that the unbiased factual headline should have read "Sources Differ on Comey's Request for Additional Resources", or something like that. The headline shows the bias, and you don't see it...sad.
But that would have sent the wrong signal, right?
https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/stat...p-literally%2F
Yeah.. CNN is doing some great investigative work... lol
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_klJk8XkAAASRY.jpg
Yeah. You are just pure as the driven snow. You wake every day as a blank slate, with no preconceptions or beliefs at all, and read everything (but only from CNN and Reuters) as a disinterested observer and make an unbiased and totally logic-based judgement by the end of the day.
You think too much of yourself. You see the speck in everyone else's eye, but not the beam in your own. You are no more unbiased than anyone else, you just don't believe anyone is entitled to an opinion other than yours.
A quirky headline to introduce you to the interview.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...eam/index.html
Don't have experience with that one, but statistics say it isn't as misinforming as the right wing echo chamber. I am not a liberal (just more liberal in some respects than you), but statistically liberals are more likely to venture outside of their safe space echo chambers because they don't have the same psychological need for re-affirmations.
Statistically you right wingers are less likely to even read the article I posted breaking down the studies on the subject or,if you do, to entirely discount it since it doesn't come from your echo chamber.
Cut and paste.
https://newrepublic.com/article/1199...watch-fox-news
I like what the acting FBI Director said today about opening the case back up on Hillary. I'd really like to see her foundation investigated. Might as well throw Benghazi in there, also. We still don't know who gave the stand down order that led to the death of 4 Americans. Obama and Comey can no longer protect her. How about Sheriff David Clark for FBI director!!!
Statically speaking liberals believe in taking from me and giving to someone else whether they worked for it or not, are socialist and communist do not believe in capitalism or personal accountability (unless someone is eating to much sugar or smoking). There are plenty of countries that believe like that please move there and leave us our capitalism.
Interesting;
"In other words, Fox News is only one part, albeit a major part, of this echo chamber. Again, the left has its own, smaller version—on MSNBC, for example. But it’s less influential, because it competes with news outlets like the New York Times and, yes, the Wall Street Journal. If you want to know why liberals seem to have a better grasp on many issues, that’s why. "
I am very capitalist. But I don't believe in deficit spending. What the House passed for their tax bill is not self funding. It doesn't pay for itself with growth so that raises deficits.
The problem with deficits is that, the bill becomes due at some point in the future and carries other costs - namely, interest, which is paid in the future.
So conservatives do believe in taking from others apparently - they are just stealing from their children and grandchildren instead of from their neighhors.
Your statement is liberalism in a nutshell. Liberals do seem to think they know it all.
You seem to know better than I how to spend my hard earned money. You seem to know better than I as to which charity I should give. You seem to know better than I how I should think. You seem to know better than I what I should say. You seem to know better than I how I should say it. You seem to know better than I what pronouns I should use. You seem to know better than I what I should eat. You seem to know better than I where I should send my children to school. You seem to know better than I how to discipline my children. You seem to know better than I what courses my children should take. You seem to know better than I what history I should learn. You seem to know better than I how I should interpret history. You seem to know better than I how I should pay for my health care. You seem to know better than I what car I should drive. You seem to know better than I whether I should believe in and follow Jesus Christ. You seem to know better than I with what and how I should defend myself. You seem to know better than I how I should use my property. You seem to know better than I how I should treat my wife. You seem to know better than I with whom I should associate. You seem to know better than I how much I should pay my employees. You seem to know better than I what I should call a human sporting a penis. You seem to know better than I who I should share a bathroom with.
"Seem" is the operative word. It is subjective. To you it "seems" you know it all. To me you are just a meddling liberal who seems to think he knows more than he does.
Now you're getting it, Sooner. After you adhere to a 1,000+ libtard edicts on how you should live your life, why, you are then free to live your life as you see fit.
Simple, eh.
You missed my point. I will put it on the bottom shelf for you.
You accuse conservatives of not thinking. Instead they sound like an "echo chamber" repeating whatever is spoon feed to them by conservative media.
So, did Mr. Cut and Past originate the term "echo chamber" of the right or did Mr. Cut and Paste just cut and paste once more.
Well, well, well, who is echoing the echo chamber now?
https://newrepublic.com/article/1199...watch-fox-news
If the left persists, they will come to regret this "echo chamber" mantra just as they came to regret "fake news." You might check in the mirror for that board in your eye.
What cracks me up is all these Trumpers posting here (they not really fiscal conservatives) are sucking on the public tit just as much if not more than the poor and huddled masses that they disdain. As far as their views on social behavior, it all comes back to their religious beliefs and their view that the whole society should kowtow to those beliefs.