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https://www.google.com/amp/mylearnin...struction/amp/Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
To catch SIGNIFICANT material mistakes.
I think that is a terrific way to teach the concept. Knowing how to apply concepts and to think is the most valuable thing you can learn. Far more important than learning the most efficient way to multiply. We have calculators for that. In fact most kids always have a calculator on them today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tech77
You guys need to stop being dinosaurs and get with the future. Kids learn from their parents, so if the parents criticize the methods, it doesn’t reinforce the learning.
You are one who can probably inject logic into math and didn't need memorization. However not all of us are/were able to learn w/out memorization. I think math basics should be taught the way it was always taught (with memorization), but using good teachers. Note I said "basics"Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
You jumped on me and called me a dinosaur without even hearing what I thought of it. I like some of it. I think it could have been simplified into 3 easy steps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
I did very well in math. I had great teachers. Common core is currently teaching my kids to do what I intuitively did in my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
So, let’s say you memorize multiplication tables and you learn the short hand, efficient ways to tabulate... what good does that do you if you don’t know when to apply multiplication or you fail to see all of the opportunities to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
The way we carry out productive work is rapidly changing. Critical thinking skills is what distinguishes humans from the computers and robots that will replace us or certain functions we perform in our jobs. The thinking and concepts are the “basics” - the tables of values for the mathematical operations corresponding to each operand.
It's like getting rid of the white T. It wasn't broke and didn't need fixing. Now that there is a new system, some are gonna say they like it just because it is new.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
This has certainly proven to be an effective red herring! It was broken for my wife. Memorization didn't work for her and she essentially tuned out for the concepts. I think she would've been MUCH better off with CC math.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
There are always guys who don't wanna learn a new way who are gonna say they hate something just because it's new...:D
You are thinking like an engineer. Many business people don't need advanced math skills. Focus on the basics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guisslapp
Getting back to the problems we face, you know that some students will turn out to be masters of math while some won't. Those who won't MUST have the basic skills to succeed. I believe memorization is the best way to learn the basics.
Did not being able to do math in her head change her quality of life? Of course not. Why was it important for her to know more than the basics?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
We agree that lack of education is a huge part of the problem. The learning system in place was not the problem. Now we won't know the results of common core for another 5 to 10 years.
It certainly limited her options...isn't that what the greater conversation is about? It's not one thing, but a confluence of things that make it far less likely that a certain group will be able to "pull themselves up by the bootstraps".Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
I check back in to find this has morphed into a discussion of common core.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Common core for math is great in theory. As Johnnylightnin says it is trying to teach kids to do math the way many of us do math in our heads. I agree that that is a good concept. The execution is terrible.
Instead of adding clarity to math processes it often adds confusion. Even to people who have fairly advanced math skills. The example above is a great idea. Using estimation to check your answer is a great idea and many of us do that intuitively. How do you explain to a kid that estimating 291 as 200 is appropriate or that your estimate of 500 shows the actual answer of 645 is reasonable.
Unfortunately I think common core just shifts the problems elsewhere. I always struggled with memorization. Still do. Instead of having to memorize math operations and tables, now (if you struggle with the concepts being taught) you have to memorize the operations, tables and the method they want you to use. Teaching different ways of thinking about it is great. Turning around and forcing them to think about it a certain way to get the answer defeats the purpose.
Don't get me started on how they take what should be simple concepts and make them needlessly complicated and just the general poor execution of the common core material.
Other than what I've been told, and what I have read from various sources, I don't know much about Common Core. By a general consensus it appears more people dislike CC, than like it. CC didn't begin in practice until after I had left teaching at the secondary level. I have many friends who are still active teachers and they don't like it. I do have first-hand experience in teaching math to those who have been exposed to CC throughout their secondary education. I'll have more data soon.
Please don't associate this chump with intelligent people. He couldn't think himself out of a wet paper bag!Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg