Apparently you're not supposed to revoke scholarships for not being good enough.
https://www.tidesports.com/goff-trie...on-ncaa-rules/
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Apparently you're not supposed to revoke scholarships for not being good enough.
https://www.tidesports.com/goff-trie...on-ncaa-rules/
seems odd to fire him for thatQuote:
In January 2015, NCAA schools passed legislation that required Power 5 conference schools, including Alabama and other SEC schools, to renew scholarships annually regardless of athletic performance. Previously, most scholarships were subject to annual renewal. Schools outside the Power 5 such as Louisiana Tech, Goff’s previous stop, are not required to renew scholarships annually.
He was cleaning house to get some juco players in. I didn't figure Bama would stand for that.
I wonder if they are firing him with cause and will not have to pay the remaining contract. Sounds like it.
A violation of NCAA rules would be a "for cause" dismissal; however, since the violation does not occur until the scholarship is actually not renewed...I'm betting they pay him out.
Probably. That's no money to them anyway.
My guess is what really happened is that somebody's grandson or nephew was getting cut. THAT'S the reason Bama sucks in baseball. Also, I bet you could find several examples of other P5 schools cutting players for reasons other than grades or conduct.
Wow! You would think he would have been aware of this and been advised it was an issue prior to taking away scholarships. Surely this was discussed with the AD? This is crazy.
I think it was some other issue, because honestly Goff isn't the one giving the scholarships away, that's the athletics foundation. Even if he told the students they were losing their scholarships, they weren't going to be taken away, and he could have received a reasonable talking to by his superiors. Firing doesn't seem like a reasonable response...
Proof that beating Auburn is not the only thing at Bama.
Yeah, it sounds like Goff should get his buyout money. He didn't break any rules. He just didn't know the Cartel changed the scholarship rules governing themselves a couple years ago and was immediately corrected before any action could be taken. That PR disaster plus a really bad season gave the new AD a reason to get rid of the Goff headache, win the fans over, and bring in his own guy. Money is not a factor for Bama.
He tried to break the rules. Ignorance of the law...
Like I said earlier, that's no money to them anyway.
I thougth it was interesting that the press releases say they fired him because he was trying to do something wrong, but follow up by saying he didn't know.
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Greg Byrne: "We are dismissing Coach Goff without cause, so the base salary we will be responsible for."
It's just another case of allowing too much money to decide your future. Other than his paychecks I imagine he's kicking himself in the ass for leaving Tech and all that could've been accomplished here.
If Bama is paying him I bet ULM is ringing his phone.
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2017/5/2...goff-has-to-go
this is pretty rough. looks like that might have been the final nail.
This is what I heard about him at Tech...
It is a pattern and practice of very loudly denigrating, cursing at, and otherwise exploding towards teenagers, even when they succeed. Not one person on this team deserves the personal insults hurled at them from a profane supposed-adult. Embarrassingly for the University, and in what surely must be a first, he directed a profane tirade at SEC officials after a game sufficient to earn a suspension for the following game. In any competitive venture, tempers flare and harsh words are spoken. I know that. But when they are the corpus of your persona they reflect not just poorly upon yourself, but upon everyone associated with the program.
I hear the Juco in Monroe is looking for a sucker! Wouldn't that be ironic
Goff, as far as my perception, was squeaky clean. Hard nose, strict, maybe ole school but nothing like the accusations against him at Bama. I'm not a Tech insider but did any of this occur at Tech. It would seem that if so some would have leaked. I wonder if the pressure to "turn the tide" was just too much for Goff.
If Goff had improved their baseball record, they'd've overlooked him, too.
Can we hire Goff back? 😣
Goff is dead to me. He knew the situation at Alabama and the risks inherent with that program. With the pitching we lost after last season it's not a given he'd have done better than what Burroughs has. Bama had a disastrous season, we haven't.
Some folks may not want to think about it, but it's just as possible Burroughs got us better results than what Goff might have. Since Burroughs is here and Goff left, well, I'll give the nod to the guy who wanted to be here and not the guy who chose to leave.
Go Dawgs! Beat the Buzzards!
I'll take it a step further. If Simoneaux were coaching we wouldn't have even made the conference tournament this year.
Well said Tenacious Dawg. In some regards the players have to achieve/over achieve on their own and in too many instances some of them haven't.
That's not the issue.
It's the same issue with EVERY SINGLE TECH SPORT (with the exception of softball, thank you ladies!)
It's not that the team is necessarily bad.
It's that the team is pretty good for the most part, and for some reason massively underacheives in late-season games where there's a lot on the line.
We could be undefeated in the regular season and go 0-2 in the tournament and I dare you to find a Tech fan that'd be honestly surprised.
When Simoneaux didn't make the tourney, we knew why - the team was bad, it's expected.
When Burroughs/Goff makes the tourney with 40-win teams (or thereabouts), you expect more. And you're disappointed.
I got the impression it had a heavy Lib mentality behind it, poor babies.
Cussing is something most guys who played ball have heard from coaches. Berating players by calling them MFers and dropping FBombs relentlessly (even during games) is what the Bama guy is talking about. He did it in Ruston too. It botherd some of our players, but they stuck it out. Some players are not bothered by it.
There is nothing weak, snowflake, or liberal about the Bama guy's letter. I don't think we want to go down the hypicritical road either since Goff never missed a chance to talk about his faith when being interviewed.
I mean, swearing is a sin according to the Bible. Now of course, no one's perfect and a Christian could slip every now and again. Using words like hell or freaking are one thing, but f-bombs, etc are something Christians should stay away from. Not saying this to judge anyone, just pointing it out.
Now back to sports. Bama took another coach from us.
Guy's I think it is one of the Top Ten...
There is a difference in cussin and cursing...
Whether it's cussing or cursing Goff has $2 million in his pocket and he can coach anywhere if someone hires him.
Yep. I don't what's come of it because I didn't follow it up, but I had an alert to my phone a couple days after this thread started that ULM was going to interview him. I haven't seen an update that they did, so I'm guessing they either didn't or still haven't hired someone.
Goff at Purdue as a graduate assistant. No check but gets him back in baseball.
The article I saw said Goff will be a volunteer coach, not a graduate assistant. He wouldn't be paid (as a GA would), which should allow him to keep the payout from Alabama. This was the first time I've seen where Goff explicitly denied the allegation that he was attempting to violate NCAA regs by stripping scholarships. He said it's "not true at all."
I think this is a smart move for him as he rehabilitates his career. If he'd gone as a Head Coach to a Sunbelt, DII or DIII that was down on its luck, rebuilding would be tough, it would have hurt his overall record, he'd lose all the momentum he had when he left here, and the climb back would be difficult. In this "job," he may be able to lay low for a year or two and reemerge into a good position.
For every coach that has come and gone from Tech, I've understood what the deal was. I don't wish them poor outcomes but I'm not fist-pumping & cheering for their success. Money is the thing, I know, but I sometimes wonder if it crosses their minds that maybe the better decision would have been to stay at Tech.
Whatever...once they're gone they're pretty much dead to me. Though I might raise my eyebrows & chuckle when one of them lands in Purdue "volunteering".
Of course we can't ever know what would have happened, but in many cases this seems very true.
White is a notable exception, but he went to an established blue blood. It's like if Dykes, etc went to Clemson or Bama. Not exactly easy to win, but you really have no excuse to not do well.
To me, Mike White is the ONLY coach that has left Tech for the right kind of job with the right kind of circumstances. Everyone else has gone to a job with baggage to go with the paycheck.
Does anyone know what Coach Jake Wells is up to?
Looks like he's at Campbell...oh, the coach-go-round goes on and on...
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Was White also the only one to turn down Cartel offers before finally accepting one a year or two later?
It seems like every other head coach that left Tech for their "dream job" didn't have a happy ending.
- Russo... fired by Washington after 4 years
- Eagles... fired by Auburn after 5 years
- Wooldridge... fired by Kansas State after 6 years (after asst. in NBA)
- Crowton... fired by BYU after 4 years (after asst. in NFL)
- Budke... died in plane crash recruiting for Oklahoma State
- Dooley... fired by Tennessee after 3 years
- Dykes... fired by Cal after 4 years
- Goff... fired by Bama after 1 year
White's done well, but then again, he's only been at UF 2 years, and he turned down K-State, Mizzou, and Tennessee in previous years.
Auburn was not Eagles' dream job. He would have stayed at Tech for much less than Auburn paid, but was dissed by our MBB hating president.
Lumping a WBB coach in this discussion is silly, but no mention of Mulkey?
Good point...she was "this close" to being a Head Coach here. About 80% of the way there, I'd say. :D
Eagles made a presentation to Reneau that included a very modest salary increase for himself - less than 25K - and very modest increases for two of his assistants to bring their salaries up to what the Lady Techster assistants were making - 40K a year. Then a slight increase in the recruiting budget - around 10K a year. Reneau said no. He didn't even counter. He just said no.
Eagles then left for the Auburn job which paid 300K a year. I always assumed Eagles was leaving no matter what. Then word started to filter out in the 90s around the time Wooldridge was hired that Eagles had gone to Reneau with a plan. I didn't find out until a former member of our Athletic Council and I were on a flight together to Houston the night before the Texas A&M football game in 1998. Between that and the rain-soaked game it made for very long weekend.
Trust me. Paw Dawg and Historian are right on the money with this one!!!
Of course they are. They lived it unlike the last compiler.
Speaking of Goff his Alabama paycheck comes in handy. Purdue's rather clever.
My point remains the same regardless of circumstances: He left Tech for a "better" job and got fired after a short stint. That's not debatable. It's fact. Similar story for almost every coach who's left success at Tech for a "better" job except for White thus far.
No he did NOT leave for a better job. Auburn was not a better job. He left because our President treated him like crap. Not sure why you refuse to see the difference. TJE is the ONLY coach who ever loved Tech enough to overlook the lure of money and fame. He would have been a career coach had D.R. not been so obtuse.
Did you not see I put "dream job" and "better" in quotes each time? :icon_roll:
That's kinda my point. Those jobs obviously didn't turn out to be "better" because they couldn't win there and thus couldn't hold onto them.
You're playing semantics and know exactly what I'm saying. He left for more money. You like that "better?" ;) Failed. And got fired after a brief stint. Just like just about all of them. Again those facts regarding the original premise of my post are not debatable. In general our successful coaches have been pretty unsuccessful after leaving Tech.
Eagles remains the only exception. At the time Auburn could pay more, but it was NOT a better job or even a dream job of any decent coach.
The move by Reneau set our MBB program back 20 years and we are still struggling.
In the 1988-89 school year, one weekend, my future sweet wife and I were eating at a pizza joint on Tech Drive. We just happened to be sitting in a booth next to TJ and his clan. Anyway, his back was to Mia's back and I noticed that, during my conversation with Mia, TJ would slightly lean his head back and kinda to the side. That sucker was listening in on us!
At the end of our meal, after my sweet wife went to the restroom, Mr Eagles turns around (he already knew me from working in the SID office, but didn't really know me) and says, "Son, you'd better marry that young lady!", then turns back around and continues like nothing ever happened.
Bonafide, gen-u-ine scientific proof that Tommy Joe was a very wise man!