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Colleges With Decrease In Applications
By Bex Walton, Jul 20, 2016
Northwestern State University of Louisiana
Northwestern State University has for years been dedicated to learning for well. It is considered not only one of the most spacious but also one of the most attractive campuses in the south
, yet still, applications have been decreasing by 22.67% which is a lot.
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http://www.semesterz.com/inside-coll...plications/55/
That's an old article. After more than a decade of decline, I'm pretty sure they are increasing now because they've hired some agency to recruit a bunch of foreigners to boost enrollment in addition to online learning and HS dual enrollment. Dawg80 knows the details.
I don't know of a single agency that has been hired to conduct across-campus recruiting of foreign students. Not saying there's not one, just I'm not aware of it. I do know, in the past anyway, individual colleges and the university itself, on a case by case basis, has been very active in recruiting international students and entering into agreements as opportunities arise. Sometimes the initial contact is made by an individual professor who might have met a foreign professor at a conference, or perhaps, from a research collaboration and that led to talks about student/professor exchanges. Now, VP Dr. Marcus Jones is very active in seeking international agreements and often he is the source of a contact. Eventually, Dr. Jones and the provost and eventually the university prez, Dr. Chris Maggio now, have to sign off on any such agreements. Recently, for instance, Dr. Perez, herself a native of Spain, initiated contact with a university there and NSU just inked an agreement to bring in Spanish students, not just in an exchange with that university, but also to offer Spanish high schoolers (or the equivalent) to enter NSU as freshmen.
The HS dual enrollment is a recruiting tool, as it is hoped the student will opt to continue as an NSU student. The university does not make a dime on the tuition paid as a dual enrollee, and most of the time, NSU doesn't get the student as they choose to go elsewhere, and bring their 18 (? I think it is) hrs earned with 'em.
NSU is one of the leaders in online students. That is a good money-maker for the university, as very often adjuncts are paid mere pennies to teach the online courses for which students pay full price plus technology fees, used to fund computer labs and other technology upgrades.
Other than this, I don't know many details. But! I can find out.
One additional note on the HS dual enrollment. All ULS schools have agreed to honor those hours earned. So, if a kid earns 21 hours in dual enrollment at NSU and opts to attend Tech, for instance, Tech has to accept those 21 hours and check off as completed whatever courses those were. I think the maximum a student can earn in HS dual enrollment is 30 hours. But that is an entire academic year, meaning they can graduate from HS and enter college as a sophomore. That does NOT mean, however, they won't still have to take some freshmen courses. Maybe Tech has Engineering 101 a freshmen level course that is a core requirement and it was not available in the HS dual enrollment program.
Okay...that's all I know.
A little less than a year ago you posted this... "foreign students, mostly from China, Columbia, and Panama, where NSU has been actively recruiting."Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
I remembered your quote from last year and must've got the foreign agency recruiter thing mixed up with your other school... LSUS who hired one not too long ago. LSUS hired some agency to recruit foreign students because their undergrad enrollment is in decline, and Clark said it's been successful in increasing enrollment at other universities. But your statement read to me like NWST had somebody recruiting those three foreign countries to reverse their declining enrollment.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
I brought up HS dual enrollment because those students are included in the head count enrollment released each fall even though they aren't college students. HS dual enrollment numbers artificially inflate enrollment figures for everyone, which makes enrollment stats deceiving without context.
I mentioned online education because it's similar to HS dual enrollment and all their satellites in that they are included in the official enrollment even though most will never set foot on campus in Natchitoches. It's important to have context when discussing enrollment.
At Pineville High, we introduced a program this past year where our students, beginning with the Class of 2020, can earn an associate's degree (60 hours!!!) while in high school. Our dual-enrollment agreement is with NSU. There's a private school in Alexandria that has an agreement with LSUA where they can earn 60 hours of dual-enrollment credit. I have my own personal opinions about dual-enrollment, but it's a program that is being emphasized by the Department of Education and isn't going away.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawg80
60 hours duel enrollment with lsuA. That's solid.
Yep, in ten years, seniors will be graduating high school with a PhD.
Yes, it's my understanding that NSU is using active foreign student recruiting to boost attendance. So? Are they supposed to just sit there and HOPE students will enroll at NSU? Is that how you conduct business?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
I forgot that HS dual enrollment now allows students to earn 60 hours and get an associate degree. That is a recent development. I knew that, but had forgotten.
Yes, Dawg06, NSU is a leader in online education. It is a BIG money-maker for them. The Univ. of South New Hampshire saved itself via online courses and is now making $millions! Again, how do you conduct business? Do you poo pooh good revenue drivers?
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Other than you have hatred for other Louisiana schools. Well, get over it. It's not healthy to carry such hatred like this.
YES! I hold degrees from Tech, NSU, and LSUS and certificates from the Univ of Toledo, Univ of Memphis, and the Univ of Houston, oh, and one from Texas Woman's University. Yes, it is true! I was one of two guys in a classroom of 30 women. I loved it! That was a certificate in Mediation in Law, where we learned all kinds of law stuff, and how to conduct mediation to keep cases from going to court.
It's great big world out here. You should try to get out and experience some of it. Here's another news flash for ya, as great as it is, Louisiana Tech University is not the only source of a good education.
Back to the point... I applaud NSU and LSUS, and any university, for being pro-active to boost enrollment and revenue streams. There was a time taxpayers funded 80% of the operations of Louisiana's state schools. Now, it is down to just 20% and dropping. You wanna be concerned about something, try this. Since we are paying more and more in taxes and the state's education budget continues to bloat, where is all that money going? It's not going to the state universities.
On the LSUS thingy.... The Language Company relocated to LSUS from NSU last year. It's a private company, under-written by some Arab oil baron. It pays host families $675/month/student. It, the TLC, was at NSU for a few years and we took advantage of the opportunity. I bought a house specifically to accommodate international students and set my daughter up as "the host." We usually had 3 students at any one time, so we were paid $2,025/month. And for a period we had 4 students and got $2,700/month. It was very nice!
But, the program usually only had 8-10 students at a time, mostly because they were unable to find willing host families. It was not a big student-getter for NSU. And probably is not helping LSUS either. But, that is TLC, perhaps LSUS has another company recruiting for them as well.
I do know NSU is an active negotiations with some company to recruit online students for them. But, that company gets the lion's share of the tuition from the students they recruit, and thus far NSU has not inked a deal with them. Trying to negotiate a better deal for itself (NSU is).
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Originally Posted by dawg80
I corrected a couple false statements and stated facts. Then you got really defensive and made poor assumptions and turned it into an ignorant attack on me. :laugh:
Try to go back and read the words I actually posted instead of reading into it whatever interpretation you wanted. :thumbsup:
Nah, you can't sidestep it that easy. You have a pattern of demeaning other universities. The term "ignorant" means devoid of knowledge, some specific fact(s). Sorry, my "attacks" on you on this topic are rooted in truth derived from your history of commentary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
As for me, I have readily admitted over the years, I sometimes post things just to yank someone's chain, or to stir the pot a little. My "attacks" are always rooted in truth/reality, but I exaggerate or embellish at times, just to get another poster (or posters) to react.
HS dual enrollment students are college students. I see no reason why they shouldn't be counted in enrollment statistics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
$150/3hrs agreesQuote:
Originally Posted by maverick
Mucho cheapo.Quote:
Originally Posted by PawDawg
Yes, but this cost is in addition to the usual costs incurred during the high school years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tech77
My kiddos accumulated many hours of duel enrollment, but I never knew about until well after the fact. Wonder why?;)
Sorry, but HS dual enrollment students are high school students, not college students. They are HS students taking HS classes at their HS while simply getting college credit for it to benefit the government's budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick
I NEVER said they should not be counted. I clearly said that enrollment figures should have context.
Many of our dual-enrollment students are college students. They are enrolled in college courses outside of their dual-enrollment courses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
If they are enrolled in actual college courses at the same college, then their head count would NOT be duplicated in the official enrollment figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by theprofessor
You're not fully informed. They are not all "taking HS classes at their HS while simply getting college credit." Dual enrollment courses that are administered well have a university faculty member who is responsible for the high school courses. The university provides the syllabus, mandates the textbook and other materials, maintains an online course management system, creates and grades the tests, etc. The university even uses its own grading scale, so HS teachers may use a generous curve, but the university faculty member may not...so the student gets one grade for HS credit and possibly a different one for university credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
Again, you completely missed the point. :icon_roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick
And for the record, at my HS all we had to do was fill out a form and pay $100 if we wanted dual enrollment college credit. There was nothing "college" about it or anything different for the students who didn't pay the $100. We were HS students, and I guarantee you that's how every single dual enrollment student identifies himself... as a high school student even if they are getting college credit. But then again, these days some men try to identify as women and vice versa. So maybe confused HS kids these days try to identify as college students because they are getting dual enrollment credit when the rest of the world knows they are still just HS students. If some of y'all want to pretend like HS dual enrollment kids are real college students, whatever makes y'all feel better. :rolleyes4:
To my point, I said it's important to have context when discussing enrollment numbers. A HS dual enrollment student is not the same as a college student. A part-time student is not the same as a full-time student. An online student is not the same as an on-campus student. An undergraduate student is not the same as a grad student. A main campus student is not the same as an off-campus student. An international student is not the same as an in-state student. Etc. Etc. Enrollment figures can be deceiving if you don't put them in context. That was my point. So when somebody says Tech has over 12K students, but we "only" get 3-4K students at football games... That's a pretty unfair statement because we don't really have over 12K college students in Ruston. Are y'all upset we aren't packing the student section at The Joe with HS dual enrollment kids?
I got duel enrollment and in my AP class and a fine arts class in high school. No extra cost, no college graders. I also got some duel enrollment just for passing AP tests.
Correction, not duel enrollment for AP. Just college credit.
The dual-enrollment option has become more popular because it is guaranteed college credit as opposed to AP, where students have to pass a test to get the credit. AP credits do not go on the college transcript as a grade, while dual-enrollment courses do. That's one of my concerns about dual-enrollment. We have 14-year-old freshmen taking classes that will go on their college transcript. Not every kid is mature enough to handle that responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tech52
I have on experience with a nephew who tested out of the first two calculus courses. He was not ready to compete with the more mature students who normally take the third course and fell on his face. It takes more than just knowledge to make the grade in college. That is why we have the first year experience, orientation, etc.
Yeah my correction was just for the test. My high school's AP English classes for grades 11 and 12 are duel enrollment classes, passing the test offers even more credits. When I went only the 12th grade class was duel enrollment. I got English credit for two tests and one class, and that was enough to bypass all the freshmen English classes I needed. Just needed Tech writing and tech presentations.Quote:
Originally Posted by theprofessor
I know that one high school in the River Parishes in south Louisiana - I don't remember which one - had roughly a dozen students who earned a high school diploma and community college degree at their high school graduation in May. I was surprised when I saw the news report because I didn't think as much as 60 hours of credit could be obtained through DE. I was wrong.
That led to a discussion with some family friends who have a son attending LSU. He's a recent graduate of a Catholic high school in the New Orleans area. Like many other families they were unaware that much credit could be earned. His high school offered very little DE credit.
They said that there is now tremendous pressure being put on the private schools in New Orleans and other parts of the state to offer much more DE credit.
That's the truth. Back when I was in HS, Tech encouraged prospective COES students not to take AP tests or dual enrollment credit in math and science for good reason. Unfortunately some didn't take the advice. In addition to HS courses not being as high a level as Tech courses, Tech has an integrated curriculum for COES built around blocks of courses with the same group of students for all Freshmen COES classes. That means you can't get ahead in math and science with high school credit, and it ends up being detrimental to the education of students who skip those college courses relying on their HS education because they get left out on projects and study groups, don't use what they learned in HS for a long while, don't get the basics reinforced, forget what they learned because they wouldn't take college math until the Spring, and then have to play catch-up on everything they missed in the Fall and Winter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
Perhaps you aren't as good at making one as you think. It's worth considering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
More like you enjoy nitpicking irrelevant arguments. Hence, why you always selectively edit my posts taking them out of context when quoting me and respond to claims I did not make as if I had made them. :icon_roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick
HS dual enrollment is just that, DUAL enrollment. If a HS has 1,000 students and a university has 10,000 students, and they initiate dual enrollment between them, and 200 HS students enroll in it. That HS still has 1,000 students enrolled, but now the university will claim 10,200 enrollment. And, that is correct. It is DUAL enrollment!
The university does not make money from this, as already discussed, due to the low fees paid by the dual enrollees. And, while it is a tremendous benefit to those HS students, and their families who have to pay future college expenses, it comes with a caveat for the HS students. Failing such a dual enrollment class is the same as failing a class taken strictly as a university enrollee. It impacts your GPA and stays on your college transcripts forever.
1) I don't "always" (or ever, for that matter) edit your posts; I don't have privileges to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg06
2) When I said I saw no reason HS dual enrollment students shouldn't be counted in enrollment statistics, you replied "I NEVER said they should not be counted..." Nor did I say (or imply) you ever had.
3) After writing your thesis on dual enrollment as if it were fact, I stated some facts and some opinions. Then your defensiveness, which (in my opinion) often is displayed at the mere possibility of someone not agreeing with you, became apparent.
4) I'm not sure how my replies to your statements about dual enrollment were irrelevant, once you turned the conversation toward dual enrollment (other than the fact that mine didn't agree with yours). You took the discussion from application numbers to enrollment statistics, not I.
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Originally Posted by Champ967
Wait a minute...urban dictionary, my "go to" reference, defines a cat fight as a fight between two women. Serious question: have I made an inaccurate assumption about Dawg06's demographic classification?
Generally, that'd be my definition too. And no, Dawg06 is a dude.
But something about this just struck me as, well ... Catty
And with a capital C! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Champ967
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Originally Posted by Champ967
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That's a promotional pic for the annual ull vs ulm football game...Quote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
Those last two need to be in BTE.