Champ967's proposed Constitutional amendment
Article 1 -- Overturn Roe v. Wade. Personhood begins at conception.
Article 2 -- Repeal 2nd Amendment. Congress and/or states can regulate or prohibit private ownership of firearms.
Call it the "Right to Not Die" amendment. Or perhaps the "Put Up or Shut Up" amendment. It's a package deal -- everyone leaves equally unhappy. But at least kids no longer get aborted or shot.
Whaddya say?
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I say the deaths prevented from Article 1 are an order of magnitude larger than the deaths that would be prevented by Article 2. That said, I would gladly give up my guns to end abortion...like right now.
Re: Champ967's proposed Constitutional amendment
Making abortion illegal won’t stop abortion. It just makes it more dangerous.
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Guisslapp
Making abortion illegal won’t stop abortion. It just makes it more dangerous.
And making guns illegal wont stop guns. And making drugs illegal wont stop drugs. And making speeding, cockfighting, blue underpants, etc illegal …
Why have laws if we can't control human behavior? Why have consequences for anyone's actions if they don't give a rip?
You're missing my point. But your handsome straw man is noted.
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Champ967
And making guns illegal wont stop guns. And making drugs illegal wont stop drugs. And making speeding, cockfighting, blue underpants, etc illegal …
Why have laws if we can't control human behavior? Why have consequences for anyone's actions if they don't give a rip?
You're missing my point. But your handsome straw man is noted.
Or making drugs illegal or immigration illegal.
But I don’t think I would support either of your articles.
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Guisslapp
Or making drugs illegal or immigration illegal.
But I don’t think I would support either of your articles.
Whoops. See you already said that...
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Guisslapp
Or making drugs illegal or immigration illegal.
But I don’t think I would support either of your articles.
I had kind of guessed that. But true libertarian anarchists like yourself are a rare breed. ;) Your personal preference notwithstanding, I'd ask you consider the proposal from a strictly realpolitik perspective.
Most Americans support some form of govt regulation or other. I propose that each of the main camps swap their regulatory sacred cows.
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Champ967
I had kind of guessed that. But true libertarian anarchists like yourself are a rare breed. ;) Your personal preference notwithstanding, I'd ask you consider the proposal from a strictly realpolitik perspective.
Most Americans support some form of govt regulation or other. I propose that each of the main camps swap their regulatory sacred cows.
I think I have become too pragmatic to be a libertarian anarchist.
Re: Champ967's proposed Constitutional amendment
Here's a better idea: make abortion illegal...it's already immoral and evil....and we'll keep our guns too, thankyaverymuch.
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Babies already have a right to not die given to them at conception. Our society has determined it’s okay to refuse them that right. However, if it truly meant an end to abortion in all forms, I might consider it. Would it mean all guns being regulated from high capacity rifles down to single shot shotguns? Are we just talking “assault rifles” and high capacity pistols?
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techman05
Babies already have a right to not die given to them at conception. Our society has determined it’s okay to refuse them that right. However, if it truly meant an end to abortion in all forms, I might consider it. Would it mean all guns being regulated from high capacity rifles down to single shot shotguns? Are we just talking “assault rifles” and high capacity pistols?
How many people die from a single shot 4-10 or Remington 870? It’s always semi-automatic weapons according to the news.
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johnnylightnin
I say the deaths prevented from Article 1 are an order of magnitude larger than the deaths that would be prevented by Article 2. That said, I would gladly give up my guns to end abortion...like right now.
What would be the deaths caused by 2?
But I agree. I'd turn them in tonight if it'd stop abortion.
Re: Champ967's proposed Constitutional amendment
Y'all are nuts! Stop this nonsense now.
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dawg80
Y'all are nuts! Stop this nonsense now.
The record will show that D80 prefers death sticks to children.
Re: Champ967's proposed Constitutional amendment
I'd take that deal immediately.