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North Korea launches ballistic missile, pentagon confirms
I really hate to say it but we need to kick their butt now! Trump is and was right and needs to put his plans into action. His China talks seems working this week. Keep your fingers crossed!!
NORTH KOREA LAUNCHES BALLISTIC MISSILE, PENTAGON CONFIRM
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KIM POPS OFF ANOTHER ONE...
BALLISTIC MISSILE...
'LANDS IN JAPAN WATERS'...
WARNING TO SHIPS...
CHINA BOLSTERS BORDER FORCES...
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North Korea has only grown more dangerous under Trump. What is he going to do?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-no...-idUSKBN1AG2J4
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Guisslapp
Yep, they figured out how to make a nuke and how to launch it into space and land it on their enemies in the last 6 months. Their scientists put Einstein and Oppenheimer to shame.
Prior to Trump, they were as gentle as a lamb and quite contrite about their past indiscretions.
Gee, ya think it could be the policy of strategic patience that caused this? Kinda the same thing the last folks were trying with Iran.
Oh, Russia Russia Russia, too. You lefties are off the farm!
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Guisslapp
Kill the dictator and his minions. N. Korea is more dangerous because Clinton, Bush and Obama did nothing!!!! Period!
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The escalation in North Korea was entirely foreseeable.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.chica...story,amp.html
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Silly leftists. Blame our President Trump for everything Obama did wrong.
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North Korea has escalated their aggression and arms development under Trump. This was very predictable. His temperament is a danger to this country and our allies.
Surely you will agree that conducting foreign policy via twitter without vetting the communications with experts is not a good idea.
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Guisslapp
This all started under Clinton..and the same started with Iran under Obama.. Do I need to paste the video's from Clinton saying how this will prevent NK from getting a nuclear bomb? Same with Obama...
https://media.giphy.com/media/4E646noHbHGEM/giphy.gif
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FriscoDog
This all started under Clinton..and the same started with Iran under Obama.. Do I need to paste the video's from Clinton saying how this will prevent NK from getting a nuclear bomb? Same with Obama...
It's all Eisenhower's fault.
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Maybe we should load $150,000,000 on a private plane and take it to him in the middle of the night. Didn't that work for Obama?:laugh:
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North Korea situation is going sideways on Trump's watch and it was likely caused by Trump's miscalculation and misunderstanding of international relations mixed in with the type of temperament we don't need in a POTUS (but you guys celebrate as a lack of political correctness). If they launch a nuke - Trump owns it.
WaPo is reporting that US intelligence says that NK has the technology to minituarize a warhead. Only remaining question is if it can survive reentry.
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Guisslapp
North Korea situation is going sideways on Trump's watch and it was likely caused by Trump's miscalculation and misunderstanding of international relations mixed in with the type of temperament we don't need in a POTUS (but you guys celebrate as a lack of political correctness). If they launch a nuke - Trump owns it.
WaPo is reporting that US intelligence says that NK has the technology to minituarize a warhead. Only remaining question is if it can survive reentry.
So what do you recommend? UN Security council already voted 15-0 for additional sanctions. Sanctions don't work on a country like NK. People will not rise up against leadership, they have been brainwashed for generations.
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No worries, Goosey. We have ordered you a big glove and designated you NK warhead catcher.
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FriscoDog
So what do you recommend? UN Security council already voted 15-0 for additional sanctions. Sanctions don't work on a country like NK. People will not rise up against leadership, they have been brainwashed for generations.
Going forward I recommend that Trump stop antagonizing NK and vet his communications on NK/China/Russia through experts; unfortunately we can't go back and undo his stupid tweets that have pushed us to the point we find ourselves today.
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Guisslapp
WaPo is reporting that US intelligence says that NK has the technology to minituarize a warhead. Only remaining question is if it can survive reentry.
Actually, the warhead doesn't have to re-enter the atmosphere to do tremendous damage to the US. Denonating one 150 miles in space over the US will wipe out our communications and transportation networks via EMP.
http://www.wearethemighty.com/articl...on-was-a-doozy
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Going forward I recommend that Trump stop antagonizing NK and vet his communications on NK/China/Russia through experts; unfortunately we can't go back and undo his stupid tweets that have pushed us to the point we find ourselves today.
That didn't take long.
"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen... he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before," Trump said.
Smh. I take it back. This is not just on Trump, but it is also on all of you guys that helped put this idiot in office.
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In case you haven't been paying attention, that is the type of rhetoric that historically causes KJI to escalate, so it is obvious that this comment will draw another bad behavior from Pyongyang.
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There'll be a couple of B-2s fly over North Korea one night and they'll bring him something, and it won't be money like Obama took to Iran.
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DONW
There'll be a couple of B-2s fly over North Korea one night and they'll bring him something, and it won't be money like Obama took to Iran.
That is the easy part. Almost as easy as Trump running his mouth.
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Guisslapp
That didn't take long.
"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen... he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before," Trump said.
Smh. I take it back. This is not just on Trump, but it is also on all of you guys that helped put this idiot in office.
Yep, we should follow the libtard script: Oh, pretty please (with a cherry on top) Mr. Pyonpunk, don't hurt us. PLEASE behave and we'll give you lollipops....oh, and a $gazillion in bribes too!
Bend over, Goosey, and take it up your azz like you like it. Oh...I'm sorry. I meant that metaphorically, of course.
We (and our allies) should prepare to launch a preemptive strike, and I mean a devastating attack. And contact the Chicoms and tell 'em, step up and punish your puppet state, NK, get that lunatic out of power...or we'll do it.
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Ok, so I will put Dawg80 down in the pro-escalation camp.
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So if we do nothing.. military speaking.. and fat boy launches an attack against Guam.. is Trump still to blame? If we do nothing and NK does nothing then no harm no foul. just posturing. As I stated before, sanctions don't work on NK. There is basically nothing left to sanction. China is only hope. They need to take out fatboy and have regime change. Problem is that China wanted NK to have the technology to build nukes and missiles. If you look at the technology, it probably says "made in China" on the wrapper.. China would also have to closely police imports to NK from Pakistan and Iran to prevent those countries from sending technology to NK.
So Guisslapp what would your response be (if any) if NK sent a missile to Guam.. even one that wasn't nuclear?
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It doesn't matter. If the idiot Hillary haters had not voted for Trump we could just keep burying our head in the sand like we did with Bill Clinton, the Bush RINO, and the Socialist Muslim Obama did.
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FriscoDog
So if we do nothing.. military speaking.. and fat boy launches an attack against Guam.. is Trump still to blame? If we do nothing and NK does nothing then no harm no foul. just posturing. As I stated before, sanctions don't work on NK. There is basically nothing left to sanction. China is only hope. They need to take out fatboy and have regime change. Problem is that China wanted NK to have the technology to build nukes and missiles. If you look at the technology, it probably says "made in China" on the wrapper.. China would also have to closely police imports to NK from Pakistan and Iran to prevent those countries from sending technology to NK.
So Guisslapp what would your response be (if any) if NK sent a missile to Guam.. even one that wasn't nuclear?
Stupid question. Obviously we retaliate. But the fact we find ourselves at this current escalated state is because Trump runs his mouth and can't control his twitter fingers. Every single time he attacks them with rhetoric, they escalate. Trump's rhetorical bravado puts us on the verge of war when the past administrations have maintained a relative stalemate situation with NK.
The reason previous administrations have done nothing is because all military scenarios with NK are bad. Talking tough puts us on a collision course where one of these bad options are likely to happen.
So, yes, Guam (and other US interests) is now more at risk because of Trump. I think that he is responsible for that. This was all very predictable.
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PawDawg
It doesn't matter. If the idiot Hillary haters had not voted for Trump we could just keep burying our head in the sand like we did with Bill Clinton, the Bush RINO, and the Socialist Muslim Obama did.
Previous administrations were not burying their heads in the sand. The situation was being managed as best as it could without unnecessarily putting lives at risk. North Korea did not attack anyone during those administrations. We will see how this one does. So far it is doing a terrible job at making us safer.
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And don't play dumb. You guys knew this was the ultimate downside risk with Trump.
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They knew the risk; they just heavily (and incorrectly) discounted it.
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Guisslapp
Previous administrations were not burying their heads in the sand. The situation was being managed as best as it could without unnecessarily putting lives at risk. North Korea did not attack anyone during those administrations. We will see how this one does. So far it is doing a terrible job at making us safer.
Bullshit. Previous administrations sold us out. Obama and Hillary did it with Iran, Russia, China, and God only knows who else. Quit trying to revise history. Don't believe the BS fake news that the mainstream media keeps feeding you. President Trump was elected to put an end to the kind of crap NK and Iran constantly stir, and that's what he's going to do. Grow a set of gonads and stand up for what is right for once. There's no future in cowing down to some fat ass fool running North Korea. He's insane and he'll have to be eliminated. It's what should have been done a long time ago.
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North Korea just called Trump’s bluff. So what happens now?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/08/donald-trump-is-playing-a-dangerous-game-with-north-korea/
Yeah, what will the 12 year old with heel spurs do now?
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It didn't matter who got elected. NK was on a timeline. We were going to be dealing with this no matter who is in the White House.
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RhythmDawg
It didn't matter who got elected. NK was on a timeline. We were going to be dealing with this no matter who is in the White House.
You obviously haven't been paying attention to the pattern of escalation since Trump got involved.
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Guisslapp
You obviously haven't been paying attention to the pattern of escalation since Trump got involved.
You assume he hasn't been paying attention because he doesn't agree with you and CNN. Your arrogance is amazing.
I assume you have only chosen news sources that leave out details supporting his position.
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PawDawg
You assume he hasn't been paying attention because he doesn't agree with you and CNN. Your arrogance is amazing.
I assume you have only chosen news sources that leave out details supporting his position.
Facts are facts.
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Guisslapp
You obviously haven't been paying attention to the pattern of escalation since Trump got involved.
You obviously have a hard time with any "reality" that isn't biased toward your ideology. You think there are only two kinds of people in this world.
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Guisslapp
Facts are facts.
No sir. Facts are not facts. Facts are subject to many things...one's perspective, one's interpretation, various contexts, etc. This is why you struggle with your worldview, and why "fake news" has become the new thing. You aren't alone.
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Why is North Korea not abiding by Bill Clinton's treaty of 1994? http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/b...r-north-korea/
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Guisslapp
Ok, so I will put Dawg80 down in the pro-escalation camp.
You're not just a libtard, you're a flaming libtard!
It's not that NK (and Iran too) have been ESCALATING FOR DECADES! Nope! it's the US and our allies. We're at fault. Typical anti-American libtard. These rogue dictatorships (NK, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran....) can support terrorism, starve their own people, and build nukes to threaten decent people with, and if the US dares stand up to 'em, why, we are the ones escalating.
Tell me, Goosey, how much does George Soros pay you to spread bullshit?
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Because the inverse of big stick diplomacy is completely ineffective when you are the most powerful country in the world.
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Who predicted this escalation?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-no...-idUSKBN1AO011
Facts are facts. There has always been a pattern here. My own personal observation - not something I have read, but I would be shocked if my observations on the subject are not universally supported by the talking heads on both sides of the aisle.
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Just think, if that crazy Hillary bitch was in charge we could all sleep well.
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I doubt if north korea could get a missile anywhere near Guam. They just better hope it doesn't go down on China. They look like kids playing with fireworks in the pictures. Every time you see a picture of them they look like 3 sets of the 3 stooges. They're all laughing and carrying on like they're having a party.
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PawDawg
Just think, if that crazy Hillary bitch was in charge we could all sleep well.
She wouldn't be provoking them unnecessarily.
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Guisslapp
She wouldn't be provoking them unnecessarily.
Actually it might be worse because of how KJU probably thinks of women.
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RhythmDawg
Actually it might be worse because of how KJU probably thinks of women.
Please explain your reasoning for this statement.
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Please explain your reasoning for this statement.
I can imagine that he has no respect for women whatsoever and that he is superior to them in all ways. Why do you need an explanation to understand that?
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RhythmDawg
I can imagine that he has no respect for women whatsoever and that he is superior to them in all ways. Why do you need an explanation to understand that?
You mean, like Trump?
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RhythmDawg
I can imagine that he has no respect for women whatsoever and that he is superior to them in all ways. Why do you need an explanation to understand that?
No, I understand that part. Not really sure that he would change his behavior because of it.
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saltydawg
No, I understand that part. Not really sure that he would change his behavior because of it.
I think he'd be worse.
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Guisslapp
You mean, like Trump?
Like lots of men in this world, including most of our presidents.
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Salty and Guiss you guys try so hard...and it's as if neither of you have any understanding of history. You both act like what Trump is doing is wrong, it won't work, and it is evidence of all his inadequacies.
Go read what Roosevelt said publicly about Germany and the refugee crisis in the '30s. Read what Kennedy said and did about Castro and the Russians. Read what Reagan said and did about the Russians. Read what Bill Clinton and both Bushes said and did about the Iraqis.
Those are some easy ones. There are many many examples. What's the difference in what Trump is doing...other than you don't like him? Of this list of historical events, you agree with the words and actions of the Democrats and disagree with those of the Republicans, yes?
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Are you talking to me? I am not a Democrat, and the only time I have ever supported one was last year for the sole purpose of preventing a mentally unfit person from becoming commander-in-chief.
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Are you talking to me? I am not a Democrat, and the only time I have ever supported one was last year for the sole purpose of preventing a mentally unfit person from becoming commander-in-chief.
Hillary is mentally unfit.
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PawDawg
Hillary is mentally unfit.
Her mental health is fine. You and I just disagree with her.
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Guisslapp
Her mental health is fine.
She defines narcissism, which seems to be your basis for POTUSADT being insane.
No empathy - check
No remorse - check
Entitled - check
Deceptive - check
Jekyll/Hyde - check
Emotionally dependent - check
Uses battering for control - check
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PawDawg
She defines narcissism, which seems to be your basis for POTUSADT being insane.
No empathy - check
No remorse - check
Entitled - check
Deceptive - check
Jekyll/Hyde - check
Emotionally dependent - check
Uses battering for control - check
She is a narcissist, but she doesn't show signs of NPD.
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PawDawg
She defines narcissism, which seems to be your basis for POTUSADT being insane.
No empathy - check
No remorse - check
Entitled - check
Deceptive - check
Jekyll/Hyde - check
Emotionally dependent - check
Uses battering for control - check
Has people killed - check
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Guisslapp
She is a narcissist, but she doesn't show signs of NPD.
This also describes Hillary to the letter. Try again...
The hallmarks of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) are grandiosity, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration. People with this condition are frequently described as arrogant, self-centered, manipulative, and demanding. They may also concentrate on grandiose fantasies (e.g. their own success, beauty, brilliance) and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment. These characteristics typically begin in early adulthood and must be consistently evident in multiple contexts, such as at work and in relationships.
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I don't care what people call her, as long as they never call her President.
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RhythmDawg
I think he'd be worse.
A macho dictator like him picking on poor defensive woman before the entire world? Certainly would lose face in Asia.
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RhythmDawg
Salty and Guiss you guys try so hard...and it's as if neither of you have any understanding of history. You both act like what Trump is doing is wrong, it won't work, and it is evidence of all his inadequacies.
Go read what Roosevelt said publicly about Germany and the refugee crisis in the '30s. Read what Kennedy said and did about Castro and the Russians. Read what Reagan said and did about the Russians. Read what Bill Clinton and both Bushes said and did about the Iraqis.
Those are some easy ones. There are many many examples. What's the difference in what Trump is doing...other than you don't like him? Of this list of historical events, you agree with the words and actions of the Democrats and disagree with those of the Republicans, yes?
What exactly is Trump doing besides tweeting and running his mouth?
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PawDawg
This also describes Hillary to the letter. Try again...
The hallmarks of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) are grandiosity, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration. People with this condition are frequently described as arrogant, self-centered, manipulative, and demanding. They may also concentrate on grandiose fantasies (e.g. their own success, beauty, brilliance) and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment. These characteristics typically begin in early adulthood and must be consistently evident in multiple contexts, such as at work and in relationships.
http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html
You have to look at all the factors of the DSM. They fit Trump to a T, but they don't all fit her.
She doesn't have the same pervasive sense of grandiosity that Trump does and is not locked in to behavioral patterns that interfere with her functioning.
She is a narcissist but it doesn't manifest at the level of a disorder.
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Guisslapp
http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html
You have to look at all the factors of the DSM. They fit Trump to a T, but they don't all fit her.
She doesn't have the same pervasive sense of grandiosity that Trump does and is not locked in to behavioral patterns that interfere with her functioning.
She is a narcissist but it doesn't manifest at the level of a disorder.
Yes, they do fit her. Just because she isn't as "in yo face" with the sense of grandiosity as Trump doesn't mean she doesn't have it. If anything she is more obnoxious than Trump when it comes to "working a crowd". And really...she is incapable of functioning. If she had not been protected by the elite crowd for the past 30 years she would have been toast long ago. Her verbal attacks on her underlings are well documented, but the media (especially CNN) has been hiding the things they live to report about Trump.
She is one screwed up bitch and you voted for her.
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BTW, Obama shows all the signs as well.
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PawDawg
Yes, they do fit her. Just because she isn't as "in yo face" with the sense of grandiosity as Trump doesn't mean she doesn't have it. If anything she is more obnoxious than Trump when it comes to "working a crowd". And really...she is incapable of functioning. If she had not been protected by the elite crowd for the past 30 years she would have been toast long ago. Her verbal attacks on her underlings are well documented, but the media (especially CNN) has been hiding the things they live to report about Trump.
She is one screwed up bitch and you voted for her.
Obnoxiousness is not part of the DSM for NPD. Verbal attacks on underlings is also not a factor. The fact that she can control her behavior is evidence that she doesn't have a personality disorder even if she is an elitist narcissist. When you read each of the DSM factors for NPD, Trump is the standout example that you would provide for the trait. He is textbook, and that is a really big deal.
I know exactly who I voted for. It doesn't seem like you have figured out who you voted for yet.
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PawDawg
BTW, Obama shows all the signs as well.
Nope. Just a narcissist. Not the personality disorder.
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I know who I voted for. It's the guy who's President of the United States!
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Guisslapp
Obnoxiousness is not part of the DSM for NPD. Verbal attacks on underlings is also not a factor. The fact that she can control her behavior is evidence that she doesn't have a personality disorder even if she is an elitist narcissist. When you read each of the DSM factors for NPD, Trump is the standout example that you would provide for the trait. He is textbook, and that is a really big deal.
I know exactly who I voted for. It doesn't seem like you have figured out who you voted for yet.
Selective on your part. There is zero difference between the three according to the definition you provided. You refuse to evaluate since you hate Trump more than Clinton and Obama. That's really sad.
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Nope. Just a narcissist. Not the personality disorder.
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PawDawg
Selective on your part. There is zero difference between the three according to the definition you provided. You refuse to evaluate since you hate Trump more than Clinton and Obama. That's really sad.
Trump exhibits all the qualities openly. Hillary just doesn't. You can check out this psychological profile of her personality.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psy...-clinton%3famp
Not that this author is assessing the particular question about whether she has a disorder, I think if you go through the details of her profile you will see that the items he highlights are not consistent with one having the disorder.
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I could play play golf or cards with Trump. There is nothing I (or any other normal person) would enjoy doing with Hillary the bitch. She is a horrible exuse for a human. Obama is right there with her. You can have them.
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But the bottom line is that if we go to war with NK in the near term it is because the crazy guy you guys voted for chose to play a game of chicken with a crazy dictator. A person with better temperament and self control would not have gotten into a game of brinkmanship where all outcomes are not good.
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But the bottom line is that if we go to war with NK in the near term it is because the crazy guy you guys voted for chose to play a game of chicken with a crazy dictator. A person with better temperament and self control would not have gotten into a game of brinkmanship where all outcomes are not good.
You and CNN could not be more wrong. Try thinking things through w/out the help of your fellow haters.
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PawDawg
I could play play golf or cards with Trump. There is nothing I (or any other normal person) would enjoy doing with Hillary the bitch. She is a horrible exuse for a human. Obama is right there with her. You can have them.
That has no weight in proving that she has NPD. All of those things are non factors. And you won't be playing cards with any of them. Trump is the sorriest sack of shit I have ever seen. The fact that you think you would enjoy playing a game with him is very troubling to me. I am sure he would be nice to you unless you said something remotely critical of him.
He is a self deluded egomaniac with no impulse control or empathy. Electing him is like playing Russian roulette.
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PawDawg
You and CNN could not be more wrong. Try thinking things through w/out the help of your fellow haters.
These are 100% my thoughts, but any sensible person would agree. Trump's unnecessary and provocative rhetoric brought us to this point.
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Guisslapp
These are 100% my thoughts, but any sensible person would agree. Trump's unnecessary and provocative rhetoric brought us to this point.
Nope. Unlike Clinton and Obama he actually cares about the people who elected him. His red line is not a coward's line.
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Sensible does not mean chicken shit.
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PawDawg
I could play play golf or cards with Trump. There is nothing I (or any other normal person) would enjoy doing with Hillary the bitch. She is a horrible exuse for a human. Obama is right there with her. You can have them.
I would enjoy her giving me her money or her making people associated with the Clinton Foundation giving me their money.
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I would enjoy her giving me her money or her making people associated with the Clinton Foundation giving me their money.
Nah, you would not do what is would take to "earn" the money.
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PawDawg
Nah, you would not do what is would take to "earn" the money.
Seems all it takes is to be able to do nothing. I'm pretty great at doing nothing.
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And don't play dumb. You guys knew this was the ultimate downside risk with Trump.
Can you tell us what the "ultimate upside" would be for an idiot who starves his people in order to pursue Nuclear power status ???
I would guess "proliferation" of nuclear weapons in a few more rogue nations is about a bad as it could get. Talk about global warming:shocked2:
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Ok, aside for the Trump concerned pissing match that y'all seem to love, I've got a couple of questions about the NK situation.
As far as missiles go, we've helped Israel with the Iron Dome and maybe I am being naive but I've got to think the military has something more up its sleeve than the publicized anti-ICBM program we've seen twice. Could it be realistically possible that we have the capability of knocking anything KJI shoots down? Do I expect too much from the most well funded military in the world?
As far as Trump's last tweets about being "locked and loaded" and the military being "ready to fight tonight," what am I missing about those statements? To me, they are true. Again, I trust the military, especially with a real threat being posed, to be on alert and in fact ready to go to war tonight if the Norks actually try anything against SK, Guam or other military targets. I know Trump is the Commander in Chief, but I don't think he would command to fire first.
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atobulldog
Ok, aside for the Trump concerned pissing match that y'all seem to love, I've got a couple of questions about the NK situation.
As far as missiles go, we've helped Israel with the Iron Dome and maybe I am being naive but I've got to think the military has something more up its sleeve than the publicized anti-ICBM program we've seen twice. Could it be realistically possible that we have the capability of knocking anything KJI shoots down? Do I expect too much from the most well funded military in the world?
As far as Trump's last tweets about being "locked and loaded" and the military being "ready to fight tonight," what am I missing about those statements? To me, they are true. Again, I trust the military, especially with a real threat being posed, to be on alert and in fact ready to go to war tonight if the Norks actually try anything against SK, Guam or other military targets. I know Trump is the Commander in Chief, but I don't think he would command to fire first.
Yes, we can knock them down before they strike land.
KJI will not launch again.
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PawDawg
Yes, we can knock them down before they strike land.
KJI will not launch again.
We think we can knock them down before they strike land. Never proven under combat conditions.
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We think we can knock them down before they strike land. Never proven under combat conditions.
Wow! Then maybe we should sit down with KJI and try to negotiate...maybe draw another red line...
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PawDawg
Wow! Then maybe we should sit down with KJI and try to negotiate...maybe draw another red line...
If we attack North Korea without them throwing the first punch, China will entry the fight. Do you really want a war with China?
Yeah, they have MIRVs. BTW, how good do you think our anti-missile defenses are if the enemy explodes a nuclear warhead just before our missile would take it out?
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saltydawg
We think we can knock them down before they strike land. Never proven under combat conditions.
I understand that it is not battle tested, but I would assume something pretty close to that has been proven. My point though is we, the general public, wouldn't know and the military does have reasons to not share that information.
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atobulldog
I understand that it is not battle tested, but I would assume something pretty close to that has been proven. My point though is we, the general public, wouldn't know and the military does have reasons to not share that information.
Sorry, but our anti-missile defense are just something to stop one or two non-MIRV warheads from landing. Anything more than that and all bets are off. Several good articles about it in Scientific Anerican. Exploding a 1.5 megaton warhead 100 miles in the atmosphere creates a lot of EMP and ionized radiation and our system have never been tested under those conditions.
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atobulldog
As far as Trump's last tweets about being "locked and loaded" and the military being "ready to fight tonight," what am I missing about those statements? To me, they are true. Again, I trust the military, especially with a real threat being posed, to be on alert and in fact ready to go to war tonight if the Norks actually try anything against SK, Guam or other military targets. I know Trump is the Commander in Chief, but I don't think he would command to fire first.
Can true statements not be provocations? When we say such things, the pattern is that NK retaliates with a behavior that is more aggressive than the previous time. The two are not mutually exclusive.
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Can true statements not be provocations? When we say such things, the pattern is that NK retaliates with a behavior that is more aggressive than the previous time. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Sorry, but that thinking is exactly why we are where we are. Just ask "Gorby," or "Mr. K.," and they had thousands of nukes aimed at little old us. "Fat head" has to be out fat-headed (rhetorically speaking).:D
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Guisslapp
Can true statements not be provocations? When we say such things, the pattern is that NK retaliates with a behavior that is more aggressive than the previous time. The two are not mutually exclusive.
The truth can be provocative if one hates the truth, but I digress. But you are correct, mini-Pol Pot does fire back more aggressively. I could be wrong, but I would imagine the pudgy dictator doesn't actually want to die, which in a war with the US would be a certainty. I honestly think he knows what will happen if he actually targets the US or SK/Japan and it wouldn't be an invasion.
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saltydawg
Sorry, but our anti-missile defense are just something to stop one or two non-MIRV warheads from landing. Anything more than that and all bets are off. Several good articles about it in Scientific Anerican. Exploding a 1.5 megaton warhead 100 miles in the atmosphere creates a lot of EMP and ionized radiation and our system have never been tested under those conditions.
Again, I don't think that the military would be bragging about the capabilities of a missile defense in Scientific American. I could be wrong, but most of the military strategists are not Trump equivalents.
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atobulldog
The truth can be provocative if one hates the truth, but I digress. But you are correct, mini-Pol Pot does fire back more aggressively. I could be wrong, but I would imagine the pudgy dictator doesn't actually want to die, which in a war with the US would be a certainty. I honestly think he knows what will happen if he actually targets the US or SK/Japan and it wouldn't be an invasion.
What if he isn't afraid to die?
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What if he isn't afraid to die?
he loves single malt scotch. You figure that out
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atobulldog
Again, I don't think that the military would be bragging about the capabilities of a missile defense in Scientific American. I could be wrong, but most of the military strategists are not Trump equivalents.
The military didn't write the article. It was about the fact that the opponent is not going to advertise what methods it might use to defeat an anti-missile defense.
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he loves single malt scotch.
Who doesn't?
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Anybody have Kim-Jong-Un's email address. He needs to see this video. One B-2 is all it takes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbI1fULINek
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The best scenario is for China to step up and cause a regime change. China can do it, if they want to. Then hopefully the new guy will want to back away from the edge and remove the imminent threat of war. Economic sanctions won't work to deter fat boy, NK, unless China participates in the sanctions, which they haven't been. IF China starts adhering to the sanctions it will destroy NK's economy....what little there is of it. And! China needs to stop supplying NK with military equipment and technology. The ONLY peaceful solution is in China's court.
But, if there is to be a military option, then the sooner the better. It won't be clean. Unfortunately, many South Koreans will be killed. We will suffer some losses too. But, the longer we wait to exercise the military option, the harder/messier it will be.
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dawg80
The best scenario is for China to step up and cause a regime change. China can do it, if they want to. Then hopefully the new guy will want to back away from the edge and remove the imminent threat of war. Economic sanctions won't work to deter fat boy, NK, unless China participates in the sanctions, which they haven't been. IF China starts adhering to the sanctions it will destroy NK's economy....what little there is of it. And! China needs to stop supplying NK with military equipment and technology. The ONLY peaceful solution is in China's court.
But, if there is to be a military option, then the sooner the better. It won't be clean. Unfortunately, many South Koreans will be killed. We will suffer some losses too. But, the longer we wait to exercise the military option, the harder/messier it will be.
Hey, buddy, are you out of your freaking mind? A military attack by the USA against North Korea will start a war with China. We just need to relax and come up with some sanctions against countries that don't enforce the UN sanctions. Cutting North Korea income by 1/3 is bound to have quite an impact.......maybe one of the N Korean Generals will decide it is time for a regime change.
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Hey, buddy, are you out of your freaking mind? A military attack by the USA against North Korea will start a war with China. We just need to relax and come up with some sanctions against countries that don't enforce the UN sanctions. Cutting North Korea income by 1/3 is bound to have quite an impact.......maybe one of the N Korean Generals will decide it is time for a regime change.
No, I'm of VERY sound mind. I was not advocating military action. I was just making a pragmatic statement of fact: the longer we wait the harder it'll be.
I agree, and said as much, the best course is to work with China to force a regime change. According to a guest on FOX News this morning, a retired US general, now a civilian consultant, China has plants in NK's high command. Some generals who are friendly to China and who, with China's support, might engage in a coup. OK. Now, that might give the world a reprieve, stepping away from the edge of a conflict. But, for how long? Would we be looking at a crisis with NK a few years down the road?
What would a US attack look like, and what would be the results if we go now? There are varying opinions, but everyone asked agrees there is no way to take out 100% of NK's missile capability with a first strike. Some will survive, and that means Seoul will definitely be hit. And it's possible US bases in SK will be targeted (but doubtful), and maybe mainland Japan. Military experts say there is a way to assure more success with a first strike, but that means moving more assets close to NK. The US would have to send at least two more super carriers to those waters, and maybe our allies, especially the Brits, might have to cooperate. But! that will take a month and obviously NK would know the additional carriers are on their way. Hardly a surprise attack.
Right now, as of August, 2017, there is NO WAY NK can strike any US assets or territory if we launch an attack first. Why? Because NK's missile technology is decades old. They only have liquid fuel rockets and those take time to prepare and to get launched. If we launch air strikes and NK tries to respond with missile attacks, our planes would be on those launch sites in plenty of time to take 'em out. But, NK does have short-range rockets that can reach Seoul and Japan, and those are on mobile launch platforms that can be better protected, and the launch sequence is a matter of a couple of minutes. Those pose a risk. Now, if we allow NK to launch their missiles before we try to respond, then yes, Guam and even Hawaii and Alaska are at serious risk.
Again, I'm not advocating any course of action. I'm just laying out the facts.
Ya know what....Trump claims to be a master negotiator. It's time he goes to China and "makes 'em an offer they can't refuse." He can bring the Godfather with him.
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Actually, one could argue that the longer we wait the easier it will be to de-nuclearize N Korea. Give the new sanctions time to work, and follow up with new US sanctions if necessary. The pre-emptive military option is off the table. It could easily lead to a nuclear World War III.
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saltydawg
Actually, one could argue that the longer we wait the easier it will be to de-nuclearize N Korea. Give the new sanctions time to work, and follow up with new US sanctions if necessary. The pre-emptive military option is off the table. It could easily lead to a nuclear World War III.
Yeah, if one is to believe NK's nuke program can be de-fanged. I'm not one of the naïve class who believes that. Anymore than Iran being de-nukified (I made up that term).
As mentioned NK is depending on old technology (liquid fuel rockets) right now. They are developing....with China's help....solid fuel rockets. That will be a game-changer should NK get that technology operational. IF we are to EVER exercise a military option, now is the time. Else, California will be at risk. Oh, wait....maybe....hmmmm....:icon_roll:
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Yeah, if one is to believe NK's nuke program can be de-fanged. I'm not one of the naïve class who believes that. Anymore than Iran being de-nukified (I made up that term).
As mentioned NK is depending on old technology (liquid fuel rockets) right now. They are developing....with China's help....solid fuel rockets. That will be a game-changer should NK get that technology operational. IF we are to EVER exercise a military option, now is the time. Else, California will be at risk. Oh, wait....maybe....hmmmm....:icon_roll:
Well, if N Korea wants to attack Los Angeles with nuclear weapon all they have to do is put a nuke in a shipping container on a freighter headed to Long Beach port.
Like I said before, if the US attacks N Korea we will be involved in a war with China. Do you want that?