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General Mad Dog unleashed 31 sorties against ISIS, with 25 of those in Syria. I'm pretty sure this represents the first air strikes by US planes in Syria. Apparently ISIS thought their good brother obummer was still in charge, because ISIS was not ready for the on-slaught.
Also, there's just released video of Iraqi army attack helicopters destroying an ISIS convoy. How stupid can the camel jocks be? Tightly bunched convoy of 100+ vehicles moving across the open desert, at night. Iraqis have US night vision and have been trained by us. What a frickin' turkey shoot! Every vehicle was destroyed. And the next morning, Iraqi copters hunted down individual survivors and slaughtered the ISIS scum with rockets and machineguns.
* retiring the "terrorism around the world" thread. The days of the scumbags being on the offensive are over. From now on, it's all about the good guys taking the fight to them.
You might remember I posted that a cell phone was found in the outskirts of Mosel with a message "to get out while you can, Trump has been elected." Or, something to that effect. Stupid ISIS azzholes should have heeded that advice.
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Obama was trying to take out ISIL. (he said) Trump is not associating the terrorist with Israel. He just wants to kill them (ISIS)
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There were sorties into Syria under Obama. I think they were halted or scaled back in September after one sortie took out Syrian troops instead of ISIS.
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The gang of eight cowards are working hard against our country. Gotta love it!
http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/wp-c...G-OF-EIGHT.jpg
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JuBru
There were sorties into Syria under Obama. I think they were halted or scaled back in September after one sortie took out Syrian troops instead of ISIS.
I knew our resident obummer apologist would post something to defend him. Except, that attack on Syrian troops was designed to protect his ISIS brethren. It was no accident. (prove otherwise)
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dawg80
I knew our resident obummer apologist would post something to defend him. Except, that attack on Syrian troops was designed to protect his ISIS brethren. It was no accident. (prove otherwise)
You'll stop making dumbass statements like that one day. Of course, that would mean you would have to learn reading comprehension skills.
Glad there's no question you believe in alternative facts, everything else be damned.
The burden of proof is on you to show that wasn't an accident.
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The gang of eight cowards are working hard against our country. Gotta love it!
What'd they do now?
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What'd they do now?
SOS. McCain and that transvestite Graham mainly just can't stand to be out of the main loop. So much so that they might as well change parties. Rubio is just along for the ride being a bitch to McCain and Graham.
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Little Marco seems ready to fly out of the nest.
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JuBru
You'll stop making dumbass statements like that one day. Of course, that would mean you would have to learn reading comprehension skills.
Glad there's no question you believe in alternative facts, everything else be damned.
The burden of proof is on you to show that wasn't an accident.
IT WAS NO ACCIDENT!
And dayum, get your feathers ruffled when someone dares speak ill of your boy, obummer. Oh well, you'll have to just deal with your feathers because I am not letting up.
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SOS. McCain and that transvestite Graham mainly just can't stand to be out of the main loop. So much so that they might as well change parties. Rubio is just along for the ride being a bitch to McCain and Graham.
Lindsey Graham is a transvestite? Damn, they are everywhere.
But, now that you mention it, I can detect certain characteristics....you know.
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Trump's ridiculous extreme vetting has netted an ISIS leader trying to slip into the country, arrested at JFK airport. That story was posted on Facebook, a link to Time.com but the link wouldn't open. Probably the libtards at Time blocking a positive story about our gallant Prez!
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Trump's ridiculous extreme vetting has netted an ISIS leader trying to slip into the country, arrested at JFK airport. That story was posted on Facebook, a link to Time.com but the link wouldn't open. Probably the libtards at Time blocking a positive story about our gallant Prez!
Trump is a racist AND an islamaphob.
Anybody who supports Trump is an evil racist.
Just think we could have a socialist lesbian in office right now and we ended up with Trump.
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Trump's ridiculous extreme vetting has netted an ISIS leader trying to slip into the country, arrested at JFK airport. That story was posted on Facebook, a link to Time.com but the link wouldn't open. Probably the libtards at Time blocking a positive story about our gallant Prez!
:rolleyes:
You're going to want to check you computer for viruses or anything else bad. You didn't click on a Times link.
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Trump is a racist AND an islamaphob.
Anybody who supports Trump is an evil racist.
Just think we could have a socialist lesbian in office right now and we ended up with Trump.
I've gotta say MadDawg, I hope that was some sarcasm on your part. Jesus said "do not judge others lest my father judge you." Jesus said "he who is without sin cast the first stone."
4 times in that message was an attack on the person, not the action. Thus, I believe you were being sarcastic. And while Trump may have said some things which were prejudiced against followers of Islam, if you were being serious, would you please lay out some RACIST actions for me? And if so, please define a race for me?
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It was The Times, a newspaper, link and it finally opened. Anyway, the point is an ISIS leader has been arrested thanks to President Trump's policy. How many lives were saved because of this?
Thanks President Trump for standing up for we Americans.
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It was The Times, a newspaper, link and it finally opened. Anyway, the point is an ISIS leader has been arrested thanks to President Trump's policy. How many lives were saved because of this?
Thanks President Trump for standing up for we Americans.
That'd be an interesting story to read D80, would you please post the link to it for me?
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dawg80
It was The Times, a newspaper, link and it finally opened. Anyway, the point is an ISIS leader has been arrested thanks to President Trump's policy. How many lives were saved because of this?
Thanks President Trump for standing up for we Americans.
Snopes has debunked the fake news story.
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This is what happens when you get your information from the dark web and other alt-right sources.
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Snopes has debunked the fake news story.
It's not like Snopes is always accurate with its fact checking, but would you please post either a link to the article, or the Snopes debunking?
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Thank you Guisslapp; if the article really did have the apology on SnapChat by a baby-boomer lawyer, that in itself would lead me to discount it. SnapChat just does not seem to be the right venue... Having not read the original article however, I cannot totally rule out what D80 has reported. Also, is Time.com related to Time Magazine, Washington Times, New York Times, etc.?
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Thank you Guisslapp; if the article really did have the apology on SnapChat by a baby-boomer lawyer, that in itself would lead me to discount it. SnapChat just does not seem to be the right venue... Having not read the original article however, I cannot totally rule out what D80 has reported. Also, is Time.com related to Time Magazine, Washington Times, New York Times, etc.?
The article is linked on snopes (though doesn't load). It goes to times.com.mx. That is NOT the Time website, it's fake. There is nothing to investigate or judge.
The last count I saw, 44 have been released and 6 are still processing. That was two days ago. The only arrest has been of a Massachusetts man attacking a female Delta employee that is a Muslim. And that is from real news sources easily found and verifiable.
Fact is, just like getting news from emails make you wrong, same goes for facebook.
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The article is linked on snopes (though doesn't load). It goes to times.com.mx. That is NOT the Time website, it's fake. There is nothing to investigate or judge.
The last count I saw, 44 have been released and 6 are still processing. That was two days ago. The only arrest has been of a Massachusetts man attacking a female Delta employee that is a Muslim. And that is from real news sources easily found and verifiable.
Fact is, just like getting news from emails make you wrong, same goes for facebook.
I pretty much agree with everything you've pointed out, except for the last part. Just because you get news from an email or Facebook does not make it wrong. It can be correct, true, accurate, precise, etc. You've just got to hope/trust/believe whether the information you receive is more likely or less likely to be accurate.
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Iraqi army launches final assault to retake Mosul. What is left of the ISIS forces are held up in western Mosul and at the airport nearby. They have an estimated 1,000 soldiers left, out of the 4,500 who originally occupied Mosul. Close in house to house fighting is expected.
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Iraqi army launches final assault to retake Mosul. What is left of the ISIS forces are held up in western Mosul and at the airport nearby. They have an estimated 1,000 soldiers left, out of the 4,500 who originally occupied Mosul. Close in house to house fighting is expected.
We are winning this handily now. We need to REALLY watch Internet/Social Media, though. They need to be monitored very closely, because lone wolves are the bigger danger her in the U.S. It gets more dangerous, as they have become more desperate.
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I pretty much agree with everything you've pointed out, except for the last part. Just because you get news from an email or Facebook does not make it wrong. It can be correct, true, accurate, precise, etc. You've just got to hope/trust/believe whether the information you receive is more likely or less likely to be accurate.
The key is checking more than 3 sources from reputable media. That is what I try to do these days. If it is on 3 three non-conspiracy reputable sources, I tend to believe it. I have seen false information from our President and media this year, but when I see it from multiple reputable sources, it is usually correct.
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I have seen false information from our President and media this year, but when I see it from multiple reputable sources, it is usually correct.
Where were you when Obama was telling lies for 8 years? Enjoying it?
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Where were you when Obama was telling lies for 8 years? Enjoying it?
Through my years, I have realized that all politicians lie. Most of the time, it is stretching the truth. Never seen anyone say something so boldly, have it recorded, and say he didn't say it after that, though. They usually spin it. I haven't had a President in my lifetime not stretch the truth at times. Bill Clinton was a master at it. Trump says something and then straight up says he didn't say it. I don't respect the stretching, spinning, or outright lies.
My point was we should always check at least 3 reputable news sources if you want try to figure out the truth. Even though I don't like Trump, I have made it a personal policy that I will stand for issues, but will not talk negative about a sitting President. That doesn't mean I won't stand up for what I believe and state that in a positive way. That is all our right. Hopefully, no one blindly follows ANY President. That would be very un-American.
Not sure what point you were trying to make, but I wasn't that negative on your guy, Trump. I would think you could handle my post without firing back. Go back and read it again.
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The lamestream media, dating back to the mid-80's have always lied and/or told half-truths. There was a time, going back to Walter Cronkite (CBS) and the others, ABC and NBC, that the media mostly was truthful. When they weren't, it was usually a "lie" of omission designed to protect national security or not cast the US in a negative light. That changed in the 80's and the lamestream media simply began promoting a left-wing agenda by tilting the "news" to support liberal causes. This gave rise to conservative talk radio by the late 80's into the early 90's. Rush Limbaugh has said many times, his show would never have taken off and gathered the millions of listeners it has if the lamestream media not become blatantly one-sided.
Then social media came along and pushed the "news" gathering and distribution into the hands of all of us. It is to be expected that social media would go through a series of changes, of refinement i.e. "growing pains" before it settles into some more stable, reliable media. Which it will in time.
I think all of this has been very healthy, even while experiencing "growing pains." We live in an open, free society where dialogue is critical to moving this great democracy (republic) forward. It won't be without its hiccups, however.
But, ahem, has my thread about the Good Guys kicking butt been hijacked!??? (guess that's one of the hiccups too)
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Never seen anyone say something so boldly, have it recorded, and say he didn't say it after that, though.
You sure?
https://youtu.be/kZS2WOvvnU4
https://youtu.be/7DpBwmN66As
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I don't respect the stretching, spinning, or outright lies.
My point was we should always check at least 3 reputable news sources if you want try to figure out the truth.
My point to you was that you have had your head in the sand for 8 years, but suddenly you are an expert on how to sort through the lies.:laugh:
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My point to you was that you have had your head in the sand for 8 years, but suddenly you are an expert on how to sort through the lies.:laugh:
Yea, liberals are now worried about a lot of things that haven't concerned them at all for the last 8 years. One thing I've found laughable is the distraught over Steve Bannon being so close to the Oval Office, but they were fine with Valerie Jarrett. Talk about hypocrites.
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Most people with strong political opinions are hypocritical, from the standpoint of condemning others while engaging in the same behavior.
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Oops!
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PawDawg
My point to you was that you have had your head in the sand for 8 years, but suddenly you are an expert on how to sort through the lies.:laugh:
This is the reason that I don't post on this political section much. I know a lot more than you think and am not pure liberal or conservative. I just post mostly liberal on here, because it is so one sided. The hypocrisy is overwhelming on here, though. If you truly knew me, you would see that I always see both sides of an issue. There is a lot of grey that people on here don't take into account. Most issues are not easy black and white answers. Those that are so sure of themselves are usually the ones that have a problem seeing the real truth. My one post on this thread was not a slam, but many of you went on attack instead of reading it.
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Did you look through the same microscope for Obama misspeak? Of course not. You are a hater trying to come across as a fence rider. I figured you out many years ago.
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Most people with strong political opinions are hypocritical, from the standpoint of condemning others while engaging in the same behavior.
As evidenced by your and Jubru's unrelenting support of obummer, the worst prez in history.
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As evidenced by your and Jubru's unrelenting support of obummer, the worst prez in history.
:rolleyes:
Yeah, you never actually read anything.
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The key is checking more than 3 sources from reputable media. That is what I try to do these days. If it is on 3 three non-conspiracy reputable sources, I tend to believe it. I have seen false information from our President and media this year, but when I see it from multiple reputable sources, it is usually correct.
Way more than three "reputable" sources (CNN, NBC, CBS, etc.) reported on the "video caused the spontaneous uprising in Benghazi" story and ran interference for the administration they KNEW were lying through their teeth; Obama said it as well then denied he ever did. The "reputable" press edited the George Zimmerman 911 tape to try and show that he was only concerned with the race of the person he was following in the neighborhood (Zimmerman was an idiot, but not the racist they tried to show to fit Obama's narrative). The "reputable" media took a document that was obviously a forgery and tried to derail the candidacy of George W. Bush. Now the press is pushing the narrative that Trump is somehow attached to Putin, but they have absolutely no proof to back that up...knowing that pushing the accusation enough will cement it in the minds of the American people.
If you are looking for "reputable media" sources to be consistent of their criticism of Trump, you are going to have a lot of ammo. These are the same folks that would never fact check the previous occupant of the White House, though.
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Not sending the military to rescue the Ambassador and other Americans in Benghazi, Libya is the worst thing that a president has done(or not done) in my life time. The fighting went on for 13 hours with no help on the way. They were finally rescued by Libyan people that Obama and Hillary had overthrown in favor of ISIS. The news media never investigated this story. They let Obama and Hillary off the hook even after they lied about it starting from a video. They even put the man in jail that made the video. There was no outrage from Obama and Hillary lying. The press just skipped over it. But, now the press is making up false stories about Trump and none of these stories are anywhere close to the Benghazi massacre. Everyone's freedom is in danger because of these false stories. My brother called me and told me he heard Trump was going to use 100,000 national guard troops to round up illegal aliens. I asked him if he knew that was a false story made up by the press. It was the headlines of the Arkansas Democrat Gazette when it came out. This kind of reporting is dangerous to our country. I hope Trump keeps fighting it like he is doing, because, that is the only thing that will stop it. They can not continue reporting lies.
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Iraqi army launches final assault to retake Mosul. What is left of the ISIS forces are held up in western Mosul and at the airport nearby. They have an estimated 1,000 soldiers left, out of the 4,500 who originally occupied Mosul. Close in house to house fighting is expected.
Just saw a report stating there are up to 5,000 ISIS fighters still in Mosul. That's more than they started with. Maybe they have recruited from within the city. That's possible. Don't think it'll matter. Their ammo and supplies are about gone. If there's 5,000 they'll be fighting with sticks and stones.
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Just saw a report stating there are up to 5,000 ISIS fighters still in Mosul. That's more than they started with. Maybe they have recruited from within the city. That's possible. Don't think it'll matter. Their ammo and supplies are about gone. If there's 5,000 they'll be fighting with sticks and stones.
I will try to make my point again that I think everyone could agree upon...... After we take out the 5000 (or however many are left), the social media recruitment of new is going to be key. Lone wolf attacks are our biggest threat from ISIS right now. That is a tough one, but so important. No matter if it is ISIS or ISIS inspired.
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champion110
I will try to make my point again that I think everyone could agree upon...... After we take out the 5000 (or however many are left), the social media recruitment of new is going to be key. Lone wolf attacks are our biggest threat from ISIS right now. That is a tough one, but so important. No matter if it is ISIS or ISIS inspired.
Granted. Terrorists have always operated as individuals and in small groups. That'll never change. They will continue to recruit and try to inspire others to commit murder. It's also exactly why we need a VERY tough policy governing who's allowed into this country. And, just as importantly (and maybe more so) why we need a tough, no nonsense law enforcement component to monitor/investigate domestically grown terrorists, and when appropriate, taking interventive action.
Of course, the George Soros-funded leftists will rail against any such policies, citing "racism" and any other -ism they can think of, and engage in violent "protests" all designed to thwart sensible policies.
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Granted. Terrorists have always operated as individuals and in small groups. That'll never change. They will continue to recruit and try to inspire others to commit murder. It's also exactly why we need a VERY tough policy governing who's allowed into this country. And, just as importantly (and maybe more so) why we need a tough, no nonsense law enforcement component to monitor/investigate domestically grown terrorists, and when appropriate, taking interventive action.
Of course, the George Soros-funded leftists will rail against any such policies, citing "racism" and any other -ism they can think of, and engage in violent "protests" all designed to thwart sensible policies.
I think home grown inspired is our biggest problem. We may differ on that, but most acts of terrorism have come from lone wolves within.
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I think most acts of terrorism have come from lone wolves within.
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Our nation's broadcast media is really a joke. Not even a pretense of unbiased reporting exists any longer.
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I think home grown inspired is our biggest problem. We may differ on that, but most acts of terrorism have come from lone wolves within.
And probably 99.9% islamic or islamic converts.
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So true!
These guys need to be run off!
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I will try to make my point again that I think everyone could agree upon...... After we take out the 5000 (or however many are left), the social media recruitment of new is going to be key. Lone wolf attacks are our biggest threat from ISIS right now. That is a tough one, but so important. No matter if it is ISIS or ISIS inspired.
Not only are they inspired by ISIS, they are also inspired by the writings in the Koran. Most muslims are very poor because they are raised in poor countries with very little organized government. They want to be governed by Sharia law. Their religion is all they have and they spend most of their day praying to their mythical god.
Muslim schools teach 90% religion and they are brainwashed as they grow up. They believe that muslim men can have many wives, so the children grow up without fathers. In Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book, Infidel, she writes about her father that just left one day and married another woman. After he married this woman, he married another woman and he did not support the previous families. The only time she saw him was when he told her he had arranged a marriage for her, because he was going to get money from her future husband. The only stability in her life came when her family lived in a UN compound in Nairobi, Kenya. This is a typical life for an African muslim. The only way a muslim can improve their life is to move to another country that is not populated with many muslims.
Religion dominates every hour of their life. They do not try to improve their living conditions. Their religion totally consumes them. A good example of ignorance and lack of education is that there are over 1.6 billion muslims and not one has ever won a Nobel prize in science. Compare that to only 12 million Jews that have won 120 Nobel prizes in science. Muslims will never change as long as they cling to their religion. We certainly don't need them in this country. They will not assimilate with the general population of another country.
Here's some news that will make you think. https://knpr.org/npr/2015-04/worlds-...mvsaAmus8P8HAQ
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Not only are they inspired by ISIS, they are also inspired by the writings in the Koran. Most muslims are very poor because they are raised in poor countries with very little organized government. They want to be governed by Sharia law. Their religion is all they have and they spend most of their day praying to their mythical god.
Muslim schools teach 90% religion and they are brainwashed as they grow up. They believe that muslim men can have many wives, so the children grow up without fathers. In Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book, Infidel, she writes about her father that just left one day and married another woman. After he married this woman, he married another woman and he did not support the previous families. The only time she saw him was when he told her he had arranged a marriage for her. The only stability in her life came when her family lived in a UN compound in Nairobi, Kenya. This is a typical life for an African muslim. The only way a muslim can improve their life is to move to another country that is not populated with many muslims.
Religion dominates every hour of their life. They do not try to improve their living conditions. Their religion totally consumes them. A good example of ignorance and lack of education is that there are close to 2 billion muslims and not one has ever won a Nobel prize in science. Compare that to only 12 million Jews that have won 120 Nobel prizes in science. Muslims will never change as long as they cling to their religion. We certainly don't need them in this country. They will not assimilate with the general population of another country.
Some are..... I know about 10 Muslims (one was a refugee). None of the ones I know are like this. The refugee was fleeing this type of religious persecution. I do agree that some are, though. The key is knowing which ones and (just for me and not imposing this on othes) helping those that are victims, as best we can.
For my Muslim friends, they believe in freedom of religion and came to the U.S. for the same reason as our ancestors. They totally respect my Christianity.
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For my Muslim friends, they believe in freedom of religion and came to the U.S. for the same reason as our ancestors. They totally respect my Christianity.
What is their opinion of Louis Farrakhan?
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What is their opinion of Louis Farrakhan?
Honestly, I would have to ask. I do know that they love being here and I have even brought one of them to church with me once. He stated it was so different, but enjoyed it. My belief is radicalization by any religion is bad news, but that is just me. I do not want to offend anyone on here, because I believe we all have the right to our opinion.
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Some are..... I know about 10 Muslims (one was a refugee). None of the ones I know are like this. The refugee was fleeing this type of religious persecution. I do agree that some are, though. The key is knowing which ones and (just for me and not imposing this on othes) helping those that are victims, as best we can.
For my Muslim friends, they believe in freedom of religion and came to the U.S. for the same reason as our ancestors. They totally respect my Christianity.
They do okay as long as there are just a few of them, but, if there are many of them as there are in Europe, they are not going to assimilate with the rest of the general population. The ones that are fleeing religious persecution are hopefully giving up their muslim religion. That's progress.
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They do okay as long as there are just a few of them, but, if there are many of them as there are in Europe, they are not going to assimilate with the rest of the general population. The ones that are fleeing religious persecution are hopefully giving up their muslim religion. That's progress.
I don't mind them keeping their religion. We have many in this country (which we were founded upon) with different religions. I don't agree with it, but as long as they are not radical in their belief, I believe everyone should have that freedom. Again, as long as it does not hurt others. I know Christians that are extremists that hurt others, so I can't judge. Go by the rules and laws of our country, don't impose your beliefs on another, and love your freedom in this country. That is all I could ask of any religious person of any faith. When those lines blur by infringing upon the rights of another, that is when I have a problem. One of my Muslim friends (and he is still Muslim) has a wife that is a PhD. That couldn't be done in their original country, but he is very supportive of it here and they have assimilated (which dives to your comment above to which I agree) to this culture.
They (just speaking for the ones I know) don't go by the Koran literally - much like we don't go by the Old Testament literally (shellfish, women's rights, stoning your neighbor, etc...).
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By the way, I want to thank those on here that are open to a good conversation and aren't just blasting me for having a slightly different opinion. This is how our country can heal - listening to each other, instead of jumping on the other for a different view point.
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They (just speaking for the ones I know) don't go by the Koran literally - much like we don't go by the Old Testament literally (shellfish, women's rights, stoning your neighbor, etc...).
So you DO go by the New Testament.
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By the way, I want to thank those on here that are open to a good conversation and aren't just blasting me for having a slightly different opinion. This is how our country can heal - listening to each other, instead of jumping on the other for a different view point.
Christianity is not a "different point of view".
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So you DO go by the New Testament.
Christianity is not a "different point of view".
Politics is definitely a different point of view. As for Christianity, there are many Christians that hold very different views and beliefs all over our country and the world. There are many different denominations that believe differently. They one thing in common is believing in Christ. I wish you could understand that I am not on here to argue. I like an exchange of different thoughts and cultural beliefs when I have time. On my way out of town for work the rest of the week, so won't be on here much to discuss. You can believe that all Christians believe all the same things, if you wish. Have a great one!
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Some are..... I know about 10 Muslims (one was a refugee). None of the ones I know are like this. The refugee was fleeing this type of religious persecution. I do agree that some are, though. The key is knowing which ones and (just for me and not imposing this on othes) helping those that are victims, as best we can.
For my Muslim friends, they believe in freedom of religion and came to the U.S. for the same reason as our ancestors. They totally respect my Christianity.
You should read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book, Infidel. It will open your eyes to what being a muslim girl and woman is all about. There is nothing good about it. I'm sure the ones here will tell you how great it is and how they respect other people, but, if you're a female living in a muslim country, it's pure hell. It's a very cruel and disgusting religion that has no regard for humanity. Hirsi Ali has to have armed guards because there have been so many threats on her life by muslims because she told the truth about this disgusting religion. When she lived in The Netherlands, a friend of hers that made a documentary on Islam with her, was stabbed and killed while walking down the street and a note was stuck to the knife that was sticking in his chest that said, "you're next". Every American needs to see this video about Islam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqXVdiT7pdY
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You should read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book, Infidel. It will open your eyes to what being a muslim girl and woman is all about. There is nothing good about it. I'm sure the ones here will tell you how great it is and how they respect other people, but, if you're a female living in a muslim country, it's pure hell. It's a very cruel and disgusting religion that has no regard for humanity. Hirsi Ali has to have armed guards because there have been so many threats on her life by muslims because she told the truth about this disgusting religion. When she lived in The Netherlands, a friend of hers that made a documentary on Islam with her, was stabbed and killed while walking down the street and a note was stuck to the knife that was sticking in his chest that said, "you're next". Every American needs to see this video about Islam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqXVdiT7pdY
Great video.
If we don't get to do our extreme vetting, how long will it be before gays and women are being tossed from rooftops in muslim communities (where they have implemented local sharia law that the left will inexplicably defend)?
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You should read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book, Infidel. It will open your eyes to what being a muslim girl and woman is all about. There is nothing good about it. I'm sure the ones here will tell you how great it is and how they respect other people, but, if you're a female living in a muslim country, it's pure hell. It's a very cruel and disgusting religion that has no regard for humanity. Hirsi Ali has to have armed guards because there have been so many threats on her life by muslims because she told the truth about this disgusting religion. When she lived in The Netherlands, a friend of hers that made a documentary on Islam with her, was stabbed and killed while walking down the street and a note was stuck to the knife that was sticking in his chest that said, "you're next". Every American needs to see this video about Islam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqXVdiT7pdY
And I am all about helping people escape that type of oppression and abuse. That is why I believe in the refugee program so strongly.
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That is why I believe in the refugee program so strongly.
You are okay with it as is? No vetting of those who refuse to meet our requirements?
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You are okay with it as is? No vetting of those who refuse to meet our requirements?
It takes 2 to 4 years for a refugee to get into the U.S. and a rigorous vetting process. That is why we have not seen one act of terrorism by a refugee. That is just a fact. We can disagree on if that is enough, but not the facts. As for religious test, yes, I am against that. That isn't what our country was founded upon. Once here, each one has to go by our laws, though.
My dream would be to work at a refugee camp, honestly. I am too selfish to give up the money I make to do it, though, which does not make me a very good person in my opinion.
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It takes 2 to 4 years for a refugee to get into the U.S. and a rigorous vetting process. That is why we have not seen one act of terrorism by a refugee. That is just a fact. We can disagree on if that is enough, but not the facts. As for religious test, yes, I am against that. That isn't what our country was founded upon. Once here, each one has to go by our laws, though.
Getting your "facts" from which three news sources?
Ohio State University student Abdul Razak Ali Artan who plowed his car into all those people is just one.
There is no "religious test" which is another lie by your "three source" fake news outlets.
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Getting your "facts" from which three news sources?
Ohio State University student Abdul Razak Ali Artan who plowed his car into all those people is just one.
There is no "religious test" which is another lie by your "three source" fake news outlets.
You are SO argumentative and I am unsure why. I feel like my posts are very respectful. Anyway, I never stated there was a religious test. I stated I am against one. Abdul Razak is a great example of what I stated earlier about the radicalization threat. It appears (though I am not sure), he was radicalized after he was in the U.S.
That is going to be the biggest threat from here on out - already is, actually. I think we agree on that point, but not sure.
As for my news sources, I listen to many. I travel by car a lot and my news is CNN, Fox, and mostly Potus (which really does a good job on the middle ground). I have other sources, but relying on one is foolish these days.
So, cut the anger. I will leave the thread and you can discuss with like minded people. I am a little too busy to keep up with the politics forum on here, anyway. God bless you and I hope we all can come to some common ground on the balance between safety and helping others.
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You are SO argumentative and I am unsure why. I feel like my posts are very respectful. Anyway, I never stated there was a religious test. I stated I am against one. Abdul Razak is a great example of what I stated earlier about the radicalization threat. It appears (though I am not sure), he was radicalized after he was in the U.S.
That is going to be the biggest threat from here on out - already is, actually. I think we agree on that point, but not sure.
As for my news sources, I listen to many. I travel by car a lot and my news is CNN, Fox, and mostly Potus (which really does a good job on the middle ground). I have other sources, but relying on one is foolish these days.
So, cut the anger. I will leave the thread and you can discuss with like minded people. I am a little too busy to keep up with the politics forum on here, anyway. God bless you and I hope we all can come to some common ground on the balance between safety and helping others.
You stated a fact. It was NOT a fact. I corrected it and I am the argumentative and angry one?
Why is discussion and disagreement considered anger by the left, but when your peeps organize to act like fools at town hall meetings they are expressing different views?
Of course the hate and oppression he received one in the US is what caused him to go off his Muslim rocker...
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Half truths.
"U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) Director Leon Rodriguez told Congress Thursday that 'not a single act of actual terrorist violence has been a committed by a refugee' who underwent USCIS screening procedures since 9/11."
This is represented as the whole truth...the mic drop moment...the winning argument...the silver bullet: everyone feel safe, and the temporary ban is completely unnecessary. But wait...it isn't the entire story. There are omissions...
1. "But when a senator asked him if it was "correct" that many people who came into the refugee program as adults had been "convicted of terrorist offenses," Rodriguez admitted that that was "correct."
2. “There are individuals who came a long time ago before our modern procedures, but since Sept. 11, all we have had is conspiracies - not only by refugees, but in fact by U.S.-born persons, other kinds of immigrants." Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), chairman of the subcommittee, asked Rodriguez, "You don’t count conspiracies?" "They’re not actual acts of violence. They were effectively disrupted by U.S. law enforcement, is my point, sir," Rodriguez responded.
3. “They looked at all ISIS prosecutions in the United States and determined that of those involved in that, 18 percent were refugees or asylees. Shouldn’t that be of enormous concern to all of us?” Vitter asked Rodriguez. “Without a doubt. Yes,” Rodriguez responded. “My question is: Isn't that a very big percentage? 18 percent.” Vitter asked a moment later. “One percent would be a big percentage. This is an area of significant concern,” Rodriguez said.
4. “Now a few minutes ago, you touted and made a big deal in your testimony, or perhaps in response to a question, that since 9/11 there has been no person who came in as an adult in the refugee program who was convicted of a violent terrorist offense. Now that’s great, but that was a very carefully crafted statement. There are many people who came in as adults in the refugee program who’ve been convicted of terrorist offenses, correct?” Vitter asked. “That is correct,” Rodriguez replied. “Now, we’re all happy that those plots were disrupted, but in terms of security threats possibly posed by the refugee program, those cases are darn relevant, aren’t they? Just as relevant as a successful violent attack?” Vitter asked. “Oh, sure they are, and they inform a number of the improvements that we made over the years. Many of those cases involve admissions that took place a while ago, and even in the last four to five years, there have been significant changes in the way that we vet refugees that makes a difference,” Rodriguez said.
5. During his opening statement, Rodriguez also said that since the U.S. has begun “admitting Syrian refugees under the current crisis, seven percent have been denied because of either credibility or security issues identified based on information from law enforcement intelligence databases. About twice as many have been place on hold because we had concerns.”
I 100% support refugees coming to the US from these countries. I 100% support halting the process until extreme vetting is in place.
I am reminded of a quote from the great philosopher Basher Tarr, "...you don't run the same gag twice. You do the next gag." We should be preparing for the next gag...not the one they just pulled.
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Iraqi forces have taken the airport at Mosul. ISIS took out an Iraqi tank with a drone. The only place they could have gotten such technology was through Turkey. The Turks are a tough bunch to figure out. But I think they want ISIS to destroy the Kurds, or render the Kurds impotent, and then the Turks will actually cooperate in the destruction of ISIS. The Turks are playing both ends against the middle, and are major detriment to the efforts of the allies to destroy ISIS.
A battalion of U.S. marines, the 11th Marines, have taken up positions in line north of Raqqa, Syria. They are right next to a unit of Russians. Hmmm... This represents the second insurgence of US Troops in Syria, "boots on the ground," joining the 75th Army Rangers who have been operating in Syria for some months now.
Much like Mosul, ISIS has a tenuous hold on Raqqa. They are completely surrounded and it's just matter of how bloody the "allies" are willing to allow events to get. Like Mosul, an all-out attack by the allies would overwhelm ISIS defenders. But, it would be very costly both in terms of losses to the attacking forces, and also to the civilians trapped in the city. So, in both cases, there's a siege and slow incursions by special forces.
The situation is a little different at Raqqa though. First, it's in Syria where both the Russians and the Turks have been playing political games. It's also the declared capital city of ISIS. So, the scumbags have heavily defended it and will not surrender it without an all-out fight to the death. Mosul, in Iraq, is a far more stable situation. But even there is the uneasy cooperation between Iraqi and Iranian forces. Some months ago they shot at each other.
I don't like us having troops in harm's way in either place. But, if the US is not involved Russia will call the shots and that will just lead to more, and bigger, problems later.
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"Good morning." Then, it was bye bye.....hah!
US Special Forces parachuted in behind enemy (ISIS) lines around Raqqa, Syria, and oh man! They delivered a special kind of pre-dawn greeting to the unsuspecting slimebags. I suppose the ISIS soldiers saw no need to be taking any kind of precautions as they moved up the road, heading for the front line. After all, they were safely behind their own lines, right? Wrong! Seems the "front" line has moved!
US Special Forces have since linked up with American troops on the old "front" line and have completely cut off a road ISIS had been holding open for re-supply and as a possible escape route. Reportedly the US commander used a PA system to greet the ISIS scum with a "Good morning." Just before US forces opened-fire. The Kurds also played a big role in helping US forces secure that road.
The noose is tightening on the ISIS filth in their own self-proclaimed capital city of the Islamic State.
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Here are some things that I have leaned about muslims when there are more than a few:
1. They do not assimilate with other religions or ideologies that are different from theirs.
2. They are not capable of governing themselves.
3. Only powerful dictators can control them.
4 They do not want a democracy.
5. They want to be governed by sharia law.
6. The men believe they must dominate the women.
We do not need people like this in this country. I would only agree to take the women and young children, no men at all. The women would have to give up the muslim religion to be accepted. It is an awful religion that needs to be eradicated from the face of the earth. Europe is in a hell of a mess with muslim thugs. They will never recover and the barbaric murders are going to go on forever. They really believe their god is telling them to kill people.
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First, more on my post above. In addition to capturing that key road, we (the allies) have captured the dam/reservoir providing the drinking water into Mosul. Of course, we won't cut it off because of the many thousands of civilians trapped in the city.
Speaking of civilians....unfortunately 100+ have died in an alleged allied airstrike. Latest confirmed death toll is 137, with many still missing. The building was serving as a refuge for civilians trying to survive the Battle of Mosul. ISIS, and their apologists, have called for allied airstrikes to cease in Mosul. Well, not is all as it is seems. According to US command the only airstrike activity carried out in that section of the city when the incident occurred was conducted by US attack helicopters and NO ordinance capable of reducing a 5-story building, that size, to a pile of rumble was deployed. The copters were engaged in surgical strikes against ISIS military targets, using guns and light rockets. Even if one of those rockets had struck that building, the damage would have been minimal, not catastrophic.
Well, according to intelligence reports, ISIS scumbags parked a truck next to that building during the 30-minute 'copter attack in the area. That truck exploded taking down the entire building. It was a truck bomb, and this was designed to create worldwide support (sympathy) to stop the airstrikes.
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Kurdish forces have captured an ISIS-held airfield in northern Syria. Backed by US airstrikes, the Kurds easily over-ran ISIS defenses and now possess a military airfield.
But, Turkey, and their Russian co-conspirators, are expressing concern over the Kurds holding this base, and are pushing for Syrian forces, friendly to Assad, to occupy it. Seems this base could have been retaken much sooner, had someone...anyone...supported the Kurds with air support. Of course, until the US got involved....under President Trump....not even the US was interested in supporting the Kurds. Obummer did everything he could to thwart the Kurds. And as such, the blood of all those tens of thousands of civilians who have been butchered by ISIS all these years is on obummer's hands.
Meanwhile, a British-based organization (a front for Islamic extremists) continues to levy accusations against allied air strikes. The latest is an alleged attack on a school house in a remote Syrian village, killing 35 kids. French fighter-bombers have been conducting operations near that village, but the French deny striking the school house. They did say they will investigate the matter.
I'm guessing ISIS blew up the school house, murdering those kids, and trying to attach blame to the allies.
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Kurds hold off an ISIS attack at the dam at Mosul. Another video showing the combat. First, either that cameraman is exceedingly brave....or exceedingly stupid. Bullets whizzing by him, slamming into the dirt all around him. He did record the fighting, up close. During the video two Kurdish soldiers get pinned-down behind a pile of stone blocks, used in construction. Automatic weapon fire, from the ISIS scums, is tearing the stone apart, pieces flying. One of the Kurds looks back at the video camera, grins, then takes his phone out and takes a selfie! Guess he posted it to Facebook too.
An ISIS chithead comes flying toward the Kurds on an ATV, looked like a 4-wheeler of some kind, the Kurds open up and shoot the crap out of him, a moment later there's an explosion and the ISIS's body, and the ATV, go flying up 50 feet in the air. An obvious suicide bomber attempt.
Eventually, the Kurds win the firefight and find 6 dead ISIS scum in the buildings and behind a wall. They drag the bodies to the road and line them up for pics. The rest of the ISIS scumbags had retreated. One of the Kurds looks into the camera, as it pans the bodies, and says in pretty good English, "Their jihad is over."
The whole affair shows how amateurish ISIS is. And even the Kurds function more like a militia than a well-trained professional army. Still, the Kurds are kicking ISIS ass!
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Body count of "good" ISIS scumbags taken out by the MOAB has risen to 94. Probably dozens more buried forever, never to be found, and many more blown into tiny pieces and can't be identified as a scumbag. Will never know exactly how many ISIS scums were killed. (Afghanistan)
Iraqi army officials have confirmed that ISIS has lost 75% of the territory they once held in Iraq. And project ISIS will be 100% defeated in a matter of a few months. Mosul remains the toughest nut to crack. Iraqi special forces are having to fight house to house retaking the city.
At Raqqa, Syria there was the unfortunate friendly fire incident killing 18 SDF soldiers. In better news, the Kurds have cut off and surrounded the town of Tabqa, 25 miles south of Raqqa. The ISIS garrison there is now on its own, no longer receiving supplies/reinforcements out of ISIS-held Raqqa. Likewise, to the north, ISIS forces in the Jalab Valley have been routed and now allied units are systematically hunting down and killing the scattered ISIS forces.
A spokesman for the allies, a SDF official, said the plan is to completely isolate Raqqa before launching the final attack on the city. I suspect we'll see the same kind of slow-go there as we see at Mosul. ISIS will hide behind women and children making the fighting difficult for the good guys.
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Iraqi Special Forces(ISF) have cut off and surrounded "Old City" in Mosul. This is the oldest part of Mosul dating back 1,000 years. Kind of their "historic district." About 40 ISIS scum are being killed daily in this fight. It is street to street, house to house. But the ISF are making more rapid progress recently as ISIS resistance crumbles.
US Special Forces are "boots on the ground" in Afghanistan and are fighting side by side with Afghan army units, in the region of the MOAB drop. The tunnel system is massive, and while the MOAB destroyed the hub of the system, there are still miles of tunnels with scores of separate "doors" and those are being systematically destroyed. According to reports, the MOAB took out the area where most of these tunnels merged. Now, the other end of many of these tunnels, some as far as 5 miles away, are being closed. Of course there were ISIS scum near the end of these tunnels who were not killed by the MOAB. But now they are isolated, without support, no command structure left, and they are trying to fight the Good Guys when we show up. But these are brief fire-fights. The scum "escape" back into their rat holes, and our guys do NOT pursue them, but rather set explosives and collapse the tunnel opening, trapping the ISIS fighters inside to suffocate.
ISIS propagandists, supported by libtard sources, are spreading nonsense such as the MOAB did not work, and no one knows what really happened "because no news is coming out of that region." Well....two things:
1. If "no news" is coming out of that region, how is it that these ISIS/libtard propagandists have enough information to proclaim that "Trump's bomb did not work"?
2. The reason "no news" is coming out of that region is because US Special Forces, together with the Afghan Army, have total control of the region and are denying media and others access to the area. Clearly there is a new sheriff in town, and Marshal Trump is allowing our military on the ground the leeway it needs to conduct operations without micro-management from D.C. It is the Afghan Army that is providing the updates I referenced above. Each day they report to the world, via a statement, how many tunnels have been destroyed that day.
There are also those "bleeding hearts" proclaiming that innocent civilians, captives of ISIS, were in those tunnels and that MOAB and the subsequent operations, have killed civies too. Unfortunately, that is probably true. It is a terrible side-effect of war. I think something like 30 million civilians were killed in World War II. Is anyone suggesting we turn back the clock and give Europe back to Hitler, just to avoid those civie deaths?
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There are also those "bleeding hearts" proclaiming that innocent civilians, captives of ISIS, were in those tunnels and that MOAB and the subsequent operations, have killed civies too. Unfortunately, that is probably true. It is a terrible side-effect of war. I think something like 30 million civilians were killed in World War II. Is anyone suggesting we turn back the clock and give Europe back to Hitler, just to avoid those civie deaths?
Dag nabbit! You just gave the snowflakes and social justice warriors (SJW) something else to whine and protest. ;) :laugh:
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"ISIS administrators"? Who exactly is an "administrator," secretaries??? Oh....bureaucrats!
For more than a month, US sources report, drones have documented the movement, i.e. escape, from Raqqa of these administrators to another city. Seems ISIS is moving their capital from Raqqa before it is completely cut off and surrounded. ISIS controls most of the Deir Ezzor Province and is probably relocating there. In this way they can claim their capital city has not been captured and lost. Nope! they just relocated.
The pro-moooslim terrorist, anti-Good Guy, website "anti-war.com" prints more garbage than the NY Times (and that's saying something).
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The Turks are jerks! Effing Turks attacked Kurdish forces in NE Syria, killing 6 wounding 9. The Turks want the Kurds to defeat ISIS, and then they will try to destroy the Kurds. Since NE Syria, thanks to the Kurds, has been rid of the ISIS scum, the Turks felt it was okay to attack the Kurds. NATO needs to stand up to the Turks.
Meanwhile, Kurdish forces, supported by the US, have entered the city of Tabqa, 35 miles west of Raqqa. It is part of the overall strategy of the US-led coalition to isolate the ISIS-held city of Raqqa.
ISIS is losing, on all fronts.
Watched a video of the Kurds ambushing about 100 ISIS scum, who had gathered in an alley, ready to launch an attack. The video did not disclose where it was. A Kurd fired a shoulder-held rocket launcher....bam!...and then Kurds on rooftops opened up automatic weapons fire. About 5 or 6 ISIS scumbags managed to escape, and were seen running away across the desert. The rest were systematically shot. Even the wounded ISIS scum were shot. The Kurds are not taking prisoners.
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US moves units next to Kurds in Syria. A clear message for Turkey to back off. But, Turkish president Recep Erdogan issued a statement saying the Turks will continue to attack Syrian Kurds, whenever/wherever they wish. President Trump is scheduled to meet with Erdogan next month, and surely the hot topic will be the Turks' war on the Kurds.
In the meantime, US forces moved thru several Syrian cities, on a major highway, drawing a lot of attention in an obvious statement to Turkey, do not mess with the Kurds. And, in the short term, the Turks will halt their air attacks against the Kurds to avoid hitting US troops by accident. But, we need a long term solution to this issue.
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Latest report out of Afghanistan, seems the MOAB (Trump's bomb) did more damage than first thought. As the good guys dig thru the rubble and still hunt some of the ISIS scumbag survivors, we are uncovering a lot of devastation and bunches and bunches of dead terrorists.
Meanwhile in Syria, I love how libtard obummer apologists are trying to give him credit for recent successes. The 900 US Troops (a mix of Marines and Army Special Forces) were ordered last Fall to prepare to enter Syria to support US interests there (i.e. support the Kurds). These units did train and gear up, and about 400 Marines were deployed into Syria while still under obummer, of course, since Trump did not take office until January. Trump told the military to "take the gloves off" and become pro-active in Syria. The Army units were moved into Syria, joining the Marines, and immediately our guys "got into the trenches" next to the Kurds, so to speak. We've seen the results in about 4 short months. ISIS resistance is crumbling fast in Syria.
And so now that things are going our way, the libtards (specifically some jerkweed guest on MSNBC) are crawling out from under their rocks with, "yeah, but those units were first ordered there by president obummer." Yes...and then ordered to stay out of the way and do nothing. The history revisionists will try to give obummer credit (and John Kerry, who was also mentioned).
Trump is kicking ass! Well, no, actually Trump is just allowing our guys to do what they are trained to do and not micro-managing operations on the ground. After we destroy ISIS the obummer apologists will say, "well, Trump doesn't deserve any credit. He didn't actively participate in the decision-making there." BINGO! That's right. Trump is allowing our military commanders to make the decisions they need to make, without political interference from D.C. That's what a good manager does. That's what business managers do. You "hire" good, capable people, give them an overall strategic mission, then get the hell out of the way and let those talented people kick ass!!!
No one anywhere is more capable than the wonderful people who serve in the US military.
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We warned combatants not to eff with us in Syria. That we will error on the side of caution. Well, the bad guys learned a lesson, obummer is no longer in charge and our military is no longer conducting operations like a bunch of snowflakes. Scratch a bunch of scumbags!!! :)
On another note, very disappointing that Erogan is maintaining his hard stance on the Kurds. I guess it's not too surprising, given the long history of the matter, but I was kind of hoping the Turks would take a step back, at least. Yes, admittedly, I was hoping Trump might make a deal that would mitigate Turkey's operations in Syria against the Kurds. Maybe Trump is distracted with stupid stuff...like some memo...and/or maybe the Turks are just too entrenched in their anti-Kurd hatred.
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Erdogan is too busy trying to become the next Middle East strongman. No one will be able to make a deal with him unless the deal accomplishes his goals (NuOttoman Empire). Unfortunately, being nice to the Kurds won't do that.
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We warned combatants not to eff with us in Syria. That we will error on the side of caution. Well, the bad guys learned a lesson, obummer is no longer in charge and our military is no longer conducting operations like a bunch of snowflakes. Scratch a bunch of scumbags!!! :)
On another note, very disappointing that Erogan is maintaining his hard stance on the Kurds. I guess it's not too surprising, given the long history of the matter, but I was kind of hoping the Turks would take a step back, at least. Yes, admittedly, I was hoping Trump might make a deal that would mitigate Turkey's operations in Syria against the Kurds. Maybe Trump is distracted with stupid stuff...like some memo...and/or maybe the Turks are just too entrenched in their anti-Kurd hatred.
When did we warn them?
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When did we warn them?
Just before we attacked.
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Just before we attacked.
Are you talking about the pinprick attack on an airbase that was back up and running in less than 24 hours?
Are we really committed to doing more? And under what circumstances? I don't think we have provided a clear warning except show that we are willing to engage in a tit for tat exchange when they use WMDs.
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Ah....no, not talking about the cruise missile attack.
Happened yesterday, or maybe the night before...that would be Thursday night. Assad's Syrians, accompanied by Iranian-backed Hamas units, were in a convoy on a major highway and were approaching an intersection. If they turned west at that point, it was because they were trying to flank allied forces, mostly Kurds. But between the Kurds and the approaching bad guys were US ground forces, dug in along that road. In years past, under obummer, Assad's military units ignored warnings not to approach US troops....and nothing happened. Under obummer, US forces were under strict orders not to fire unless fired-upon first. But, immediately after Trump was sworn in as POTUS US commanders on the ground sent word to the Syrians that we would treat any approach by Assad's troops or Iranian-backed terrorists as hostile, and shoot first and ask questions later.
Without waiting, without hesitation, just as soon as that convoy turned west and was now approaching our troops, US airstrikes attacked and completely and utterly destroyed the convoy. Other than small group encounters, like patrols, this was the first time the Syrians tested our resolve with a large force. Had obummer, or Killary, been president the Syrians would have driven right past our position and attacked the Kurds, just as they had done before. But, not this time.
Not a peep from Assad, and even the Russians and Iranians are remaining quiet on this. It's like, "oh shit!" the USA no longer has a pussy in charge. This will test Russia's and Iran's resolve to continue to support Assad. It's not over yet, and I expect some kind of reaction, especially from Putin who will "man-up" and try something, probably with a Russian airstrike against our ally, the Kurds. But Putin knows he faces a REAL leader in Trump.
But of course, Trump has colluded with those same Russians...hmmm....wonder why Putin wanted Trump to win the election. Wonder why Putin tampered with all those voting machines across the country and stole the election from Krooked Killary. He had to know he was better off with another pussy in the White House.
Guess we should all watch CNN and MSNBC to get answers to this perplexing question.
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Ah....no, not talking about the cruise missile attack.
Happened yesterday, or maybe the night before...that would be Thursday night. Assad's Syrians, accompanied by Iranian-backed Hamas units, were in a convoy on a major highway and were approaching an intersection. If they turned west at that point, it was because they were trying to flank allied forces, mostly Kurds. But between the Kurds and the approaching bad guys were US ground forces, dug in along that road. In years past, under obummer, Assad's military units ignored warnings not to approach US troops....and nothing happened. Under obummer, US forces were under strict orders not to fire unless fired-upon first. But, immediately after Trump was sworn in as POTUS US commanders on the ground sent word to the Syrians that we would treat any approach by Assad's troops or Iranian-backed terrorists as hostile, and shoot first and ask questions later.
Without waiting, without hesitation, just as soon as that convoy turned west and was now approaching our troops, US airstrikes attacked and completely and utterly destroyed the convoy. Other than small group encounters, like patrols, this was the first time the Syrians tested our resolve with a large force. Had obummer, or Killary, been president the Syrians would have driven right past our position and attacked the Kurds, just as they had done before. But, not this time.
Not a peep from Assad, and even the Russians and Iranians are remaining quiet on this. It's like, "oh shit!" the USA no longer has a pussy in charge. This will test Russia's and Iran's resolve to continue to support Assad. It's not over yet, and I expect some kind of reaction, especially from Putin who will "man-up" and try something, probably with a Russian airstrike against our ally, the Kurds. But Putin knows he faces a REAL leader in Trump.
But of course, Trump has colluded with those same Russians...hmmm....wonder why Putin wanted Trump to win the election. Wonder why Putin tampered with all those voting machines across the country and stole the election from Krooked Killary. He had to know he was better off with another pussy in the White House.
Guess we should all watch CNN and MSNBC to get answers to this perplexing question.
Well, it was discussed in the liberalish LA Times.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/wash...htmlstory.html
As far as Russia collusion. Whether there was or wasn't has almost because eclipsed by the Trump side show around the ordeal which is giving serious concern to the possibility that Trump has committed obstruction of justice. It isn't the crime, but the coverup.
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As far as Russia collusion. Whether there was or wasn't has almost because eclipsed by the Trump side show around the ordeal which is giving serious concern to the possibility that Trump has committed obstruction of justice. It isn't the crime, but the coverup.
Oh, ya mean like the cover-up of Benghazi, of Fast and Furious, of the IRS targeting T-Party chapters, of Killary's use of illegal email, of all the murder victims of the klintons, of obummer's official application and transcripts to college, of his tampered-with birth certificate, of the lies about obummercare, etc.... those cover-ups?
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Oh, ya mean like the cover-up of Benghazi, of Fast and Furious, of the IRS targeting T-Party chapters, of Killary's use of illegal email, of all the murder victims of the klintons, of obummer's official application and transcripts to college, of his tampered-with birth certificate, of the lies about obummercare, etc.... those cover-ups?
Obstruction typically involved lying to law enforcement investigators or prosecutors (when the lie is the obstruction).
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Meanwhile...
coalition forces are gearing up for the final push to retake Raqqa. Kurdish units will spearhead the attack, supported by US airpower and special forces. Syrian units, both those loyal to Assad and the Syrian Democratic Force, will participate. It's a loosely "allied" force who share a goal of crushing ISIS. But, obviously, once the common enemy is destroyed there will be strife among the factions.
As in Mosul, Iraq, where coalition forces are slowly destroying ISIS resistance, there will be "issues" between the allies. At Mosul there are Iranian-backed militia and Iraqi army units who have already fired on each other (some months ago). They have been separated for now, but at some point after ISIS is eliminated, they will come together again. Iraq will want the Iranian-backed militia units to disarm and disband. What are the chances of that happening peacefully?
Iraq and Syria are a mess. For now, crushing ISIS is a common goal. After that, all bets are off. Turkey, Russia, and Iran especially, each with their own special interests, will TRY to influence the post-ISIS region. I don't see how the US can hope to benefit by being an active participant in this pending power-struggle. All we should do is continue to support the Kurds, and at least assure they are allowed to return to their traditional land in northern Iraq and be left to live in peace.
There will be continued civil war in both Iraq and Syria. It will be brutal, killing many hundreds of thousands, with no clear winner emerging. Russia and Turkey will lose soldiers killed in it, get their hands dirty, and will not have a true benefit from it. Iran doesn't care about losing soldiers, either their own or their financially-backed surrogates (militia). And, Iran will fight both sides....er ALL sides, since this will NOT be "A" vs. "B" with clearly defined combatants. The interesting wildcard in this pending mini-World-War is Saudi Arabia and the other true Arab states. They have a lot to gain, and a lot to lose, in this regional conflict and if they are smart, will ally together and force an acceptable conclusion. By picking a side, the least unpleasant one from their point of view, they can at least bring the wholesale fighting to an end and forge some kind of alliance. Mostly, the Arabs should stand against their ancient enemy, the Persians.
For the US, and the West, the question of Turkey being a NATO member could complicate the matter. I HOPE (there is always hope, I guess), the West will make it clear to the Turks that they will be supported, as a NATO ally, but only to the extent of protecting its borders. Incursions by Turkey into Syria and Iraq to attack the Kurds will not be supported. So if a Turkish army finds itself in deep chit in Iraq, bogged down and being defeated...too bad. No NATO bail-out for the Turks. I would make that VERY clear to them now. Hopefully, the Turks will stay out of Syria and Iraq.
Putin? Oh hell, ya know he can't stay out. He will try to influence matters, both through covert support of Assad's forces, and maybe some in Iraq, and out right open military operations.
Get yourself some popcorn and get ready to watch the action.
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Not surprisingly, Russia, via a speech by its foreign minister, cites "the good work that Russia, Turkey, and Iran are doing to restore peace in Syria" while accusing the US of training and supporting "anti-Syria terrorists", which is actually anti-Assad democratic forces, the SDF. It's remarkably revealing for a Russian official to actually say in the same sentence, "Russia, Turkey, and Iran" while referring to Syria.
This same Russian official accuses the US-led coalition of "siding with" ISIS by allowing ISIS units to leave regions around Raqqa as long as those ISIS units went into Syrian (Assad) held regions. The Russians say we (the US-led coalition) are using ISIS as a tool to defeat Assad. Russian planes did attack and destroy an ISIS convoy in a province previously devoid of ISIS scumbags. This Russian then mentioned the recent US airstrike against Assad's forces in southern Syria, saying this proves the US is supporting ISIS while trying to destroy the Syrian nation. On "allowing" ISIS units to leave the Raqqa region, the truth is the coalition forces in the immediate vicinity lacked sufficient troops to stop the ISIS convoys. There were fewer than 1,000 Kurds and ISIS was moving about 6,000 troops, heavily supported by tanks and other armored vehicles. And, as those ISIS forces were moving away from the tactical operational area in the campaign to retake Raqqa, the Kurds "let them go." A few days later, Russian airstrikes practically destroyed those ISIS convoys. What ISIS forces were left scattered into the desert.
Coalition forces are making headway in Raqqa. There are still about 160,000 civilians trapped there, ISIS forces are down to about 2,500 fighters. These are hardcore ISIS scumbags who will fight to the death. They will not surrender, and will not care how many civilians, including children, are killed in the fighting. It will be many months before the battle for Raqqa is won.
And now, ISIS is threatening Saudi Arabia saying, "we will kill you in your homes." The Arabs are fighting Iranian-supported forces in Qatar, and in Yemen too. And, it appears it was Saudi-supported groups that carried out the attacks in Iran. The Iranians are accusing Saudi Arabia of this. Well, good. It's about damn time that Iranians feel the wrath of "terrorist" attacks. Don't like it, do ya!
The Saudis have led an effort to form a coalition of Arab nations to form an army to fight ISIS in both Syria and Iraq. That has spurred ISIS to issue these threats against Saudi Arabia. More likely, this Arab army will do little more than support Jordan and other Arab nations who now stand to inherit "the ISIS problem" from Syria.
What will be, what should be, our role in the future of Syria and Iraq? The region is a mess, and is about to get messier.
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Is THE supreme leader of ISIS dead? That's what the Russians claim, saying they took him, and 30 high-ranking ISIS officials, out in an airstrike last month. I hope it's true, but US Intelligence says it cannot be confirmed.
The push is on in Raqqa. Yesterday the SDF killed 300 ISIS fighters, recaptured two more neighborhoods, and have reached the wall of the inner city. There are still 2,000+ ISIS fighters in Raqqa.
Now, the Russians are "crowding in" stepping up their on-ground presence at Raqqa. Putin wants to claim a piece of the pie when final victory comes. Typical socialist imperialism. The Kurds have carried the load for many months and Assad, Putin, Turkey, and Iran want to squeeze the Kurds out of any benefit from the victory, when it comes. Actually, the Kurds just want their own homeland and to live in peace, in northern Iraq.
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Oh, ya mean like the cover-up of Benghazi, of Fast and Furious, of the IRS targeting T-Party chapters, of Killary's use of illegal email, of all the murder victims of the klintons, of obummer's official application and transcripts to college, of his tampered-with birth certificate, of the lies about obummercare, etc.... those cover-ups?
You forgot about Bill Clinton meeting with Loretta Lynch on the tarmac and then Lynch telling Comey to call the Clinton investigation a "matter"!!
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ISIS launched a well-coordinated surprise attack and retook the Al-Senaa neighborhood, driving out the SDF troops there. This is only a minor setback, and temporary. Most of the Kurds' units who had taken Al-Senaa, had been redeployed to another section of Raqqa where the last road out has now been cut and secured. ISIS used the absence of the Kurds in Al-Senaa, defended only by six small Syrian SDF units, to launch their attack. ISIS has shot their wad. The attack was led by ISIS soldiers wearing captured SDF uniforms who were able to penetrate the SDF defenses using that ruse. ISIS also used the sewers, connected by hand-dug tunnels, to infiltrate behind alliance lines, and ISIS used specialized drones all coordinated in this attack.
The SDF units withdrew in good order to a near-by neighborhood, held by US-backed alliance forces, suffering minimal casualties. Now that Raqqa is secured, 360 degrees, the Kurds will return and retake Al-Senaa with ease. Estimates have remained unchanged: 2,500 hardcore ISIS assholes and 100,000 civilians are still in Raqqa.
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Brief video shows some Kurdish artillery units outside of Raqqa. Every now and then they fire a shot. Lots of milling around, soldiers (artillery units) lounging in the shade of a few palm trees. But the best part is the RV. Yes, a red & white RV parked near the artillery battery and Kurd soldiers going in and out....coming out with can drinks, beer? Doubtful. I hear the Kurds favor Pepsi. That's why they are kick-azz troops!!
An RV? Now, that's the way to fight a war!
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More progress reported from Mosul, Iraq. Slowly, but surely, ISIS is being defeated.
Another video showing whimpering captured ISIS soldiers has been released. Didn't give a location. Bunch of cry babies. It's funny :laugh:.
My favorite is the video from last year showing one ISIS soldier being held in a cage in the back of a pickup truck. The Kurds had captured him and the officer in charge was talking to him, and after each exchange the ISIS craphead burst out in crying rants, like a small child. Then after a minute, the ISIS dude would ask the Kurd officer something, and the officer, in a very calm tone, would say something to him. Then the ISIS dude would break down in hysterical crying.
Finally, a reporter (from the BBC judging by the British accent) asks the Kurd officer what they are talking about. The officer grins, in his best English, says: "the captive wanted to know what we planned to do with him, and I told him not to worry, he would be afforded the same treatment ISIS gives their captives." The reporter, knowing how ISIS tortures and murders their captives, goes: "Oh, man!" The Kurd officer nods, smiles widely, and says: "Yeah, exactly." The other Kurdish soldiers standing around burst out in laughter.
There is also a recently released video showing a female Kurd sniper. She is standing at a window using the sill to rest her rifle and looking thru the scope. Suddenly, a chunk of the wall near her head explodes. An ISIS sniper almost got her. She ducks down and laughs a nervous laugh, obviously shaken by the close call. You can hear laughter and some chatter from her fellow soldiers. After a moment she returns to her perch and resumes her duty as a sniper. Brave lassie.
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British SAS on a scouting mission, 6 soldiers, were ambushed outside of Mosul. They retreated to a dry river bed for cover. For 4 hours they fought against huge odds, about 100 ISIS soldiers. Then they ran out of ammo. Instead of being taken prisoners, to be tortured and murdered, they decided to "die a soldier's death" so....they charged! Using their rifles as clubs and picking up rocks they routed the ISIS scumbags. Finally, a Kurdish patrol came along and what was left of the ISIS unit, retreated. They found 32 dead scumbags, and 12 more badly wounded, taken prisoners by the Kurds. Of the 6 British Special Forces, 3 had serious gunshot wounds, but are expected to make a full recovery. The other 3 have already returned to duty.
Video just released shows ISIS scumbags stomping on Iraqi army uniforms and shouting allah akbar. The ISIS crapheads had captured an Iraqi supply truck which included brand new uniforms, still in plastic wrapper. So...this is what ISIS has come to, beating up clothes. Good thing the uniforms were empty else it would've been the ISIS scum getting beat up.
And, a celebratory video has been released showing civilians liberated in Mosul honoring Iraqi soldiers who had defeated ISIS in that part of the city. ISIS only holds The Old City section of Mosul. The historic district which is surrounded by a high wall. That part of Mosul has very narrow streets and houses and buildings crammed together. ISIS crapheads are using civilians as human shields, so the good guys are having to go slowly, street to street, house to house, using snipers to surgically remove ISIS scum holding women and children hostage.
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dawg80
British SAS on a scouting mission, 6 soldiers, were ambushed outside of Mosul. They retreated to a dry river bed for cover. For 4 hours they fought against huge odds, about 100 ISIS soldiers. Then they ran out of ammo. Instead of being taken prisoners, to be tortured and murdered, they decided to "die a soldier's death" so....they charged! Using their rifles as clubs and picking up rocks they routed the ISIS scumbags. Finally, a Kurdish patrol came along and what was left of the ISIS unit, retreated. They found 32 dead scumbags, and 12 more badly wounded, taken prisoners by the Kurds. Of the 6 British Special Forces, 3 had serious gunshot wounds, but are expected to make a full recovery. The other 3 have already returned to duty.
Video just released shows ISIS scumbags stomping on Iraqi army uniforms and shouting allah akbar. The ISIS crapheads had captured an Iraqi supply truck which included brand new uniforms, still in plastic wrapper. So...this is what ISIS has come to, beating up clothes. Good thing the uniforms were empty else it would've been the ISIS scum getting beat up.
And, a celebratory video has been released showing civilians liberated in Mosul honoring Iraqi soldiers who had defeated ISIS in that part of the city. ISIS only holds The Old City section of Mosul. The historic district which is surrounded by a high wall. That part of Mosul has very narrow streets and houses and buildings crammed together. ISIS crapheads are using civilians as human shields, so the good guys are having to go slowly, street to street, house to house, using snipers to surgically remove ISIS scum holding women and children hostage.
Thanks for posting.