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More like turn off Trump for using the sacrifice of our military for politics of division and his own perceived political gain.
That's exactly what these NFL "players" are doing: using our military and our flag for their own perceived gain in politics. Oh sure, they have a perfect right to do it....and we are perfectly within our rights to bitch about it, and to mobile against it if we want. :icon_razz:
Haven’t watched a single game since the saints started sucking again.
These protesting Americans are doing exactly what the American military fought to enable them to do. And in doing so they are advocating for America to be all that it can be for all Americans. It is not a sign of disrespect for the military; rather it is a sign of protest to American governments that are not doing all that they can to make the protesters' part of America as great as the America of those who deride the players' protest.
And sure, you are free to mobilize against it, but doing so would be small minded and unvirtuous.
I'll be watching Calgary at Saskatchewan at 3:00 on ESPN2 after the ECU-Connecticut game is done on ESPNU.
How about the "protesters" go ride with cops on some night shifts?
NFL players have a perfect right to protest...on their own time.
If I tried to protest in a similar way during my work hours, I would be fired on the spot and would deserve it. NFL players are no different.
If the NFL had a real backbone (such as Pete Rozelle), this would have been nipped in the bud last year with player fines or suspensions.
What these players don't seem to understand is that they are strangling the golden goose that is paying their salaries. NFL ratings are in the tank and will only continue to get worse.
Just strikes me as a poor way to protest the stated grievances...
I watch the saints until they crap the bed in the 3rd, then I'm usually finished with the NFL for the week.
Right! by protesting "the flag" and the National Anthem they are impugning the nation as a whole. That means everything America stands for. By extension, it's an attack on Americans. You mean there is a problem, or problems, so egregious that millionaires who play a child's game are motivated to call attention to it, and by doing so, are making the statement that "Americans" have failed to address said problems? Really? Funny that these same morons are effing MILLIONAIRES PLAYING A CHILD'S GAME! Yeah, sounds like they have every reason to be upset.
Nah! this is the greatest nation on Earth and the greatest in all of history (with ancient Greece a close second). The so-called "problems" they cite are not problems at all. And, also, the truth is the vast majority of Americans agree with me. This is all another attempt by the anarchists, led by that Nazi George Soros, to undermine the USA and bring total chaos to the world's political/economic system. Anyone who knowingly, or just through ignorance, supports this movement is supporting Nazism and one-worldism.
There is no better nation to live in as a non-Hispanic white Christian. That is true.
:icon_roll: Why would it be small minded and unvirtuous to mobilize AGAINST the protesters who stood for the BRITISH national anthem today in London, but would not stand for the AMERICAN national anthem played in the same venue? I don't agree with that kind of behavior. I think their behavior is childish, petulant, and ignorant of everything our flag and nation stands for. I have a right to say what I think just like they do.
Standing for the British national anthem only goes to show you the outright ignorance of these "player protestors". Britain was built on the backs of slaves and has long embraced a social class system that --like many of us-- these players would likely never be able to live and thrive comfortably in. They stood for THAT? :laugh:
I wonder if those same "football player" protesters --who have it better in America than literally anywhere in the world-- would agree to MOVE to England? Oh wait....no NFL there? That shouldn't be a problem, if they really believe in their cause. Let's see how badly they really want to take a stand. :laugh:
The stated message is that the entire country, its founding principles, and populace, is racist. Nebulous, insidious, unspoken, systemic racism.
Show me the specific people and organizations that engage in racism, and I'll be happy to call for them to be identified and punished when they violate the law.
Protesting the entire country is just going to disengage potential allies. As of today, the "movement" has become anti-trump, which means Trump now gets to be on the same side as the Star Spangled Banner and American flag. They unbelievably just gift-wrapped Trump a winning issue...
It's starting to feel like 1987 all over again. Back in 1987, the NFL Players Association made the horrible decision to go on strike. Instead of showing up for practice every day, players picked up signs and picketed coaches offices and stadiums. The fans quickly turned against these players, labeling them as spoiled and ungrateful. Suddenly most NFL teams started holding tryouts for replacement players --dubbed "scabs" by the regular players on protest-- and subsequently went back to business playing games with replacement players.
Long story short, the protesting players blinked first. They hated seeing "replacement" players wearing their jersey number on the football field, playing their favorite game in front of 60K screaming fans that would ordinarily have been cheering for them. Oh....and of course they missed those big, fat, easy paychecks too. ;)
The lesson here is, when the fans turn on you, you're toast. It's happened before.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/27240...987-nfl-strike
I could not disagree with you more. Everyone of this great American's teammates not standing are directly disrespecting him....PERIOD: http://dailysnark.com/steelers-aleja...m-locker-room/
Yeah, I'm out watching the NFL. Entertainment isn't that good and don't agree with disrespecting the flag and anthem.
This is division politics at its worst and exactly how Trump likes to play it. He forced the players to stand up for each other to throw another bone to his base.
I don't disagree. But the level of protest you see today (compared to last week) is a direct result of Trump saying that the protesting players should be fired, and to a much lesser extent his anti player safety comment. There was also serious racist overtones to Trump's comments over the weekend.
Yall realize the Saints are whipping Carolina with 5 minutes left?
Kneeling isn't disrespectful, its been a sign of deference for thousands of years.
The greatest nation on earth wouldn't slaughter children by the millions. Don't replace worship of Football with worship of State.
I was born to be a football fan. Several from my family played at Tech. As much as I love football I will not support a league, its teams and players that disrespects what honoring our flag represents.
I feel liberated in no longer dividing my football enthusiasm between Tech and some NFL teams. From now on it's Saturdays only and the red, white and blue of my beloved Dawgs.
Who dat
Players have every right to kneel during the anthem, and thus fans have every right to turn off the TV and not attend games.
I totally agree. I stopped watching last year and have never missed it. My husband is going to contact Direct TV and drop the NFL package. They will be getting lots of those calls I would guess. The players stupidity will eventually bite them in the wallet. People will not support their crap.
Killing the NFL will probably have some interesting impacts on college football too.
This will go down as the time the golden dotard killed the golden goose!
I tried dropping my NFL package and couldn't get it done "Today" due to lack of provider assistance. I wonder if they're being bombarded. Come tomorrow the NFL won't even be available in my house... good ridence.
Yes. It is simple because it's a simple idea.
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick said, via NFL.com. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
https://www.sbnation.com/2016/9/11/1...n-marshall-nfl
Of course you would be against anything Christian. We know Satan has a firm hold on your soul.
But, beyond that I just love this. Yes, nasty ole non-Hispanic white people. But, why do Hispanics get a pass? They are nothing but descendants of Cortez's Spaniards, EUROPEANS!!! The Conquistadors who slaughtered the Aztecs, Incas, and the Mayans. Why do you think there are Spanish-speaking peoples in Mexico, Central America, parts of South America? Oh, what about Brazilians, descendants of the Portuguese, from where....? Oh! from Portugal, more EUROPEANS! And it was the Portuguese, more than any other nation, who is responsible for the slave trade to the Americas. Yes, the Dutch were also involved, but it was Portugal that dominated the industry. Oh, but now....because they are darker-skinned, why, they are suddenly helpless. Poor, poor woeful them.
So, since it is non-Hispanic Christian white people who are the cause of all those poeples' woes, they should seek to live where there aren't any. But, where? Oh! I know. Mooslim Africa. Yes, that's the ticket. Surely all those who blame non-Hispanic Christian white people for all their troubles would find paradise in the Congo! Maybe even Tanzania, Kenya, the Ivory Coast even. Perfect. They can elect Colon Kapumpernickle as their first emperor!
All I can say to that is.....bye!
If you think America is as good for hispanics, blacks or Muslims as it is for white Christians, you have your head in the sand.
I don't care if it is, or isn't. Not my problem. And if it is so horrible, as you and some others allege, they should leave. (You can go with them. Every village needs an idiot.)
Of course, much like the idiot libtards who all said they would move to Canada if Trump was elected, these same woe-is-me people know they are in the greatest nation on Earth and no way will they ever leave. BTW, isn't it curious how all those non-Hispanic white libtards said they would move to Canada, not Mexico. Funny how they didn't want to actually live with Hispanics. Racists!
If NFL players are in uniform at a game that people are PAYING to see...they have no right to take a knee as a turncoat!!!! Anytime a team does that, I will turn them OFF. If I was there, I would walk out!!! There are plenty of college games to watch without watching rich turncoat players taking a knee!!! When they take a knee...they are showing their ASS!!!
Christianity is defined by the person, teachings, and implications of Jesus. It should not be confused with Christendom (the attempt to tie Christianity with a particular political state). I understand what you're saying but felt inclined to offer clarification on what authentic Christianity is.
That's not how rights work.
The players have every right to take a knee. The league will do what it will do as it has to balance the relationship between the talent and the fans. If enough fans turn off the TV, you'll see change.
It's the beauty of the free market!
You can't mandate respectful compliance. Our founders thought that kind of thing was terrible.
These protests are quintessentially American. The free market response is too. I don't understand why everybody's dander is up! This is who we are! And, it's great!
FWIW, the players don't have a right to do this in the setting they are doing it in. They are at work. Their employers are allowing it to happen.
Funny to see the owners and TV execs squirm now. I LOVE it! One crazy comment from President Trump and the whole sorted mess comes to a head.
India is in Asia.
They don't lose the right because they're at work. They are not protected from speech related termination, but their first amendment rights are in tact while on the clock.
I think your bigger point is true...the NFL is in favor of the players being free to protest in this fashion.
How about the Pee Wee league: https://www.sbnation.com/2017/9/20/1...youth-football
I received some texts today asking my thoughts on the NFL situation and some were from folks who read and post on here. Well, I'd say I was done with the NFL before Kaepernick hit the scene.
Respectfully, I disagree.
It is simple because it's a simple charge- that racism is inseperable from the United States as it currently exists. Kaepernick is not saying the police are racist, or that the NFL is racist. He's saying the country is racist, hence the protest of its anthem.
I don't understand why people who are protesting the national anthem by kneeling are upset with those who offended by people who disagree with them? If they can be offended by some statue and have they removed, we are not allowed to be offended by anything that we disagree with? Guess it only works one way...:furious3:
Kind of funny and sad to watch how you guys construct and contort the position of the protesters to avoid recognizing their legitimate grievances and to rally around our dotard president.
Yes and it is a good read. I've seen Watson speak in person and was a huge fan. He's a great man.
https://m.facebook.com/BenjaminWatso...58697434257388
Trump supporters want to equate the flag to the military, and it isn't the same. The flag is a symbol of the country. The protest is intended to draw attention to the fact that some communities don't enjoy the same American experience as others - that the country as a whole is failing to live up to its moral standard.
I see. What did Kapernick want to see done? Change of our judicial system to ignore black crime? Reparations? He never said. What do YOU think should be done to repair the travesties we see against anybody who is not a white Christian male? BTW, do you think Jews and Mormons have been discriminated against?
If you have a problem you need to be prepared to offer a solution when you begin to complain about it. You, Kapernick, nor any of those protesting the poor treatment of blacks (and this is about blacks) have offered an idea. Hate speech is all they have to offer. What do YOU have to offer?
My solution is spiritual which you think is silly.
He's spoken since then...and even then, he says there is a real problem he hopes the protestors bring attention to. You think he would agree with your summary of the protestors' (there are many) gripe?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ump/index.html
[QUOTE=Guisslapp;1664495]I didn't exclude them. I said if you are not a white Christian and then gave some examples.
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A Christian is a Christian. Red, yellow, black, white or in-between. It doesn't matter.
Also, Drew Brees offered the most well thought out response of anyone yet.
The next football player who wants to protest while on the job should do so by playing without a helmet.
FWIW, I don't think he spoke to any specific issues in the article, sans Charlottesville.
I fully agree with what Watson says, including his decision not to protest. The mode of protest is not his. I agree because it targets the wrong thing. America, its people, and values have brought prosperity in spite of racism, not because of it. The institutions and laws of the US have hindered racism. That is not to say that horrific racism does not exist today. I argue that the way to eliminate racism is to stamp it out when you see it.
It is telling that there is no one issue that sparked the kneeling protest, because there isn't one. It's a general belief that the country is systemically oppressing people of color. And the country is the founding principles, ideals, and its people. Do you think Kaep would disagree with that? That is what I originally summarized.
The entire country? The populace?
Come on...you were editorializing.
I don't know whether Kaep would agree with your softened statement.
Do you believe that inequality exists? Is it a "tougher row to hoe" in this country if you're a minority?
That's what the protests are about. You can answer no to my questions and still understand that something more is being said than, "all you white people are racists."
Like I said, you've over-simplified.
I think it's much deeper than that and that the shame felt by those who can't deny a cultural decline that continues to grow must be blame that on anything other than their culture. The problem is not racial, but those who are touched by it seem have no other response.
I've heard Watson and other black men say many times the problems are based on lack of family unit and or lack of father figures. This problem is now spreading to other races in a big way and has become the norm rather than the exception. We are in deep trouble as a nation unless we stop looking back and begin to face the real problems of breakdown of the family unit.