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Originally Posted by
The Historian
Just to clarify. I believe that many of the Big 12 Presidents want to move now before the Big 10 inevitably expands. But I don't think Big 12 expansion - if it's just 2 - includes Houston. Eventually, the Longhorn Network will become the Big 12 Network. They will need new markets.
I wrote this in another thread in December. It's become apparent in recent months that the Big 12 was going to either expand or die as we know it. The only way for schools to get out of the Grant of Rights that were signed in 2010 was if the conference lost 5 or more schools and the league simply died from a legal standpoint. Scenarios were emerging that would send Missouri and Kansas to the Big 10, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and TCU to the SEC, and West Virginia and one other school to the ACC, possibly UConn. That would kill the Big 12.
While Texas has been against expansion, none of the rumors involving other leagues included the Longhorns. The only other landing spot for Texas would be the Pac 12. If the Pac 12 said they had no interest, Texas would be left in the Big 12 with Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas Tech, and Baylor and then having to rebuild the league.
That scenario might have just prompted a change of heart from the Longhorns, who have opposed expansion.
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The question now is what does the Big 10 do if Kansas - a school they really want - is in a league that's stable with a new Grant of Rights.
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The bigger question is how many teams does the AAC lose and then how many does CUSA lose, and do we have any shot at being one of them? Probably not, imo.
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The more schools pulled out of the AAC the better for us. I actually would feel comfortable at 3.
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faninmonroe
The more schools pulled out of the AAC the better for us. I actually would feel comfortable at 3.
I think 4 teams leaving the AAC would be good for LA Tech, especially if SMU and Tulane are still in the AAC.
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The only thing that would "save/improve" the BigXII is to transform the Longhorn Network. If that were to happen they would not need to expand.
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Dawgpix
The only thing that would "save/improve" the BigXII is to transform the Longhorn Network. If that were to happen they would not need to expand.
See my previous post in this thread. They have to expand to keep the league from falling apart. They could go from 10 schools to 5 schools, at which time the Grant of Rights signed in 2010 would be null and void.
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Tell me about the TV contract in the Grant of Rights?
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I know I could go do the research, but would somebody mind giving a real short explanation of what the grant of rights is/does?
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Tech77
I know I could go do the research, but would somebody mind giving a real short explanation of what the grant of rights is/does?
Until 2024-25
Here's a quick explanation of the grant of rights:... if a Big 12 school leaves for another league in the next 13 years, that school's media rights, including revenue, would remain with the Big 12 and not its new conference.
Apparently 5 is the magic number that nullifies the TV deal.
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maddawg
Until 2024-25
Here's a quick explanation of the grant of rights:... if a Big 12 school leaves for another league in the next 13 years, that school's media rights, including revenue, would remain with the Big 12 and not its new conference.
Apparently 5 is the magic number that nullifies the TV deal.
Sounds like a litigator's dream.
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The Big 12’s television consultants put forth a compelling presentation in Dallas on Tuesday. They showed how four new teams combined with the addition of a conference championship game could add nearly one billion additional dollars before the league’s deal with ESPN and Fox expires in 2025.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaa...ansmsnsports11
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If I had to guess, I would say the B12 takes Cincy and Houston and then AAC takes USM and Rice. CUSA then either stays at 12 or raids the Sun Belt again. Not a pretty scenario for us. :((
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TulsaDawg
If I had to guess, I would say the B12 takes Cincy and Houston and then AAC takes USM and Rice. CUSA then either stays at 12 or raids the Sun Belt again. Not a pretty scenario for us. :((
A source familiar with the Big 12’s thinking told SI.com on Tuesday that it looks “nearly definite” that the league will expand by two schools and “highly possible” the league could expand by four schools.
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TulsaDawg
. CUSA then either stays at 12 :((
And one season we only had 3 home games. A repeat?
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TulsaDawg
If I had to guess, I would say the B12 takes Cincy and Houston and then AAC takes USM and Rice. CUSA then either stays at 12 or raids the Sun Belt again. Not a pretty scenario for us. :((
Everything I've read says NO to Houston. They already have that market covered.
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TulsaDawg
If I had to guess, I would say the B12 takes Cincy and Houston and then AAC takes USM and Rice. CUSA then either stays at 12 or raids the Sun Belt again. Not a pretty scenario for us. :((
USM is in a horrible financial mess right now. Other than a little better football attendance they don't offer as much as LaTech.
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Cool Hand Clyde
And one season we only had 3 home games. A repeat?
If you mean games in Ruston there were two years in a row when we only had 3 games in Ruston.
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http://www.sbnation.com/college-foot...nn-houston-ucf
BYU & UCONN enhance the academic side of thing - isn't that what this is all about!!! COLLEGES :laugh:
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The Historian
The question now is what does the Big 10 do if Kansas - a school they really want - is in a league that's stable with a new Grant of Rights.
The big question to me is why does the Big 10 need another whipping boy for football.
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Michigan State and Kansas would be an epic rivalry in hoops.
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If dominos fall, such that the Big 12 becomes the Big 16, it will most definitely include 3, maybe 4, current AAC schools. BYU might join three AAC schools (Houston, Memphis, and Cincy) to make 4 joining the B12.
So, then the AAC will raid CUSA. Will take 3, Rice and USM for sure, and someone else. Or, maybe Rice, USM and a MAC school, maybe Northern Illinois, given its "success" in football (Orange Bowl appearance in 2012) and its Chicago market.
If CUSA loses two, we will be down to 12, lose three, and we have 11, which allows a nice 5-5 balanced schedule in hoops. And, if CUSA wanted, could play 10 league games and two OOCs in football.
One thing is sure, Tech will be left chasing open spots in "higher up" conferences, just as we chased the WAC and then CUSA. But will miss the next round and will only find a place in the AAC after more schools leave.
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If Big 12 adds 4 teams, they will have 14 teams
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With the conference championship game deregulated and a TV contact negotiation coming up, I'm not sure the AAC completely restocks. If they do, there's a solid chance it won't be from Conference USA.
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parialex
With the conference championship game deregulated and a TV contact negotiation coming up, I'm not sure the AAC completely restocks. If they do, there's a solid chance it won't be from Conference USA.
Thanks for the usual voice of reason.
Our peeps are convinced USM will be the first choice of restocking. Must be true if they keep saying it.:)
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parialex
With the conference championship game deregulated and a TV contact negotiation coming up, I'm not sure the AAC completely restocks. If they do, there's a solid chance it won't be from Conference USA.
Who then?
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There's also some rumblings about Colorado going back to the Big 12. Not sure how much validity that rumor has, but it's probably true the powers-that-be at CU are thinking about it. They would be stupid to not at least consider the pros and cons of going back.
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dawg80
Who then?
Non-C*USA schools I'd expect to see approached: Colorado State (especially if UH is left behind), Air Force (especially if CSU leaves MWC), Army (especially if AFA joins), New Mexico (if CSU and/or AFA leave the MWC), Northern Illinois. Also possibilities (assuming Cincinnati goes): Toledo, Akron, and Ohio.
That's not to say Conference USA schools won't be considered. That they don't have to expand means that this time is likely to be different than previous ones, though. A lot is going to depend on what the networks have to say. But if they can't get MWC school and/or Northern Illinois or Army, I think they stop at 9 or 10. The wildcard is Navy. If they lose three or four schools, *and* Navy goes, that'll likely decrease the attractiveness from MWC schools and Army, and they will more likely need to restock from Conference USA or MAC (and even MAC schools may not be too interested). That's a worst-case scenario for the AAC, though.
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Saw one of those college football shows on ESPN a couple of days ago where a pundit said that the Big 12 itself is in big trouble because several teams headed by Texas want to move. To Big 10 or PAC 12. Pundit believes it could lose its power 5 status.
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counselingdawg
Saw one of those college football shows on ESPN a couple of days ago where a pundit said that the Big 12 itself is in big trouble because several teams headed by Texas want to move. To Big 10 or PAC 12. Pundit believes it could lose its power 5 status.
The Big 12 is fine until sometime around 2024, when the Grant of Rights runs out. One of the concerns among Houston fans is that additions will be brought in only to see the conference dissolve them. But there is talk that this expansion will come with an extension of the GOR.
Texas likes the Big 12, because it's the only conference that lets them have the LHN. If the Big 12 were to dissolve, they'd either lose their network or would have the headaches of independence.
The bigger threat is OU, which could get on SEC, Big Ten, or maybe the Pac-12. And if OU leaves, that creates a problem for Texas. On the other hand, OU will have a hard time blowing up the conference without Oklahoma State having a nice landing place. While OU could get into a better conference, they are not such a commodity that they can demand OSU come along. This was the problem with the "OU/KU to Big Ten" talk. Oklahoma State and K-State.
Things are not great in the Pac-12 either. The solution to this might be some sort of merger between the Pac-12 and Big 12 into a couple of conferences. Basically an upper conference with the best teams, and a lower conference with the rest. That's pure speculation on my part.
If there is not any sort of extension of the Grant of Rights, I'm expecting things to blow up around 2024, which is when the GOR of both the Pac-12 and Big 12 end.
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parialex
there is not any sort of extension
twss
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http://www.espn.com/college-football...ools-expansion
Looks like the list of candidates for Big 12 expansion is set. Some of those names in the article just don't seem like they belong in the discussion at all.
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Built4Speed
I think a lot of these teams are there to muddy the water enough to hide true intentions. Many of the unrealistic teams (NIU, ECU, Temple) will get to milk it for their troubles.
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Houston & Cincy is my guess
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I see they have the original University of Louisiana on the list
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http://www.sbnation.com/college-foot...es-realignment
Says 17 in conversations/presentation (15 known, 2 unknown). While I think it's a long shot, did Guice try to apply?
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I count 17 in this ESPN article
Among the 17 schools that will make their presentations to the Big 12 are Cincinnati, Houston, BYU, South Florida, UCF, UConn, Memphis, Colorado State, Boise State, Tulane, Temple, East Carolina, SMU, New Mexico, Northern Illinois and San Diego State sources said.
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maddawg
Houston & Cincy is my guess
Mine too. If not Cincy, then Memphis maybe. But I'm about 97.5% sure it'll be Cincy over Memphis.
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Built4Speed
Mine too. If not Cincy, then Memphis maybe. But I'm about 97.5% sure it'll be Cincy over Memphis.
leaving Houston out would be an interesting wrinkle. Better for us imo
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Tech was going to be invited to the Big12.
Then we unveiled that big ugly pressbox thing, and that was the deal-breaker.
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BearDawg137
Nope. When Arkansas State gets an interview with the Big 12, you know that Guice and McClelland didn't even try. Very disappointing. :(
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sportdawg
I count 17 in this ESPN article
Among the 17 schools that will make their presentations to the Big 12 are Cincinnati, Houston, BYU, South Florida, UCF, UConn, Memphis, Colorado State, Boise State, Tulane, Temple, East Carolina, SMU, New Mexico, Northern Illinois and San Diego State sources said.
That's only 16. Originally they said 17 but only knew 14. Then Northern Illinois was added. Then San Diego State was added. And lastly Arkansas State was added. Embarrassing for our leadership. We didn't even try.
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Dawg06
That's only 16. Originally they said 17 but only knew 14. Then Northern Illinois was added. Then San Diego State was added. And lastly Arkansas State was added. Embarrassing for our leadership. We didn't even try.
Haven't heard AkState, but if they or anyone from the SunBelt is being interviewed, and we didn't even try, then yes, that is embarrassing.
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BearDawg137
Haven't heard AkState, but if they or anyone from the SunBelt is being interviewed, and we didn't even try, then yes, that is embarrassing.
Yep. And make it 18. Air Force is a late add.
Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN 5m5 minutes ago
Now up to 18 on Big 12’s expansion list: AF ArkSt Boise BYU Cincinnati CSU UConn ECU Houston Memphis NIU NM SDSU SMU Temple Tulane UCF USF
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Dawg06
Yep. And make it 18. Air Force is a late add.
Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN 5m5 minutes ago
Now up to 18 on Big 12’s expansion list: AF ArkSt Boise BYU Cincinnati CSU UConn ECU Houston Memphis NIU NM SDSU SMU Temple Tulane UCF USF
Compared to many of those schools, Louisiana Tech would be a better fit geographically, academically, competitively, fan base-wise, and/or Big 12 brand-wise as we are not a directional or city school. Really sad our leaders didn't even try.
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Dawg06
Compared to many of those schools, Louisiana Tech would be a better fit geographically, academically, competitively, fan base-wise, and/or Big 12 brand-wise as we are not a directional or city school. Really sad our leaders didn't even try.
Agreed, while not market strong, we do have a niche location with closeness to Arkansas, Mississippi, East Texas, and Northern Louisiana. Though, these supposed named schools could just be another click-bait rumor...
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BearDawg137
Agreed, while not market strong, we do have a niche location with closeness to Arkansas, Mississippi, East Texas, and Northern Louisiana. Though, these supposed named schools could just be another click-bait rumor...
Our market really isn't bad. Yes, Ruston is small, but our market is so much bigger. Our home markets are Shreveport and Monroe (#58 combined) with access to all markets statewide. Even The Baton Rouge/New Orleans/Acadiana Advocate sent somebody to cover Tech at C-USA Media Days. The Alexandria Town Talk occasionally runs Tech stories. Imagine if we got a Big 12 invite. Not only that, there are no professional teams within a very large radius of Ruston (Jackson MiLB team the closest?), and Tech is by far the biggest show in both markets, which means Tech has so much greater market presence than most of those other schools.
Then we could make the argument that Tulane would never deliver the NOLA or Louisiana market. Students from Louisiana make up a very small percentage of their student body, and the vast majority of their alumni move up to the northeastern United States outside of Big 12 country, which is why the private school has no fan base in the greater New Orleans area and has very little potential to grow a fan base. On the other hand, Louisiana Tech has much more statewide appeal than Tulane.
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Dawg06
Our market really isn't bad. Yes, Ruston is small, but our market is so much bigger. Our home markets are Shreveport and Monroe (#58 combined) with access to all markets statewide..
Jim Oakes used this to help get us in the WAC. We've never used it since.
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Im fairly certain B12 is accepting presentations from whomever wants to try. ASU is not a serious candidate in any way. But they provide a smokescreen for the real candidates. I think it'd be fine if we gave a presentation. We aren't in serious contention, but it never hurts to get your name on a list on ESPN.
But that's not who we are.
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Blue Dawg
Im fairly certain B12 is accepting presentations from whomever wants to try. ASU is not a serious candidate in any way. But they provide a smokescreen for the real candidates. I think it'd be fine if we gave a presentation. We aren't in serious contention, but it never hurts to get your name on a list on ESPN.
But that's not who we are.
Is that who we should be--a smokescreen?
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maverick
Is that who we should be--a smokescreen?
Nah. But I don't think it's a bad idea for ASU to apply regardless of the reality. They've got nothing to lose by it. If nothing else, it's good practice.
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maddawg
Jim Oakes used this to help get us in the WAC. We've never used it since.
In fairness, Bruce used this in presentations to CUSA and in his presentations to alumni groups as to why we should be in CUSA. He also used the fact there were no power conference schools or schools in CUSA at the time in an area that stretched from Fayetteville down to Houston over to Baton Rouge up to Memphis.
Bruce is also the first person within the athletic department us the term "Extended DMA" when talking about our TV market and the fact we were, in fact, in both the Shreveport and Monroe TV markets.
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Dawg06
Our market really isn't bad. Yes, Ruston is small, but our market is so much bigger. Our home markets are Shreveport and Monroe (#58 combined) with access to all markets statewide. Even The Baton Rouge/New Orleans/Acadiana Advocate sent somebody to cover Tech at C-USA Media Days. The Alexandria Town Talk occasionally runs Tech stories. Imagine if we got a Big 12 invite. Not only that, there are no professional teams within a very large radius of Ruston (Jackson MiLB team the closest?), and Tech is by far the biggest show in both markets, which means Tech has so much greater market presence than most of those other schools.
Then we could make the argument that Tulane would never deliver the NOLA or Louisiana market. Students from Louisiana make up a very small percentage of their student body, and the vast majority of their alumni move up to the northeastern United States outside of Big 12 country, which is why the private school has no fan base in the greater New Orleans area and has very little potential to grow a fan base. On the other hand, Louisiana Tech has much more statewide appeal than Tulane.
It was probably the wrong time for Tulane to build a 23,000 seat stadium.
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The Historian
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Bruce is also the first person within the athletic department us the term "Extended DMA" when talking about our TV market and the fact we were, in fact, in both the Shreveport and Monroe TV markets.
Thanks for the correction. Apparently our SIDs never reported Bruce's presentations. He didn't do a very good job of selling it to the North Louisiana media because they certainly never reported those positives like they did when Jim was in charge. Bruce never cared much for the local media and no surprise that they didn't care for him.
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Dawg06
Yep. And make it 18. Air Force is a late add.
Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN 5m5 minutes ago
Now up to 18 on Big 12’s expansion list: AF ArkSt Boise BYU Cincinnati CSU UConn ECU Houston Memphis NIU NM SDSU SMU Temple Tulane UCF USF
Add Rice and UNLV to the list...
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Dawg06
Add Rice and UNLV to the list...
Yikes! Getting pretty ridiculous.
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UNLV could be a pretty serious contender for the Big 12. I agree that Tech should at least make a presentation and give it the old college try. If nothing else, it helps with perception, which really means something these days. If we were talked about in connection with the Big 12, it could help get the attention of the AAC.
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StrayDawg
UNLV could be a pretty serious contender for the Big 12. I agree that Tech should at least make a presentation and give it the old college try. If nothing else, it helps with perception, which really means something these days. If we were talked about in connection with the Big 12, it could help get the attention of the AAC.
True, and could give our AD (which I've read some of you malign as a poor talker) some interview experience for the AAC pitch.
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I don't know, when your AD gets on Shreveport radio and says when coaches at schools like :oMcNeese and La Tech" receive interest from SEC schools they have to listen - I don't know if I want him presenting anything to ANYONE on our behalf....:bomb::o:furious3:
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Dwayne From Minden
I don't know, when your AD gets on Shreveport radio and says when coaches at schools like :oMcNeese and La Tech" receive interest from SEC schools they have to listen - I don't know if I want him presenting anything to ANYONE on our behalf....:bomb::o:furious3:
True
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StrayDawg
. If we were talked about in connection with the Big 12, it could help get the attention of the AAC.
We already have the attention of the AAC and don't need to pull sunbeltish tricks to make our case any stronger.
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Built4Speed
Mine too. If not Cincy, then Memphis maybe. But I'm about 97.5% sure it'll be Cincy over Memphis.
If the Big XII was smart, they would take BYU before anyone else. Why? Because BYU is a very respectable football program that can routinely pack 60K fans into their stadium. BYU also has probably the best TV network in all of college football (the BYU network) and about 30 MILLION Mormons in their fan base. Nobody else on this list of "wannabees" comes close to the massive reach that BYU has.
Where else can the Big XII pick up 30 million new fans overnight?
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HogDawg
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Where else can the Big XII pick up 30 million new fans overnight?
Notre Dame could bring in more that that.
Jus' Sayin'
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HogDawg
..... and about 30 MILLION Mormons in their fan base......
Interested how you figure that :icon_roll:, given that there are maybe 15 million Mormons in the world, and maybe about 6 million in the United States ??
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HogDawg
If the Big XII was smart, they would take BYU before anyone else. Why? Because BYU is a very respectable football program that can routinely pack 60K fans into their stadium. BYU also has probably the best TV network in all of college football (the BYU network) and about 30 MILLION Mormons in their fan base. Nobody else on this list of "wannabees" comes close to the massive reach that BYU has.
Where else can the Big XII pick up 30 million new fans overnight?
They'd be glad to have BYU. BYU would be glad to have them. BYU will not play on Sundays. Not any sport.
That's a deal breaker for both BYU, the Big12, and the NCAA.
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Bearpaw
True, and could give our AD (which I've read some of you malign as a poor talker) some interview experience for the AAC pitch.
Not true. BVD was the poor speaker.
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Originally Posted by
Dwayne From Minden
I don't know, when your AD gets on Shreveport radio and says when coaches at schools like :oMcNeese and La Tech" receive interest from SEC schools they have to listen - I don't know if I want him presenting anything to ANYONE on our behalf....:bomb::o:furious3:
Did he really say that? :shocked2: Actually adding McNeese in that statement would be totally brain dead. WOW!
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TYLERTECHSAS
Did he really say that? :shocked2: Actually adding McNeese in that statement would be totally brain dead. WOW!
Yep. He likened us to McNeese and said "Goff had to take the Bama job" because they compete at a "higher level" even though Fletch was saying Tech had a better baseball program than Bama. :rolleyes4:
I want our AD to say enough of this "P5 separation, another level" BS. Tech is a Tier 1 national research university that competes at the highest level in all sports. That's what his response should be. That's how the A-10, AAC, and MWC respond. They don't let anyone call them a "mid-major." Of course, with 30+ conferences some are stronger and/or more lucrative than others, but Tech competes at the highest level, which is NCAA Division I FBS. Last I checked, Troy Edwards still holds the major college record for most receiving yards in a game, and the Lady Techsters won 3 major college national titles. Enough of the faux segregation created and promoted by the media.
Parkway's Feaster had a much better response. "Who is the Power 5? Who came up with that? I've never even heard of it til last year." Feaster went on to say that the playoff should expand so Tech can have a shot at the national title.
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TYLERTECHSAS
Not true. BVD was the poor speaker.
He makes a mistake in almost EVERY interview he does. He does okay when giving a written speech, but he is far from a good speaker considering the job he holds.
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maddawg
He makes a mistake in almost EVERY interview he does. He does okay when giving a written speech, but he is far from a good speaker considering the job he holds.
Are you talking about TM or Trump?
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Originally Posted by
Dwayne From Minden
I don't know, when your AD gets on Shreveport radio and says when coaches at schools like :oMcNeese and La Tech" receive interest from SEC schools they have to listen - I don't know if I want him presenting anything to ANYONE on our behalf....:bomb::o:furious3:
I agree...dude doesn't need to speak publicly off the cuff. That's not just scary, that's asinine.
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Dawg06
Yep. He likened us to McNeese and said "Goff had to take the Bama job" because they compete at a "higher level" even though Fletch was saying Tech had a better baseball program than Bama. :rolleyes4:
That's idiotic on his part! Matter of fact I want a strong AD willing to threaten a lawsuit on the P5. :D
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Cool Hand Clyde
We already have the attention of the AAC and don't need to pull sunbeltish tricks to make our case any stronger.
EXACTLY! Below is what SB Nation thinks of stAte seeking membership in the Big-12. We don't need, much less want, such comments associated with our university/athletics.
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Here’s a list of every dang school we could find that has expressed interest. Surely others are interested, and we’ll add them as more names emerge.
Arkansas State
In August 2016, the Red Wolves were one of 17 teams reported by ESPN as preparing to give video pitches to the Big 12.
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source: http://www.sbnation.com/college-foot...andidates-list
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dawg1984
There are a lot of names on that list that we would like to be associated with. We shouldn't make ourselves look bad, but we should make the pitch. In fact, that article proves my point. Those teams are getting press tying their names to the Big 12. Louisiana Tech isn't.
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StrayDawg
There are a lot of names on that list that we would like to be associated with. We shouldn't make ourselves look bad, but we should make the pitch. In fact, that article proves my point. Those teams are getting press tying their names to the Big 12. Louisiana Tech isn't.
And in the end, they will get more press--not for their temerity, but for their foolishness.
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maverick
And in the end, they will get more press--not for their temerity, but for their foolishness.
Thank you!
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nadB
Interested how you figure that :icon_roll:, given that there are maybe 15 million Mormons in the world, and maybe about 6 million in the United States ??
You really have trouble following the important points, don't you?
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maddawg
They'd be glad to have BYU. BYU would be glad to have them. BYU will not play on Sundays. Not any sport.
That's a deal breaker for both BYU, the Big12, and the NCAA.
Not sure why. That's a silly excuse to not invite a good athletic program. Scheduling around Sundays just isn't that tough. We're not talking about the NFL here.
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HogDawg
Not sure why. That's a silly excuse to not invite a good athletic program. Scheduling around Sundays just isn't that tough.
Probably not too difficult for football, but it could still be a rare conflict. Think politics which has entered into the BYU/Big 12 discussion. As you know the Big12 would cave to the PC police in a heart beat.
MBB could bring on many Sunday conflicts.
WBB, Baseball, and other minor sports would likely cause constant Sunday conflicts.
BYU announced almost immediately they would accept a football only membership into the Big12. They still want a no Sunday guarantee. The Big12 will not give that guarantee, if for no other reason, political correctness.
Mormons don't waiver in their tenets.
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PawDawg
Probably not too difficult for football, but it could still be a rare conflict. Think politics which has entered into the BYU/Big 12 discussion. As you know the Big12 would cave to the PC police in a heart beat.
MBB could bring on many Sunday conflicts.
WBB, Baseball, and other minor sports would likely cause constant Sunday conflicts.
BYU announced almost immediately they would accept a football only membership into the Big12. They still want a no Sunday guarantee. The Big12 will not give that guarantee, if for no other reason, political correctness.
Mormons don't waiver in their tenets.
The Mormon church gave up polygamy when that practice became a political hot potato, so to say that Mormons don't waiver in their tenets is total BS. They'll also find a way to justify playing ball on Sunday's if that's what it takes to get their program into a P5 conference. Don't kid yourself, the Mormons are just as greedy as every other religion, and none of them let anything come between themselves and money.
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brtransplant
The Mormon church gave up polygamy when that practice became a political hot potato, so to say that Mormons don't waiver in their tenets is total BS. They'll also find a way to justify playing ball on Sunday's if that's what it takes to get their program into a P5 conference. Don't kid yourself, the Mormons are just as greedy as every other religion, and none of them let anything come between themselves and money.
When it became a political hot potato? They officially renounced it in 1890.
I'm not a Mormon. They are wrong in their theology. I respect their consitent belief system. If they were all about money they'd be playing on Sundays.
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StrayDawg
There are a lot of names on that list that we would like to be associated with. We shouldn't make ourselves look bad, but we should make the pitch. In fact, that article proves my point. Those teams are getting press tying their names to the Big 12. Louisiana Tech isn't.
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maverick
And in the end, they will get more press--not for their temerity, but for their foolishness.
Don't get me wrong, I dearly wish Tech was on that list. But I do not want Tech ridiculed in articles on conference realignment or expansion like Arkansas State. That is not the kind of publicity we need. When Tech gets mentioned in such reports, I want to see positive statements like those for Boise State and others. And I often hope our athletics department and university administration are diligently working behind the scenes building rapport with conferences like the Big-12 and their members so we are viewed favorably.
Arkansas State getting on the list after it was made public reminds me of Arnold Horshack on "Welcome Back Kotter."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cDAqrywsHE
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PawDawg
When it became a political hot potato? They officially renounced it in 1890.
I'm not a Mormon. They are wrong in their theology. I respect their consitent belief system. If they were all about money they'd be playing on Sundays.
They renounced it for Utah to become eligible for statehood
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skilldawg
They renounced it for Utah to become eligible for statehood
...and only a very small percentage participated.
My point stands. They are a very dedicated and disciplined group. They will not give on the Sunday play issue.
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In regards to BYU...
They are very happy with their non football teams competing in the WCC (which is usually a 3 bid basketball league).
They will never participate in a Sunday sporting event. Even the NCAA tourney puts them in a bracket so it will not conflict with that. They will forfeit if it comes down to it and have in the past. Same gender weddings will happen before they play on Sundays.
I can see a win/win here for the Big XII by just bringing them in for football. In the near future it will no longer be about your (imaginary) geographical footprint, it is going to be about your digital footprint. Who out of that bunch of 17 schools has a bigger potential footprint.
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Wade_Antley
In regards to BYU...
They are very happy with their non football teams competing in the WCC (which is usually a 3 bid basketball league).
They will never participate in a Sunday sporting event. Even the NCAA tourney puts them in a bracket so it will not conflict with that. They will forfeit if it comes down to it and have in the past. Same gender weddings will happen before they play on Sundays.
I can see a win/win here for the Big XII by just bringing them in for football. In the near future it will no longer be about your (imaginary) geographical footprint, it is going to be about your digital footprint. Who out of that bunch of 17 schools has a bigger potential footprint.
The University of Utah already has the state of Utah and Salt Lake City area for the PAC 12. I don't see the Big 12 being able to compete with the PAC 12 in Utah. I see no advantage for the Big 12 to take BYU unless they think they can turn Texans into mormons and I definitely wouldn't count on that.
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DONW
The University of Utah already has the state of Utah and Salt Lake City area for the PAC 12. I don't see the Big 12 being able to compete with the PAC 12 in Utah. I see no advantage for the Big 12 to take BYU unless they think they can turn Texans into mormons and I definitely wouldn't count on that.
BYU is a bigger deal in Utah than U of U is. This is like saying the SEC can't compete in Florida because of Florida State.
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parialex
BYU is a bigger deal in Utah than U of U is. This is like saying the SEC can't compete in Florida because of Florida State.
Population of Utah---2.3 million
Population of Florida---19.9 million
Not a good comparison.
That may have been true 30 years ago but Utah has has had some good teams in recent years. The PAC 12 definitely wins out over the Big 12 because the PAC 12 is much closer to Utah than the Big 12. Both Utah and BYU have to recruit most of their players from out of state and Utah has the advantage of recruiting California because they're in the PAC 12.
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DONW
Population of Utah---2.3 million
Population of Florida---19.9 million
That may have been true 30 years ago but Utah has been the best team in the last 10 years and the PAC 12 definitely wins out over the Big 12 because the PAC 12 is much closer to Utah than the Big 12. Both Utah and BYU have to recruit most of their players from out of state and Utah has the advantage of recruiting California because they're in the PAC 12.
This completely misunderstands the dynamics of the Utah/BYU rivalry. Except for UU alums, Mormons root for BYU whether they attended that school or not*. It's the school of Mormons, in and outside of the state And, of course, BYU has fans outside the state. Fans who didn't go to BYU. Fans who've never spent more than a vacation in Utah. That's why they were able to get their own TV contract in a way that few schools could, earning more per home game than most G5 earn in a season. They had football attendance of 60k when they were playing in the Mountain West Conference, and outdraw Utah in basketball despite Provo and despite playing in the WCC instead of the Pac-12.
* - The flipside of the coin is that non-Mormons like myself will vaguely root for Utah in that rivalry, but not with nearly the same degree of enthusiasm.
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brtransplant
The Mormon church gave up polygamy when that practice became a political hot potato, so to say that Mormons don't waiver in their tenets is total BS. They'll also find a way to justify playing ball on Sunday's if that's what it takes to get their program into a P5 conference. Don't kid yourself, the Mormons are just as greedy as every other religion, and none of them let anything come between themselves and money.
Please list all of the religions and tell us how each of them fit your statement.
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parialex
This completely misunderstands the dynamics of the Utah/BYU rivalry. Except for UU alums, Mormons root for BYU whether they attended that school or not*. It's the school of Mormons, in and outside of the state And, of course, BYU has fans outside the state. Fans who didn't go to BYU. Fans who've never spent more than a vacation in Utah. That's why they were able to get their own TV contract in a way that few schools could, earning more per home game than most G5 earn in a season. They had football attendance of 60k when they were playing in the Mountain West Conference, and outdraw Utah in basketball despite Provo and despite playing in the WCC instead of the Pac-12.
* - The flipside of the coin is that non-Mormons like myself will vaguely root for Utah in that rivalry, but not with nearly the same degree of enthusiasm.
Why did the PAC 12 take Utah over BYU. Utah jumped ahead of BYU when they joined the PAC 12. That's a fact. I have a friend that's a mormon and I've never heard him say one word about BYU. Didn't BYU just lose their coach to a low tier ACC school?
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The Pac-12 chose Utah because (a) The Mormon thing, (b) The Sunday thing, and (c) academics (it's a competitive school to get into, but looked at askance in academic circles.
I didn't know that you knew a Mormon, though. That changes everything.
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DONW
The University of Utah already has the state of Utah and Salt Lake City area for the PAC 12. I don't see the Big 12 being able to compete with the PAC 12 in Utah. I see no advantage for the Big 12 to take BYU unless they think they can turn Texans into mormons and I definitely wouldn't count on that.
I was kinda rambling and didn't really make a point but here is the point that I wanted to make....
Soon, there will be a service like Netflix that only shows sports. Maybe it's called Sportflix, I don't know (but if it is I said it here first and will sue for royalties), but that's the direction we're headed. No more paying for cable, and all of that stuff. You just get what you want. Digital footprints will play a part in expansion in the not so far off future. So my point was, adding BYU (football only) will have a greater potential in the long run then a urban school like Memphis which may add tv sets now but when cable starts drying up and more content moves to paid streaming services, BYU will get more clicks.
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parialex
The Pac-12 chose Utah because (a) The Mormon thing, (b) The Sunday thing, and (c) academics (it's a competitive school to get into, but looked at askance in academic circles.
I didn't know that you knew a Mormon, though. That changes everything.
The PAC 12 may have looked at head to head competition against Utah also. Utah leads 55-31. If they used the religion excuse as the reason they couldn't get in the PAC 12, why are they now trying to get in the Big 12, a conference that is not as good of a fit as the PAC 12. If you look at their schedule since they left the MWC in 2011, their home schedule is mostly against MWC schools and Utah and Utah State every other year. I look for them to join the MWC again in the next 3-4 years. I don't believe they'll get in the Big 12. I did have two mormon missionaries drop by my house once. The first question I asked them was if they believed Brigham Young was innocent in the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Their reply to me was, what is the Mountain Meadows Massacre. They left right after I told them what it was. If Utah had been a state then, it would have been the second largest terrorist attack in the history of our country.
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Wade_Antley
I was kinda rambling and didn't really make a point but here is the point that I wanted to make....
Soon, there will be a service like Netflix that only shows sports. Maybe it's called Sportflix, I don't know (but if it is I said it here first and will sue for royalties), but that's the direction we're headed. No more paying for cable, and all of that stuff. You just get what you want. Digital footprints will play a part in expansion in the not so far off future. So my point was, adding BYU (football only) will have a greater potential in the long run then a urban school like Memphis which may add tv sets now but when cable starts drying up and more content moves to paid streaming services, BYU will get more clicks.
There may not be that many mormons by the time that happens. Just go on Youtube and search ex-mormons. People are learning more and more about the lies this religion is based on. There's one guy that was a mormon for 40 years that has his own internet call in show educating people about mormonism and he lives in Utah.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j7Wu72wotE He has many followers that are ex-mormon. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young must have been some kind of salesmen. It's disgusting to me that a university is named after a guy that raped 55 women and was responsible for having 120 settlers killed that were crossing Utah on their way to California.
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Look, we get it, you hate mormons. They didn't get into the PAC12 because the California schools said no, so they took Utah which is the same thing only not owned by a church.
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DONW
The PAC 12 may have looked at head to head competition against Utah also. Utah leads 55-31. If they used the religion excuse as the reason they couldn't get in the PAC 12, why are they now trying to get in the Big 12, a conference that is not as good of a fit as the PAC 12. If you look at their schedule since they left the MWC in 2011, their home schedule is mostly against MWC schools and Utah and Utah State every other year. I look for them to join the MWC again in the next 3-4 years. I don't believe they'll get in the Big 12. I did have two mormon missionaries drop by my house once. The first question I asked them was if they believed Brigham Young was innocent in the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Their reply to me was, what is the Mountain Meadows Massacre. They left right after I told them what it was. If Utah had been a state then, it would have been the second largest terrorist attack in the history of our country.
I get that you have a chip on your shoulder about Mormons. Guess what? So do I. That's because I lived in and around Mormonland for a significant chunk of my adult life. I even recognize Mormon surnames. I didn't like. I rooted for the Utes all the way. But that's neither here nor there. BYU was never considered a candidate for the Pac-12 for the aforementioned reasons. It was never about performance or fan interest. In their final years together in the MWC, UU and BYU pulled similar TV numbers despite Utah being much better for much longer.
BYU has all of the makings of a successful program and Utah's success doesn't change that. Despite their crappy conference situation - which cost them that coach - they still pulled nearly 60k fans a game for football and 16k a game for basketball. When they came to Houston, 15k of their fans showed up. They've got money. There is a reason they keep coming up despite making no geographic sense whatsoever and coming with a lot of baggage.
I don't know if they get into the Big 12 or not. I would bet not, actually, on account of geography and especially the Honor Code problem. I'm rather hoping that they don't for multiple reasons. But if they don't, it won't be because the Utes own Utah. The state's own legislature prefers BYU.
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DONW
There may not be that many mormons by the time that happens. Just go on Youtube and search ex-mormons. People are learning more and more about the lies this religion is based on. There's one guy that was a mormon for 40 years that has his own internet call in show educating people about the religion and he lives in Utah. He has many followers that are ex-mormon. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young must have been some kind of salesmen. It's disgusting to me that a university is named after a guy that raped 55 women and was responsible for having 120 settlers killed that were crossing Utah on their way to California.
It's funny who we honor from our past. I mean how many thousands of native Americans did Andrew Jackson have killed? Not enough to keep him off the $20 bill...
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Wade_Antley
It's funny who we honor from our past. I mean how many thousands of native Americans did Andrew Jackson have killed? Not enough to keep him off the $20 bill...
Talk about a horrible analogy...Did you get this one from PBS or some PC blog?
Andrew Jackson was an American hero. Thousands? Really?
I suppose you hate most of the founding fathers as well?