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If it were just the NCAA looking at this, I would say it would go away. But with the DOJ involved it's not going to end well for Auburn, Okie St, USC, or Arizona. The fact that USC got hit in football a few years back, and now this is very telling of what's going on in the money schools.
This is going to get real messy -
Probably going to open a window to a VERY seedy world
The NCAA can't make any of these coaches turn on other coaches in the NCAA, but the DOJ can. To avoid serious jail time can you imagine what these guys are going to expose regarding other programs!
Yep -Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian
Law & Order - Cager Style
are we going to be ok when all the dust settles? that is all I care about
If we're involved in a huge scandal that'd be even more embarrassing because all we have to show for it is another slate of "almosts."Quote:
Originally Posted by faninmonroe
I don't think The Three Stripe Life was bank rolling agents for our un drafted players....Quote:
Originally Posted by faninmonroe
This was about recruiting 4 and 5* athletes. I think we should be OKQuote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dawg
This scandal concerns mostly 4 or 5 star players. Lots of one-and-done players. The four schools with coaches arrested are all Power 5 schools. I think this is only a start and more charges involving other schools could follow. Slick Rick could finally the boot at Louisville, as the feds are investigating them. Who knows maybe some other basketball blue bloods could be in hot water before this is all over. Who knows? Kentucky, Duke, UNC and the like always have top 10 classes, is somebody steering players their way? This could get really interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by faninmonroe
As far as Tech? No way, we haven't had a real stud high school recruit. I think this is a Power 5 thing. Although Western Kentucky has the 9th rated class for 2017, according 247Sports........
Syracuse
UNC
OU
Okie State
Baylor
Gonzaga
Kentucky
Georgetown
Butler
I think it could dip down to some of the non-power schools in basketball - Nike has been dirty since the days of Sonny Vaccaro and his ilk
This isn't the NCAA where the coaches get a slap on the wrist and the school and kids are punished - this is the DOJ and prison time will be looming
Got to be some "handlers" involved. I wonder if the guy who left us for an $EC school was enticed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
To some extent it will touch everyone -
You know a cat like Nikita Wilson was in neck deep
Johnny Jones at LSU was Dale's bag man for shoe money - and you know Johnny had one when he was there
Stansberry at WKU probably was the first one to call the hot line to try to make a deal
This is crazy.
Friend of mine that follows this is saying that Petino will be released by end of next week.
ACC and NCAA already looking into death penalty for UL - and expulsion from ACC.
FBI may level the playing field for us!!
I'm listening to 97.7 and they're talking about it it. The whole thing is incredible! Read part of the transcript from a meeting with a player , an agent and a coach and how the payoff was made. Sounds like organized crime stuff. But, I guess it sounds like it because it is.
One of the asst U S Attorneys recommended if you ever did it, call the DOJ before they call you. Make a deal. Bet the phone lines are on fire.
Sell your Nike & Adidas stock now.
And don't been surprised if during the pleading for deals that it rolls over to football and names are named....
Then
Bama
LSU
Oregon
USC
Texas
etal are laid bare
Apparently Pitino just got fired. The Louisville AD too.
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Gary Parrish
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Now official: Louisville has fired Rick Pitino as its basketball coach.
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Louisville AD Tom Jurich has been fired. 1st reported by @CardChronicle
Could this be the end of the One & Done dynasties?
I think this will just distribute the wealth (Players) more evenly among the $ schools. Probably won't help us much.
No, it will effect everyone -Quote:
Originally Posted by sportdawg
I do think this will force the NBA to change the one and done and probably adopt the baseball model
Mark Ennis @MarkEnnis 11m11 minutes agoMore
The next NCAA Tournament might just be the 64 eligible teams.
Exactly what I was thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
I'm glad to see this happening. It's about time.
The NCAA is just as corrupt as the schools and coaches. There was just too much money involved for the NCAA to do anything other than look the other way.
Louisville was pretty obvious when the news broke. I wonder how long it will take for this to unspool enough that we get an idea of how big the impact will be. A few days...a couple week's, a month or more.
Well NIKE has been issued their papers...
Under Armour will be next
Everyone and I mean EVERYONE cheats -
Just talking the difference between a Bernice girl and one of Heidi Fliess's girls
Subpoena power is a very big thing when trying to prove wrong doing
NCAA doesn't have that
Although contracts may be different, no buy outs should be required if fired for illegal activity. This could save the schools big bucks.
What's the term - "just cause"....Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston Techsan
"Termination For cause"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-t...-cause-2061656
An example of the "for cause" language is on Pages 9 and 10 of Bill O'Brien's old contract at Penn State: http://www.psu.edu/ur/2012/openness/OBrien_contract.pdfQuote:
Reasons an employee could be terminated for cause include, but are not limited to, stealing, lying, failing a drug or alcohol test, falsifying records, embezzlement, insubordination, fraud, felonious conduct, disclosing private, confidential information or trade secrets, deliberately violating company policy or rules, and other serious misconduct related to your employment.
Here is Rick Pitino's contract with the University of Louisville: http://media.bizj.us/view/img/855604...t-contract.pdf
Based on Sections 6.1.2 and 6.1.3 (Termination for Just Cause), the escort sex scandal alone probably would have been enough to fire Pitino without the university having to pay out the contract.
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Originally Posted by Tech77
This is long overdue. And did you notice the FBI is controlling this investigation, not the NCAA?Quote:
Under Armour has made major investments in college basketball in recent years. In 2016, the company made a $280 million agreement to replace Adidas as the UCLA men's basketball team's shoe and apparel sponsor for the next 15 years. Under Armour has also cut deals in recent deals with teams including Notre Dame, Auburn, and Wisconsin.
College basketball recruiting has been shady and crooked for a very long time. The year round basketball camps, the AAU teams, the "summer leagues", etc...have all turned college basketball recruiting into an out-of-control abyss. And as long as you've got companies like Adidas throwing $280M at college programs, the problem is not going away. Unless of course, people start going to prison for fraud and bribery.
IMO, this is merely the tip of the iceberg. Rick Petino lost his job today at Louisville over this. (Technically Petino was put on leave, but his contract specifically states that the university can't fire him until he has had an official 10-day warning period before a firing. He's now in that 10-day period.) Look for more coaches --as well as some of these corporate employees at Adidas (and others) to go to jail.
Fraud, bribery and other corruption charges is what happens when "non-financial" people (e.g., basketball coaches) get into the business of conducting financial transactions to influence player decisions. These people often violate the trust of young people and exert pressure where it shouldn't be allowed. I wouldn't be surprised to see some RICO charges (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) filed at some point down the line. There's a lot of people --a whole network of people-- involved in this, across many state lines. This is just one reason why the FBI is involved, and not the NCAA.
It was the Fox guarding the hen house.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
I want to hear what Mike Theus thinks of this situation. Are you here?
90% of the NCAA is school and conference administrators. The full-time NCAA staff is overwhelmed and gets undue influence from the power schools and conferences on when and how to lay the lumber.Quote:
Originally Posted by glm47
If any non-power conference school had committed academic fraud to even half the level that North Carolina did, that's school's entire athletic program would either be shut down or crippled to the point where it couldn't compete.
Pitino is probably going to jail now. Reports are saying that he kept 98% of the Adidas money. About 3 million, and the department received $35K. This is going to get UGLY!
I seriously doubt Rick Pitino ends up in jail. Paying fines, making amends? Yes. But, jail? Nah.Quote:
Originally Posted by tigtoo30
I think that was contractually arranged. Not a violation of law or NCAA rules (from the reporting I've seen).Quote:
Originally Posted by tigtoo30
Didn't see that, but WOW, what a black mark on him. Another report says he has made $145 million off the contract over the past 9 years. That's just insane. I still say he is crooked as Hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by touchdown123
Depends on the wording of the contract and the accounting for it on both ends - that's where the DOJ comes in...
And YES he could face significant jail time (albeit a federal country club) - just cause it's a business deal doesn't mean it's within the letter of the law
And I figure ol' Slick Rick is just the kind to point fingers at the drop of a hat for a reduced sentence
I would love to be a fly on Cal's wall right now
Keep in mind that as recently as 20 years ago the shoe/clothing deals were done directly with the coaches. The school wasn't involved at all. Back in the day, Leon had his own deal with Adidas that paid him $100,000 per year and outfitted the team. That's how the system worked. The school didn't see any of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tigtoo30
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. At a minimum I think Rick is out of touch with reality in that he is insisting he is being dismissed without cause and is owed tens of million of dollars. It's the kind of thing that could get under the skin of a young assistant U.S. Attorney who is looking to make a name for himself. If I were Rick I would very quietly fade into retirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
Well, this story got knocked off the front page quickly by the Vegas shooting fiasco. The world has rightfully been so consumed with the Las Vegas shooting story that this basketball scandal is already been forgotten in many quarters.
Until the next round of indictmentsQuote:
Originally Posted by HogDawg
The NCAA announced today that North Carolina will receive no penalties in the academic fraud case. This is because the bogus courses were available to the entire student body not just the student-athletes. Must be nice to be a Carolina Blue Blood today. What a nice advantage this provided for years.
That's truly remarkable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog Tom
Both Pete Thamel of Yahoo Sports and ESPN had stories last week about this scandal.
While the release of the information — which reportedly could incriminate upwards of 50 college basketball programs — is expected, it’s currently unknown when, or how it will be released. But if it drops soon, the upcoming NCAA Tournament could be significantly affected. “This goes a lot deeper in college basketball than four corrupt assistant coaches,” a source who has been briefed on the details of the case told Thamel. “When this all comes out, Hall of Fame coaches should be scared, lottery picks won’t be eligible to play and almost half of the 16 teams the NCAA showed on its initial NCAA tournament show this weekend should worry about their appearance being vacated.”
https://nesn.com/2018/02/fbi-investi...aa-basketball/
http://www.businessinsider.com/colle...-report-2018-2
so we can still make the tournament!
IF we aren't on the list of course.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Deacon Dawg
If we've been cheating we should be thrown in jail just for not having gotten anything out of it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cal&Ken
"So you say there's a chance?"
Ut oh. Would anyone be shocked that a player for LSU took money.
http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/20...ml#incart_2box
The link to the yahoo story has a ton of interesting names.
A book written by Rick Pitino released today contains the following statement by Pitino, "my coaching career is possibly finished." Gee Rick, you think so?