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no, it does prove beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt, since reason implies a rational proof. but i think we're not thinking of terms in the same way. i'm suggesting that calls for mysticism are...

Or a gremlin? Why does "god" get to be everything unknown?

I didn't find anything to be adversarial. Many people consider me a matter-of-fact personality, so if I'm coming off as adversarial, I apologize.



Science has not proven beyond a shadow of...

I was only commenting on your earlier posts suggesting that science favors the existence of god. Examples include your statement to the effect of "several well-respected scientists..." and also your...

well, science is useful in both cases. neither "opinion" is "preformed", though. i've flip-flipped on the issue of religion, and I was implicitly accepting of AGW arguments until a few months ago,...

many prominent, respected scientists believe in global warming as well. :shocked2:

I'm pretty sure that this "lack of meaning" was all that people were left with when we were discussing the primacy of existence in the metaphysics thread. I'm pretty sure that JL, DHuss, etc., that...

I don't know, we've got are share of communists, socialists, democrats, and republicans to contend with. :icon_wink:

the crucifiction would not have been important, but I think it is an understatement to say that a resurrection and Jesus transcending to the heavens would have been unusual, memorable, and probably...

only 2 of those are mutually exclusive. :icon_wink:

The llamas did a great job finishing Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

I might pass out looking at it. I feel like I'd do that watching any birthing process, though, so that's not unique. :icon_wink:

I don't know why anyone would want to do the procedure. It would...

I'm intrigued by the elasticity of the uterus. Unbelievable that it reforms as quickly as it does - the figure makes it look like deformation is less than 10%. I guess that's combined...

I would say that the old technique (head-first, vacuum cleaner) is more questionable than the new technique, but it is possible that a fetus has established humanity first in both cases. The things...

Well, then I'm still left with the question of when exactly a fetus becomes a person. As a matter of practice, the easiest line is birth, although humanity is probably not established at least until...

I was using your language to try to bridge a gap.

I'm might actually be on your side with regards to a PBA, assuming I know what exactly is meant by the term. How far out is the fetus before the fatal procedure takes place? Head-first or...

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well, as I said earlier, it is very much debatable when the defining characteristics of a person are present. I'd actually contend it is not even at birth, but probably pretty shortly afterward. ...

Except that my point is: if we can't say with any more confidence that a fetus has the capability to sense god than we can say a tree can sense god, but we can say with certainty that a human has the...

Sure - its also possible that a tree senses god.

Debating 101 - set the opponent up to take them down. :)

In a way, it's like an internal link turn, yes?

Well, biological evidence confirms that a fetus doesn't even have the required sensing circuitry until at least 7 months gestation.

so, if a fetus is unable to biologically and environmentally "sense" god, does that make it not a person? :icon_wink:

Well, I'm not sure that I agree completely. If this is directed at me, I have used scientific evidence to answer supposed philosophical proofs of the existence of god. Specifically, they are...