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    Are protest marches about the road they take place on?

    I'd argue that the flag isn't about the flag, it's about what it symbolizes.

    You quoted me saying that Rush and Hannity MADE it about the...
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    If you think the flag is the pertinent piece of information in that quote, then I can't help you.
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    Originates? The uproar in its current tenor? I think they bear a LOT of responsibility.

    That said, nothing is simple. I think, by design, not standing for the anthem made people uncomfortable...
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    50/50

    Those two are the masters at making the issue about something they can easily win an argument on. They are strawman experts with incredibly loud microphones and they set the agenda for the...
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    Nope...Hannity and Rush made it about the flag...and the sheeple followed!

    ;)
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    Taking a knee was Nate Boyer's (a veteran) suggestion.
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    Had he chosen the same platform to advocate for better benefits for veterans, he would've been applauded. Talking heads have made this about the flag because it's an easier issue to tackle than what...
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    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bb/a4/48/bba448005946246f36e8cbc0993dcb67.jpg
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    Is that a no?
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    Is submission a sign of disrespect?
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    We don't disagree on that, but we have to take responsibility for our government and push them to change...thus, the protests. Like I said, what the change looks like and the courses of action will...
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    I commend you for what you're doing and I have no doubt that it is effective. In offering a solution, it's clear that you see a problem. I think THAT is the point. We will always have disagreements...
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    If we've learned one thing, it's that communicating in a way that is universally understood is all but impossible.

    I haven't read the Pavlovitz article, but Timothy Keller writes some very...
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F__0Hy2mMY
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    If you think any answer is simple, then it's clear evidence that you haven't interacted with their argument. If you think, in interacting with me, that you're interacting with their argument, then...
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    Have you interacted with the argument yet? Because not interacting with something that offends you seems like the definition of snowflake.
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    Our society constantly discusses problems that don't have clear "here's how we fix it" paths: healthcare, cancer, genetic disorders, and the fact that Pepsi gave us a better deal than Coke at the...
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    Who called you ignorant? I certainly didn't. You're only ignorant (of the argument) if you've refused to interact with the argument. Those of lesser educational pedigree can blame the presentation of...
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    That won't fly for us. If we've got a Tech education, any ignorance we possess is our choice.
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    Just remember that refusal to listen to an argument is not the same as disagreeing with an argument. Disagreement is the American way. Refusing to interact is the way of the ostrich.
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    Well, it seems the criminal justice system is the one this particular protest is aimed at. Others often cited are the education system the lending industry.

    Now, you may not agree with the...
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    I think these are good questions with complicated answers (I won't attempt them all on my phone), but I think prejudice is a more helpful term than racist in these discussions. Sure, there are...
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    I suppose my hope is that, in evaluating arguments, we will change reality.
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    Again, that's you adding to what he said. Was Sterling unarmed? That's all Reid claimed.
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    Because pride and love are not the same thing. You can love something that's flawed. Most importantly though, because he didn't say he hated the nation. You're equivocating...you're not alone, but...
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