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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    You said we need to cut "farm assistance". This is not farm assistance. It is land owner assistance.

    Do some real research before you take up arms with the socialists think tanks.
    I think you need to do some research instead of playing semantics. Thus is part of the 960 billion dollar figure that Dawg80 mentioned for farm assistance, that nearly 800 billion goes to SNAPS.

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    I think you need to do some research instead of playing semantics. Thus is part of the 960 billion dollar figure that Dawg80 mentioned for farm assistance, that nearly 800 billion goes to SNAPS.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farm_programs

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by brtransplant View Post
    I admit that I'm no expert on farm subsidies. My comment was based solely on my personal experience with a friend of mine whose multi, multi millionaire family receives hundreds of thousands of dollars every year for NOT growing sugar cane on some of the thousands of acres that they own. These people could use this land to grow some other crop, or make it into pasture, or grow trees on it for all I care, but I resent our government subsidizing them to let it sit idle. In my opinion, any kind of subsidy for farmers is stupid, even if it is only 10% of the total spent annually on this BS program.
    Yep! there are a couple of Tech grads, both former members of the BOP, and friends of mine....well, in fact, I had hired him as a part-time financial analyst, when all I had was that part-time slot. He got 20 hours per week, and while it still was a nice salary, all things considered, it was not a fulltime gig and his wife is a stay-home mom for their 3 kids. He had a finance degree from Tech and he was smart, and dedicated, and...I was concerned I was gonna lose him to a fulltime job somewhere else. So, one day, I just asked him...how are y'all making it? He kind of sheepishly said he inherited about 1,000 acres along the Mississippi River, up near Lake Providence, and he gets a "very, very, very nice check from the USDA not to do anything with it." In other words, he didn't even need the part-time pay, he just did it because he liked finance and liked what he was doing for us, and it gave him something to do.

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    I think you need to do some research instead of playing semantics. Thus is part of the 960 billion dollar figure that Dawg80 mentioned for farm assistance, that nearly 800 billion goes to SNAPS.
    Not farm assistance.

    Not semantics.

    The "Farm Bill" - Focus on where the big money is spent not the small percentage that does not involve farmers and food production. (remember your horrible point about diabetes?)

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Not farm assistance.

    Not semantics.

    The "Farm Bill" - Focus on where the big money is spent not the small percentage that does not involve farmers and food production. (remember your horrible point about diabetes?)
    Like I said, 200 bill from the Farm Bill (CRP and 2 insurance programs for farmers) plus roll back of Trump tax cuts almost entirely solves the budget deficit.

    Problem solved.

    What is your solution?

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Like I said, 200 bill from the Farm Bill (CRP and 2 insurance programs for farmers) plus roll back of Trump tax cuts almost entirely solves the budget deficit.

    Problem solved.

    What is your solution?
    Start by taking from the free food program that goes unchecked.

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Start by taking from the free food program that goes unchecked.
    How much? The Republicans have had complete control for the past 2 years. Why didn’t they do it?

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    How much? The Republicans have had complete control for the past 2 years. Why didn’t they do it?
    Complete...

    Don't be obtuse.


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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    How much? The Republicans have had complete control for the past 2 years. Why didn’t they do it?
    Because the GOP leadership is mired in the muck of The Swamp too. Not as deep as the dems, and in different parts of The Swamp (emphasis on different sectors), but nonetheless, in it. Trump is the first, and perhaps ONLY, office holder who has ALL Swampers in his sights. This is what some of us are saying on that other thread.

    And, as I think on it, observe what is going on, I lean toward Trump being not tough enough. He needs to take a stand against any budget that does not leave a surplus. There is no line-item veto measure, so just veto the whole spending bill.

    BTW, just an aside, another foray into history! The Confederate States of America Constitution was closely modeled after the US Constitution, with some notable differences. One being a line-item veto. The President of the CSA could approve a budget, but strike out certain lines. The Confederate Congress could then vote to overturn the President's line-item vetoes, with a super majority vote in both houses. I don't recall what that percentage was.

    I see merit in the line-item veto measure.

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    Problem with the line-item veto is that is violated the principle of separation of powers. Making the branches of government co-equal was a smart move for mitigating the risk of authoritarianism.

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    You said we need to cut "farm assistance". This is not farm assistance. It is land owner assistance.

    Do some real research before you take up arms with the socialists think tanks.
    Amen! This guy amazes me still.
    I guess this is what socialist like Guisslapp want for America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Problem with the line-item veto is that is violated the principle of separation of powers. Making the branches of government co-equal was a smart move for mitigating the risk of authoritarianism.
    Well, under the CSA system, as I posted, Congress could overturn the President's line item veto with a vote of some percentage (guess I'll have to look it up). Let's say the Prez vetoed three budget line items. Each of those three would be voted on separately. Maybe two of the three receive the necessary votes, those two are restored to the budget. In that way there is a separation of power. Each branch has recourse to affect the budget.

    The important aspect of the presidential line item veto is it can eliminate pork barrel projects, those measures where one group of legislators agree to vote on someone's pet project just to garner votes for one of theirs. The President can line item veto BOTH such pet projects. And probably, neither would garner enough support to overturn the veto.

    I like it.

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    I understand the pork barrel spending angle. That is what I liked about it.

    But, it also makes it more difficult to achieve compromise - to make deals happen.

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    I understand the pork barrel spending angle. That is what I liked about it.

    But, it also makes it more difficult to achieve compromise - to make deals happen.
    Well, consider this on the compromise issue. BOTH parties in Congress, especially the party without the WH, had better compromise before they send a budget to the Prez. They need to work out their differences and agree they like the budget and every line item in it. By doing that they can pretty much assure they can overturn any and all line item vetoes. Congress has the final word on that.

    1. Congress sends a spending bill to the WH
    2. Prez goes thru it, strikes out some budget items, then signs the bill.
    3. Congress gets the revised budget.
    4. Congress votes to overturn the line items vetoed and gets enough votes.
    5. The budget for that FY is set. (Congress has the final say)

    So! by both parties in both houses negotiating, compromising, and reaching a consensus before they submit a budget to the WH, they can be fairly certain they'll win in the end. To me it creates an even better environment for compromise.

    Now, you will say, yeah but the party with the WH holds an advantage. Yes, true. Elections have consequences. But, we all know that The Swamp is really one big happy club where the initial behind the name (D) or (R) is largely irrelevant. The party "out of power" will have to compromise a little more, true. But I guarantee they all know that every 4 years that pendulum can swing the other way, so they will all play nice in the sand box.

    Know what? Let's try it! It would be quite revealing to the general public.

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Well, consider this on the compromise issue. BOTH parties in Congress, especially the party without the WH, had better compromise before they send a budget to the Prez. They need to work out their differences and agree they like the budget and every line item in it. By doing that they can pretty much assure they can overturn any and all line item vetoes. Congress has the final word on that.

    1. Congress sends a spending bill to the WH
    2. Prez goes thru it, strikes out some budget items, then signs the bill.
    3. Congress gets the revised budget.
    4. Congress votes to overturn the line items vetoed and gets enough votes.
    5. The budget for that FY is set. (Congress has the final say)

    So! by both parties in both houses negotiating, compromising, and reaching a consensus before they submit a budget to the WH, they can be fairly certain they'll win in the end. To me it creates an even better environment for compromise.

    Now, you will say, yeah but the party with the WH holds an advantage. Yes, true. Elections have consequences. But, we all know that The Swamp is really one big happy club where the initial behind the name (D) or (R) is largely irrelevant. The party "out of power" will have to compromise a little more, true. But I guarantee they all know that every 4 years that pendulum can swing the other way, so they will all play nice in the sand box.

    Know what? Let's try it! It would be quite revealing to the general public.
    So which Republican items do you think Democrats would ever agree to?

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