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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Naziism was not a step from democracy to Marxism. Nazis positioned their economic policy as a step away and alternative to Marxism. In the orbit of socialism as it were at that time in Germany - Nazism was the right wing and Marxism was he left wing.
    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Wrong. Socialism to Nazism and Marxism is the usual pathway. And both Naziism and Marxism are leftist/liberal/Godless/anti-semitic ideologies similar to the current socialist thinking of today (even though they don't realize it nor believe it). And Communism is a Godless ideology as well.

    Hitler and the socialist dream
    George Watson


    He declared that 'national socialism was based on Marx' Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger


    In April 1945, when Adolf Hitler died by his own hand in the rubble of Berlin, nobody was much interested in what he had once believed. That was to be expected. War is no time for reflection, and what Hitler had done was so shattering, and so widely known through images of naked bodies piled high in mass graves, that little or no attention could readily be paid to National Socialism as an idea. It was hard to think of it as an idea at all. Hitler, who had once looked a crank or a clown, was exposed as the leader of a gang of thugs, and the world was content to know no more than that.
    Half a century on, there is much to be said. Even thuggery can have its reasons, and the materials that have newly appeared, though they may not transform judgement, undoubtedly enrich and deepen it. Confidants of Hitler. such as the late Albert Speer, have published their reminiscences; his wartime table-talk is a book; early revelations like Hermann Rauschning's Hitler Speaks of 1939 have been validated by painstaking research, and the notes of dead Nazis like Otto Wagener have been edited, along with a full text of Goebbels's diary.

    It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical. The evidence before 1945 was more private than public, which is perhaps significant in itself. In public Hitler was always anti-Marxist, and in an age in which the Soviet Union was the only socialist state on earth, and with anti-Bolshevism a large part of his popular appeal, he may have been understandably reluctant to speak openly of his sources. His megalomania, in any case, would have prevented him from calling himself anyone's disciple. That led to an odd and paradoxical alliance between modern historians and the mind of a dead dictator. Many recent analysts have fastidiously refused to study the mind of Hitler; and they accept, as unquestioningly as many Nazis did in the 1930s, the slogan "Crusade against Marxism" as a summary of his views. An age in which fascism has become a term of abuse is unlikely to analyse it profoundly.
    His private conversations, however, though they do not overturn his reputation as an anti-Communist, qualify it heavily. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit". He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that "they had never even read Marx", implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been "a private Russian affair", whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...m-1186455.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Your article agrees with me and contradicts what you said. His opponents were Marxist communists and he proposed that was causing unemployment and hurting the economy, so he advocated a more tactical form of socialism. Of course all of that was cloaked in German nationalism and racist ideology.
    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Yes originally but keep reading. But you can see that Hitler was a pure Godless socialist to begin with which led to worldwide disaster.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Well, it is natural to incorporate some of the dominant economic policy into your agenda when you are proposing a transition. In his case, it was a transition to a more liberal economy from a more tightly regulated one. In the case of American socialists, they don’t usually propose complete abandonment of capitalism, but a hybrid of capitalism and socialism.

    That is just the nature of economic transitions.
    The nature of socialism, and the usual economic transitions to socialism as you call it, leads to economic devastation, loss of many personal liberties and values, death and destruction. Maybe it's not as rapid as communism but the results end up the same; especially when the economic transition from socialism leads to communism as is often the case.

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    The nature of socialism, and the usual economic transitions to socialism as you call it, leads to economic devastation, loss of personal liberties, death and destruction.
    Can you read? Do you agree that socialism is more economically liberal than communism? Hitler was moving the economic needle to the right in the direction of socialism from communism.

    American socialists are moving the economy in a less economically liberal direction.

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Can you read? Do you agree that socialism is more economically liberal than communism? Hitler was moving the economic needle to the right in the direction of socialism from communism.

    American socialists are moving the economy in a less economically liberal direction.
    American socialist are moving the economy "to devastation, loss and persecution of personal liberties they don't agree with, lack of concern for human life in general, low moral values, death and destruction". They are or become the real haters and the violent left (which is actually "the right" when violent) as I see it.

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    American socialist are moving the economy "to devastation, loss and persecution of personal liberties they don't agree with, lack of concern for human life in general, low moral values, death and destruction". They are or become the real haters and the violent left (which is actually "the right" when violent) as I see it.
    Socialism leads to poverty everywhere it is instituted. It's an ideal that simply DOES NOT WORK and is usually promoted by chronic underachievers who are jealous of industrious, hard working people that go to work every day trying to get ahead in life.

    Any person has the right to refuse to grow up, and instead, sit on his ass smoking weed all day, but that doesn't mean the rest of us owe him a living.

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    As an aside...

    Have any of you been watching that show "Finding Hitler"? Whether you accept that Hitler committed suicide in his bunker in April, 1945 as history has been reported, or if you think Hitler may have escaped to Argentina or some other locale, it is beyond question the Nazis had plans to get Hitler out of Germany. Makes sense, of course they would have such plans to get Hitler, and other Nazi leaders, out if the war was lost.

    One route was from Berlin south to Bavaria and into Austria, and from there two possibilities, one into Switzerland, and the other through Greece to points beyond...the second route was north into German-held Norway, and then onto a sub for transportation to probably Argentina. The German army firmly held Norway and it was the tens of thousands of German troops there who were the last to surrender. The researchers on the show think the northern route made the most sense and if Hitler did escape, it was that way.

    The Nazis owned properties in Argentina and in Peru. They had walled-compounds with armed guards there. The Germans also operated harbor facilities, used by some of their ships and subs for resupply and refueling. One such harbor was in Argentina, one in Brazil, and one in Peru.

    Anyway, even if history as now portrayed is accurate and Hitler died in Berlin, April, 1945 it is interesting to follow the planned trail(s) of escape. Of course the Nazis would have had such plans.


    George Soros probably financed Hitler's planned escape....

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Just kidding about that last....Soros hadn't yet accumulated enough wealth in 1945, and he was 14 at that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brtransplant View Post
    Socialism leads to poverty everywhere it is instituted. It's an ideal that simply DOES NOT WORK and is usually promoted by chronic underachievers who are jealous of industrious, hard working people that go to work every day trying to get ahead in life.

    Any person has the right to refuse to grow up, and instead, sit on his ass smoking weed all day, but that doesn't mean the rest of us owe him a living.
    Exactly!

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    And now this??? Somebody lock these evil friends and funders of the socialist Democrats clowns up now please.
    This is collusion and corruption by a foreign individual bent on destroying America. Trump and the GOP need to call their, the Dems, hand on this family.


    Soros son emerging as major player in Dem politics...

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    Trump and the congress need to ban this raging socialist, democrat loving and democrat donating foreigner from trying to change and influence elections in America.

    SOROS MEDDLES IN SAN DIEGO ELECTION...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Trump and the congress need to ban this raging socialist, democrat loving and democrat donating foreigner from trying to change and influence elections in America.

    SOROS MEDDLES IN SAN DIEGO ELECTION...
    Would you really support that?

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    Would you really support that?
    Indeed I would as he's not an American citizen and is a radical foreign born billionaire, socialist promoting chaos in America and any democracy and capitalistic nation worldwide. He is pure evil! His own country bans him!

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    John Mccain would like to be him
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    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Indeed I would as he's not an American citizen and is a radical foreign born billionaire, socialist promoting chaos in America and any democracy and capitalistic nation worldwide. He is pure evil! His own country bans him!
    He is an American citizen. Why do you think he isnít?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    He is an American citizen. Why do you think he isnít?
    Oh please, he's a scum ball that hates America with a passion.

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    Re: George Soros on the Coming U.S. Class War

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    Oh please, he's a scum ball that hates America with a passion.
    But why do you say he isnít an American citizen? And you would deny him his constitutional rights just because you disagree with him?

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