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    The Titanic

    Everyone knows today is the 100th anniversary of the sinking. Would have been 2 mins after midnight our time. 2:02 am at the site, (two hours ahead of CDT). The fact that "everyone knows" is interesting. Why the fascination with this tidbit of history? I am a history buff, I love it. It's a hobby of mine. So, I am interested in such things. But, the masses are mostly disinterested in history....and in fact, too many can't remember, and don't care, what promises politicians make, and then fail to keep.

    Watched a documentary on the Titanic recently and learned something new. After striking the berg, Captain Smith ordered "all stop," to give the engineers time to "sound the ship." The CEO of White Star, Irsmay (???) strongly urged Smith to get underway again and make for New York, still 300 miles away. The first three watertight compartments had been compromised by the damage and were flooding. The tipping point was 5 compartments. From the beginning, within the first minute after impact, the assistant chief engineer (can't recall his name) was personally leading the effort to contain the flooding. They were in the 4th compartment back from the bow, and had initiated the compartment pumps, which could pump out 28 tons of water/minute. While sitting motionless, Titanic was taking on 20 tons of water/minute. Meaning, the engineers were winning the battle. But then....

    Against his better judgment, and based on the "okay" from Chief Engineer Bell, Smith ordered ahead half-speed. The forward motion of the ship forced more water into the breach, at a rate of 40 tons/minute. Compartment 4 was lost and the engineers fell back to the 5th, and last one needed to keep dry. The Asst Chief engineer was screaming for the ship to be stopped and sent a runner to the bridge asking for the ship to be stopped. But, Smith was deferring to the CEO and was waiting for a report from Bell. On his own, Smith ordered a second "all stop", but the additional 5 mins of forward motion had been enough. The bulkhead between the 4th and 5th compartments could not stand against the immense pressure of the thousands of tons of water pressing against it. After 12 mins, the engineers had succeeded in pumping the 5th compartment dry, and thought they would be okay. But, the bulkhead itself failed. With the flooding of the 5th compartment, the tipping point had been reached. The Titanic weighed 46,300 tons, and displaced 52,400 tons. That's only a 6,000 ton margin of error.

    Engineers today say, had the ship been stopped after the impact, and not resumed forward motion, it would have stayed afloat at least 14 hours, not the mere 2 hours it did. The first of the rescue ships arrived in 10 hours after the impact.

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    Re: The Titanic

    Nice report D80 .....interviews with passengers:


    http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...j1j9j6j1.21.0.

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    Re: The Titanic

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    A memorial of light

    Swiss light artist Gerry Hofstetter creates a test projection on an iceberg in 2011. Hofstetter has plans to project pictures illustrating the sinking of the Titanic on a giant iceberg for the 100th anniversary of the catastrophe.



    Michael Kessler / EPA


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    Zechariah 12:3
    Jerusalem will become a burdensome stone for all people

    Zechariah 12:9
    The God of Israel will seek to destroy all the
    nations that come against Jerusalem


    Psalm 122
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    “May those who love you be secure.
    7 May there be peace within your walls
    and security within your citadels.”
    8 For the sake of my family and friends,
    I will say, “Peace be within you.”


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    Re: The Titanic

    dawg80, was your opening post intending to suggest that engineers are always right and should therefore always be calling the shots instead of corporate executives?

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    Re: The Titanic

    Quote Originally Posted by ChipDog View Post
    dawg80, was your opening post intending to suggest that engineers are always right and should therefore always be calling the shots instead of corporate executives?
    On a board full of engineers, I'm gonna say, Of course!

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    Re: The Titanic

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Everyone knows today is the 100th anniversary of the sinking. Would have been 2 mins after midnight our time. 2:02 am at the site, (two hours ahead of CDT). The fact that "everyone knows" is interesting. Why the fascination with this tidbit of history? I am a history buff, I love it. It's a hobby of mine. So, I am interested in such things. But, the masses are mostly disinterested in history....and in fact, too many can't remember, and don't care, what promises politicians make, and then fail to keep.

    Watched a documentary on the Titanic recently and learned something new. After striking the berg, Captain Smith ordered "all stop," to give the engineers time to "sound the ship." The CEO of White Star, Irsmay (???) strongly urged Smith to get underway again and make for New York, still 300 miles away. The first three watertight compartments had been compromised by the damage and were flooding. The tipping point was 5 compartments. From the beginning, within the first minute after impact, the assistant chief engineer (can't recall his name) was personally leading the effort to contain the flooding. They were in the 4th compartment back from the bow, and had initiated the compartment pumps, which could pump out 28 tons of water/minute. While sitting motionless, Titanic was taking on 20 tons of water/minute. Meaning, the engineers were winning the battle. But then....

    Against his better judgment, and based on the "okay" from Chief Engineer Bell, Smith ordered ahead half-speed. The forward motion of the ship forced more water into the breach, at a rate of 40 tons/minute. Compartment 4 was lost and the engineers fell back to the 5th, and last one needed to keep dry. The Asst Chief engineer was screaming for the ship to be stopped and sent a runner to the bridge asking for the ship to be stopped. But, Smith was deferring to the CEO and was waiting for a report from Bell. On his own, Smith ordered a second "all stop", but the additional 5 mins of forward motion had been enough. The bulkhead between the 4th and 5th compartments could not stand against the immense pressure of the thousands of tons of water pressing against it. After 12 mins, the engineers had succeeded in pumping the 5th compartment dry, and thought they would be okay. But, the bulkhead itself failed. With the flooding of the 5th compartment, the tipping point had been reached. The Titanic weighed 46,300 tons, and displaced 52,400 tons. That's only a 6,000 ton margin of error.

    Engineers today say, had the ship been stopped after the impact, and not resumed forward motion, it would have stayed afloat at least 14 hours, not the mere 2 hours it did. The first of the rescue ships arrived in 10 hours after the impact.
    Great post 80!

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    Titanic Pastor's Last Cry: 'Unsaved to the Lifeboats'
    Families of survivors and victims of the Titanic disaster marked the 100th anniversary of the ship's sinking on Sunday.
    Many took part in a special cruise that stopped at the exact place the Titanic sank on April 15, 1912.
    More than 1,500 passengers and crew died when the massive ocean liner, dubbed unsinkable, struck an iceberg and slipped beneath the waves less than three hours later.
    There are tales of heroism among the victims, including the story of Pastor John Harper.
    According to Baptist Press, Harper spent his last moments seeking to save souls and led at least one man to Christ as the tragedy unfolded.
    Harper had pastored churches in Glasgow and London and was on his way to America to accept the pastorate of Moody Church in Chicago, founded by the famous evangelist Dwight L. Moody.
    When the Titanic struck an iceberg, Harper put his 6-year-old daughter in a lifeboat but refused to get in himself, even though he was her only living parent.
    He then went among the passengers telling them about Jesus Christ. When one man refused the offer of salvation, Harper offered him his own life jacket.
    "You need this more than I do," he said.
    As the ship began to sink, Harper was heard to cry: "Women, children, and the unsaved to the lifeboats!"
    Even after the ship went down, Harper managed to swim to as many people as he could, begging them to give their lives to Christ.
    One survivor later told how he turned down Harper's offer for salvation once, but gave himself to Christ minutes later when the preacher swam back to tell him again, "Believe in the Lord Jesus and thou shalt be saved."
    The man was rescued by a returning lifeboat and later shared his story at an Ontario church, telling the crowd, "I am the last convert of John Harper."


    http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2012/A...the-Lifeboats/
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    I have learned a lot more about Titanic than I knew before. For instance, the trip was not full and could have had 1,000 more passengers than it did. And, the HMS Californian was anchored less than 10 miles away, but had turned off its wireless to save the batteries. Later, the watchmen on the Californian reported they saw the Titanic's distress rockets, but thought they were just playing. You see, it was standard maritime practice to stop for the night when in dangerous iceberg strewn waters.

    Makes you shake your head....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    I have learned a lot more about Titanic than I knew before. For instance, the trip was not full and could have had 1,000 more passengers than it did. And, the HMS Californian was anchored less than 10 miles away, but had turned off its wireless to save the batteries. Later, the watchmen on the Californian reported they saw the Titanic's distress rockets, but thought they were just playing. You see, it was standard maritime practice to stop for the night when in dangerous iceberg strewn waters.

    Makes you shake your head....
    But wasn't it that they weren't distress rockets, but something akin to strafe flares?
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    Re: The Titanic

    Fenway Park opened the same year the Titanic sank!
    Going the extra centimeter

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    "socket signals" is what the record says. Which I understand to be much like modern-day fireworks. The Titanic's burst into a white star shape, because the company's name was White Star. It was common practice, in that day, for the liners to shoot signals announcing who they were. Which is why the Californian watchmen thought it was just the Titanic announcing their presence, kind of like boasting, "We are White Star!" The Cal's watchmen had also assumed the Titanic had stopped for the night in the dangerous waters, which was common practice.

    There was no maritime law making distress signals uniformed. There was a loosely-agreed-upon standard of shooting signals at an interval of exactly one minute. If at one-minute, other ships would know the ship was in distress. The Cal's watchmen testified there was no set pattern to the signals. Which is why they never considered them to be a distress call.

    The Californian had turned off its wireless, but the Carpathia was attempting to relay routine wireless messages to the Titanic, when it received the distress calls. BTW, all the ships are designated RMS, not HMS. My mistake. RMS stands for Royal Mail Ship. The Titanic was also designated RMS.

    The Carpathia arrived only in time to pick up the survivors in the lifeboats. The Californian had resumed its trip, until it learned of the accident. Which it did when it finally turned its wireless back on around 10am. The SS Frankfurt was in route to aid the Carpathia and was engaged in exchanging messages, when the Cal's operator intercepted a message about the Titanic's sinking. The Cal then steamed to the site, but arrived after the Carpathia had already picked up all 700+ survivors. The Californian agreed to stay behind and keep searching for possible survivors....and bodies.

    The Carpathia was 33 miles away from Titanic when she learned of the accident, and immediately put itself at risk by steaming full speed ahead thru the iceberg strewn waters. Afterwards, it took three days to reach New York, as severe storms caused heavy seas and slowed the Carpathia's progress.

    Times have changed....

    No fault found, really. No lawsuits against White Star or any other legal consequences. And to add insult to injury this tidbit.... White Star sent bills to the families of perished crewmen, for their company-issued uniforms. I wish I were kidding....

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