CNN Ratings Hit 20-Year Low...

[detltu]

Yes and no. I think the main problem is that there's little apparent difference between the news shows and the opinion shows. Anybody who's taken a freshmen level logic class can tell the difference between news and opinion. Sure, there is editorial stuff in headlines and deciding what "news" to highlight. CNN went the way of Fox because "news" doesn't sell. We want people to tell us what we already believed, so we eat these opinion shows up.

I think reading news is SO MUCH better because it's easier to decipher fact from opinion.

You could right books about the poor logic, leading language, and fallacious summaries employed by Hannity, Ingram, Lemon, and Cuomo.

It's Idocracy come to life.

I mentioned this somewhere else, but I feel like because of Fox, all of the "news" shows began to blur the lines between news and analysis and between analysis and opinion. Enough that I think people lump things in with the "news" that are clearly not news. Things like the view and Fox and Friends etc.

1. In my opinion, the news is purely factual. XYZ happened, police believe XYZ, XYZ has been accused of whatever.
2. When they start adding a slant to the story it becomes opinion to me.
3. When they start pushing an agenda it becomes propaganda.
4. When they start pushing speculation to push their agenda it becomes fake news.

Most of the "news" today is at least 2 if not 3. It's up to the reader (or viewer) to sift through the 2's and 3's to try to determine what the actual news is. Usually by visiting a few sites with opposing biases to try to sift through the BS.

[PawDawg]

I'm 59. In the early 80s when cable was just coming about and CNN was a real cable news source. CNN was actually considered as a right leaning news source because they dared to give some views from the right. In those days and before the ONLY source for conservative views were Paul Harvey or editorial print. There were ZERO conservative news sources from ABC, NBC, or CBS and people were hungry for something that did not lean left on EVERY issue.

I've always thought it was ironic that JFK is thought of as an honorable person and good president. He was anything but. Don't even get me started on LBJ.

[dawg80]

I laid out the history of the decline in journalism in a post over a year ago. I don't remember what thread it was on.

In quick summary, like public education, the commies took over "news" organizations and pushed a leftist agenda. Entities like Rush, in 1988, and later FOX, in 1996, were a direct result of this extreme leftist shift and the market clamored for the truth. Since then the two sides have dug their heels in and are just taking sides, mostly. FOX is still the most balanced...by far! But, yes, they have their editorial shows like Hannity and Carlson.

[Guisslapp]

I had SlingTV for a while and had CNN. I've cancelled it and I didn't watch it much, but the Cuomo Lemon combo was every bit as bad as most of the crap on Fox News. Though, for my money, Laura Ingram is about as bad as it gets.

Agree on Lemon, but Cuomo will take a deep dive into the issues and give you a lot of analysis. His show has improved greatly.

[johnnylightnin]

Please give us an example of a topic a person could lean left or right on if they read the facts rather than hearing the facts.

Trump, Obama, night, day, light, dark, welfare, capitalism, socialism, theism, atheism, cooking, hunting, cooking while hunting, football, insurance, etc.

[PawDawg]

Trump, Obama, night, day, light, dark, welfare, capitalism, socialism, theism, atheism, cooking, hunting, cooking while hunting, football, insurance, etc.

Interesting. You think FACTS read on the above would cause a person to lean left or right?

You are getting objective and subjective confused. That may work for cooking, hunting, football, but not for basic laws of nature.

Example: Insurance is based on the law of large numbers. That is not up for debate, but those who lean left want to change the definitions to suit their cause. You might as well claim 2+2=5 and say your read it so it must be true.

[johnnylightnin]

Interesting. You think FACTS read on the above would cause a person to lean left or right?

You are getting objective and subjective confused. That may work for cooking, hunting, football, but not for basic laws of nature.

Example: Insurance is based on the law of large numbers. That is not up for debate, but those who lean left want to change the definitions to suit their cause. You might as well claim 2+2=5 and say your read it so it must be true.

Facts are facts. My point was that they are easier to decipher or see for what they are in print rather than conveyed by a “news person”. I think it’s easier to be more objective when reading as there are fewer sensory inputs to process.

[PawDawg]

Facts are facts. My point was that they are easier to decipher or see for what they are in print rather than conveyed by a “news person”. I think it’s easier to be more objective when reading as there are fewer sensory inputs to process.

I agree regarding some subjects, but you'll be hard pressed to find objective information regarding many of the subjects you listed above...ESPECIALLY in our public school systems.

Example: Sexual identity is no longer subjective, it is objective and if you disagree you lose your tax exempt status. Facts are facts, but it depends on your reading material and whether indoctrination (subjective) information is being used or objective information is being used.

Now back to media...FOX tends to give a more a conservative view of most topics. The others (ALL OF THEM) tend to lean left. Good luck finding reading material that will begin as objective.

[SicemDawgz]

I get all my news from Alex Jones.

[johnnylightnin]

I agree regarding some subjects, but you'll be hard pressed to find objective information regarding many of the subjects you listed above...ESPECIALLY in our public school systems.

Example: Sexual identity is no longer subjective, it is objective and if you disagree you lose your tax exempt status. Facts are facts, but it depends on your reading material and whether indoctrination (subjective) information is being used or objective information is being used.

Now back to media...FOX tends to give a more a conservative view of most topics. The others (ALL OF THEM) tend to lean left. Good luck finding reading material that will begin as objective.

The subjectivity of the author/reporter is of little consequence if I can tell what in his report are facts and what are opinions. I think its easier to do that when I read as opposed to when I listen. Your mileage may vary.

[detltu]

I get all my news from Alex Jones.

The champion of truth and justice and heterosexual frogs.

[70TECHGRAD]

The subjectivity of the author/reporter is of little consequence if I can tell what in his report are facts and what are opinions. I think its easier to do that when I read as opposed to when I listen. Your mileage may vary.

EXCELLENT observation!!!!

[FriscoDog]

The subjectivity of the author/reporter is of little consequence if I can tell what in his report are facts and what are opinions. I think its easier to do that when I read as opposed to when I listen. Your mileage may vary.

I agree with this, unfortunately many if not most people do not read entire reports or articles anymore. We have become a society of headlines and 20-30 second sound bites. Newspapers and TV shows have learned this and use it to manipulate many who only look for those headlines and not details. News outlets shape the narrative they want you to walk away with. The facts can be there in the story, but they are buried and many don't take the time to read it. For example here are two sample headlines:

Trump saves little girls life


Trump kills family dog


Both of these "headlines" could report the exact same story and facts if you read it. But just reading the headlines you can walk away with two different perspectives. "News organizations" know this and use it to their advantage.

[70TECHGRAD]

I agree with this, unfortunately many if not most people do not read entire reports or articles anymore. We have become a society of headlines and 20-30 second sound bites. Newspapers and TV shows have learned this and use it to manipulate many who only look for those headlines and not details. News outlets shape the narrative they want you to walk away with. The facts can be there in the story, but they are buried and many don't take the time to read it. For example here are two sample headlines:

Trump saves little girls life


Trump kills family dog


Both of these "headlines" could report the exact same story and facts if you read it. But just reading the headlines you can walk away with two different perspectives. "News organizations" know this and use it to their advantage.

Unfortunately, they would go with the latter!!!!

[PawDawg]

Think CNN will pick this apart?

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