We Need to Support Bruce Van De Velde

[HogDawg]

if i can interrupt the steel cage match for just a minute and get back to the original point of the thread, which is titled we need to support BVDV. because i am not and do not pretend to be an insider, i don't know who had the final say here on this decision...BVDV, reneau, a booster? but whoever it was needs to be escorted away from louisiana tech immediately and NEVER consulted or involved with this university ever again.

The bolded print above is where you and I part ways. I think I made myself very clear that I refuse to throw these people under the bus "because I know they mean more to LA Tech's long term success than some lousy I-Bowl against NLU in Shreveport". Their intentions were good.

At times like this, you have to take a big picture approach. To not do so could result in you cutting off your nose to spite your face. But just remember that these decisions are rarely --if ever-- made in a vacuum. That's the point.




HD

[LookingForResults]

I agree. And I don't agree with HD a lot! lol
I know Bruce & Reneau are on that "committee" and I can assume the others on your list are. I don't beleive for a second LFR did not openly state that playing that game was not acceptable to him. He did so here and everyone that matters in the school knows who he is.
Dan is have way out the door. (And his little bark about finding what really happened is all smoke and mirrors)
And Bruce should be. (We do not need to start a new era at our school with someone elses problem.)
The "money people" will always have a say but I wish they woldn't let their egos get infront of what is best. Robbing the 31 seniors (and the rest of the team and students) of a bowl game will cost us. Surely sometime in the next 15-20 years one of these players will hit it big in the next energy boom (That happens right?). Who knows what their feeling will be about the school that robbed them of one last chance!

I had no idea there were such low-lifes on this board. I have repeatedly stated that I had no input in the bowl decision nor did the Davison's. I made no comment on this board concerning this matter before it was announced that we were not going to a bowl because I did not know we weren't going until it was announced. You make wild unsupportable accusations that you hope are true to fit your preconceived opinions. You talk about "money people" and "egos" and "robbing" without basis to justify your snitty, sour outlook. I'm done with you and this Board. Thanks to all that made generous pledges to the TAC video board. Let jab take it from here.

[george]

The bolded print above is where you and I part ways. I think I made myself very clear that I refuse to throw these people under the bus "because I know they mean more to LA Tech's long term success than some lousy I-Bowl against NLU in Shreveport". Their intentions were good.

At times like this, you have to take a big picture approach. To not do so could result in you cutting off your nose to spite your face. But just remember that these decisions are rarely --if ever-- made in a vacuum. That's the point.




HD

we just have to agree to disagree then. my point is a "big picture approach" obviously means you do whatever you can to keep the program moving forward. excluding yourself from a bowl in the bumbling way it is perceived we did has to hurt recruiting, maybe makes a perspective coach shy away, etc.

[johnnylightnin]

I didn't think so. :icon_wink:

I understand your point, but I don't think it's a good one. Unless I'm mistaken, we don't have money guys who throw their money around and give conditional money to get their say (this is where JAB's outrage is misguided). If LFR says he and the Davison's weren't consulted, then I have no reason to doubt him. But even if they were, you can't really hold boosters accountable. IN the ned, this was Bruce's call...or Reneau's. But let's be honest, we can't really hold Reneau accountable either (he's gone this summer). There is one person who ultimately takes responsibility for these athletic decisions...that's Bruce. Again, I don't believe the boosters have run amuck, but even if they did, some aspect of Bruce's job is booster management. There's just no way to get around it. If you take Bruce at his word 100% regarding the bowl situation, he should still be let go.

[RougeDawg]

I had no idea there were such low-lifes on this board. I have repeatedly stated that I had no input in the bowl decision nor did the Davison's. I made no comment on this board concerning this matter before it was announced that we were not going to a bowl because I did not know we weren't going until it was announced. You make wild unsupportable accusations that you hope are true to fit your preconceived opinions. You talk about "money people" and "egos" and "robbing" without basis to justify your snitty, sour outlook. I'm done with you and this Board. Thanks to all that made generous pledges to the TAC video board. Let jab take it from here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4iX5D9Z64

[DONW]

if i can interrupt the steel cage match for just a minute and get back to the original point of the thread, which is titled we need to support BVDV. because i am not and do not pretend to be an insider, i don't know who had the final say here on this decision...BVDV, reneau, a booster? but whoever it was needs to be escorted away from louisiana tech immediately and NEVER consulted or involved with this university ever again.
anyone who thinks it is better for tech (or any school outside maybe the top ten or so) to sit home then to play a bowl game (yes, even against ulm in shreveport) does not have any concept of what is best for the athletic program. screwing this up has gotten us negative national attention, hurt recruiting, and ruined 32 seniors tech careers.

I think Bruce made the right decision. The Liberty bowl said Tech was invited and Bruce took their word. The I-bowl could have pulled the same trick because they've always tried to screw Tech. He had more reason to believe the Liberty Bowl than he did the I-Bowl.

[techman05]

I just can't support someone who is Charlie Brown enough to trust that Lucy isn't going to snatch the football away just because she says so. Get it in writing, email, recorded phone message. Something. That is my only gripe.

All it would have taken.............

Bruce, "Hey, would you mind shooting me that offer in an email? You know how fast things can change and I don't want my guys left out at the last minute."

L-Bowl, "Ah, no, I don't think they will let me do that."

Bruce, "OK, that's cool, we will commit to the I-Bowl instead."

[theprofessor]

Man, you so called journalists stick toghether......... While everyone else debates your post with sucess, I will just add:

First of all, I'm not a "so-called journalist." I work at the second-largest newspaper in the state. There's nothing "so-called" about my job. Secondly, I don't know who I'm sticking together with in your analogy. Help me out here.

The tv audience will absolutely murder the I-Bowl. If you think the people in those markets care about Ohio, you do not know what you are talking about. 3 hours away and 75 miles and they do not even come close to having those markets either......

You don't have to convince me the TV market analysis is broken. I think it's stupid how TV executives consider "potential eyeballs" when they look at markets. That said, they do consider it, no matter how dumb you and I think it is.

[maverick]

You better shut your damn mouth HD because you are way off base and utterly wrong.

Or what, wise guy? You're acting a little TOO defensive here. Don't tell me to shut my damn mouth. I don't live far enough away from you that we can't resolve this quickly.

What are you so defensive about? I've never known decisions like this to be made in a vaccum.

This one was; and I'm ready to resolve it quickly.

Bring it. HD

redacted, Dallas

Thanks to LFR and HD for a very entertaining few seconds. Knowing LFR's age (roughly) and guessing at HD's, the thought of this matchup literally made me LOL. Come on, guys!

[CARTEK]

I know how old they are...and I woulda paid money!

[Cool Hand Clyde]

I know how old they are...and I woulda paid money!

My money is on LFR.

[JAB]

My money is on LFR.

Only if he caught him! I hear HD runs 4.3!

[DawgFaninHous]

I had no idea there were such low-lifes on this board. I have repeatedly stated that I had no input in the bowl decision nor did the Davison's. I made no comment on this board concerning this matter before it was announced that we were not going to a bowl because I did not know we weren't going until it was announced. You make wild unsupportable accusations that you hope are true to fit your preconceived opinions. You talk about "money people" and "egos" and "robbing" without basis to justify your snitty, sour outlook. I'm done with you and this Board. Thanks to all that made generous pledges to the TAC video board. Let jab take it from here.

So LFR, when people disagreed with Bruce about his decision, he replied and copied you, Steve, Dykes and the commissioners of the two conferences???? The only guy who didn't get copied was DR! That was what was so strange! Especially with you being so anti-Reneau and now so pro- Brucey!

I think you know more than you are saying or want to say! And you know I know! :icon_wink: - To HD's comments - the decision was definately not made in a vacuum!

[70TECHGRAD]

I had no idea there were such low-lifes on this board. I have repeatedly stated that I had no input in the bowl decision nor did the Davison's. I made no comment on this board concerning this matter before it was announced that we were not going to a bowl because I did not know we weren't going until it was announced. You make wild unsupportable accusations that you hope are true to fit your preconceived opinions. You talk about "money people" and "egos" and "robbing" without basis to justify your snitty, sour outlook. I'm done with you and this Board. Thanks to all that made generous pledges to the TAC video board. Let jab take it from here.

It is not nice to piss off LFR!!

[ITdrummer]

And to respond to the OP...Hell no! He's a man. He can support his damn self.