That's scary if Big East prefers San Antonio over Tech (likely, imo). But not as scary as what ULM is facing.
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That's scary if Big East prefers San Antonio over Tech (likely, imo). But not as scary as what ULM is facing.
UH to MWC is looking a lot more likely (less unlikely?) than it did yesterday. Someone looked up our BE entrance agreement, and I don't see anything there that's prohibitive. We would have the exit fee, though as with Boise there may be room to negotiate depending on what you could as a "BCS Conference" and when it became official that the Big East wasn't one.
Unfortunately, there are some indications that the MWC is looking for between 11-14 teams. If we're going west, I'd really like there to be 16 teams. That would probably be best for you guys as well as it would remove Tulsa from consideration to the BE and remove one bit of competition.
Reports seem all over the place with regard to San Diego State. Some say that SDSU may be passed over, while others say they simply haven't started talking to them yet but they will.
I'm not as upset by the TV deal as I would have been had they let Boise State keep the money from the separate TV deal.
The BE is sitting on a lot of exit fee money. While obviously the conference doesn't want to not have a contract, it's not like it will dissolve without one. As I said previously, the key is ECU. If you start hearing noise about ECU returning to Conference USA, the BE suddenly has viability problems. They need to give ECU that all-sports invite. They have become really important.
University of Houston '01. Any references to "we" or "us" likely refer to UH. Cheers!
Just so we're clear........I STILL think the MWC will end up being a 16 team all-sports conference, including the Texas markets of Dallas (SMU), Houston (UH) and El Pisso (UTEP), as well as Tulsa. That will allow the MWC to break up into two (2) east-west 8-team divisions as follows:Originally Posted by HogDawg
MWC EAST
SMU
Houston
Tulsa
UTEP
New Mexico
Col St
Air Force
Wyoming
MWC WEST
Boise St
Fresno St
Hawaii
Nevada
UNLV
SDSU
SJSU
Utah St
CONGRATS to the MWC! This is a great model for the MWC, and puts them squarely into the very profitable markets of Houston and Dallas. That will greatly improve their new TV contract (with CBS?). This lineup will work very well.
HD
Ideally, it would be 16. If we can have three eastern rim teams (UH, SMU, and Tulsa) and five front range schools (UTEP, UNM, CSU, AFA, and Wyo), that'd make for a very satisfactory sub-league. Those front-range schools have to get better at some point. (Did you mean to switch Wyoming and USU?)
My concern is that they'll want get stingy and stop at 14, putting us in a division with Utah State and with only one relatively nearby school and the next being in Albuquerque. Or that they will go non-geographical so that King Boise gets to play in California and Texas. That'd make me less excited.
If we go, of course. Which is very uncertain.
University of Houston '01. Any references to "we" or "us" likely refer to UH. Cheers!
Yep...I switched Wyoming and USU about the time of your last post.
Not sure I understand WHY the MWC would stop at 14. They need 16 to make it work. They have to add enough new eastern teams to make a legitimate "pod" in the east. The geography doesn't makes sense for UH or SMU to join the MWC without UTEP and Tulsa.......or SOMEBODY else from the east. With that in mind, I think the MWC will do the right thing and go to 16.
The "hard part" (adding Boise St back) is over for the MWC. It would be pretty hard for the MWC to screw this up now. I hope you UH fans are ready for an MWC announcement soon.
Why do Wyoming and Colo State get passes? They never seem to be good at anything (recently), they are in the middle of nowhere....?
I'm sure someone will post they have a $1 trillion endowment and "own" the 346 TV households within 100 miles of their campuses....
Shortest answer: Because they're already in their desired conference.
Short answer: Because Air Force is a valuable commodity, and Colorado State is with Air Force, and Wyoming is with Colorado State.
Full answer:
Colorado State is the land-grant university for the state of Colorado, and has a reasonable claim of being a "statewide university." They haven't always been as bad as they are now and will likely be good again at some point.
Wyoming is... well, with Colorado State. The size of the university, the population of the state, and the size of the stadium would be more at home in the Big Sky Conference, but they've managed sporadic competitiveness. And they're with Colorado State. Who is with Air Force.
University of Houston '01. Any references to "we" or "us" likely refer to UH. Cheers!
Actually I think he was one of them.
Yuppers...some of us have been saying the MWC or the BE for a very long time.
my magic 8 ball doesn't look so bad for Tech...Here is the current 2016 conferences as teams are currently pledged, and the future according to my magic 8 ball and the Ucher deck used as tarot cards.
Current conference alignment plans ACC Big 12 Big East Big Ten CUSA MWC MAC PAC 12 SEC Belch Indy Florida St. Kansas St. Cincinnati Illinois Charlotte Boise St. Akron Arizona LSU Arkansas St. Army Clemson Oklahoma Connecticut Indiana Louisiana Tech Fresno St. Ball St. Arizona St. Alabama W. Kentucky BYU N. Carolina St. Texas South Florida Iowa Marshall Air Force Bowling Green California Arkansas Texas State Idaho Wake Forest Oklahoma St. Temple Maryland ODU Nevada Buffalo Colorado Auburn Ga St New Mexico St. Louisville Baylor East Carolina Michigan Rice Colorado St. C. Michigan Oregon Florida La.-Lafayette Notre Dame Boston College Texas Tech Houston Michigan St. Southern Miss Wyoming E. Michigan Oregon St. Georgia La.-Monroe North Carolina TCU Memphis Minnesota Texas-San Antonio UNLV Kent St. Stanford Kentucky Troy Miami (Fla.) West Virginia SMU Nebraska Tulsa New Mexico Massachusetts UCLA Mississippi South Alabama Georgia Tech Iowa St. Navy Northwestern UAB Hawaii Miami (Ohio) USC Mississippi St. Virginia Tech Kansas UCF Ohio St. UTEP Utah St. Northern Illinois Utah Missouri Duke San Diego St. Penn St. FAU San Jose St. Ohio Washington South Carolina Virginia Tulane Purdue FIU Toledo Washington St. Tennessee Syracuse Rutgers M. Tenn. St. W. Michigan Texas A&M Pittsburgh Wisconsin North Texas Vanderbilt
There is currently lots of talk about the ACC losing GT+UVA to the B1G and Duke+UNC to the SEC. let's say both of those groups leave. that leaves 2 possibilities for the ACC.
1. the conference TOTALLY falls apart by way of the Big 12 ripping the heart out of the ACC and taking FSU, Miami, CU, VT, and maybe more.
2. the ACC holds together by bringing ND in as a full member and 1 more Big East team.
either way, i think ND will see its days as an independent are over.
scenario 1. Big 12 goes for 16 and brings in Miami, FSU, CU, VT, and Pitt. ND sees the writing on the wall and gets in the 16th spot in the Big 12 (which changes its name to the Big 16). The ACC is left with BC, UL, NCSU, Cuse, and WF. they invite most of the Big East in to get back to 14 (Cincy, UConn, USF, UCF, Temple, Houston, SMU, Memphis) and Tulsa to round it out. Tulane and ECU slink back to CUSA because they have nowhere else to go. Navy goes back to independent. SDSU goes back to the MWC. that leaves these conferences:
ACC Big 12 Big East Big Ten CUSA MWC MAC PAC 12 SEC Belch Indy Boston College Kansas St. Illinois Charlotte Boise St. Akron Arizona LSU Arkansas St. Army Louisville Oklahoma Indiana Louisiana Tech Fresno St. Ball St. Arizona St. Alabama BYU N. Carolina St. Texas Iowa Marshall Air Force Bowling Green California Arkansas Idaho Syracuse Oklahoma St. Maryland ODU Nevada Buffalo Colorado Auburn Ga St New Mexico St. Wake Forest Baylor Michigan Rice Colorado St. C. Michigan Oregon Florida La.-Lafayette Navy Cincinnati Texas Tech Michigan St. Southern Miss Wyoming E. Michigan Oregon St. Georgia La.-Monroe Connecticut TCU Minnesota Texas-San Antonio UNLV Kent St. Stanford Kentucky South Florida West Virginia Nebraska East Carolina New Mexico Massachusetts UCLA Mississippi Temple Iowa St. Northwestern UAB Hawaii Miami (Ohio) USC Mississippi St. South Alabama UCF Kansas Ohio St. UTEP Utah St. Northern Illinois Utah Missouri Troy Houston Clemson Penn St. Tulane San Jose St. Ohio Washington South Carolina W. Kentucky SMU Florida St. Purdue M. Tenn. St. San Diego St. Toledo Washington St. Tennessee Texas State Memphis Miami (Fla.) Rutgers North Texas W. Michigan Texas A&M Tulsa Virginia Tech Wisconsin FAU Vanderbilt Pittsburgh Georgia Tech FIU Duke Notre Dame Virginia another belt team North Carolina
the other scenario involved ESPiN making serious concessions to save the ACC, and is the better scenario for Tech.
the ACC stays put at 12 by ESPiN getting ND in on the condition that UConn gets the 12th spot. at this point the MWC and Big East are in a death match to get the best remaining teams. both are about equally positioned to get teams. SDSU goes back west for the proximity to the other MWC teams. the Big East is able to secure a commitment from Houston and SMU to stay put. UTEP and its basketball is the next team to weigh its options. the Big east uses the fact that it has 2 texas teams to lure UTEP. the MWC grabs Rice in an attempt to make it a more attractive destination for UTEP. in the end UTEP chooses the Big East. both the Big East and MWC have 1 more spot to fill. MWC strikes first and grabs Tulsa. the Big East needs a team that brings some football excitement, and Tech is the best team out there. Tulane makes a passionate plea to bring Tech in as a reward for their help after Katrina. the CUSA left overs join up with the Sunbelt. Tech fans breathe a sigh of relief.
ACC Big 12 Big East Big Ten CUSA MWC MAC PAC 12 SEC Belch Indy Notre Dame Kansas St. Cincinnati Illinois Boise St. Akron Arizona LSU Arkansas St. Army Boston College Oklahoma East Carolina Indiana Fresno St. Ball St. Arizona St. Alabama FAU BYU Pittsburgh Texas Temple Iowa Air Force Bowling Green California Arkansas FIU Idaho Syracuse Oklahoma St. UAB Maryland Nevada Buffalo Colorado Auburn Ga St New Mexico St. Connecticut Baylor ODU Michigan Colorado St. C. Michigan Oregon Florida La.-Lafayette Navy Louisville Texas Tech Charlotte Michigan St. Wyoming E. Michigan Oregon St. Georgia La.-Monroe Clemson TCU Houston Minnesota UNLV Kent St. Stanford Kentucky M. Tenn. St. Florida St. West Virginia Memphis Nebraska New Mexico Massachusetts UCLA Mississippi North Texas Miami (Fla.) Iowa St. SMU Northwestern Hawaii Miami (Ohio) USC Mississippi St. South Alabama N. Carolina St. Kansas Tulane Ohio St. Utah St. Northern Illinois Utah Missouri Troy Wake Forest South Florida UTEP Penn St. San Jose St. Ohio Washington South Carolina Texas State Virginia Tech UCF Louisiana Tech Purdue San Diego St. Toledo Washington St. Tennessee Marshall Rutgers Tulsa W. Michigan Texas A&M Southern Miss Wisconsin Rice W. Kentucky Vanderbilt Texas-San Antonio Georgia Tech Duke Virginia North Carolina
Last edited by GrassyNoleHitman; 01-01-2013 at 09:16 PM. Reason: cleanup. i forgot about some of the belt teams moving
Thanks GNH, your comments always seem more level headed and unbiased.
What talk of Duke and UNC to the $EC? All the talk I have heard is Virginia Tech and N.C. State to the $EC.
Of course UNC is acting like an $EC school with its academic indiscretions.
If Rice gos anywhere, it won't be in the same conference as UH for various reasons.
1. Nobody is going to waste a valuable spot on a 2nd school in Houston.
2. It's already a well-known fact that we will block them from entering the same conference as us. (i.e. if they apply to the nBE and came up for a vote, we would block them)
3. Rice has about the same value as Tulane, so you guys do the math.
Anyway, if you guys think we plan on hanging out in the nBE or MWC for a long time, you're sadly mistaken. Our endowment is bigger than all of the current MWC and even if you combine multiple MWC schools, ours is still bigger. Our athletic budget is almost half of Boise's endowment and growing, we have our own university system and satellite campuses and by the time our stadium is finished, we'd have the 2nd biggest one in the current MWC and that's without expansion. We will have the largest enrollment (we have over 40,000 at our main campus alone) out of the entire MWC.
We are destined for a power 5 conference. Hell, we'd be in the Big 12 already if it wasn't for political bs.
King, UH, like everyone else, will hang out in one of the Gang of Five until a better opportunity arises. Nobody has any idea when - and if - that will be. Doing a smug victory dance on someone else's site doesn't make it happen (or doesn't make it happen any sooner). The last thing we need to do is become that school that is too good for whatever conference they are in. If it were that straightforward, our options wouldn't be what they have been.
(UH, class of 2001.)
University of Houston '01. Any references to "we" or "us" likely refer to UH. Cheers!
That's right Tyler. I specifically remember you and I both saying this way back last spring.....even before Tech received its' invite to CUSA. And AFTER too. The reason I remember is because not too many people agreed with us.
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