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    Buffalo suprised me, as well. Had no clue. Rice and Tulane are often considered Ivy League of the South. In my opinion, that is the conference that would really fit them, but they will never step down in athletics.

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    Re: C-USA presidents vote to stay at 14 members

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06 View Post
    I'll start with Tulane's trump card: Tulane is an AAU member. No school in Louisiana has academic credentials in Tulane's realm.

    FBS AAU schools not in big money conferences:
    - Rice
    - Tulane
    - Buffalo

    New Orleans isn't the biggest market, but in the words of UCF's president, New Orleans is an "important" market. New Orleans hosts up to three bowl games per season including the BCS Championship every fourth year. New Orleans has hosted MBB and WBB Final Fours, and if they aren't hosting the Final Fours, New Orleans is usually a regional or sub-regional host site. New Orleans can host any conference event. New Orleans is rich in recruiting talent. New Orleans is a tourist destination 365 days a year that fans from all over the country enjoy traveling to.

    Tulane's president Scott Cowen has very powerful voice in college athletics and academics. He took on the BC$ to fight for the non-AQ schools, and he's president of the AAU.

    $150 million in athletic facilities improvements since Katrina
    Brand new football stadium: In progress
    Total renovation of basketball arena: Check
    Brand new baseball stadium: Check
    Brand new basketball/volleyball practice facility: Check
    Brand new "athletics village": In the works
    Brand new indoor practice facility: In the works
    And the list goes on...

    Before Hurricane Katrina hit, Tulane won more C-USA championships than any other school in the conference. Tulane's excuse for their lack of competitive success is that they are still in recovery mode from the hurricane.

    And Tulane is in the American. The Big XII won't take a school from C-USA, and they certainly won't take one from the Belch. Any additions to the big money conferences will come from the Mountain West, American, or BYU.
    Wouldn't surprise me, hell the Big XII has Baylor why not Tulane? The only reason Baylor got into the big 8 because politicians in Austin force Texas and A&M too take Baylor along with them

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    Re: C-USA presidents vote to stay at 14 members

    Quote Originally Posted by longdawgview View Post
    Wouldn't surprise me, hell the Big XII has Baylor why not Tulane? The only reason Baylor got into the big 8 because politicians in Austin force Texas and A&M too take Baylor along with them
    You could say the same for Texas Tech, right?

    Baylor was easily the best on-field football product at the time from among the other SWC schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inudesu View Post
    You could say the same for Texas Tech, right?

    Baylor was easily the best on-field football product at the time from among the other SWC schools.
    TCU earned their way back....

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    Quote Originally Posted by longdawgview View Post
    Wouldn't surprise me, hell the Big XII has Baylor why not Tulane? The only reason Baylor got into the big 8 because politicians in Austin force Texas and A&M too take Baylor along with them
    And they're mighty glad the kept Baylor now. They help the conference academically big time and Baylor has been smoking hot athletically for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    ....and Baylor has been smoking hot athletically for a while.

    Of course one could say that had they been relegated to the MWC or CUSA, their athletic successes would have been far fewer. Another perk of big time conference membership. The rich get richer....

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    I agree with Hogdawg about Tulane's pitiful performance in athletics, but obviously they have other stuff that elevates them in these conference discussions. Sad, but true.
    Good old Memorial Gym

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    Re: C-USA presidents vote to stay at 14 members

    Quote Originally Posted by Tech77 View Post
    I agree with Hogdawg about Tulane's pitiful performance in athletics, but obviously they have other stuff that elevates them in these conference discussions. Sad, but true.
    Which begs the question.....aren't we talking about ATHLETIC conferences in the first place??? How can ATHLETIC conferences forget about the "athletics" part?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HogDawg View Post
    Which begs the question.....aren't we talking about ATHLETIC conferences in the first place??? How can ATHLETIC conferences forget about the "athletics" part?
    Academic stature doesn't really change much, but athletic success can come and go very quickly with just one good or bad hire. The commissioners seem to believe that athletic success can be bought with large investments in athletics like facilities and operating expenditures, and the university presidents want to be associated with the most prestigious universities possible.

    Something I forgot to mention earlier... Tulane has promised to play their big conference basketball games at New Orleans Arena.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06 View Post
    Something I forgot to mention earlier... Tulane has promised to play their big conference basketball games at New Orleans Arena.
    That will look about like their football games in the dome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HogDawg View Post
    How can ATHLETIC conferences forget about the "athletics" part?

    Although athletics is the starting point, some of the major conferences also engage in shared research, collaboration, and academic pursuits as well. I could not find it, but the Big East had some sort of collaborative effort as well. Plus it gives the college presidents cover when they say academics trumps athletics if they have a high ranking academic school onboard and rubbing elbows with such schools never hurts the public image either.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06 View Post
    Something I forgot to mention earlier... Tulane has promised to play their big conference basketball games at New Orleans Arena.
    ....still doesn't change the fact that Tulame has NO FANS!!! And they never will, because Tulane doesn't recruit their average students locally. For the most part, the New Orleans "locals" are disconnected from the university, and don't have any allegiances to Tulame. That's ALWAYS going to be a big problem.

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    Re: C-USA presidents vote to stay at 14 members

    Quote Originally Posted by champion110 View Post
    That will look about like their football games in the dome.
    That's the first thing I thought too. What a terrible idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HogDawg View Post
    ....still doesn't change the fact that Tulame has NO FANS!!! And they never will, because Tulane doesn't recruit their average students locally. For the most part, the New Orleans "locals" are disconnected from the university, and don't have any allegiances to Tulame. That's ALWAYS going to be a big problem.
    Yet Tulane still got the Big East invite, and the Big XII still showed some interest in Tulane.


    I posted this a while back...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06
    UCF President John Hitt helped Tulane get their Big East invite: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...517,full.story

    Hitt texted the commissioner of the Big East about interest from Tulane University in joining the conference. "Scott Cowen at Tulane wants to talk with me about possibilities for Tulane in the Big East. Scott is a friend. Will listen and then call you. John," Hitt wrote to Big East Commissioner Mike Aresco. Aresco responded, "This would be a big one for us, important market, great school academically, and Scott would be in our tent on the BCS revenue share matter we have to deal with as well as other things."
    - Important market
    - Great academics
    - Powerful president

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    Re: C-USA presidents vote to stay at 14 members

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06 View Post
    and the Big XII still showed some interest in Tulane.


    I posted this a while back...


    - Important market
    - Great academics
    - Powerful president
    Yeah.....I think the "Big XII" part was BS. I always thought it was BS. The Big XII was never going to invite Tulame to the dance. They might have interviewed Tulame out of professional courtesy, but frankly as a businessman, I don't see any value WHATSOEVER that Tulame brings to any conference.

    And it's NOT an important market, so quit saying that. Dallas is an important market. San Antonio is an important market. Houston & Miami Fla are important markets. New Orleans is NOT an important market. It's a dying --or stagnant-- market, as exemplified by The Times Picayune's inability to survive as as full service newspaper there. Has New Orleans suddenly become a hub for high tech business, or a job magnet, and I just haven't heard about it? I don't think so.

    New Orleans is an LSU market, pure and simple. Yeah, I know Shreveport is an LSU market too....but at least LA Tech can count on being 4-5 hours away from the Baton Rouge-New Orleans area.

    Tulame received an invite to the AAC for sentimental reasons and because the AAC leadership needed to rais the conferences GPA. It was soley an academic vote. With the commuter schools (Memphis, Houston, USF & UCF) dragging the conference GPA down, the AAC needed Tulame to raise the conference GPA. Nothing more.

    BTW, you do know Cowens is retiring, right?

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