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    “He f***ing hates Cruz,” an adviser to Sen. McCain told GQ’s Jason Zengerle. “He’s just offended by his style.”


    But it appears that the contentious relationship cuts both ways. Cruz has his own words for the senior Arizona senator. “I don’t know a conservative who didn’t feel embarrassed voting in 2006 or 2008,” Cruz said. “I think the Republican Party lost its way. We didn’t stand for the principles we’re supposed to believe in.”

    Recall that McCain mocked Sens. Cruz and Rand Paul (R-Ky.) after the Kentucky senator’s 13-hour filibuster over the White House’s drone policy, referring to the two senators and those who agree with them as “wackobirds.”

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    Pardon the tangent, but .... Is there any room for moderates in American politics anymore?

    Reps seem to shun any outliers in their party as RINOs. Dems dismiss their centrists as DINOS. But I would submit that much of the American story is the story of compromise -- of give and take. That part of politics is now dismissed, if not demonized.

    Can reasonable people no longer disagree on principle and still respect one another? Can someone no longer be a fiscal liberal and remain a social conservative, or vice versa? At what point did ideological obstinance become a virtue?

    Does this bother anyone else?

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    Re: John McCain

    **** John McCain...tired of listening to him!
    I'm an asshole! What's your excuse?

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    Pardon the tangent, but .... Is there any room for moderates in American politics anymore?

    Not when some pos ignored the oath he took in 2008.

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    Re: John McCain

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ967 View Post
    Pardon the tangent, but .... Is there any room for moderates in American politics anymore?

    Reps seem to shun any outliers in their party as RINOs. Dems dismiss their centrists as DINOS. But I would submit that much of the American story is the story of compromise -- of give and take. That part of politics is now dismissed, if not demonized.

    Can reasonable people no longer disagree on principle and still respect one another? Can someone no longer be a fiscal liberal and remain a social conservative, or vice versa? At what point did ideological obstinance become a virtue?

    Does this bother anyone else?
    Like Hitler?
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    Re: John McCain

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Like Hitler?
    Yeah, that's its. Precisely like hitler. (It's like you always know just what I'm thinking.)

    Why can't modern American politics have more great compromisers like Hitler? I'd bet Adolf would be derided as a NINO if he were here today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ967 View Post
    Yeah, that's its. Precisely like hitler. (It's like you always know just what I'm thinking.)

    Why can't modern American politics have more great compromisers like Hitler? I'd bet Adolf would be derided as a NINO if he were here today.

    Heh, heh, heh ... good one.

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    I think John McCain would "roll over in his grave" if he knew that Hitler and his name were brought up in the same thread.

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    Re: John McCain

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ967 View Post
    Pardon the tangent, but .... Is there any room for moderates in American politics anymore?

    Reps seem to shun any outliers in their party as RINOs. Dems dismiss their centrists as DINOS. But I would submit that much of the American story is the story of compromise -- of give and take. That part of politics is now dismissed, if not demonized.

    Can reasonable people no longer disagree on principle and still respect one another? Can someone no longer be a fiscal liberal and remain a social conservative, or vice versa? At what point did ideological obstinance become a virtue?

    Does this bother anyone else?
    Is that your definition of a moderate, someone who has opposite (in terms of libtard vs. conservative) views of fiscal vs. social policies?

    How about someone who has so-called "middle of the road" views within one of the areas? Such as, supports too much government in some arenas of economic policy, but opposes gov-mint over-reach in other instants of economic policy? Example, said person might be a strong advocate of too much gov-mint giveaways in "safety net" policy, but at the same time be a staunch supporter of individual property rights. Analyzing that person's overall views, would cast him/her into the "moderate" category, by definition.

    But, more to your question, about "reasonable" people disagreeing. Unfortunately, civil discourse was cast aside by the increasingly desperate "progressives" (socialists) when the American populace continually rejected their warped view of the world. So, slowly, taking decades, those wormy socialists hijacked the media and the education system and began indoctrinating the masses, looking for that tipping point whereby more Americans would be dependent on THEM, than rejected THEM. When the former "main stream" media (the old networks) stopped reporting the news and started creating it, a natural response was the formation of a counter system of mass media: talk radio, Rush, Hannity, etc... Now, the two sides have become so polarized that offering to "meet in the middle" is seen as a sign of weakness from the other side.

    What we need is a good world war to bring this nation together again.

    And please note, I mean a "good" WW, one where the USA is righteous and fights on the right side.

    Oh...back to the main point. The libtards started it. So, if you're upset about the lack of civil discourse, it's their fault.

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    Re: John McCain

    Nice to get a two page thread going in the political section that isn't about gahy marriage or full of "cut and paste" by one of my fellow conservatives.

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    Re: John McCain

    If I were in 2008 with the knowledge I have now, and someone were to hold a gun to my head and tell me I had to vote for one of those two pathetic POS's, I think I'd vote for Obama over McCain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowpoke1977 View Post
    If I were in 2008 with the knowledge I have now, and someone were to hold a gun to my head and tell me I had to vote for one of those two pathetic POS's, I think I'd vote for Obama over McCain.
    Not me! I would vote for some other party candidate. I will never vote for an evil socialist like obummer. Not now, not ever, NEVER!!!!!

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    Re: John McCain

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    Is that your definition of a moderate, someone who has opposite (in terms of libtard vs. conservative) views of fiscal vs. social policies?

    How about someone who has so-called "middle of the road" views within one of the areas? Such as, supports too much government in some arenas of economic policy, but opposes gov-mint over-reach in other instants of economic policy? Example, said person might be a strong advocate of too much gov-mint giveaways in "safety net" policy, but at the same time be a staunch supporter of individual property rights. Analyzing that person's overall views, would cast him/her into the "moderate" category, by definition.

    But, more to your question, about "reasonable" people disagreeing. Unfortunately, civil discourse was cast aside by the increasingly desperate "progressives" (socialists) when the American populace continually rejected their warped view of the world. So, slowly, taking decades, those wormy socialists hijacked the media and the education system and began indoctrinating the masses, looking for that tipping point whereby more Americans would be dependent on THEM, than rejected THEM. When the former "main stream" media (the old networks) stopped reporting the news and started creating it, a natural response was the formation of a counter system of mass media: talk radio, Rush, Hannity, etc... Now, the two sides have become so polarized that offering to "meet in the middle" is seen as a sign of weakness from the other side.

    What we need is a good world war to bring this nation together again.

    And please note, I mean a "good" WW, one where the USA is righteous and fights on the right side.

    Oh...back to the main point. The libtards started it. So, if you're upset about the lack of civil discourse, it's their fault.
    "Moderate" should be defined as the meeting point after compromise is finished. And nobody should ever get everything they want, unless 100% of everyone wants it.

    This is all the result of the dems shoving through a large nation-altering piece of legislation that gives more and more power to the federal government without a single vote from the opposition (and that legislation was largely constructed behind closed doors with no input from the opposition). Their majority gave them the right to define the agenda, not shove though legislation like that. So this is what you get.

    All this dysfunctionality can be traced to the dems abuse of power during this period, and in my opinion the govt shutting down is the least of the possible outcomes from this period (where 50% of the population is ignored, most societies would likely erupt into civil war).

    This congress needs a good cleansing, starting with that POS Reid. I guess gambling money will keep him in office as long as he wants to be there, though...so expect more of the same for some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddawg View Post
    Nice to get a two page thread going in the political section that isn't about gahy marriage or full of "cut and paste" by one of my fellow conservatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow View Post
    "Moderate" should be defined as the meeting point after compromise is finished. And nobody should ever get everything they want, unless 100% of everyone wants it.

    This is all the result of the dems shoving through a large nation-altering piece of legislation that gives more and more power to the federal government without a single vote from the opposition (and that legislation was largely constructed behind closed doors with no input from the opposition). Their majority gave them the right to define the agenda, not shove though legislation like that. So this is what you get.

    All this dysfunctionality can be traced to the dems abuse of power during this period, and in my opinion the govt shutting down is the least of the possible outcomes from this period (where 50% of the population is ignored, most societies would likely erupt into civil war).

    This congress needs a good cleansing, starting with that POS Reid. I guess gambling money will keep him in office as long as he wants to be there, though...so expect more of the same for some time.
    Sharon Angle was light years ahead of Reid in the last election early polls. Then she opened her mouth. and Kept it open by election time Reid won easily. Reid is still the Majority leader in the Senate because the Repubs could not find a worthy candidate. "gambling money" has nothing to do with it since MANY moderate Nevada repubs contributed to Reid's campaign.

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