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    How the new coaches are doing around the nation...

    *(Preface - I wasn't a fan of our hire, and I still am not a fan. I just want everyone to see the picture.)

    Team Returning Starters New Coach '12 W/L '13 W/L '12 PPG '13 PPG '13 Def PPG '12 Def PPG
    La Tech 6 Skip Holtz 9-3 4-6 51.5 19.9 27.4 38.5
    FIU 8 Ron Turner 3-9 1-9 25.0 9.8 37.9 31.7
    Cal 9 Sonny Dykes 3-9 1-10 20.5 22.6 45.8 33.3
    Western Michigan 10 PJ Fleck 4-8 1-10 27.3 16.9 36.5 30.5
    South Florida 10 Willie Taggart 3-9 2-7 19.4 14.0 27.5 28.7
    UTEP 11 Sean Kugler 3-9 2-8 21.2 24.1 37.9 29.8
    NC State 11 Dave Dereoun 7-6 3-7 26.1 22.4 28.7 26.6
    Nevada 11 Brian Polian 7-6 4-7 37.2 26.4 37.8 33.8
    Kent State 11 Paul Haynes 11-3 3-8 32.5 18.8 30.0 24.8
    Idaho 11 Paul Petrino 1-11 1-9 15.4 16.7 44.2 44.5
    Arkansas 11 Brett Beliema 4-8 3-7 28.8 19.2 32.6 31.0

    I think we're the only team in this category that even has a shot at being .500 for the year.

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    Re: How the new coaches are doing around the nation...

    Oh snap. Does this mean if we replaced Skip we might do worse? (see USF)

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    Re: How the new coaches are doing around the nation...

    ...and here is the rest of the coach changes from last year...

    Out of the 30 - only 13 have a chance to finish .500 or better...

    Team Coach '12 Record '13 Record
    Arkansas Brett Bielema 4-8 3-7
    Arkansas State Brian Harsin 10-3 6-4
    Auburn Gus Malzhan 3-9 10-1
    Boston College Steve Addazio 2-10 6-4
    Cal Sonny Dykes 3-9 1-10
    Cincinnati Tommy Tubberville 10-3 8-2
    Colorado Mike Macintyre 1-11 4-6
    FIU Ron Turner 3-9 1-9
    Idaho Paul Petrino 1-11 1-9
    Kent State Paul Haynes 11-3 3-8
    Kentucky Mark Stoops 2-10 2-8
    La Tech Skip Holtz 9-3 4-6
    NC State Dave Doeren 7-6 3-7
    Nevada Brian Polian 7-6 3-7
    New Mexico State Doug Martin 1-11 1-9
    Northern Illinois Rod Carey 12-2 10-0
    Oregon Mark Helfrich 12-1 9-1
    Purdue Daryl Hazell 6-7 1-9
    San Jose State Ron Caragher 11-2 5-5
    Southern Miss Todd Monken 0-12 0-10
    Syracuse Scott Shafer 8-5 5-5
    Temple Matt Rhule 4-7 1-9
    Tennessee Butch Jones 5-7 4-6
    Texas Tech Kliff Kingsbury 8-5 7-4
    USF Willie Taggart 3-9 2-7
    Utah State Matt Wells 11-2 6-4
    UTEP Shaun Kugler 3-9 2-8
    Western Kentucky Bobby Petrino 7-6 6-4
    Western Michigan PJ Fleck 4-8 1-10
    Wisconsin Gary Andersen 8-6 8-2

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    Re: How the new coaches are doing around the nation...

    Quote Originally Posted by T1 View Post
    Oh snap. Does this mean if we replaced Skip we might do worse? (see USF)
    I do think we all should pay careful attention to USF because we may hope to progress but may regress...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockdog View Post
    I do think we all should pay careful attention to USF because we may hope to progress but may regress...
    Southern Miss too. Sometimes, it's not the coach.

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    Re: How the new coaches are doing around the nation...

    Quote Originally Posted by T1 View Post
    Southern Miss too. Sometimes, it's not the coach.
    True...but...let's not forget who was at USF...and who recruited USF for 3 years...and who put USF in the position where they needed to replace the coach...

    I think it's clear that hiring a new coach definitely takes time. It looks like 40% of the teams that replaced their coach have a chance to be above .500, but by the end of the year, we may see that 65% of teams that replaced their coach will finish with a losing record.

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    Re: How the new coaches are doing around the nation...

    Quote Originally Posted by rockdog View Post
    True...but...let's not forget who was at USF...and who recruited USF for 3 years...and who put USF in the position where they needed to replace the coach...

    I think it's clear that hiring a new coach definitely takes time. It looks like 40% of the teams that replaced their coach have a chance to be above .500, but by the end of the year, we may see that 65% of teams that replaced their coach will finish with a losing record.
    I agree. What's strange about our situation is that we lost a successful coach and the new coach can't match the old coach's performance (like Ellis Johnson at USM). It seems like our program should have been heading in the right direction and anyone could step in and keep the ball rolling (like Dykes did with Dooley's team). But in fact, our coach (and perhaps USM's Fedora) destroyed our program, left the program before having to deal with the rebuilding, and left that mess for the next guy to clean up. And Sonny skips town looking like a genius. Thanks man, appreciate that!

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    Re: How the new coaches are doing around the nation...

    TLost, please take a break from this subject for awhile.
    Good old Memorial Gym

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    Re: How the new coaches are doing around the nation...

    Quote Originally Posted by T1 View Post
    I agree. What's strange about our situation is that we lost a successful coach and the new coach can't match the old coach's performance (like Ellis Johnson at USM). It seems like our program should have been heading in the right direction and anyone could step in and keep the ball rolling (like Dykes did with Dooley's team). But in fact, our coach (and perhaps USM's Fedora) destroyed our program, left the program before having to deal with the rebuilding, and left that mess for the next guy to clean up. And Sonny skips town looking like a genius. Thanks man, appreciate that!
    I bet you believe 9/11 was an inside job too

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    Re: How the new coaches are doing around the nation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tech77 View Post
    TLost, please take a break from this subject for awhile.
    He can't.....

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    Re: How the new coaches are doing around the nation...

    Done. Let's talk about what's on the menu this weekend.

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    Re: How the new coaches are doing around the nation...

    Quote Originally Posted by T1 View Post
    Done. Let's talk about what's on the menu this weekend.
    Hopfully a win and decent weather!! TAG will have a bunch of eats, hoping like hell DrEvil comes by with the Margaritas!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: How the new coaches are doing around the nation...

    Quote Originally Posted by touchdown123 View Post
    I bet you believe 9/11 was an inside job too
    Who doesn't?

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    Re: How the new coaches are doing around the nation...

    Quote Originally Posted by T1 View Post
    Done. Let's talk about what's on the menu this weekend.
    Now that's about the only pleasant subject we can discuss right now when it comes to our football.
    Good old Memorial Gym

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    Re: How the new coaches are doing around the nation...

    In general teams replace a coach because of bad performance. I'd expect a first year coach to be taking over a struggling team most of the time. In our case, the coach was successful and was hired away. How many of those coaches listed came into that situation?

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