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    I did "roust-about" work in the oil patch starting @ $1.15/hr, 1962. It was increased later that summer to $1.25. Kept me in shape. Humbled me too. I do appreciate my La Tech degree and the blessings that came with/from it. The oli patch didn't "tip" either sportdawg.

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    He raised the minimum wage for workers under federal contract. That means about 16 people get that pay raise. More fluff with this than substance.
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    Actually I read or heard that it doesn't take effect until 2015 and most employees if not of government contractors already make more that his "minimum wage". They are governmant contractors!

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    It is still the government telling businesses what they must do not related to the service or product involved. Sort of extortion. If you want to do business with us, you must ___________. And the blank isn't "provide effective and appropriate service/product."

    Wonder if they can employ illegal aliens? Sorry, I don't mean to be ill-spirited - wonder of they can employ individuals that happen to be living in the USA before being granted citizenship even if the government didn't know they were here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houston Techsan View Post
    Actually I read or heard that it doesn't take effect until 2015 and most employees if not of government contractors already make more that his "minimum wage". They are governmant contractors!
    That is true......what Obama said was smoke and mirrors. It just sounds like he is forcing Congress to do something when he is actually doing nothing! Just about all the contract workers do work through a union..painters, roofers, electricians, plumbers, etc. They are paid the applicable union rate for the area where the work is performed. The union rate will be more than $10.10 per hour!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 70TECHGRAD View Post
    That is true......what Obama said was smoke and mirrors. It just sounds like he is forcing Congress to do something when he is actually doing nothing! Just about all the contract workers do work through a union..painters, roofers, electricians, plumbers, etc. They are paid the applicable union rate for the area where the work is performed. The union rate will be more than $10.10 per hour!!!
    It's the first step in forcing anyone that receives fed money to make their minimum pay line-up with federal pay.

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    How To Create A Social State By Saul Alinsky

    Saul David Alinsky (January 30, 1909 - June 12, 1972) was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of modern community organizing. He authored the book, “Rules for Radicals”.

    In his book, he details the eight 8 levels of control that must be obtained in order to create a social state.

    The first is the most important.

    1) Healthcare: Control healthcare and you control the people.

    2) Poverty: Increase the Poverty level as high as possible. Poor people are easier to control, and will not fight back as long as you are providing everything they require to live.

    3) Debt: Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. In this way, taxes must increase, and this will produce more poverty.

    4) Gun Control: Remove the ability for citizens to defend themselves from the Government. In that way you are able to create a police state.

    5) Welfare: Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

    6) Education: Take control of what children read and to what they are taught in school.

    7) Religion: Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

    8) Class Warfare: Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent, and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with the support of the poor.

    Does any of this sound familiar? Think about it!!!!!!

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    Yes, we have turned history on its tail-
    Rome burned while Nero "fiddled,"

    America is "smoked" while Joe American fiddles.

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    Re: If you want a thread to die

    Quote Originally Posted by OLDBLUE View Post
    Yes, we have turned history on its tail-
    Rome burned while Nero "fiddled,"

    America is "smoked" while Joe American fiddles.
    Amen!!! The next president will have a lot to undo!

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    Re: If you want a thread to die

    Quote Originally Posted by 70TECHGRAD View Post
    Amen!!! The next president will have a lot to undo!
    70 -- I've read Alinsky. I do not recall the items you listed above as being advocated, at least not explicitly, in Rules for Radicals.

    Was the post above based on your reading of the book?

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    Re: If you want a thread to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ967 View Post
    70 -- I've read Alinsky. I do not recall the items you listed above as being advocated, at least not explicitly, in Rules for Radicals.

    Was the post above based on your reading of the book?
    Just curious, what is your take on the book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDBLUE View Post
    Just curious, what is your take on the book?
    Alinsky was an unabashed leftist, but took exception to the violent revolutions called for by Marxism. Rules for Radicals suggests methods for bringing attention to socialist causes, but within a democratic system.

    That's the short, short version. But seizing guns and brainwashing kids aren't included.

    To be sure ... I haven't read the book in 15 years. But that's how I remember it. Coincidentally, I was going through some boxes just last month, and came across it. I briefly considered re-reading it, but then tossed it in the "donate" pile and took it to the thrift store.

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    I know, he uses all the right words, but he does not grasp the difference between the "freed" spirit and the free spirit. He attacks free enterprise, but paints it all with the greed of materialistic men, not the ethical caring successful. This seems to be a foreign thought to those of his ilk, that free men can accomplish great things and maintain high morals and Christian ethics.

    In this world, you have to determine what environment gives man the best opportunity. That was obviously the USA over the last 140 years. Imperfect, but by far the most promising. This, he desires to level and try to make the socialist state work when it never has.

    Review the list 70 posted and you see what the progressives have done with his negative approach when placed in the role of the "state's" power over the citizen.

    Emotion, fact, truth, reason????????

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    Re: If you want a thread to die

    Quote Originally Posted by OLDBLUE View Post
    This, he desires to level and try to make the socialist state work when it never has.
    I'd submit that a form a socialism has succeeded remarkably in the Scandinavian nations. All democracies, and nominally Protestant.

    That's not to say socialism > capitalism. But to say it's never worked anywhere is misleading.

    He attacks free enterprise, but paints it all with the greed of materialistic men, not the ethical caring successful.
    And there's the rub. Which do you believe is more representative of an unfettered free-market? The greedy and ambitious successful, or the ethical caring successful?

    I suspect each person's answer will be based largely on his or her own experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ967 View Post
    I'd submit that a form a socialism has succeeded remarkably in the Scandinavian nations. All democracies, and nominally Protestant.

    That's not to say socialism > capitalism. But to say it's never worked anywhere is misleading.

    And there's the rub. Which do you believe is more representative of an unfettered free-market? The greedy and ambitious successful, or the ethical caring successful?

    I suspect each person's answer will be based largely on his or her own experience.
    Your "grouping is quite telling. Try this: Unleashed socialism? Government making the decision as to your potential for succeeding based upon their (Oligarchy's) derived ethos? This is where we are headed.

    The Constitution of the USA sets checks in place, but it can not continue to work when the moral standards are of men and not based upon foundational truths, which Linsky poopoos as "out of touch" with today.

    Again he attacks free enterprise, but paints it all with the greed of materialistic men, not the ethical caring successful.
    Group the types of rule, both stink "unfettered." Group the source of ethics man's stink, divine standards at the foundation of the USA will stand.

    You can also do better at grouping greedy -vs- successful, ambitious is not the sole associate of greed!

    BTW, yes I am answering this based upon my experience. I'm blessed to have the opportunities this great land has given me. I also understand the "hell" some I deal with go through because our government has taken them down the trail of "rely on me" I'll give you (just enough to exist) what you need, but you have to jump a gigantic mountain to get out of the rut. On the other side is someone close to me who is trying with all he has to get out of that slavish rut and his biggest deterrant is our "caring" federal government who insists on their way.

    Thanks but no thanks I want America back!!! Too many young men and now women have given their lives for our liberties. No stinking "I know better than you" government has the right to tramle on our liberties these have died for!

    I'm done now OLDBLUE out!

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