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    Cuts to state higher ed funding

    I saw this chart earlier today...

    This represents change over the last 5 years...




    With a 40.3% reduction in state funding over the last 5 years (3rd most nationwide), it's evident Jindal has not been very friendly to higher ed in Louisiana...
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    Re: Cuts to state higher ed funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06 View Post
    I saw this chart earlier today...

    This represents change over the last 5 years...




    With a 40.3% reduction in state funding over the last 5 years, it's evident Jindal has not been very friendly to higher ed in Louisiana...
    Now on to the lower level education institutions. Louisiana, with it's ridiculous number of colleges and universities, and our country as a whole have been throwing crazy $$ at education (liberal I might add) for decades with terrible results nationwide. The lazy dumbing down of American students, "you can't fire teachers for bad performance" syndrome and teachers unions have stifled true valued learning. Find the best places to spend it (like TECH and excellent performing 1st-12th grade educational institutions) and move on and cut other wasteful overspent programs.

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    3rd? Only 3rd? Bobby still has time to get us to #1, baby!

    And Tyler, while I agree there are some bad teachers, for the most part, they ain't the problem. Too much bureaucracy! Shouldn't be anything in DC, other than MAYBE a small department to monitor progress nationally, and to be a clearinghouse of information, a place where states can share best practices, etc.. And in state capitals, BR, again, no more than a monitoring function to assure all school districts are at least meeting minimal standards.

    Then, after that, the BIGGEST problem by far are stupid school boards. I've known of elected school board members who did not even hold a high school diploma.

    As for higher ed, we've had this discussion and you know my opinion, put MBAs in charge.

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    Re: Cuts to state higher ed funding

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    3rd? Only 3rd? Bobby still has time to get us to #1, baby!

    And Tyler, while I agree there are some bad teachers, for the most part, they ain't the problem. Too much bureaucracy! Shouldn't be anything in DC, other than MAYBE a small department to monitor progress nationally, and to be a clearinghouse of information, a place where states can share best practices, etc.. And in state capitals, BR, again, no more than a monitoring function to assure all school districts are at least meeting minimal standards.
    I think that was the original purpose of the U.S. Department of Education...to facilitate information sharing among the states.
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    Re: Cuts to state higher ed funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06 View Post
    I saw this chart earlier today...

    This represents change over the last 5 years...




    With a 40.3% reduction in state funding over the last 5 years (3rd most nationwide), it's evident Jindal has not been very friendly to higher ed in Louisiana...
    Please find the amount spent on higher education per student by state before and after cuts, could it be that Louisiana was bloated and overspent and is now coming in line with national levels? Can't tell from this graph alone...





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    Re: Cuts to state higher ed funding

    Quote Originally Posted by GermDawg View Post
    Please find the amount spent on higher education per student by state before and after cuts, could it be that Louisiana was bloated and overspent and is now coming in line with national levels? Can't tell from this graph alone...
    See Page 27.

    http://www.sheeo.org/sites/default/f...3_04172014.pdf

    It looks like we've gone from above the national average to below the national average.

    Louisiana's expenditures per FTE were $9,239 in 2008. The national average was $7,924.
    Louisiana's expenditures per FTE were $5,515 in 2013. The national average was $6,105.

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    Re: Cuts to state higher ed funding

    Quote Originally Posted by GermDawg View Post
    Please find the amount spent on higher education per student by state before and after cuts, could it be that Louisiana was bloated and overspent and is now coming in line with national levels? Can't tell from this graph alone...
    Here's the table.


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    Re: Cuts to state higher ed funding

    Quote Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS View Post
    move on and cut other wasteful overspent programs.
    Like Middle Eastern wars?

    Or welfare for banks?

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    Re: Cuts to state higher ed funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ967 View Post
    Like Middle Eastern wars?

    Or welfare for banks?
    Just wait until we bail out hospitals, health insurance companies, and Detroit...again.

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    Re: Cuts to state higher ed funding

    Quote Originally Posted by TechAlum05 View Post
    I think that was the original purpose of the U.S. Department of Education...to facilitate information sharing among the states.
    And the original intention of Social Security was to be a small, supplemental portion of your retirement and that's it. So much for "original" purposes of gov-mint programs, eh.

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    Re: Cuts to state higher ed funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ967 View Post
    Like Middle Eastern wars?

    Or welfare for banks?
    Not even a good place to start, even though, yes, these two should be on the "hit list."

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    Re: Cuts to state higher ed funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06 View Post
    Here's the table.

    So do you think Louisiana's +16.5% over the average was a good investment? Look at La. universities performance compared to other states and tell me we are/were investing it correctly... Now the nation as a whole has taken a 23% cut, with Louisiana being above that to get us down closer to national average (-9.6%), we definitely needed to go on a diet to reduce the fat, and really all that's happened is the weak (ULM, Grambling, LSUxes) are getting more inconsequential and I think will eventually fade away and their resources consolidated to help the stronger institutions survive.





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    Re: Cuts to state higher ed funding

    Quote Originally Posted by dawg80 View Post
    And the original intention of Social Security was to be a small, supplemental portion of your retirement and that's it. So much for "original" purposes of gov-mint programs, eh.
    All those dang free-loader senior citizens!!! Get a job hippies!!!

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    Re: Cuts to state higher ed funding

    Quote Originally Posted by GermDawg View Post
    So do you think Louisiana's +16.5% over the average was a good investment? Look at La. universities performance compared to other states and tell me we are/were investing it correctly... Now the nation as a whole has taken a 23% cut, with Louisiana being above that to get us down closer to national average (-9.6%), we definitely needed to go on a diet to reduce the fat, and really all that's happened is the weak (ULM, Grambling, LSUxes) are getting more inconsequential and I think will eventually fade away and their resources consolidated to help the stronger institutions survive.
    A good investment compared to what?

    I do think education (primary and higher) is one of the best investments Louisiana can make. Investing in education is investing in our future. At the current funding levels, our universities cannot compete with institutions in other states.

    But like I've posted many times, Louisiana has too many universities per capita. As a result, our FTEs are tiny compared to other states. Several colleges should be reduced in scope and mission, and some institutions should be shuttered. I believe in consolidation of primary and higher education in Louisiana. I also believe that technology is changing and will significantly change the way education is delivered in primary and higher ed into the future. How quickly will those changes occur? I don't know. Maybe quicker than we think. Eventually, I believe institutions that do not have a strong traditional undergraduate body, a graduate school with a backbone of American students, and major research initiatives will struggle to survive. The only question is if and when the state will cut bait. It will be a political nightmare if and when they cut bait. If they don't, our schools may be starved to death, and it's survival of the fittest.

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    Re: Cuts to state higher ed funding

    Louisiana educates Texas's workforce.

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