Marriage

[dawg80]

Part of the problem is Mexicans are supplying cheap labor, and they do work hard. This is true everywhere, and has been true for a long time. When I worked for IP the tree-planting contractors would use illegal Mexican workers. Back then we weren't allowed to question the contractor, as that interfered in the strict contractual relationship we had. Today, contractors can be made to show proof that their workers have work visas. But, getting such visas is apparently easy and inexpensive. Now, all roofers/carpenters/lawn-care workers are Mexicans. Here in Natchitoches, the local contractors housed Mexicans in a dorm-like facility. Don't know if the building I knew of is still used that way, or not.

And why not? You can't get lazy-azz "Americans" to work like that. Not when the democraps have expanded welfare encouraging laziness. That is why neither the 'craps nor the RINOs will do anything to curtail it. Too much money at stake....

[PawDawg]

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[70TECHGRAD]

Part of the problem is Mexicans are supplying cheap labor, and they do work hard. This is true everywhere, and has been true for a long time. When I worked for IP the tree-planting contractors would use illegal Mexican workers. Back then we weren't allowed to question the contractor, as that interfered in the strict contractual relationship we had. Today, contractors can be made to show proof that their workers have work visas. But, getting such visas is apparently easy and inexpensive. Now, all roofers/carpenters/lawn-care workers are Mexicans. Here in Natchitoches, the local contractors housed Mexicans in a dorm-like facility. Don't know if the building I knew of is still used that way, or not.

And why not? You can't get lazy-azz "Americans" to work like that. Not when the democraps have expanded welfare encouraging laziness. That is why neither the 'craps nor the RINOs will do anything to curtail it. Too much money at stake....

Truth!!!!

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Part of the problem is Mexicans are supplying cheap labor, and they do work hard. This is true everywhere, and has been true for a long time. When I worked for IP the tree-planting contractors would use illegal Mexican workers. Back then we weren't allowed to question the contractor, as that interfered in the strict contractual relationship we had. Today, contractors can be made to show proof that their workers have work visas. But, getting such visas is apparently easy and inexpensive. Now, all roofers/carpenters/lawn-care workers are Mexicans. Here in Natchitoches, the local contractors housed Mexicans in a dorm-like facility. Don't know if the building I knew of is still used that way, or not.

And why not? You can't get lazy-azz "Americans" to work like that. Not when the democraps have expanded welfare encouraging laziness. That is why neither the 'craps nor the RINOs will do anything to curtail it. Too much money at stake....

True. Of course most of these lazy Americans can even barely read or tell you what month it currently is much-less get out of bed to work. They will get up to walk to the mailbox to get their Uncle Sam handout. That's their definition of work for the week.

[KSDAWG]

Part of the problem is Mexicans are supplying cheap labor, and they do work hard. This is true everywhere, and has been true for a long time. When I worked for IP the tree-planting contractors would use illegal Mexican workers. Back then we weren't allowed to question the contractor, as that interfered in the strict contractual relationship we had. Today, contractors can be made to show proof that their workers have work visas. But, getting such visas is apparently easy and inexpensive. Now, all roofers/carpenters/lawn-care workers are Mexicans. Here in Natchitoches, the local contractors housed Mexicans in a dorm-like facility. Don't know if the building I knew of is still used that way, or not.

And why not? You can't get lazy-azz "Americans" to work like that. Not when the democraps have expanded welfare encouraging laziness. That is why neither the 'craps nor the RINOs will do anything to curtail it. Too much money at stake....

This is the outright truth and one of the biggest problems we faces. How can you expect unemployed Americans to go out and sweat to make a living for their families, when its so much easier to take government assistance. Most Americans on the lower end of the financial spectrum are unwilling to manual labor. Contractors can't afford to pay $15 an hour like the Liberals want so its no win situation that all industrialized nations face. The reason so much "STUFF" is manufactured in foreign countries like China, Mexico, Hong Kong, or India is that labor cost is non existent. Heck China has so much labor power that it loans it out to African nations to build infra structure in exchange for cheap oil.

[mikedog]

The concept of marriage isn't unique to Judaism or Christianity (e.g., see the Persian Empire). However, what was constant across all societies was the understanding that "marriage" was between a man and a woman. This understanding of marriage has existed for centuries, despite a small segment of the population being homosexuals then as they are today. Even the Romans viewed marriage as being a union between a male and female, despite homosexual conduct being quite common. Despite the word "marriage" having a well-understood meaning for centuries, only recently have Western societies started to re-define this term to include homosexual relationships under the guise of "human rights."

Make no mistake--this re-definition isn't really about securing equal rights under state and federal laws affecting married couples (e.g., successions, medical decisions, Social Security, taxation, etc). If it was, then the gay community would have gained popular support for civil union laws years ago. This was one of the points Elton John made following California's Prop 8 amendment. The militant wing of the gay rights movement has sought to re-define marriage so that the "human right" argument could be used as a sword against those who believe in traditional marriage.

Although many Christian churches have taken a more permissive view on homosexual marriage (and homosexual behavior) over the years, I trust that these liberal Christians will stand and defend their more conservative brothers and sisters in Christ who continue to belief that the Bible deems homosexual acts to be sinful. Christians of all denominations should present a united front against any government coercion of religious beliefs.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

~Protestant German pastor Martin Niemöller

[champion110]

The concept of marriage isn't unique to Judaism or Christianity (e.g., see the Persian Empire). However, what was constant across all societies was the understanding that "marriage" was between a man and a woman. This understanding of marriage has existed for centuries, despite a small segment of the population being homosexuals then as they are today. Even the Romans viewed marriage as being a union between a male and female, despite homosexual conduct being quite common. Despite the word "marriage" having a well-understood meaning for centuries, only recently have Western societies started to re-define this term to include homosexual relationships under the guise of "human rights."

Make no mistake--this re-definition isn't really about securing equal rights under state and federal laws affecting married couples (e.g., successions, medical decisions, Social Security, taxation, etc). If it was, then the gay community would have gained popular support for civil union laws years ago. This was one of the points Elton John made following California's Prop 8 amendment. The militant wing of the gay rights movement has sought to re-define marriage so that the "human right" argument could be used as a sword against those who believe in traditional marriage.

Although many Christian churches have taken a more permissive view on homosexual marriage (and homosexual behavior) over the years, I trust that these liberal Christians will stand and defend their more conservative brothers and sisters in Christ who continue to belief that the Bible deems homosexual acts to be sinful. Christians of all denominations should present a united front against any government coercion of religious beliefs.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

~Protestant German pastor Martin Niemöller

You are right about marriage being around for a very long time. Don't leave out that marriage historically has not been about love, though. It was an arrangement. We have changed marriage a lot over the course of centuries.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Just in case you missed this in all of the above Champ, as you used to state that homosexuality wasn't addressed in the New Testament.

Well, I don't make the laws. Keep this post: I believe every Church and every denomination should make this choice for themselves and it should not be forced upon them. If my party or my candidate believes otherwise, it will not influence my belief about this.

I WILL state that in 30 years, most all Churches and denominations will change on their own free will, though. I will support that change. This will fall in line with most all civil rights movements in our history.

Yes the liberal churches will support this as it is just a small part of the great "apostasy" and the "falling away" of the church predicted in the Bible IMHO. Prophecy in the New Testament in the making right here on the front page of America's news.

God's Wrath against Sin Romans 6:25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.… God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity Roman Chapter 1 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

[champion110]

Just in case you missed this in all of the above Champ, as you used to state that homosexuality wasn't addressed in the New Testament.

Yes the liberal churches will support this as it is just a small part of the great "apostasy" and the "falling away" of the church predicted in the Bible IMHO. Prophecy in the New Testament in the making right here on the front page of America's news.

God's Wrath against Sin Romans 6:25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.… God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity Roman Chapter 1 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Read on down and make sure you get it all in context.

Look, we are never going to agree on this. We both know that. I can just state that I am happy that all person's in the U.S. can marry the person that they are in love with. Some Churches agree with that and some do not. No one Church or denomination should be able to impose their will on another.

Religious rights are for all religions and their beliefs. Yes, I know I am a member of the Christian left and you are with the Christian right. We still know and care for each other, even though our beliefs are different. We both know that we can pull up different verses in our very interpreted Bible from Latin to English and other versions, as well.

As long as I respect your belief to not have to go to a Gay wedding and your Church not having to perform them and you respect that my Church does, I think we are on solid ground with each other.

I will take my chances on that going before God when I die.

[Tech77]

I keep hearing people say Jesus never addressed the issue. But when he was asked about divorce, he said this, beginning with Mark 10:6:

"“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’^{[a] 7} ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,^{[b] 8} and the two will become one flesh.’^[c] So they are no longer two, but one flesh. ⁹ Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

[TYLERTECHSAS]

As long as I respect your belief to not have to go to a Gay wedding and your Church not having to perform them and you respect that my Church does, I think we are on solid ground with each other.

I will take my chances on that going before God when I die.

True as I will always be on solid ground with you as we are friends. But the true liberal left (which is primarily anti-God/anti-Christian/anti-Jew I remind you) will never be satisfied with this alone and will in fact end up persecuting Christians and the church for our stance.
It will either be direct persecution (already increasing all over the world), by non-exempt tax status from now on (already hear this wind blowing) , lack of TV and radio outlets (already hear this talk), pastors preaching being combed through by the government (already hear the winds of this), by no more tax exemption for church related charitable contributions (already hear the winds of this) or what have you. Christians already pay for abortions by way of our taxes and this is persecution. The overall theme of where the left is heading is an evil, anti-biblical one in all form except that it is prophesied for the end days in the scriptures.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

I keep hearing people say Jesus never addressed the issue. But when he was asked about divorce, he said this, beginning with Mark 10:6:

"“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’^{[a] 7} ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,^{[b] 8} and the two will become one flesh.’^[c] So they are no longer two, but one flesh. ⁹ Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

100% Joey.

[Woof!]

True as I will always be on solid ground with you as we are friends. But the true liberal left (which is primarily anti-God/anti-Christian/anti-Jew I remind you) will never be satisfied with this alone and will in fact end up persecuting Christians and the church for our stance.
It will either be direct persecution (already increasing all over the world), by non-exempt tax status from now on (already hear this wind blowing) , lack of TV and radio outlets (already hear this talk), pastors preaching being combed through by the government (already hear the winds of this), by no more tax exemption for church related charitable contributions (already hear the winds of this) or what have you. Christians already pay for abortions by way of our taxes and this is persecution. The overall theme of where the left is heading is an evil, anti-biblical one in all form except that it is prophesied for the end days in the scriptures.

Still playing the persecuted Christian card, huh?

[johnnylightnin]

I keep hearing people say Jesus never addressed the issue. But when he was asked about divorce, he said this, beginning with Mark 10:6:

"“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’^{[a] 7} ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,^{[b] 8} and the two will become one flesh.’^[c] So they are no longer two, but one flesh. ⁹ Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

[johnnylightnin]

Still playing the persecuted Christian card, huh?

Tyler may not be persecuted, but does $135K fine and a gag order sound like persecution to you?