Was the one Super Bowl worth the irrelevance that the Saints are about to become?
1 player = 30,000,000 hit to the salary cap.
I don't think any player in the NFL today is worth that hit.
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Was the one Super Bowl worth the irrelevance that the Saints are about to become?
1 player = 30,000,000 hit to the salary cap.
I don't think any player in the NFL today is worth that hit.
Of course not. What means more to him? His relationship with the union or the team?Originally Posted by revf
Drew Greed. He would sue his own mother...oh! That's right he did.
Well I guess he at least didn't hit his mother like Dez Bryant did his two years ago.
That said, last week Brees and the Saints just guaranteed a portion of his salary ($10.85MM of $20MM) so that will probably lead to freeing up a bunch with continued negotiations.
Also, "Peyton Manning had an excellent year at 37, a pretty good year at 38, then the wheels came off at 39 (this year).
When Drew Brees is 38 - Fall 2017 - according to Overthecap, the Saints would have zero dead money and be at or near the top 10 in cap room."
For me, yes.
I'd say yes - worth every penny. You pay players to win and he did/has. That Super Bowl was huge for the organization and fans.
Besides, they are about to extend his contract and reduce the $30M cap hit.
You pay players to win? Well, coming off back to back 7-9 seasons Drew Greed needs to take a pay cut then. He lost! He is the reason the Saints are in this mess. His huge salary has caused the Saints to lose dozens of players who did contribute to winnings seasons. They are gone...Greed is still here....and we have lost. Slash that salary by 70% and let's start rebuilding a winning team again.
I'm not sure this is an accurate statement.
Not totally accurate. The Saints have also spent big money on some free-agent misses. Junior Galette's dead money after his explosion. Jairus Byrd has turned out to be an atrocious signing. Brandon Browner and C.J. Spiller were two dud moves from last offseason. I do believe Brees' cap hit has hindered the team and it needs to be brought back to a more manageable number, but he's not the sole reason the Saints have underperformed the past several seasons. Mickey Loomis deserves a great deal of the blame for his personnel moves.
the bold, the beautiful, theprofessor
I agree FWIW.
However..
Exclusive: Saints GM pledges to give Brees extension, free up cap space
By Alex MarvezFeb 16, 2016 at 11:53p ET
Mickey Loomis says club wants 37-year-old QB 'this year, next year and the foreseeable future'
New Orleans Saints fans can rest easy — Drew Brees isn’t going anywhere for at least the next two seasons, and probably longer.
So says Saints general manager Mickey Loomis, who plans to get Brees signed to a new deal as his star quarterback prepares to enter the final year of a five-year, $100 million contract signed in 2012.
An extension of Brees’ current deal would give the Saints salary-cap relief. Brees has a cap number of $30 million for the 2016 season, which will account for almost 20 percent of the team’s overall space. The cap number for each team, which is still being formulated by the NFL and its players union, is projected between $152 million and $155 million.
Loomis, though, told co-host Bill Polian and me Tuesday night on SiriusXM NFL Radio that "it’s not mandatory we do something with Drew" before the free-agent signing period begins next month, even though New Orleans is perilously close to the cap limit. Loomis said the bigger impetus for striking a deal is tethering Brees to the franchise beyond this season.
"We want Drew to be our quarterback this year, next year and the foreseeable future," Loomis said. "I know he feels like he’s got more years left in him. I would say we feel that way as well.
"We’ll get that worked out in a way that helps our team and obviously fits in with what he wants to do."
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hat being said, an agreement isn’t imminent. Loomis said that while he has expressed his desires to Brees, negotiations haven’t begun yet with agent Tom Condon.
Although he turned 37 in January, Brees showed no signs of slowing down in 2015. He missed one game after injuring his right (throwing) shoulder — which caused an initial scare because it was surgically repaired a decade earlier — but returned to complete 68.3 percent of his passes for a league-high 4,870 yards with 32 touchdowns and only 11 interceptions.
Since signing with New Orleans as a free agent in 2006, Brees has passed for at least 4,350 yards and 26 touchdowns in each season. He also led the 2009 Saints to the franchise’s only Super Bowl title.
The Saints guaranteed $10.85 million of Brees’ $20 million salary last week as part of a clause in his contract.
New Orleans has finished 7-9 and failed to make the playoffs each of the past two seasons primarily because of defensive deficiencies. While describing that unit as a "work in progress," Loomis hopes victories in three of the final four games last season are an indication the Saints are back on the upswing.
"We’re pretty excited about some of the younger players that we’ve acquired over the last couple years," Loomis said. "I believe we’ve played more first-year and rookie players than anyone else in the league this past year in terms of number of plays. The bulk of that is on defense.
"We’ve got some work to do. We’ve got to improve our pass rush and front seven. That will be one of the goals we have in this offseason —- to get some help up front so we can climb defensively and help out our offense."
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/n...p-space-021616
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Tru Dat on Junior, Jairus, et al.... all busts! But, this thread was about Brees.
Yes, dozens! There were, in 2015, only 4....I think it was 4....players still on the team that also played in 2009, the Super Bowl year. Greed, Colston, and a couple of others. The fact a roster is 53 players for any year, and even that can fluctuate due to injuries, the total of different players could be 60 or more. Now, subtract out "the 4" and you get 56. And 56 X 6 seasons = 336 players. Now, of course, most of that number held for several seasons, i.e. a player came in 2011 and was on the Saints' roster thru the 2014 season, for instance. So there weren't 336 different individuals, of course. But there were enough changes for me to be able to say "dozens."
I'll say it again: dozens and dozens and dozens!!!!
Well, you might say, well Hell! why didn't some of them just agree to keep playing at a lesser salary then? Why did some leave on their own volition and test the free agency waters? Because they saw the example set by Drew Greed, who is hailed as the team leader, and when the Saints refused to agree to those higher salary demands, citing they had to appease Mr. Greed instead, players left. BUT!!! some players wanted to stay even at their current salaries but there was no room for them in the cap because Greed had to get a $gazillion raise! Like Jay Dardenne got!
These are indisputable facts.
Now, by contrast, Tom Brady, who has been WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more successful than Greed in winning championships, has turned back $millions to the Pats so they could sign, and re-sign key players. That is why Brady is a winner every year...and Drew Greed is a loser, who just gets richer.
Can't even discuss the salary cap implications of his star QB's contract without bringing up the Cowboys. Obsessed.
Saints currently 8.37mil under cap
Andrew Schuster @TheSaintsDish 14m14 minutes ago Assuming the NFL salary cap is $155M, with Ellerbe & Jordan restructures, #Saints should now be approximately $8.37M under the cap for 2016.
This is without an extension to Brees and with contracts like Colston, Browner, Streif, Byrd still unsure as what will happen with them.
GM Loomis "we're freeing up money and figuring out exactly how to make this work the best for all of us."
Not going to look it up, but I seem to remember back when Brees first came, he proved he was capable of being the star QB the Saints were hoping for. He and the Saints came up with a contract where Drew took less money so they could build the team up and he lived with that contract while the Saints benefited from his discounted services. When his contract was up for renewal, the Saints stepped up and payed him.
Yes it's hurting now but, if I'm remembering things correctly, it seems like Drew made a pretty good sacrifice a few years ago. It wasn't his fault the Saints were robbed by Goodell and the NFL of a year or two of what could have been championship years when he was still under the discounted contract.
But maybe I'm not remembering the situation correctly.
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