Baylor Fires Art Briles

[Dwayne From Minden]

HCSH may be getting a phone call from BU. Seriously, who will or should they target? I bet they go after Houston's head coach.

Nobody's going after Skip...

[sportdawg]

Speaking of scheduling P5 teams to visit us, we should schedule Baylor ASAP, they will be beatable very soon (like Arkansas in 2012)!

we got them in 2020, 2021 (Home) & 2022.

[dawg80]

Death penalty for Baylor football. In fact, throw in WBB too.

Have you seen some of the reports? It's worse than imagined. Violet attacks, sexual assaults!?? Not just "Oh come, baby, you can't say no to a football player. Don't you know we matter, and you don't!" Nope, not just "forceful" behavior in a coercion way, oh no, we are talking about physical, over-powering assaults!

Who knew about all of this, and when did they know it? The Univ Prez and now the head football coach have been canned, but this points to institutional failure of the worst kind....of the Penn State kind. Now, maybe in Baylor's case, all the victims were 18 years old, or older, not just young kids, but still....

This ain't good.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Nobody's going after Skip...

I hope you are right! He is headed toward building something great at Tech.

[Soonerdawg]

I don't watch television at all and only read one article about it. It appears to be allegations only in the article I read. Has anything been proven?

[TYLERTECHSAS]

I don't watch television at all and only read one article about it. It appears to be allegations only in the article I read. Has anything been proven?

Even to be fired and demoted for I guess. You mean like Slick Clinton and the famous blue dress?

[Soonerdawg]

Even to be fired and demoted for I guess. You mean like Slick Clinton and the famous blue dress?

I guess what I'm asking is if this is another trial by ESPN.

I'm not sure I see the Bill Clinton connection.

[sportdawg]

I'm not sure I see the Bill Clinton connection.

Kenneth Winston "Ken" Starr (born July 21, 1946) is an American lawyer who has also been a federal judge and U.S. Solicitor General. Starr is Chancellor of Baylor University. He carried out a controversial investigation of members of the Clinton administration.

[Soonerdawg]

Kenneth Winston "Ken" Starr (born July 21, 1946) is an American lawyer who has also been a federal judge and U.S. Solicitor General. Starr is Chancellor of Baylor University. He carried out a controversial investigation of members of the Clinton administration.

I remember that well. A few weeks ago I had read an article about him. I at least get the joke now.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

I guess what I'm asking is if this is another trial by ESPN.

I'm not sure I see the Bill Clinton connection.

Seriously? You are a lawyer right?

[StrayDawg]

Death penalty for Baylor football. In fact, throw in WBB too.

Have you seen some of the reports? It's worse than imagined. Violet attacks, sexual assaults!?? Not just "Oh come, baby, you can't say no to a football player. Don't you know we matter, and you don't!" Nope, not just "forceful" behavior in a coercion way, oh no, we are talking about physical, over-powering assaults!

Who knew about all of this, and when did they know it? The Univ Prez and now the head football coach have been canned, but this points to institutional failure of the worst kind....of the Penn State kind. Now, maybe in Baylor's case, all the victims were 18 years old, or older, not just young kids, but still....

This ain't good.

The Penn St. comparison is interesting, because I'm waiting to see what the NCAA does to Baylor. What Sandusky did was "off the field," and so is this, but both are serious problems. In the Penn State case a lot of people were upset because the current (at that time) players were punished for the sins of a former assistant coach. I didn't have a huge problem with that because anything the NCAA did would have punished the current guys. There is no way to go back and punish someone for something that happened in the 70s. In the Baylor case, the current players and coaches are the ones guilty of the conduct, and they deserve severe punishment. Lack of Institutional Control seems to be an accurate description of this situation. If the NCAA goes light on Baylor, it proves that the bias that we have always suspected. On the other hand, if they go light on Baylor, Penn State has the right to raise hell.

Sooner, I am aware of at least one occasion where a female student complained to the university and they did nothing. She filed a police report and the player was later found guilty, and is serving a prison sentence. The school still did nothing, and she is currently suing Baylor. Lots of dirty hands in this deal.

[Soonerdawg]

The Penn St. comparison is interesting, because I'm waiting to see what the NCAA does to Baylor. What Sandusky did was "off the field," and so is this, but both are serious problems. In the Penn State case a lot of people were upset because the current (at that time) players were punished for the sins of a former assistant coach. I didn't have a huge problem with that because anything the NCAA did would have punished the current guys. There is no way to go back and punish someone for something that happened in the 70s. In the Baylor case, the current players and coaches are the ones guilty of the conduct, and they deserve severe punishment. Lack of Institutional Control seems to be an accurate description of this situation. If the NCAA goes light on Baylor, it proves that the bias that we have always suspected. On the other hand, if they go light on Baylor, Penn State has the right to raise hell.

Sooner, I am aware of at least one occasion where a female student complained to the university and they did nothing. She filed a police report and the player was later found guilty, and is serving a prison sentence. The school still did nothing, and she is currently suing Baylor. Lots of dirty hands in this deal.

I'm glad they got a conviction and he is serving time. Rape is horrible to even think about. I couldn't imagine having to endure it.

With that said, I really am totally uninformed, so don't read anything into this question other than wanting to know what the fuss is about. How was it Baylor's fault that a girl got raped.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

The Penn St. comparison is interesting, because I'm waiting to see what the NCAA does to Baylor. What Sandusky did was "off the field," and so is this, but both are serious problems. In the Penn State case a lot of people were upset because the current (at that time) players were punished for the sins of a former assistant coach. I didn't have a huge problem with that because anything the NCAA did would have punished the current guys. There is no way to go back and punish someone for something that happened in the 70s. In the Baylor case, the current players and coaches are the ones guilty of the conduct, and they deserve severe punishment. Lack of Institutional Control seems to be an accurate description of this situation. If the NCAA goes light on Baylor, it proves that the bias that we have always suspected. On the other hand, if they go light on Baylor, Penn State has the right to raise hell.

Sooner, I am aware of at least one occasion where a female student complained to the university and they did nothing. She filed a police report and the player was later found guilty, and is serving a prison sentence. The school still did nothing, and she is currently suing Baylor. Lots of dirty hands in this deal.

I thought he was actually caught by coaches in the showers and gym at Penn St. No?

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Baylor probably deserves at least the same as what Penn St received. We shall see.

[JuBru]

I'm glad they got a conviction and he is serving time. Rape is horrible to even think about. I couldn't imagine having to endure it.

With that said, I really am totally uninformed, so don't read anything into this question other than wanting to know what the fuss is about. How was it Baylor's fault that a girl got raped.

Baylor isn't being blamed for the sexual assault, per se. They had an environment that allowed it to happen. What I mean by this is Baylor gave athletes (and others) the impression that it was okay for the athletes (and others) to have their way and there would be negligible (if any) consequences. Afterall, Baylor found Ukwuachu* (a player) innocent of sexual assault and ignored a similar case from when he was kicked off and out from Boise State. Another player, Elliot*, was also found innocent by Baylor of assaulting up to five women but found guilty by the courts.


Basically, Baylor is getting hammered for the active cover up, neglect, and overall incompetence. Baylor vaguely (as in no details given) admitted that they did everything wrong.



*Doesn't add anything toknow this but Ukwuachu never played a down for Baylor, and Elliot played in 25 games over two season.