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    T formation

    I don't see why we don't run The T formation more, especially on short yardage plays. It seems to always work on the goal line. I also liked Cam's wild cat (wild dog?). They may be effective because we don't use them too much.

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    Re: T formation

    Quote Originally Posted by Houston Techsan View Post
    I don't see why we don't run The T formation more, especially on short yardage plays. It seems to always work on the goal line. I also liked Cam's wild cat (wild dog?). They may be effective because we don't use them too much.
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    Re: T formation

    Yes, they did. On the goal line as almost always. They should have used on that 4th down try.

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    Re: T formation

    Kam McKnight needs the rock. He's a heck of a player.

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    Re: T formation

    Should do that with 4 and 1, 2, or 3.

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    Re: T formation

    Quote Originally Posted by Tech52 View Post
    Should do that with 4 and 1, 2, or 3.
    It seems like I remember us using this formation last year in this situation.

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    Re: T formation

    Having Kam in the backfield gives us a lot more options than just running it. I have a feeling we'll see that before the season is over.

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    Re: T formation

    Holtz has used this formation, at times, his whole career. And this is at least the 3rd year we've used it here at Tech. Might have used it back in '13 too but I don't remember any specific instances.

    I love it! It's what we ran back in jr high in the very early '70's. Ours was a little more sophisticated though. But it was our main attack, so we had to mix it up some. For instance, the cross-buck series. The QB turns, his back to the LOS, and the two Halfbacks, the guys on the outside of the "T" criss-cross behind the QB. The defense, we hoped, might not see who actually got the ball. But mostly, it was the line blocking that makes an offense like that go. A defense can stack the box and "blow up" the whole thing unless you have great OL play. We used a lot of trap-blocking to discourage the DL from just bull-rushing into the backfield. If they did, they usually TOOK THEMSELVES out of the play.

    Anyway...please excuse the trip down memory lane...in today's big time CFB athletes are so fast/athletic that offenses like that can be easily diagnosed and a scheme (8 in the box) developed. But, even we threw the ball. One year I played TE and had 20 catches, 3 for TDs! That in a 10-game season. (8 regular season and 2 playoff games). Almost every one of those were short, dump-off passes, like a screen pass, over the on-rushing defense. That kept the defense honest!

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    Re: T formation

    Statistically, we should have never thrown a pass and we should have never punted and we would have won the game.

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    Re: T formation

    Quote Originally Posted by ChipDog View Post
    Statistically, we should have never thrown a pass and we should have never punted and we would have won the game.

    let you decide after readin these stats

    rushing-- 36 times for 261 yards 7.3 per carry
    passing 32 passes for 311 yards 9.5 per attempt
    572 total yards
    3 punts
    1-2 on 4th down ( 50%

    Those stats favor no running--just pass
    Never throw?? so we sit Trent and Carlos on bench ( 3 tds)
    Most of us remember the Dykes day when we were pass happy -- scored a ton of points but same d you saw this weekend
    Nothing wrong with offensive plan except execution ( couple bad throws and dropped passes -- Trent dropped one but if he had caught it we lose 3 yards)

    We lost because our defense did not show up. Arizona had 2 picks-- held them to 72 yards rushing and punted 4 times
    If you were being silly--I apologize for taking your post seriously instead of joke

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    Re: T formation

    Looking at the offensive stats, we did quite well! Only 3 punts, no interceptions! When playing a good opponent, a team can't be 100%. We lost because our defense could not make Texas Tech punt 3 times! If we could have made them punt three times, they would have scored 21 less points! I know, I know one can't extrapolate and get us a win but just think what could have been if we could only have made them punt some at least! That said, TT was almost 100% on offense; so, we got beat.

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    Re: T formation

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogsince65 View Post
    let you decide after readin these stats

    rushing-- 36 times for 261 yards 7.3 per carry
    passing 32 passes for 311 yards 9.5 per attempt
    572 total yards
    3 punts
    1-2 on 4th down ( 50%

    Those stats favor no running--just pass
    Never throw?? so we sit Trent and Carlos on bench ( 3 tds)
    Most of us remember the Dykes day when we were pass happy -- scored a ton of points but same d you saw this weekend
    Nothing wrong with offensive plan except execution ( couple bad throws and dropped passes -- Trent dropped one but if he had caught it we lose 3 yards)

    We lost because our defense did not show up. Arizona had 2 picks-- held them to 72 yards rushing and punted 4 times
    If you were being silly--I apologize for taking your post seriously instead of joke
    What I like to do sometimes - just because it's fun (and getting beat was not) - is the football equivalent of taking the game out of context. Go through the play-by-play and see if we had what it would have taken to win, but either not enough of it or at different times. So I'm serious in that I actually often do that when we don't win, and I do realize that it may seem silly to some others.

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    Re: T formation

    Quote Originally Posted by ChipDog View Post
    What I like to do sometimes - just because it's fun (and getting beat was not) - is the football equivalent of taking the game out of context. Go through the play-by-play and see if we had what it would have taken to win, but either not enough of it or at different times. So I'm serious in that I actually often do that when we don't win, and I do realize that it may seem silly to some others.
    we call it venting-- folks who know me expect me to be grouchy old man often-- something about your post came thru as being "brainstorming" and not really an opinion just having fun with an idea. I think I get it....

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    Re: T formation

    Quote Originally Posted by Docman5 View Post
    Looking at the offensive stats, we did quite well! Only 3 punts, no interceptions! When playing a good opponent, a team can't be 100%. We lost because our defense could not make Texas Tech punt 3 times! If we could have made them punt three times, they would have scored 21 less points! I know, I know one can't extrapolate and get us a win but just think what could have been if we could only have made them punt some at least! That said, TT was almost 100% on offense; so, we got beat.
    I believe one should consider what you dicussed and more.

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    Re: T formation

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogsince65 View Post
    we call it venting-- folks who know me expect me to be grouchy old man often-- something about your post came thru as being "brainstorming" and not really an opinion just having fun with an idea. I think I get it....
    Well consider that if we complete 20 of 30 passes. Every time we call a pass play there is a 30% chance of no gain. Now if we look at every run play and only say 3 of 30 were for no gain and the average was say 7 yards, then isn't it wise to be very careful where we place those pass plays in our set of four downs. Who among us would ever pass or punt if we were guaranteed 3 measly yards per carry? Who among us would ever run the ball if we were guaranteed a completion on every attempt? I believe folks often confuse production, we must consider yards per pass attempt not only yards per completion, because those may only come about 30% of the time in the passing game. I'm just saying maybe we should consider more of the statistics that have available.

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