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    Tech's TD success rates

    There's been a lot of discussion about Higgins, JMar, Holtz, playcalling, etc. But I was interested in our rate of success from each down. That is, given a random position on the field, what's the chance that we score on that play. We'd obviously expect it to be higher the closer we are to the goal line. And how is that affected by our discussion of redzone woes?

    This data doesn't include SC St for some reason (I'm using a scraper that looks at NCAA.com, which doesn't have a play-by-play for that game), but thats ok because theorectically we should be able to discard data from FCS games. I'm also not worried about numbers being off here or there because I think the overall picture remains the same.



    We pass way more than we run according to the data I have. Despite that (or perhaps because of it) we have a much higher success rate of running the ball. This is also affected by the small amount of data, since it's only Week 4 (we've played fewer than 250 action downs).

    Based on this chart, if we continue to run the same relative passing and running styles, there is no reason to ever pass inside the 10. If the ball spot is on the 10 yard line, we have a 14% chance of throwing a TD, and a 30% of running it in.

    Of course, this chart doesn't mean that we should run every down. Youve got clock management and personnel to consider. But we are having much better success rushing in the RZ (26% vs 13%) than we are passing. Also, you never know. Higgins could come out Saturday and throw 10 TDs from the 3. But based on this, I don't think that touchdown attempts inside the RZ are our best bet longterm. We shall see.

    Thoughts?

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    Re: Tech's TD success rates

    I agree with it.

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    Re: Tech's TD success rates

    It depends on the defense you are going up against too. Rush is more likely to work against SC State and Texas Tech than Arkansas and MT. (and how well you can handle the hand off).

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    Re: Tech's TD success rates

    Good data. MTSU's run defense should not have been better than Texas Tech's. Our play calling just didn't include enough running to wear them down.

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    Re: Tech's TD success rates

    Looks like we don't pass inside about the 5. That skews the statistic a little bit.

    However, We have 0% success passing inside the 9.

    We should run the ball from the 9 going in.

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    Re: Tech's TD success rates

    Quote Originally Posted by LATechBanjo View Post
    Looks like we don't pass inside about the 5. That skews the statistic a little bit.

    However, We have 0% success passing inside the 9.

    We should run the ball from the 9 going in.
    That's my take-away as well. Most coaches aren't going to pass inside the 5, because why wouldn't you? We just have more success running.

    At some point I'll look at actual gain vs spot and type. Last year I did down conversion % and that was interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearpaw View Post
    Good data. MTSU's run defense should not have been better than Texas Tech's. Our play calling just didn't include enough running to wear them down.
    The box score shows we had 37 rushes and 59 passes. Doesn't seem like we ran that much though.

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    Re: Tech's TD success rates

    Quote Originally Posted by T1 View Post
    The box score shows we had 37 rushes and 59 passes. Doesn't seem like we ran that much though.
    But how many of those "rushes" were sacks and "fumble-fall" on it? Should bring our rushing total down a bit.

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    Re: Tech's TD success rates

    We were running a lot until this happened:

    We had scored to make it 27-7 to open the 3rd Quarter (We had 29 carries at this point for 91 yards)... about 3 yards a carry.

    Then MT scored to make it 27-14

    Then we threw an incomplete pass, Craft ran for 9 on 2nd and 10, and Higgins was stuffed for no gain on 3rd and 1 and we punted. (If he gets that, I bet we have a bunch more run plays, but....)

    Middle Tennessee scored again to make it 27-17 and we didn't run much after that. Just 8 more carries (2 were sacks). 2 others were McKnight from 3 yards out for a TD. (34-31). After that we only had 1:46 to win the game so running wasn't much of an option, but Higgins did run a draw play for 3 yards.

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    Re: Tech's TD success rates

    We abandoned the run game after the opening long drive of the second half where we went big and basically ran it down their throats. We should have stuck with that the rest of the second half and we win going away. This game was eerily similar of some Dykes games where we were up but snapping the ball with 25 seconds on the play clock, running wide open offense and not playing smart.

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    Re: Tech's TD success rates

    Quote Originally Posted by Gooddawg View Post
    We abandoned the run game after the opening long drive of the second half where we went big and basically ran it down their throats. We should have stuck with that the rest of the second half and we win going away. This game was eerily similar of some Dykes games where we were up but snapping the ball with 25 seconds on the play clock, running wide open offense and not playing smart.
    I think we would have if we would have got that 3rd and 1. That's when the wheels started falling off.

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    Re: Tech's TD success rates

    I agree but we could have picked it up after they closed to 27-14 or 27-17 or 27-24 even. We gave up 21 points in the fourth quarter and no way they have enough time to do that if we run the ball more and we were having success when we went big. Our OL is not good enough to get it done with just 5 but put a TE and FB or just TE and we were tough to stop when we ran.

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    Re: Tech's TD success rates

    Quote Originally Posted by T1 View Post
    We were running a lot until this happened:

    We had scored to make it 27-7 to open the 3rd Quarter (We had 29 carries at this point for 91 yards)... about 3 yards a carry.

    Then MT scored to make it 27-14

    Then we threw an incomplete pass, Craft ran for 9 on 2nd and 10, and Higgins was stuffed for no gain on 3rd and 1 and we punted. (If he gets that, I bet we have a bunch more run plays, but....)

    Middle Tennessee scored again to make it 27-17 and we didn't run much after that. Just 8 more carries (2 were sacks). 2 others were McKnight from 3 yards out for a TD. (34-31). After that we only had 1:46 to win the game so running wasn't much of an option, but Higgins did run a draw play for 3 yards.

    So HCSH was in panic mode after the 3rd and 1...interesting and I agree.

    It's much easier to simplify it by heaping praise on our poor decision making 5th year QB and blame the defense for the allowing 38 points (which we should have been able to top easily).

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    Re: Tech's TD success rates

    This was the 4 drives after we missed the 3rd and 1

    6 yard completion
    13 yard completion
    8 yard completion
    4 yard completion
    6 yard completion
    2nd and 4: Sack -5 yards (this could be argued we should have run the ball)
    3rd and 9: Incomplete
    Punt

    MT scores (27-24, Tech)
    1st 10: Incomplete (perhaps run?)
    2nd 10: Craft for 4 yards
    3rd 6: False start
    3rd 11: gotta pass here (Higgins whiffs and drops the ball for -7 yards)
    4th 18: Punt

    The next 2 drives were good. (82 and 60)

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    Re: Tech's TD success rates

    always been the issue with spread offense-- lot different covering 10 yard plus and end zone than covering entire field-- don't have to worry that you can get beat deep. I liked those formations that we used for 3 td runs and first downs at MT.

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